Tea Party funds Obama as Hitler/Lennon message, walks it back [Archive]

seireikhaan

07-15-2010, 04:36

Someone lost their marbles when they authorized payment for This Billboard (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/13/iowa-tea-party-billboard-compares-obama-hitler/). Either the Tea Part isn't doing much of a job of oversight of its chapters, or they wanted to try this to test the waters on whether people thought it would fly. Regardless, it doesn't reflect very well that they would pay for such an offensive advertisement. Perhaps the strangest statement out of it was from one of the Tea Party coordinators:

John White, an Iowa coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots, said that he can understand the North Iowa group's perception that Obama is "Hitler-esque," but he thinks the billboard is offensive and unproductive. White said that he planned to discuss the matter with national tea party officials.
So Obama's "Hitler-esque", but its offensive to go out and compare him to Hitler? :dizzy2:

Sign has since been taken down (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_iowa_obama_billboard) by the chapter.

Beskar

07-15-2010, 04:57

Was tempted to post this, thanks for doing it.

Though, "National Socialism" was only a name and Obama is no where near a socialist. Even Margret Thatcher is more of a Socialist.

https://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6089/billboardy.gif

I was tempted to put up George Washington as well, for the Irony, but I couldn't be bothered.

Edit: It is also Lennin, not Lennon. Though Lennon also advocated change. Also, even the Billboard advocates change. Ultimately, it is stupid.

Gregoshi

07-15-2010, 05:32

Edit: It is also Lennin, not Lennon. Though Lennon also advocated change.
Lennin/Lennon. To-may-to/To-mah-to. I suspect it wouldn't really matter to folks who put up the billboard. :no:

Centurion1

07-15-2010, 05:43

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.

Sasaki Kojiro

07-15-2010, 05:45

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.

ok :beam:

Beskar

07-15-2010, 05:53

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.

Agreed.

CountArach

07-15-2010, 05:55

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.
Deal.

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 05:57

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.

I hear that!

Louis VI the Fat

07-15-2010, 06:03

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.Works for me.

Gregoshi

07-15-2010, 06:08

Great! Let's all have some tea, shall we?

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 06:22

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/EPYC/tea-bag-1.jpg

TEA BAG the LIBERAL DEMS

BEFORE THEY TEA BAG YOU!!

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

07-15-2010, 08:21

ok :beam:

Agreed.

Deal.

I hear that!

Works for me.

Now you all look like Liberal jerks, well done boys.

Seriously though, Obama has a personality cult, great oratory and a carefully cultivated (and hence cultic) image in common with both Hitler and Lenin. The Billboard is also historically grounded, all three men have offered "change" and two have not delivered, and yes it does work even better with Thatcher, she also shares all those traits with Hitler.

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 08:27

Now you all look like Liberal jerks, well done boys.

Seriously though, Obama has a personality cult, great oratory and a carefully cultivated (and hence cultic) image in common with both Hitler and Lenin. The Billboard is also historically grounded, all three men have offered "change" and two have not delivered, and yes it does work even better with Thatcher, she also shares all those traits with Hitler.

Seriously though, [fill in the name of a politician] has a personality cult, great oratory and a carefully cultivated image.

What in the blue heck are you talking about? People with mustaches are just like Hitler and Stalin too....

Did you know that Hitler and Stalin were men? My goodness, all men are Hitler.

a completely inoffensive name

07-15-2010, 08:38

This thread has made me lol multiple times.

On topic: The billboard shows how out of touch the tea parties philosophy is with the majority of moderate Americans. As the tea party gets bigger, the message is pressured to be toned down. As the message is watered down, the political punch and attention it gets is reduced. As the attention is reduced, the tea party then fails to get new members and slowly dies off. By the 2012 election cycle the tea party will be very marginalized, by their own success and by the undermining of Republicans who are threatened and attacked by tea party members competing against them.

Hosakawa Tito

07-15-2010, 10:55

rory_20_uk

07-15-2010, 11:07

Seriously though, Obama has a personality cult, great oratory and a carefully cultivated (and hence cultic) image in common with both Hitler and Lenin. The Billboard is also historically grounded, all three men have offered "change" and two have not delivered, and yes it does work even better with Thatcher, she also shares all those traits with Hitler.

