A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising | NORTH BANK [Concluded]

[Subotan]

Now that you've found yourself on the the North Side of the river, you may wish to lynch someone; as there may be Whites amongst your ranks still. As mentioned before, no communication is allowed between you and the others.


North Side Alive: 9/9
autolycus
wideeyed
AVSM
M3YUZ
Nictel
Split
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic

South Side Alive: 14/40

ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
miotas
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
YLC

Lynched players 6/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax

Killed Players 9/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis

Devoured by Rats - 2

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu

[landlubber]

So, Comrades, what next?

[Askthepizzaguy]

In my opinion we should refrain from lynching anyone until we rejoin the group. We should direct all our efforts to rejoining the main group.

If there have been infiltrators caught with us on this side, then they may have the advantage, and may be able to more easily destroy us by the vote. We also don't have that many people remaining to do night actions, so we need every man to do their duty at night without exception.

AVSM
M3YUZ
Split

These folks might be inactive. It is frankly amazing they haven't been WOGged yet. The rest of us should do protective actions on autolycus.

wideeyed
Nictel
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic

These folks should protect Auto.

Do you have any powers to investigate, Auto?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Speaking of Autolycus


Which side of the bridge is he even on, Subotan? You have him listed as both.

[Subotan]

Whoops, North.

[Subotan]

Splitpersonality should have internet access back soon, and I shall try to contact AVSM and M3YUZ IRL to get them to vote today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Me myself, I am personally shocked and appalled that AVSM isn't voting. That's so unlike him. :laugh4:

[autolycus]

I agree with Comrade pizzaguy. If we are allowed to refrain from lynching today, we should do so. I'm no investigator, I'm a blocker. Hopefully, we can reunite with our comrades with no losses and two new strong cliques. I'm not sure about the plan of having everyone protect me. I must consider that further. I will send out protection instructions tonight. Deviation from them will be frowned upon.

[Splitpersonality]

Subo did indeed contact me and it was agreed upon that I would return to the game, and here I am.


Can anyone, quickly and concisely explain to me what's gone on, beyond the fact that we are now separated?

[wideyedwanderer]

I understand we aren't allowed to communicate with anyone on the other side of the river, so does that mean we are also not allowed to view the thread?

[Subotan]

To repeat what I said to them about this thread,


It would be better if you didn't :P

[Subotan]

Since I was incredibly busy today, I don;t have time to write a second write-up (Especially considering nothing happened...), and I'll post what I said in that thread over here:

I have been incredibly busy today, and after deadline announcement, I had once again to leave my computer, hence the shamefully late & short update.. Tomorrow, I will once again be stretched for time, with only a 2 and a half hour slot available for me between playing Tuba in my band. Unless anyone has any terrible objections, the deadline for this night phase will be 12:00 GMT+1 on SUNDAY, to account for a lie-in which I shall sorely need the day after tomorrow.

[Romanic]

Brilliant idea to use a flamethrower on a rope bridge! :laugh4:

So now we're stuck on this side of the river, with allegedly GH's best lynch candidates. I may agree to no lynch today, but we will have to do something tomorrow if we start losing people.

[A Very Super Market]

Me myself, I am personally shocked and appalled that AVSM isn't voting. That's so unlike him. :laugh4:

Never fear, AVSM always returns at opportune moments in order to save himself from WoG.

Now, who needs protection?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Never fear, AVSM always returns at opportune moments in order to save himself from WoG.

"Always"??? :inquisitive:

[wideyedwanderer]

Brilliant idea to use a flamethrower on a rope bridge! :laugh4:

So now we're stuck on this side of the river, with allegedly GH's best lynch candidates. I may agree to no lynch today, but we will have to do something tomorrow if we start losing people.

I would think that with only 9 people here on this side of the river that any killer would have to be stupid to kill now. The killer runs a much higher risk of being caught with fewer people.

Who are these "best lynch candidates?" Before we split from the rest of the group I believe comrade Renata had suspicions of Askthepizzaguy.

[DELETE_THIS]

So what do we do now? Yes concentrate on the assault, but with what?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's entirely possible we have some investigator among us. If we do defenses, no lynches, roleblock, and investigate, then we will systematically find the traitors among us or force them to expose themselves.

IMO this being on this side of the bridge is temporary. We just need to survive until then, as proactively as we can.

edit-
Of course, we do have two lynches now. We might consider voting on whether we should use the lynch or not.

[landlubber]

I'm a little uneasy about lynching. Just because we have so little numbers and no conclusive evidence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On the other hand it is merely an illusion that we have fewer numbers. It's the same numbers, just placed in separate "boxes". We haven't lost anyone, they are all alive and well on the other bank. Assuming auto has been investigated that means we have a 1/8 chance of lynching mafia if there is one here, and a 1/4 chance if there are two here. Those are pretty decent odds.

Sorry, just thinking out loud. Well it is already night so we can't do anything until morning anyway. Tonight's events might give us an idea which path is best.

[Subotan]

It was a dark miserable morning, and autolycus had been enduring a long, distressing sleep. He woke to the rain filtering in through the tears in his tent’s fabric, and he wasted no time in getting up and prepare to assemble the rest of PEXDET on the North Bank. He shouted out to the other tents that it was time to wake up, and eventually, they one by one, crawled out of their tents and staggered towards the meeting point. The survivors told the others of the shocking events of last night

“I had an awful sleep last night, how about you?”

“Oh yeah, it was abysmal. Rain, thunder, and lightning, I couldn't tell if we were under attack or not!”

“Me too. But I had a dream last night!”

“Really? Wow, what about?”

“I don’t remember much, but it was really calm and serene. I was lying back on a beach in Hainan, sipping a rice wine cocktail and just enjoying the better things in life...”

It so happened that not one single member of PEXDET had been killed that night; on the North Bank anyway. autolycus was absolutely stunned

“So, we all survived? Wow, that’s fantastic!”

The Comrades grinned at their apparent leader

What good news for us. Either all the Imperialists are dead, or they’re all trapped on the South Bank. All thanks to my leadership, I might add” said the Chairman, with a puffed out chest.

The Communists looked at each other quizzically, but they shrugged it off, and continued their trudge along the road in the heavy rain, with maybe a spot of Revolutionary zeal.

North Side Alive: 9/9
autolycus
wideeyed
AVSM
M3YUZ
Nictel
Split
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic

South Side Alive: ?

Lynched players 7/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax

Killed Players 9/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis

Devoured by Rats - 2

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu

Once again, apologies for the terrible delay, and for the cliché introductory phrase. This phase shall end in approximately 23 hours at 22:00 GMT+1

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: M3YUZ

To check his pulse.

