Naming names

[Anssi Hakkinen]

It has recently come to my attention that there is some amount of unclarity as to what exactly is "allowed" at the Sword Dojo and what is not - and this unclarity has affected the staff as much as the patrons. To enable us to continue, I felt we need to establish something like a reference.

Now, as you (should) know, the "no names" rule is in effect here just as much as at the Community Forum. This is a result of several very nasty flame wars that ensued when people accused one-or-the-other of cheating and the accusee lost his or her temper in a rather spectacular fashion. The purpose of the Dojo is to act as a medium of friendly and peaceful discourse. Thus, any flame wars that are to be had should be fought somewhere else than here.

The "unclarity" I mentioned earlier was caused by a somewhat new problem that has recently surfaced - clan infiltrations, which is about a person either "hacking" a clan's password (one way or another) or pretending to be a newbie wanting to get recruited or something. Now, this is not strictly cheating - therefore some assumed that posting the names of these infiltrators would be OK. Even I was confused about this for a while.

But it is not. It is exactly the same thing as posting the names of cheaters, and has the exact same (if not greater) potential to lead to flame wars and other assorted unnastiness. Therefore, if and when the "no names" rule is in force, posting infiltrator names is forbidden.

However, if a daimyô feels there is an unwanted member in their clan, he is the sole judge of that. Furthermore, if he feels that the Sword Dojo is the only way he can get his message heard, he may post an infiltrator warning here, state that there are unwanted people using his clan ID - and post a valid list of real members. That way, everyone will know that anyone with another name than those on the list is the infiltrator, and the purpose is served. However, there is no need to bash the name of the infiltrator him/herself, at least not here. Resolve your grievances via e-mail or at your clan forum or wherever. And no, cries for CD-key banning are not going to reach EA through here either, e-mail them too.

In the hope that people actually read this, I am now re-opening those two threads that originally caused this debacle. The names there have already been removed - please do not post them anymore, this time they will definitely be deleted.

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"7. Chugo: devotion, loyalty."

[Catiline]

THanks for the clarification Anssi-san. Heed this people. It far better preserves the atmosphere of the dojo than my ad hoc ruling which is of course superseded.

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Unless the Persians fly away like birds, hide in the earth like mice, or leap into a lake like frogs, they will never see their homes again, but will die under our arrows

[Asakura Lord]

Thanks Anssi-san. I hope people heed to this. I don't come to the forum to listen to people whining about another player. That is why you have a clan website ( well for those that do )

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Asakura Lord (Daimyo of Clan of the Sword)
Honour to the Clan!

[Shiro]

Well written and quite clear. Thanks!

[Kraellin]

thank you, anssi,

one of the reasons i've always liked it here at the sword dojo is that there arent massive flame wars going on. i can go just about anywhere for that if i want it. i think your policy is quite sane and just; there is enough enturbulation around the web without promoting it further in here.

K.

[Koga No Goshi]

Annssi,

I'm relatively new in general, is it okay to mention people's names in a friendly manner? Like saying "oh I played such a good game with so-and-so last weekend"? Cause I know I've done that several times and if broke the rules I didn't mean to. :X



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Goshi of Koga
Now we disappear,
Well, what must we think of it?
From the sky we came.
Now we may go back again.
That's at least one point of view.
-Hojo Ujimasa's seppekku poem.

[Catiline]

THat would be fine. What we're trying to avoid is people throwing around accusations. THis way that can't happen, no names in htat sort of context. Saying you played x and had a good game won't be a problem, though saying y is crap would be.

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Unless the Persians fly away like birds, hide in the earth like mice, or leap into a lake like frogs, they will never see their homes again, but will die under our arrows

[solypsist]

this is the kind of post i won't miss once i'm gone; get the Copy function ready for the slew of newbies who who are going to be responsible for repetitive rules-posting (and demanding explanations) once the expansion is released. multiply the kind of posts Ratta has been doing by one hundred.
you can have it.

adios
Soly

[Kurando]

Take care in the Big Apple soly + Ratta's not a bad guy, but I know what you are saying about people posting stuff and then wanting explainations. The moderators at .com have it much worse though; they can even close a thread without it becoming a Federal Case...