What politicians don't have a carefully cultivated image?
Politicians offer one of two things: status quo or change.

So, broadly 50% of politicians ever fit the bill.

~:smoking:

Subotan

07-15-2010, 11:08

It is stupid but let's not act like liberals have done far worse.
I reluctantly agree :shame:

Now you all look like Liberal jerks, well done boys..
As opposed to conservative jerks? :jester:

Seriously though, Obama has a personality cult, great oratory and a carefully cultivated (and hence cultic) image in common with both Hitler and Lenin. The Billboard is also historically grounded, all three men have offered "change" and two have not delivered, and yes it does work even better with Thatcher, she also shares all those traits with Hitler.Your description of what Obama, Lenin and Hitler all have in common is basically what all successful politicians have in common. People like them, they have a carefully controlled public image, and they often get elected on the basis of "the current government sucks let's try something new".

The comparison the Tea Party makes with Obama and Lenin/Hitler stems from ignorance about what socialism and Nazism actually mean, rather than any meaningful comparison of economic policy.

Beskar

07-15-2010, 12:06

Does that mean you voted for Hitler, PVC?

David Cameron = Cult of Personality, Promise of Change, etc.

https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5681/79109240.gif

Rhyfelwyr

07-15-2010, 12:27

Though, "National Socialism" was only a name

People need to appreciate this more. Just because it has "socialism" in the name doesn't mean it is left-wing. Is state capitalism right wing just because it has "capitalism" in the name?

Hence why I facepalm at the BNP being put to the left of Labour on the political compass. Ramming all the policies into one left-right scale doesn't do justice to how many dimensions there are to all the different ideologies.

gaelic cowboy

07-15-2010, 12:47

Ramming all the policies into one left-right scale doesn't do justice to how many dimensions there are to all the different ideologies.

It is silly this political compass thingy fullstop bloody thing should be banned for polluting the minds of otherwise sensible people

HoreTore

07-15-2010, 13:57

In what alternate universe did Lenin have a personality cult before he attained power...?

Only a tiny group of people even knew what he looked like.

rory_20_uk

07-15-2010, 14:17

From the first speech when he borrowed a worker's cap to not look like the well-heeled ex-Parisian German stooge he was onwards.

Bolsheviks (majority) beat the Menchaviks (minority).

~:smoking:

Centurion1

07-15-2010, 15:26

A guy forgets two letters and you jackals jump all over it.

Let's not act like liberals HAVEN'T done far worse

Centurion1

07-15-2010, 15:26

A guy forgets two letters and you jackals jump all over it.

Let's not act like liberals HAVEN'T done things just as bad.

Lemur

07-15-2010, 15:38

Let's not act like liberals HAVEN'T done things just as bad.
Gotcha!

gaelic cowboy

07-15-2010, 16:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_CkVHH5gxc

HoreTore

07-15-2010, 17:30

From the first speech when he borrowed a worker's cap to not look like the well-heeled ex-Parisian German stooge he was onwards.

Bolsheviks (majority) beat the Menchaviks (minority).

~:smoking:

Yes, the communist party knew who he was.

The rest of the Russian population couldn't recognize him on a photo.

PanzerJaeger

07-15-2010, 20:20

First of all, as has been mentioned, the OP seems to be unaware that the Tea Party is not, in fact, a singular, organized entity.

Second, enduring eight years of Bush=Hitler (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=bush+hitler&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) hysterics from the Left, including some of the most inane, bat-:daisy: crazy conspiracy theories I've ever heard, puts this obscure little incident into some perspective.

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/panzerjaeger/bush_hitler.jpg

:daisy:

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/panzerjaeger/4b5d6_BushHitlerPlakard053.jpg

And my personal fav... BUSH knocked down the towers in some sort of Reichstag-esce power grab!!1

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/panzerjaeger/bush-hitler-history-repeats.jpg

Sasaki Kojiro

07-15-2010, 20:33

Ahh PJ added some more...oh well.