[autolycus]

Well, that worked out quite well, if I do say so myself. It is regrettable that our comrades on the Southern Bank are trapped with all of the capitalist and imperialist scum. I made some mistakes with respect to protection scheme last night, but I will rectify them tonight, so that when we reunite with the others, we will at least be close to having strong cliques to aid them in rooting out our enemies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, that worked out quite well, if I do say so myself. It is regrettable that our comrades on the Southern Bank are trapped with all of the capitalist and imperialist scum. I made some mistakes with respect to protection scheme last night, but I will rectify them tonight, so that when we reunite with the others, we will at least be close to having strong cliques to aid them in rooting out our enemies.

What happened? The order I got, and my designated group's actions didn't match up.

[autolycus]

A friend of mine was getting married this weekend, so I was rushed and accidentally included one of the six other actives in both protection groups and one in neither.

[Subotan]

Due to unforeseeable occurrences in the South Bank thread, I have been required to extend this day phase by 24 hours. And No Lynch/Abstain are not allowed this phase.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay well unless you guys are cool with M3YUZ dying because he's inactive, I'd prod you to entertain some more productive suggestions.

I'd consider a M3YUZ lynch the equivalent of a No Lynch at this point because we aren't losing anyone, really.

[Splitpersonality]

I am unsure as to whether or not he is mafia per se, but he is an inactive (lol I'm a hypocrite).

:/

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am unsure as to whether or not he is mafia per se, but he is an inactive (lol I'm a hypocrite).

:/

It's good to have you back. I thought I would have to get rid of all these danged "communists" all by myself, Colonel. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/salute.gif



edit: There's no salute smiley. Why?

edit edit: I am forced to use a CFC smiley face. Are you happy, The .ORG?

[autolycus]

We seem to be short on food, so one must be sacrificed for the greater good (OOC: Why else would we start lynching when no one died). I think this is the best way that vote:M3YUZ can serve PEXDET.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We seem to be short on food, so one must be sacrificed for the greater good (OOC: Why else would we start lynching when no one died). I think this is the best way that vote:M3YUZ can serve PEXDET.

Yeah.

I'm a little concerned about the total lack of discussion between anyone other than you and me, autolycus. Could you send out night orders now, so peeps have time to read it and send in their orders?

Also, we're resorting to cannibalism rather quick, aren't we? Are you people diabetic or something? :clown:

[autolycus]

I didn't mean cannibalism, I meant there's enough food for 8 of us, not 9.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't mean cannibalism, I meant there's enough food for 8 of us, not 9.

Waste not, want not.

[Splitpersonality]

Waste not, want not.

Only if we distribute his remains equally amongst the men :wink:

[wideyedwanderer]

Very well then. Vote: M3YUZ

[landlubber]

Well, I suppose this is the best course of action...
Vote: M3YUZ

[Subotan]

Autolycus gathered the members of PEXDET together. Although they were separated, alone, and hungry, it was clear to them who was to blame; M3YUZ. As the long list of his crimes was read out, M3YUZ didn't say a peep, and seemed to be dreaming about aeroplanes.

"...as well as remaining silent this entire time. What do you have to say for yourself?" questioned autolycus

"..."

"Fine then."autolycus muttered with a sneer, as he pulled his Officer allocated pistol out of his holster and shot M3YUZ in the chest. M3YUZ did let out an "Oof" of surprise, but he did not scream, moan or wail, as his blood leaked out onto the muddy road. This unusual behaviour greatly unnerved the survivors on the North Bank.

"That was weird" said autolycus, after M3YUZ had died. "I hate it when they're weird. It makes for such an unsettling sleep the night after."


North Side Alive: 8/9
autolycus
wideeyed
AVSM
Nictel
Split
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic

Lynched players 6/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
M3YUZ

Killed Players 9/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis

Devoured by Rats - 2

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu

Deadline is in 22 hours, at 22:00 GMT +1.

[Subotan]

autolycus once again assembled the soldiers on the North Side of the Nuqi River to find that, once again, nobody had died during the night.

"I'm really happy. We're either incredibly lucky" announced autolycus to the sprightly Communists "Or we've got an incredibly cowardly mafia faction. Either way, it's good for all of us, and least in the short term. But we're still going to lynch someone today, because that's what the Chairman would want. "

With the rain still lashing down around them, the North Side survivors packed up their tents and equipment, and trod along the muddy paths towards the Wenti Bridge. They expected to reach by the end of the day, and they were confident that the following day, that they could mount an attack against the Kuomintang Fortress, provided there was one there.

North Side Alive: 8/9
autolycus
wideeyed
AVSM
Nictel
Split
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic

South Side Alive - ?

Lynched players 6/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
M3YUZ

Killed Players 9/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis

Devoured by Rats - 2

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu

Deadline is in 36 hours, at 22:00 GMT +1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay. Did everyone send in correct orders this time? Obviously AVSM did not, but.... Anything else firm to report, Autolycus?

AVSM could be a default lynch because he's not protecting anyone at all, and he's not voting. If you want to do a "No Lynch" that's the one to lynch. However, just from scanning this thread alone:


So, Comrades, what next?

No new contributions.


I'm a little uneasy about lynching. Just because we have so little numbers and no conclusive evidence.

Echoing one of my own sentiments. No new contributions.


Well, I suppose this is the best course of action...
Vote: M3YUZ

Following the leader, no new contributions.

What's scummier than someone who doesn't protect, doesn't vote, and doesn't discuss? Someone who does, but adds absolutely nothing to our efforts.



vote: landlubber





edit: My 15,000th post..... :balloon:

[landlubber]

Happy 15000th!
Now, back to the game.
If I was mafia, why wouldn't I kill, yet be active in the thread? The mafia may not be killing just because it would be easy to weed them out, but, truthfully, I highly doubt that.
I've cooperated with everyone else the rest of the town the entire game. I don't see how lynching me would be better than lynching an inactive, but sure, you can give it a try and lynch another townie.

[Romanic]

I'm back in this game now.

Last night I didn't send any order, so I wasn't protecting anyone. :embarassed: Didn't matter anyway.

My thoughts about our situation: GeneralHankerchief allegedly put his best suspects on the rope bridge, but it turns out that none of us is (apparently) able to kill at night, nor is the KMT officer around to convert us.

Possibilities are:

1) We're all good communists.
2) We have "powerless" enemies in our ranks, unable to kill/convert, but they could be active. Scanners or who knows what.... Maybe converted KMTs have no power at all.
3) We have a killer, but he chose not to kill, to remain hidden.

I see #3 as a good possibility because we have many inactive members, and it could be easy to pick up who the killer is if he was killing.

Lynching someone in this case does not seem good, or we need to lynch an inactive. Anyone else is a bad decision unless we can come up with a good candidate, but the discussion around here is dead (my fault also).

vote: AVSM

[Askthepizzaguy]

Happy 15000th!

Thank you. :bow:


If I was mafia, why wouldn't I kill, yet be active in the thread?

You tell me.


The mafia may not be killing just because it would be easy to weed them out

You just told me. :tongue2:


, but, truthfully, I highly doubt that.

What reason have you to doubt it? If it is both possible and wise, then it is most likely the case. Do you have evidence that disputes that?