[Brown Wolf]

With all of these naming topics i feel we are playing the name game

lol

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"Now is not the time to be lazy"

[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

OK in all fairness, would you please delete the name that Soly used in his post....

The point could have been made without naming names, correct?

[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

OK in all fairness , i am a bit pissed off by Soly's post, my latin blood boiling up.

Ratta is my Daimyo and I KNOW that he meant to do good, he is positive and very respectfull person.

OK he broke a rule but then apologised for a transgression that he was not aware of. Now he is aware and Anssi took the time to explain it again for everyone. What's so bad about that.

Soly, I can understand the point you we're making ( about "newbies" to the forum not respecting the rules, like the no-names rule, being a pain to you).

But then a couple of sentences later you break the same rule by NAMING someone as a bad example, in a derogative way....Cheap shot...not an honorable action at all...

Hey if you are sick and tired of all this it's Okay, take a break. But C'mon, no double-standards, what's good for a guy with 25 posts is also good for everyone, no matter how many posts he has under his belt, no matter how much we respect, appreciate him and will miss him here at the org.

Kuma



[This message has been edited by KumaRatta Yamamoto (edited 06-22-2001).]

[SlyClone2k]

Good to see that the Community is still plagued with the same problems that it was 6 months ago.
Oh did I say good? I meant shame.

[Ratta Yamamoto]

Thank you, both Kurando and my loyal emissarry, Kuma, for defending me. I really appreciate it.
To Soly, please understand that I didn't mean to cause problems. As I've said many times that all I'm doing is to try to help the community, which I truely respect and want to see it runs as smoothly as it can. English is not my first language, although I speak it fluently, some times I get the message wrong when reading it.
Anway, the posts I've made about 'intruder' is WORKING! He has replied me in a very nice way. I have given him my e-mail address and told him that if he need any advise he can mail me. So hopefully, this will help to stop 'intruder' action, and may even turn him to a honourable samurai. There is good in everyone, and if he wants to become good we should always give him the chance, no matter how bad he was.

Ratta Yamamoto
(Daimyo of Ratta Clan) www.rattaclan.homestead.com (http://www.rattaclan.homestead.com)

[Anssi Hakkinen]

All I wanted to say was that this is not about the names themselves, it is about being friendly and virtuous in your behavior and respecting the peace here. The guiding light should be common sense, not the letter of the law.

And, for the record, I have no problem with Ratta-san: notwithstanding the fact that we were all more or less confused about what is permissible and what is not, he is guilty of no wrongdoing, and a good poster (and, I'm sure, a good player) otherwise.

Soly-sama is probably right about the newbies, though. But we'll deal with that as it comes along... I honestly believe that there isn't much of anything that could bring the Org down after all the storms we've withstood already.

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"Bushidô: Bu - war; Shi - nobility; Dô - the Way."

[solypsist]

I can mention as many names as I want, just as long as they're not about players whom I'm trying to slander. Simply referencing a few posts written by someone is in a different context and...well, nevermind, kiddies.
What I was referring to when I mentioned some of the threads here (and one person in particular) was the sheer inanity of their subjects, the sort of thing that has me rolling my eyes every time I see a subject heading that's been gone over so many times or questioning what seems to to be good common sense. So what I said (within my own particulr idiom) to Anssi and the other vets was simply, "I feel sorry for you for having to do a sometimes grinding job. But keep up the good work! You have more patience than I."
Those people who know me will understand I'm not being sarcastic, but am somewhat glad I'll be away to miss what would otherwise be a very trying time for myself as a user on here.
Huzzah!

(as an aside, maybe the Admins could put together a Newbie Dojo with the description: "new to the game? go here!" so that the same ten or so threads can continue in perpetuity and hopefully help alleviate some of the problems that are going to arise once the Warlords hits.)




[This message has been edited by solypsist (edited 06-22-2001).]