Tanit
06-22-2010, 17:11
Hello all and welcome to the thread where we can discuss the possibility of a far east sub-mod to Europa Barbarorum 2, representing the lands from Baktria to the Pacific Ocean. As the mod itself is not out yet there is only so much we can discuss, such as potential provinces, factions, units, cultures, etc.. I am privy to certain new EB2 information, but logically I cannot divulge such information until permitted or until the mod itself is released. My purpose in this endeavor is to act as a motivator to encourage development and I will occasionally offer historical information when I am on very short breaks from the long list of things I need to do for EB2.
To Begin. For a mod name my current proposal, and this is all completely open to criticism and change, is Europa Barbarorum 2: Anatolas, which is a Greek word for Eastwards. As we still have Greeks on the map I feel this provides a connection with EB2 proper. I also propose we keep the same start date as EB1, 272 BC, as it simplifies things a great deal and is also a decent date for Eastern studies.
Some other attempts: I suggest checking out http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27200 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?48543-ZHAN-GUO-Mod-Warring-States-in-China/page8on the early warring states period (480 BC), and this mod, http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=264 set in three kingdoms period 190 AD. Both are a little off our time period, but its a good start. Another mod of similar focus is https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?94001-Asia-ton-Barbaron-disscusion-thread Asia ton Barbaron, from Greece to the far side of India in the 260s BC. The last important place to look for information and potential helpers is the Chinese History Forums, http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showforum=30, which are fairly active and almost all in English luckily enough.
Factions: (Just proposed)
Sinitic: Qin, Zhao, Chu, Yan, Qi, Wei(Liang), Han, Lu
Yue: Minyue, Zangke, Dian, Van Lang, Au Viet
North Asian: Joseon, Jin, Wa
Nomad: Xiong Nu, Tung-hu, Yuezhi, Asman, Saka Rauka, Mazakata
East Hellenic: Baktria
Indian: Maurya, Pandya, Cholas, Chera, Kalinga, Anuradhapura, Gandhara
Cut Factions and Why:
Arche Seleukeia: Not enough on the map
Pahlava: Not enough on the map, and their interests are too western for accurate representation
Khotan: Not founded, even mythically, for a few decades yet
Satavahana: Not founded until 230 BC by revolters following the death of Ashoka
Dwipantara: Javan Kingdom, not enough info, not clearly in the time frame, requires the map to go too far south to be worth it
Zapotec, Pre-Classic Maya, Chavin: Having a small chunk of central and south America in the map would have looked ridiculous, felt ridiculous, removed useful faction and province slots
Zhangzhung: Cultural Tibetan group. Not organized enough to qualify as faction until much much later.
Map: (A little distorted)
https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8752/atb2blank.jpg (https://img4.imageshack.us/i/atb2blank.jpg/)
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Provinces:
Units:
What this mod needs:
Historians (India, Steppe, China, Vietnam, Japan, Korea, Baktria)
modelers (eventually)
Skinners (eventually)
Mapper (eventually)
Coders/Scripters/Traiters (eventually)
Chinese Language consultant
To Begin. For a mod name my current proposal, and this is all completely open to criticism and change, is Europa Barbarorum 2: Anatolas, which is a Greek word for Eastwards. As we still have Greeks on the map I feel this provides a connection with EB2 proper. I also propose we keep the same start date as EB1, 272 BC, as it simplifies things a great deal and is also a decent date for Eastern studies.
Some other attempts: I suggest checking out http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27200 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?48543-ZHAN-GUO-Mod-Warring-States-in-China/page8on the early warring states period (480 BC), and this mod, http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=264 set in three kingdoms period 190 AD. Both are a little off our time period, but its a good start. Another mod of similar focus is https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?94001-Asia-ton-Barbaron-disscusion-thread Asia ton Barbaron, from Greece to the far side of India in the 260s BC. The last important place to look for information and potential helpers is the Chinese History Forums, http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showforum=30, which are fairly active and almost all in English luckily enough.
Factions: (Just proposed)
Sinitic: Qin, Zhao, Chu, Yan, Qi, Wei(Liang), Han, Lu
Yue: Minyue, Zangke, Dian, Van Lang, Au Viet
North Asian: Joseon, Jin, Wa
Nomad: Xiong Nu, Tung-hu, Yuezhi, Asman, Saka Rauka, Mazakata
East Hellenic: Baktria
Indian: Maurya, Pandya, Cholas, Chera, Kalinga, Anuradhapura, Gandhara
Cut Factions and Why:
Arche Seleukeia: Not enough on the map
Pahlava: Not enough on the map, and their interests are too western for accurate representation
Khotan: Not founded, even mythically, for a few decades yet
Satavahana: Not founded until 230 BC by revolters following the death of Ashoka
Dwipantara: Javan Kingdom, not enough info, not clearly in the time frame, requires the map to go too far south to be worth it
Zapotec, Pre-Classic Maya, Chavin: Having a small chunk of central and south America in the map would have looked ridiculous, felt ridiculous, removed useful faction and province slots
Zhangzhung: Cultural Tibetan group. Not organized enough to qualify as faction until much much later.
Map: (A little distorted)
https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8752/atb2blank.jpg (https://img4.imageshack.us/i/atb2blank.jpg/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (https://imageshack.us)
Provinces:
Units:
What this mod needs:
Historians (India, Steppe, China, Vietnam, Japan, Korea, Baktria)
modelers (eventually)
Skinners (eventually)
Mapper (eventually)
Coders/Scripters/Traiters (eventually)
Chinese Language consultant