I've cooperated with everyone else the rest of the town the entire game.

If the traitors and infiltrators among us never cooperated, would it not be easier to spot them?


I don't see how lynching me would be better than lynching an inactive, but sure, you can give it a try and lynch another townie.

In my opinion, we can just lynch AVSM and be down by not much. If he's not voting or protecting at night then he's not going to be much use but cover for the enemy. However, he's also unlikely to be the enemy, because if he were he would be trying harder to show himself as helpful and contributory.

In my analysis, someone who is just following orders and continues to do so, and does nothing but follow the leader lynch-wise, is doing his best not to gain the attention of the town communists and look useful at the same time. If we are looking for likely candidates for the enemy, that's a logical place to start. Do you have a different suggestion? Feel free to make one. I'd be curious to hear who your suspects are, presently.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm back in this game now

You've been back for longer than this, nearly three hours. Why are you avoiding this thread?


Last night I didn't send any order, so I wasn't protecting anyone. :embarassed: Didn't matter anyway.

It could have mattered.


My thoughts about our situation: GeneralHankerchief allegedly put his best suspects on the rope bridge, but it turns out that none of us is (apparently) able to kill at night, nor is the KMT officer around to convert us.

Why are you only focusing on the KMT officer?


Possibilities are:

1) We're all good communists.
2) We have "powerless" enemies in our ranks, unable to kill/convert, but they could be active. Scanners or who knows what.... Maybe converted KMTs have no power at all.
3) We have a killer, but he chose not to kill, to remain hidden.

I see #3 as a good possibility because we have many inactive members, and it could be easy to pick up who the killer is if he was killing.

This smells suspiciously like stating the obvious, a nervous habit many people with a guilty conscience employ.


Lynching someone in this case does not seem good, or we need to lynch an inactive.

If there are suspects on this side of the bridge, and we can narrow them down just from our own personal perspective, plus autolycus' roleblock, plus the fact that auto has been scanned (iirc), plus the inactivity/absence of certain players, then we need to narrow it down. That way, when we rejoin the others, it will be much more obvious who among us could be guilty.


Anyone else is a bad decision unless we can come up with a good candidate, but the discussion around here is dead (my fault also).

Hence why I am pressuring people. I need a good lead, and presently I see two.

[Romanic]

You've been back for longer than this, nearly three hours. Why are you avoiding this thread?

Is this a serious question? :laugh4:



Why are you only focusing on the KMT officer?


Hmm. I'm not focusing on the KMT offiicer. So far we heard about enemies able to kill us, and the KMT officer able to convert us. Every other enemy was included in "none of us is (apparently) able to kill".




This smells suspiciously like stating the obvious, a nervous habit many people with a guilty conscience employ.


The only thing on my conscience is my inactivity in the last few days.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is this a serious question? :laugh4:

It's a fair question. This is the largest game that you're alive in, presently, and you responded to other threads. There wasn't much to catch up on here, either.

:shrug: maybe conferring with your mafia traitor buddies caused the delay? Maybe too timid to make an accusation for fear of being suspected. Who knows? But I won't know unless I ask.


Hmm. I'm not focusing on the KMT offiicer. So far we heard about enemies able to kill us, and the KMT officer able to convert us. Every other enemy was included in "none of us is (apparently) able to kill".

The Japanese are unable to convert? When was this made public?


The only thing on my conscience is my inactivity in the last few days.

We'll see.

[Romanic]

It's a fair question. This is the largest game that you're alive in, presently, and you responded to other threads. There wasn't much to catch up on here, either.


There was catchup to do, and there is still is for me. I need to read all the posts since June 30 properly, something that I wasn't able to do with a limited internet access. And I haven't accomplished much in the last 4 hours, all my time not going toward mafia games.

I'm not shy to throw accusations, and I agree that pressuring, like you do, is a good thing, but seriously... Look at who is with us on the north bank. Everyone can claim inactivity as an alibi. At this point everyone is as good as another, except autolycus and you.



The Japanese are unable to convert? When was this made public?


It was never made public, but let me know if you can find a convertion attempt from the Japanese in any writeup. I'm assuming that they cannot, even if we've seen signs that they could be able to from one of the writeup. I pointed this out in the other thread already, and many times I suggested that only the KMT are possibly able to recruit. That's not a new point of view for me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want everyone to be on record with at least two suspects. We just did Pick Your Power, and one thing I believe worked well was when I asked people to come up with suspects independent of any leadership role having a say in it. The objective was to force people to accuse, which means the scums had to accuse innocent people, or each other, neither of which is a comfortable position to be in. On principle I think this is good for us, to be on record as having accused someone, because that forces people into a position that is difficult to back away from.

Here, the traitor will vote for an innocent party, and the innocent party will notice and possibly put pressure on them. You might have a shot at generating some discomfort for the traitors that way. It is much easier to be evil when you don't have to answer to anyone or go out on a limb.

Any support for this idea?

[Romanic]

@ATPG: AVSM and Nictel would be my two suspects, in that order.

Reason: inactivity for both. We haven't seen a kill for 2 nights since we got separated, so I don't see any reason to lynch anybody but inactive soldiers.

Granted that this situation doesn't mean there's no enemy in our remaining 8 (there could be non killer roles, both KMT or Japanese), but at the same time it reinforces the idea that most of us, if not all, are good communists. We'll need our active members when we regroup with the Chairman.

[Askthepizzaguy]

consistent, consistent. landlubber, wideyed, Split, Nictel, you're up. Who is guilty?

[Splitpersonality]

I'm used to AVSM being a lurker, but it could explain him missing orders if we want to even agree there IS anyone suspicious on this side.


If I have to give two suspects it would be Autolycus, simply because he is the man in power here and that in of itself is suspicious.



If I have to choose another it is landlubber, because he is just either restating what has been said, or stating the obvious.

[autolycus]

I will give my thoughts in a little while, as I think some of what atpg has said about getting people on the record without a leadership role's input has merit.

[wideyedwanderer]

I've been noticing that that's just landlubber's personality to state the obvious and repeat what someone else said. I thought he was suspicious in other games based on things he said, but so far he's always been clean. Not ruling him out of being mafia, but I'm just not buying it unless there is other evidence.

I don't know about AVSM...I don't like the idea of being suspicious of someone just because they aren't around. Is there more to go on?

Nictel, on the other hand, I know he's been on the forums since he's been active in other threads, yet he has been rather quiet since we've been on this side of the bank, no? That is cause for suspicion.

As for my second suspect...I'd have to go with one of the leaders, either Autolycus or Askthepizzaguy, not because I don't trust the leadership, but because as split said, being the guy on top is automatically a reason to be suspicious. I'll go with Askthepizzaguy because he has entered the game relatively recently, we know less about him (has he been scanned?), and he's been very vocal since we've been separated. Autolycus has been around since the beginning, so I'd assume that GH and his leaders have good reason to believe he's clean.

[Romanic]

As for my second suspect...I'd have to go with one of the leaders, either Autolycus or Askthepizzaguy, not because I don't trust the leadership, but because as split said, being the guy on top is automatically a reason to be suspicious. [...]

Where did you get that ATPG is one of our leaders? He sure talks a lot, but he's not an officer, nor was Thermal, the player ATPG replaced.

[wideyedwanderer]

Not officially one of our leaders, but he has taken sort of a leadership role since we've been on this side of the river.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I could always go back to not talking, but there was basically zero discussion then. I've been trying to light a fire under people's hind ends and get them to.... utter.... thoughts.

Thoughts are good.

[wideyedwanderer]

Not that I think there's anything wrong with talking. This has been the most discussion we've had since being on this side of the bank, and it's a lot more interesting (and productive) than not doing anything.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to be pretty busy today with critical RL stuff, so at this point I can't afford to wait any longer. Auto, do we lynch a suspect or an inactive?

I've given landlubber a chance to accuse, he has not, and he makes my "imperialist scum"dar twitch. Alternatively, we can go with AVSM the non-suspect just to spare all the active comrades.

[DELETE_THIS]

Forgot to subscribe.

Also I wonder what we should do now, I agree that I doubt ALL of us are innocent good communists. The chance is there but I think it is indeed small. The problems are all rather obvious.

Unless there are scanners among us we could either start lynching someone each day, hoping to find traitors among us or lynch none and hope that the South has been more successful in finding traitors.
There is still the issue of attacking the fort, I would hate for us to get stabbed in the back.

Even though I haven't been very active myself, AVSM has managed to be even less active than me, perhaps a feat in it self. Now leadership is always a suspicious role, too often have supposed leaders send us to our graves. Look where it has gotten us now; separated and confused.

[landlubber]

I've given landlubber a chance to accuse, he has not, and he makes my "imperialist scum"dar twitch. Alternatively, we can go with AVSM the non-suspect just to spare all the active comrades.

If I had to accuse someone, it would be Vote:AVSM. I think that if we lynch an active player, especially one that is a main contributor to this thread, then we've killed some discussion. Let's not do that.

[autolycus]

Given the small amount of time, I'm going to vote: Romanic. AVSM is not a bad choice, as he hasn't said almost anything, but I blocked him last night, so he can't be blamed for any failure of activity. Romanic failed to follow instructions. I am in the process of gathering more info about both landlubber and atpg, so I would rather we didn't lynch either of them yet. If innocent, they're both too valuable assets to waste.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Romanic

Between AVSM and Romanic, I find Romanic more pressing.

[Splitpersonality]

vote: romanic

to prevent a tie.

I'm sure you guys can change things around if you choose to persue another target.

[Romanic]

Oh well, with 3/8 votes on me on this side of the river and 1 hour to go, I guess it's useless to try defending myself. I'm not a big loss, just a vanilla townie and I have nothing to share. Good luck.

[Subotan]

The Communists still felt obliged to lynch someone for some reason in the fierce thunderstorm, even though they had spent three days without a single kill.

"We have to fight Fire with Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjlgUx7_aN0), boys." announced autolycus with a stern severity "Even when fire has already been attempted" referring to the quaking Romanic and his bridge-jumping exploits.

"I'm a good Communist. Really! I don't know why you're all ganging up on me..."

askthepizzaguy approached Romanic and laid a hand on his shoulder: "We do have a good reason. Just Because." , before drawing his butcher's knife. Romanic stepped back, clearly panicked

"Now now now there's no need to go psychopath on me. I ;m sure we can come to a convienient arrangement where we-"

Just at that moment, a huge lightning bolt blasted the tree Romanic was standing under. Although the thunderbolt left Romanic frazzled, he was otherwise unarmed. But the tree was charred to a crisp, and it's brittle roots has become blackened (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_ggFovJNo)and twisted, and they gave way. The tree crumbled and collapsed, right on top of the screaming Romanic, who was crushed by the falling lumber.

askthepizzaguy tutted, but the others seemed quite glad that ATPG didn't go as psychopathic as Romanic had feared.

North Side Alive: 7/9
autolycus
wideeyed
AVSM
Nictel
Split
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic

South Side Alive - ?

Lynched players 6/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
M3YUZ
Romanic

Killed Players 9/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis

Devoured by Rats - 2

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu

Deadline is in 20 hours, at 22:00 GMT +1.

[autolycus]

Do we have to make any decisions regarding the coming assault on the bridge?

[Subotan]

Nope, I shall arrange all of that myself.

[Romanic]

Subotan, please remove my name from the alive list. I had a woohoo moment when I saw that before realizing that I was also dead. :laugh4:

Good luck guys, be careful with ATPG: He's the only replacement player in this game, so I'd be surprised if he's vanilla. Could easily be Japanese, we haven't found any of them yet. In fact, our officers are bound to have some Japanese in their ranks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's the only replacement player in this game, so I'd be surprised if he's vanilla.

No, I'm not the only replacement player in this game. M3YUZ replaced Methos. I was one of Subotan's few reserve players; most of the other players here had already signed up.

Quote:

I am looking for replacements for the above two players. Contact me if you are interested, or know someone who is.

Those players were Thermal and Wishazu. He couldn't even find a replacement for Wishazu, and those are the only other players (2) that have been WOG'ed or replaced.

[Romanic]

No, I'm not the only replacement player in this game. M3YUZ replaced Methos. I was one of Subotan's few reserve players; most of the other players here had already signed up.


Er, true, but Methos was replaced on Day 1 so I'm not seeing M3YUZ as a replacement.



Those players were Thermal and Wishazu. He couldn't even find a replacement for Wishazu, and those are the only other players (2) that have been WOG'ed or replaced.

I think Subotan would have replaced a role before a vanilla, so that twice the chances for you to be someone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Subotan would have replaced a role before a vanilla, so that twice the chances for you to be someone.

By that logic, M3YUZ must have been someone awfully important to be replaced right away. Let's see what turns up when his results come back.

[Romanic]

By that logic, M3YUZ must have been someone awfully important to be replaced right away. Let's see what turns up when his results come back.

I disagree. Methos asked to be replaced immediately after the game started so it wasn't Subotan's decision. It's not similar to your situation of 2 players being WOGed at the same time, and you replacing one of them. M3YUZ didn't get a chance to replace any of 2 players, but you did.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I disagree. Methos asked to be replaced immediately after the game started so it wasn't Subotan's decision. It's not similar to your situation of 2 players being WOGed at the same time, and you replacing one of them. M3YUZ didn't get a chance to replace any of 2 players, but you did.

None of this has any bearing on whether I have a role or not. If more people had gone inactive, and there had been more replacement players, there would have been more replacements. I was simply the only other reserve player besides M3YUZ, and the only people besides Thermal to drop were Methos and Wishazu.

It is not the case that only power roles get replaced, or else we would simply lynch/murder every replacement player immediately, rendering the whole concept of replacement useless.

[Subotan]

I apologise for the lateness of the current update, and for once it is not due to my laziness. I have spent the entire day preparing for my final concert with my band and playing it, and I have literally just walked in the door.I shall try and get the write-up in for as early as possible tomorrow morning.

[Romanic]

None of this has any bearing on whether I have a role or not. If more people had gone inactive, and there had been more replacement players, there would have been more replacements. I was simply the only other reserve player besides M3YUZ, and the only people besides Thermal to drop were Methos and Wishazu.

It is not the case that only power roles get replaced, or else we would simply lynch/murder every replacement player immediately, rendering the whole concept of replacement useless.

It does have bearing, it's mathematical.

Suppose 1/4 of the players start with a role, everyone has an equal chance to be vanilla (3/4 = 75%), but you coming as a replacement, with 2 replacing options, means that you have less chances to be vanilla (3/4 * 3/4 = 56%).

I'm not saying you're a role, but probability wise, you're better off than anyone else.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And my scum alarms are going off once more. My response to this character assassination is to reveal Romanic's behind the scenes behavior, for your viewing pleasure.






7/9/2010 4:40:14 PM Romanichine why are you voting me anyway?
7/9/2010 4:40:21 PM Romanichine Because I'm dangerous?
7/9/2010 4:41:19 PM ATPG I gave my reasons in-thread. Of all the active players, you and landlubber seem to be active enough, talkative enough, but still giving off scummy vibes
7/9/2010 4:41:26 PM ATPG Though I would prefer landlubber
7/9/2010 4:41:49 PM Romanichine Scummy vibes, bah
7/9/2010 4:42:08 PM Romanichine Go at the workshop and get your scum-o-something fixed
7/9/2010 4:42:14 PM Romanichine :D

Like every guilty party who has ever responded to my accusations (rather than ignore me), Romanic tells me to get my scumdar fixed when I accuse him. This is interesting because he's got no problem with my ability to detect scum any other time, in any other game. The consistent link between the guilty parties is always the route of saying "your case is bad" or "your scumdar needs fixing", etc, whereas townies understand I am not right 100% of the time and cut me a break.


7/9/2010 4:42:20 PM ATPG I believe I proved in the previous game it is working just fine...
7/9/2010 4:42:33 PM ATPG if I'm wrong about you that means I'm still right on 3 of the last 4
7/9/2010 4:43:08 PM Romanichine What last 3?
7/9/2010 4:43:14 PM ATPG pick your power
7/9/2010 4:43:29 PM Romanichine I thought you said to vote for CDF in the thread
7/9/2010 4:43:41 PM ATPG Yeah; he was the vengeful lynchee
7/9/2010 4:43:48 PM ATPG we set it up so he would kill Beskar
7/9/2010 4:43:55 PM Romanichine Ah it was a setup
7/9/2010 4:43:58 PM ATPG it was the only way to get him after Beskar had 2 votes
7/9/2010 4:44:02 PM ATPG and the townies only had 2
7/9/2010 4:44:06 PM ATPG and you were inactive...
7/9/2010 4:44:07 PM ATPG :P
7/9/2010 4:44:15 PM ATPG basically that was a hail mary that worked
7/9/2010 4:44:26 PM ATPG it was awesome
7/9/2010 4:44:27 PM Romanichine Okay, well you'll be 3/4, that's good enough
7/9/2010 4:44:34 PM ATPG still....
7/9/2010 4:45:05 PM ATPG If I wasn't convinced AVSM was going to get WOG'ed soon anyway, I'd vote for him of the two of you. it's just pointless not to try to lynch a suspect at this point
7/9/2010 4:45:19 PM Romanichine I hope you won't regret not having someone who's following the game when we will regroup

Here, Romanic attempts to play the doubt card. Fear, doom, gloom, and doubt. When I was doing my SkyNet analysis of 20 games, one thing was interesting about how the scums played their game. The fact is, roughly half of them resort to fear and doubt based tactics. Not unlike certain recent government administrations. Always arguing from emotion, rather than from the facts and evidence. Why is that? it is because when someone doesn't have the cards, they need to bluff. Bluffing requires convincing your opponent of something by making them misread your emotional state, or by betting heavily on something you should, by all rights, lose. Bluffing takes emotional manipulation and plays upon doubt. That's one of the reasons I don't back down when people start to throw "doubt" mud in my direction. Townies don't do that, at least not very often.

Dire warnings about regretting Romanic's absence, when he's clearly only claiming to be a basic commie, seemed off to me. But I was willing to hear him out. Let's continue.


7/9/2010 4:45:37 PM ATPG the mafia are obviously following the game
7/9/2010 4:45:38 PM ATPG :P
7/9/2010 4:45:50 PM ATPG my suspect list comes from that pool
7/9/2010 4:45:53 PM Romanichine Yeah, but I'm following every game I played
7/9/2010 4:46:10 PM Romanichine except last week of course
7/9/2010 4:46:23 PM ATPG If you die and are proven innocent, then you'll have the credibility to accuse whoever you please.
7/9/2010 4:46:26 PM Romanichine You should know that it's not a good point against me
7/9/2010 4:46:36 PM Romanichine Yeah, three days later
7/9/2010 4:46:47 PM Romanichine people won't listen anyway

Here, I offer Romanic a consolation prize. If he's such an innocent, good communist, then clearly he will jump at my next offer, which is to vote for who he says to vote for. If I am a traitor, that means he can put me into some awkward situations where I lynch my own allies. If I am a good communist, then he still basically has a vote.

But he's not interested in this because he seems to realize that after three days, his opinion isn't going to mean a hill of squat. Why is that I wonder? How curious. So I press the issue.


7/9/2010 4:46:50 PM ATPG I will
7/9/2010 4:47:01 PM ATPG I don't know if you know this but I pay attention to every player
7/9/2010 4:47:12 PM ATPG I'll act as your vote.
7/9/2010 4:47:34 PM Romanichine Great consolation :P
7/9/2010 4:47:46 PM ATPG Well there's just no pleasing you! :(
7/9/2010 4:47:49 PM ATPG :P
7/9/2010 4:48:00 PM Romanichine Oh you can please me, you know how :D
7/9/2010 4:48:10 PM ATPG Care to rephrase that? :lol:
7/9/2010 4:48:19 PM Romanichine lol
7/9/2010 4:49:47 PM Romanichine I'll help you, all you have to do is copy it:
7/9/2010 4:49:48 PM Romanichine unvote; vote: AVSM

Ordinarily, innocent players understand what I am trying to do, which is compensate for the potential loss of an innocent vote by making sure their newfound proven-clean reputation doesn't go to waste. For all intents and purposes, Romanic can become an unkillable lynch vote. Yet he's not even remotely interested. Why is that?

Because he's dead certain no one will listen to him in three days, least of all me. And he's certain of this, why?

At this point I am sensing something askew and the pressure vote becomes a serious vote. Now I want to know what his deal was.


7/9/2010 4:50:13 PM ATPG why didn't you protect anyone last night?
7/9/2010 4:50:32 PM Romanichine Because I didn't have an internet connection
7/9/2010 4:50:52 PM Romanichine I missed my moves in the diplomacy game also, and lost because of it
7/9/2010 4:50:57 PM Romanichine you can verify this
7/9/2010 4:51:17 PM ATPG Well that part anyway.
7/9/2010 4:51:26 PM ATPG It still doesn't help me verify if you're a townie or not
7/9/2010 4:51:38 PM ATPG was the townie role PM ever made public?
7/9/2010 4:51:44 PM ATPG the basic one?
7/9/2010 4:51:54 PM Romanichine Good question, not sure
7/9/2010 4:51:58 PM Romanichine I think so
7/9/2010 4:52:04 PM ATPG just in case, send me the role PM
7/9/2010 4:52:13 PM ATPG if you do it fast enough I may change my vote.
7/9/2010 4:52:13 PM Romanichine Can I do that?
7/9/2010 4:52:18 PM ATPG checking
7/9/2010 4:53:30 PM Romanichine lol there's 5 minutes left,
7/9/2010 4:53:40 PM Romanichine Are you playing with me? :D

A fair question, why wasn't he doing his job?

A fair answer. Okay, I am starting to buy this. Maybe he can reveal and prove his story.


7/9/2010 4:53:41 PM ATPG No
7/9/2010 4:53:43 PM ATPG it is not allowed
7/9/2010 4:53:49 PM ATPG "Although you are allowed to reveal, you are NOT allowed to quote your role PM’s; except for one thing. You may quote the quote that comes with every role PM. And should you be inactive for three phases in a row without informing me, or until I decide that you have been inactive enough, I shall WOG you."
7/9/2010 4:54:05 PM ATPG what is the quote that comes with your role PM
7/9/2010 4:54:14 PM ATPG I will verify if it is authentic
7/9/2010 4:54:24 PM Romanichine Then vote AVSM, he hasn't voted for 5 days and he's still alove
7/9/2010 4:54:37 PM ATPG tick
7/9/2010 4:54:39 PM ATPG tock
7/9/2010 4:54:41 PM Romanichine what you pasted said three days is a wog
7/9/2010 4:54:57 PM ATPG communist quote, plz
7/9/2010 4:55:13 PM Romanichine Bah, I don't knoiw which part I am allowed to quote, Pizza
7/9/2010 4:55:21 PM ATPG the quote at the top of the PM
7/9/2010 4:55:30 PM Romanichine The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. ~ Karl Marx
7/9/2010 4:55:32 PM Romanichine this?
7/9/2010 4:55:35 PM ATPG yes

Unfortunately full role reveals are not allowed in this game. But, I can still find out if his quote is authentic.

So, I ask him to reveal the quote. Look how long it takes him to reveal the quote.

A full minute and a half.


7/9/2010 4:55:41 PM ATPG now let's see how easy that was to google.
7/9/2010 4:55:59 PM Romanichine lol man, it's 1658 here and the phase ends in 2 mins
7/9/2010 4:56:25 PM Romanichine You think I'm having time to Google stuff?
7/9/2010 4:56:36 PM ATPG the very first result on google.
7/9/2010 4:56:41 PM ATPG page 2 of that result.
7/9/2010 4:56:44 PM ATPG Is your quote.
7/9/2010 4:57:00 PM ATPG http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/k/karl_marx.html
7/9/2010 4:57:02 PM ATPG page 2
7/9/2010 4:57:07 PM ATPG it took me 5 seconds to find
7/9/2010 4:57:22 PM ATPG I was hoping it was something a bit harder to fake.

My point:

It takes him a full minute and 30 seconds to come up with a quote which should take 5 seconds. Open your mailbox, read the PM you got from Subotan. It is that blatantly simple.

Meanwhile, the quote he finds is one I found in 5 seconds just by Googling "Karl Marx quotes".

Literally. And, it's also the first name you think of when you think of Communists. Kind of obvious, don't you think?


7/9/2010 4:57:33 PM ATPG Also, Marx is a bit straightforward.
7/9/2010 4:58:05 PM Romanichine Hmm, what did you use as search parameters?
7/9/2010 4:58:22 PM ATPG Google: Karl Marx quotes
7/9/2010 4:58:25 PM Romanichine From what you wrote, I don't see what I could have used to find it in 5 secs
7/9/2010 4:58:25 PM ATPG top result
7/9/2010 4:58:40 PM ATPG Mine is a Chinese quote.
7/9/2010 4:58:46 PM Romanichine Yeah, except that you never mentionned Karl Marx when asking me about a quote
7/9/2010 4:58:48 PM Romanichine or did you?
7/9/2010 4:59:06 PM ATPG That's not the point.

Here, I point out how easy it was to find in a few seconds. The extra minute is probably for reading his actual role PM and realizing he has to add the little ~ mark to make it look authentic.


7/9/2010 4:59:15 PM Romanichine ah we don't all have the same quotes
7/9/2010 4:59:30 PM ATPG (Communist quote deleted)
7/9/2010 4:59:36 PM Romanichine Bah, leave me alone now, I'm lynched, it's done
7/9/2010 4:59:45 PM ATPG Was I right?
7/9/2010 4:59:51 PM ATPG I guess I'll find out
7/9/2010 4:59:52 PM Romanichine No

As soon as he realizes he's lynched he abandons the conversation entirely.

Now, he is attempting to spread more doubt as to my allegiance. But he's totally unwilling to wait for someone to scan me or for the results to come back on him. He wants to use what influence he has remaining to bring down Askthepizzaguy, so that instead of murdering me, I too will have my credibility challenged for three days. And by then, it may be too late. So, he wants to take me out of the game in such a way that none of my analysis and reasoning can be put to good use.

Given:


He was panicky about his own death
He wanted me to change my vote and was only concerned with that
He was hyper-aware of the deadline
He couldn't locate his own communist quote within a reasonable amount of time
His communist quote was BEYOND easy to find
And his actions since his death


I believe I am being targeted by Romanic, and we might have gotten very lucky with his lynch.

Sorry Romanic, you'll have to wait for your allies, if you have any left, to murder me. Until then, consider my offer to vote which way you say rescinded.





It does have bearing, it's mathematical.

Suppose 1/4 of the players start with a role, everyone has an equal chance to be vanilla (3/4 = 75%), but you coming as a replacement, with 2 replacing options, means that you have less chances to be vanilla (3/4 * 3/4 = 56%).

I'm not saying you're a role, but probability wise, you're better off than anyone else.

And this ^ is total nonsense hidden behind fake math.

You fail statistics forever. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailStatisticsForever)

The odds against a person winning the lottery are high. The odds of there being a lottery winner are pretty good. But using statistics and probability, you could convince people to either always play the lottery (someone almost always wins) or never (the odds against are worse than being hit by lightning multiple times in your life).

Beware of snakes trying to convince you through statistics. That's usually full of :daisy: because it is misleading, but with numbers, so it looks official. It's totally fraudulent logic.

[Romanic]

What a waste of your time, as I am dead anyway. Who are you trying to convince anyway?

My probability calculations are good, no matter what you say, and I'm dead, so don't expect a big reply from me, as I have nothing to defend.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What a waste of your time, as I am dead anyway. Who are you trying to convince anyway?

Should be obvious... You're obviously not actually trying to convince me I am guilty, so even though the conversation was directed at me ostensibly, it was really directed at everyone else. Just save time and say "Lynch ATPG, my hunch." no need for the rest of that.


My probability calculations are good, no matter what you say, and I'm dead, so don't expect a big reply from me, as I have nothing to defend.

I didn't say your math was wrong, I said the conclusion is wrong, so all the math in the world means nothing.

Since you're attacking my credibility, I thought I'd show my work as to why you got lynched in the first place. A plurality thought you were guilty, and from my own interrogation, you were acting off. I gave you a chance to explain yourself and you failed the sniff test.

That's all well and good, but since your post-death accusation is well off the mark, and you're singularly focused on me after I was the lynching vote, that tells me that you wish to discredit me or kill me before your true allegiance is found out.

Shall I expect your swords, or guns, tonight?

[Romanic]

Good luck guys, be careful with ATPG: He's the only replacement player in this game, so I'd be surprised if he's vanilla. Could easily be Japanese, we haven't found any of them yet.

^ The above is what I said that started your big defense, and it's not even an accusation. I am merely saying that you are likely not vanilla, maybe Japanese.

You're awfully defensive, I wonder how many pages of text I would need to read if I was actually saying that they should lynch you instead of giving a fair warning about someone who might not be vanilla.

[Askthepizzaguy]

^ The above is what I said that started your big defense, and it's not even an accusation. I am merely saying that you are likely not vanilla, maybe Japanese.

You're awfully defensive, I wonder how many pages of text I would need to read if I was actually saying that they should lynch you instead of giving a fair warning about someone who might not be vanilla.

What? Oh I'm not accusing you, just implying you're Japanese and that people shouldn't listen to you. Why so defensive?

:tongue2: Nice try. Back to your coffin.

[Romanic]

*laughs*

You failed to paste the start of our conversation where YOU opened the chat with me (while I was away), at 1637. I never requested to speak with you about this. You started this conversation 23 mins before the deadline,

Are you serious about all this?

All your arguments from our last conversation are based on something that I didn't started. You're neglecting obvious events at the price of wanting to prove that I am an enemy. The facts are:


He was panicky about his own death1) I was never panicky, and I didn't want to speak with you at all. I was ready to die, but you gave me hope to change the lynch by starting a conversation just before the deadline.


He wanted me to change my vote and was only concerned with that2) Yes, I wanted you to change your vote. Any player being lynched and caring about the game should do so, no matter which side he is.


He was hyper-aware of the deadline3) Yes, as someone following the game should be. Were you not aware of the deadline?


He couldn't locate his own communist quote within a reasonable amount of time4) Bah it took me less than 2 minutes if you look at the chat timestamp. How quick is good enough for you? Implying that I found a quote on Google in 2 minutes is laughable. I can't do that unless I know which kind of quote I should be looking for, and if I knew that and was a anti-communist, I would have one ready to throw at you instead of googling it. Bah!


His communist quote was BEYOND easy to find5) :laugh4: Right.


And his actions since his death6) My only action after death was to point out that you are more likely to have a role, and not be vanilla. Big deal. You're the one starting the big crusade against me to make sure nobody listen to be, and you're the one being overly defensive.


I didn't send a PM to anyone, I didn't chat with anyone until you talked to me, and I didn't even bother to defend in thread. How can you come back at me with this chat log as an argument of my guilt? This is all :daisy:. I would understand if I was trying to save myself, but hey, that's not the case.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Few points:

1) Who began the conversation doesn't matter at all... not sure why you would suggest otherwise.
2) You're playing this as if accusing me of having a role is some innocent action. That's bogus.


If I were a pro-communist power role, then outing me does us a fat lot of good, doesn't it? It's totally detrimental to the effort. The only other option is:
You're accusing me of evil villainy.


I'm giving you credit for not intentionally trying to sabotage our efforts, and ASSUMING this is the second option. It is ridiculous of you to suggest otherwise.

The rest of your post is too subjective to argue against. Might as well tell me which breakfast cereal is "the best".

[Romanic]

Few points:

1) Who began the conversation doesn't matter at all... not sure why you would suggest otherwise.


Yes it does in this case. I didn't do anything to save myself before you contacted me 23 minutes before the deadline. It speaks volume about my willingness to save myself, or at least it destroys your "You were panicky blah blah" arguments.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes it does in this case. I didn't do anything to save myself before you contacted me 23 minutes before the deadline. It speaks volume about my willingness to save myself, or at least it destroys your "You were panicky blah blah" arguments.

Your behavior during the conversation wasn't calm, cool, or collected. If your doom was so inevitable, why did you get so panicky when I offered you a way out, by simply revealing your commie quote within a few seconds' time? Did you realize that hope was not lost, and therefore put yourself into an urgent mode, to try to satisfy my conditions?

And if so, wouldn't it have been a simple matter to open up your inbox? It doesn't take a minute and a half to do so.


Oh well, with 3/8 votes on me on this side of the river and 1 hour to go, I guess it's useless to try defending myself. I'm not a big loss, just a vanilla townie and I have nothing to share. Good luck.

This is an attempt to get people to change their mind, but also shows that you lack any argument that could save you. Not everyone when guilty puts up a big fuss; see Yaseikhaan in PYP, all he did was mention his own death was approaching. That's not indicative of guilt or innocence.

I know you want to believe you've destroyed my arguments, but you're just talking past them and dismissing them out of hand or straw-manning them, and that's not the same thing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

His communist quote was BEYOND easy to find
5) Right. :laugh4:

Woah, almost missed this gem.

In what way was your communist quote hard to find?

Are you saying it wasn't in your inbox after all? Or are you alleging that I didn't find it in less than 30 seconds using the very first combination of words that popped into my head?

Which is it, because either one is pretty awesome.

[Romanic]

Attack as you want, I have the ultimate argument card in my hand. I was a loyal communist and once it is revealed, you will see how wrong you are. :grin:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I haven't seen you this active post-death since Daggers in the Night.

What alignment were you in that game, btw?


edit: This is a throwaway joke, I'm HEADING TO BED. Good night, we can brawl again in the morning.

[Romanic]

I haven't seen you this active post-death since Daggers in the Night.

What alignment were you in that game, btw?

edit: This is a throwaway joke, I'm HEADING TO BED. Good night, we can brawl again in the morning.

Yeah, I hope it's a joke, because yes I was mafia in Daggers, but look at my post count post-death closely and you'll see how unspectacular it was.

I have an offer for you, if you're so convinced about my guilt: What about we write a "I'm sorry, you were right" post of 50 lines to apologize to the other, once this is done? Real money transfer on Paypal? Hmm.. or anything else that you want!? I'll swear to any bet that you propose because, pal, I was a loyal communist and I can't lose here, no matter how hard you push to prove me wrong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, I hope it's a joke, because yes I was mafia in Daggers, but look at my post count post-death closely and you'll see how unspectacular it was.

I have an offer for you, if you're so convinced about my guilt: What about we write a "I'm sorry, you were right" post of 50 lines to apologize to the other, once this is done? Real money transfer on Paypal? Hmm.. or anything else that you want!? I'll swear to any bet that you propose because, pal, I was a loyal communist and I can't lose here, no matter how hard you push to prove me wrong.

Errr.... no, it's just a game.

If I am wrong I will apologize though.

[autolycus]

Subo, are we back in main thread? Otherwise, when will the update come?

[Subotan]

The Communists woke up to find that the thunderstorm which had dispatched Joooray had since passed, and also that no-one else had been dispatched during the night. The Socialists were relieved to see this, and GeneralHankerchief once again took credit for this accomplishment.

"And who knows, maybe all the reactionary thought has been purged from our People's Army, through the leadership of the Party as directed by myself, the Chairman and Party Secretary of the People's Extraordinary Detachment." declared the Chairman and Party Secretary proudly

"Hold on," questioned a Maoist "Since when were you the Party Secretary of this here military force? We did not elect you to such a position!"

"Au contraire" replied GeneralHankerchief (Despite the fact that none of his audience could speak French) "As the supreme Party authority in the region, I have the authority to create and dissolve party titles at will; thus, I have added to my responsibilities that of the Party Secretariat. With the increased power that my new office affords me, I have decided to reshuffle my Officer Corps. Comrade Seamus Fermanagh is relieved of his post as the Medical Officer, and he has been allocated the position of Special Operative. Comrade Jolt has been promoted to the role of Medical Officer! Congratulations you two! You shall be using your new powers shortly, I fear."

For about 200 metres away, over a small hill and down a gentle slop, the Wenti Bridge crossed the Nuqi River. As the Communists had feared, it was patrolled by Kuomintang soldiers. But, thankfully, thanks to the wise leadership of PEXDET, the Reds were well prepared to take the bridge from the clutches of the international Counter-Revolutionary conspiracy. The mountain gun and the mortar which they had dragged with them all this time was about to come in useful.

***

Bu Jingyi was standing on guard on Wenti Bridge. A half hearted defender of the Nationalist cause, he wasn't that much committed to the defence of the Motherland against the invading Japanese. But duty was duty, and he was obligated to defend this bridge. He would actually have much rather have been at home in Sichuan with his young family, tending to his crop, but he had had the misfortune to be conscripted into the National Revolutionary Army. There wasn't much he could do about it except wait his time out, and hopefully eventually get posted to a location where he could slip away from his superiors. He'd heard that only 3/5s of soldiers conscripted into the army actually made it through training, with the rest either dying or going AWOL in the night. Now would be a good time to do it actually. The night was dark, thanks to the new moon, and the clouds obscured the starlight. He couldn't help but think of the time when he-

Pa-CHUNK

What was that? Bu immediately stood up, peering into the darkness without much success. It was certainly not a natural noise, and he picked up his rifle to make sure than nothing human was skulking around in the gloom. He thought he could hear whisperings in the dark, but an annoying whistling from above was preventing him from being able to make out what was said. He better call the Colonel in charge of the guard to see if he could pick anything being said out of the infernal EEEEEEEEE-

Ka-BOOM

The mortar shell slammed into Bu's position with a satisfyingly humongous explosion. The fireball didn't just light up the night sky, it bathing everywhere in sight of the fortress in a cosy orange glow for several seconds, and illuminating the Communists' manic glee. The flames revealed GeneralHankerchief, who was standing on a small hillock with his arm fully outstretched, bellowing an order to the mountain gun crew.

Earth jumped up and the trees shook as the mountain gun fired a shell straight at the Wenti Bridge gate, blowing it to smithereens. Now it was the turn of the Kuomintang to scream and cry out in panic, as the Socialists rushed forced, yelling battle cries and storming the bridge. The Nationalists all ran to the South Bank of the bridge and attempted to fight off the attackers, but to no avail, thanks at least in part to the demon who dropped in from the North Bank. Breathing flame, he belched napalm all over the stone bridge, catching many of the Nationalist grunts unaware, and shortly dead. The demon wielded his flamethrower with skill and self-indulgence, laughing as he did so. But he stumbled in the assault, and his torch swung to the side to engulf Comrade AVSM in liquid fire. He screamed, and attempted to flee from the all-consuming fire, but he only managed to run into the side of the bridge from where he toppled, soaring down into the depths of the Nuqi Gorge like a dying firefly. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdSUbGbo50&hd=1#t=4m34s)

As the survivors from the North Bank caught the Rightists in a pincer movement, one of the Communists hung back. wideyedwanderer was a bit nervous, as he'd neer fought in a battle before. The screaming, the fire and the explosions all terrified him, and gave him pause. He waited on the North Side of the Gorge, ostensibly protecting the rear from any attempts by the Kuomintang to bring up reinforcements, although he knew as well as anyone that there was no chance of that happening. But, a movement could be seen in the gloom. It wasn't enough to be a reinforcing army, maybe one man at most. Pointing his rifle cautiously, he shuffled over to the rustling, out of sight from the bridge. The man disappeared behind a tree, and wideyedwanderer followed. Sidling around the tree, he couldn't see anything; the man had disappeared.

"Huh. Was probably just another conscript like-"

He was cut short by a sword bursting out of his stomach. He gasped and choked as a voice whispered in his ear

"Just so you know, we're not cowards. We've just been biding our time."

The mystery man then pulled his blade out of wideyedwanderer's belly, and decapitated wideyedwanderer in a one swoop.

When the smoke and all the corpses had been cleared, the Chairman and Party Secretary stood on the wall of the bridge to make a speech

"Welcome back comrades! Reunited, we are are at our strongest...even if we have endured a few casualties along the way. wideyedwanderer's death is of particular concern. As the killers came from the North Bank, they must both have been in the Assault Squad. However, we now know that YLC was in fact a Japanese Soldier, not even a collaborator, but a full-blooded imperialist! Lucky us!"

The Socialists then gathered their packs and set off over the bridge further North, towards Yan'an, though dusty plains and and Gobi sandstorms.

Alive: 16/40

ACIN
ATPG
autolycus
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
Nictel
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Split

Lynched players 10/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
M3YUZ
Romanic
Joooray


Killed Players 11/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
wideyedwanderer


Devoured by Rats/Consumed by Flames - 3

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
AVSM

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