****

I suppose we ought to show the flipside after jumping on cent like that.

http://i31.tinypic.com/4jou90.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/293k2fo.jpg

https://i29.tinypic.com/n5j2bm.jpg

https://i25.tinypic.com/6gbzx0.jpg

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

07-15-2010, 21:08

Does that mean you voted for Hitler, PVC?

David Cameron = Cult of Personality, Promise of Change, etc.

https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5681/79109240.gif

I'm going to go with answering this one as a stand in for everyone.

Yes, you're all right but.....

Maggie and Obama both cultivated messianic or near-messianic images, whereas Cameron (for example) only went as far as "the other side sucks, come home to us".

Obama runs on a different order of magnitude, and that's deliberate - in exactly the same way as with Hitler it was deliberate.

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 23:36

People need to appreciate this more. Just because it has "socialism" in the name doesn't mean it is left-wing. Is state capitalism right wing just because it has "capitalism" in the name?

Hence why I facepalm at the BNP being put to the left of Labour on the political compass. Ramming all the policies into one left-right scale doesn't do justice to how many dimensions there are to all the different ideologies.

Stuff you and I actually agree on, Rhyfelwyr.

I have been screaming this at the top of my lungs for ages. Some of the first posts I ever put in the backroom involved shunning participation in that political compass thing. It is a mechanism of oversimplification and division.

It is silly this political compass thingy fullstop bloody thing should be banned for polluting the minds of otherwise sensible people

THANK YOU.

Rhyfelwyr

07-15-2010, 23:50

Stuff you and I actually agree on, Rhyfelwyr.

We're both fairly moderate fellows when it comes to politics, I'm sure we agree on plenty of stuff.

Why is everyone so shocked when they agree with me on something? Am I really that controversial a poster?

Subotan

07-15-2010, 23:54

First of all, as has been mentioned, the OP seems to be unaware that the Tea Party is not, in fact, a singular, organized entity.
But they are politically all on the same wavelength.

Second, enduring eight years of Bush=Hitler (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=bush+hitler&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) hysterics from the Left, including some of the most inane, bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories I've ever heard, puts this obscure little incident into some perspective.

That doesn't make that right though, and you know that.

seireikhaan

07-15-2010, 23:57

First of all, as has been mentioned, the OP seems to be unaware that the Tea Party is not, in fact, a singular, organized entity.

Second, enduring eight years of Bush=Hitler (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=bush+hitler&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) hysterics from the Left, including some of the most inane, bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories I've ever heard, puts this obscure little incident into some perspective.

1) I'm quite aware they are not a centralized authority. However, I did figure there was some sort of oversight of various chapters. Or at least some kind of "hey, chapters, ya think these guys are legit?" sort of meeting. Otherwise, ya see, things like this happen.

2) Again, quite aware of the bush = hitler comparisons. What I'm not aware of are actual paid advertisements being taken out by a political group, be it legitimate or clamoring for legitimacy, saying so. Imo, there's a difference. Its the difference between "Oh, well, there's the occasional nutter in the tea party" and "The tea spent its own $$ on a very public message on a nutter idea".

Sasaki Kojiro

07-16-2010, 00:12

2) Again, quite aware of the bush = hitler comparisons. What I'm not aware of are actual paid advertisements being taken out by a political group, be it legitimate or clamoring for legitimacy, saying so. Imo, there's a difference. Its the difference between "Oh, well, there's the occasional nutter in the tea party" and "The tea spent its own $$ on a very public message on a nutter idea".

https://i32.tinypic.com/mtw2fk.png

Besides khaan, people donate money to groups that are running these ridiculous adds all the time.

Gregoshi

07-16-2010, 00:26

a completely inoffensive name

07-16-2010, 00:27

The Tea Party isn't an actual nor unified political party. It's a movement of disaffected people who are disgusted with the Republicans & Democrats. They have their fringe groups much like the mainstream political parties and apparently at least one hails from Iowa.

I disagree. I would say that if all these groups are campaigning under the same "Tea Party" logo, then it is a "unified" political party. In this case it is much, much more decentralized then modern day political parties like the Democrats and Republicans, but they are unified nonetheless. I would even say they are more unified and powerful then the "Bush=Hitler" idiots from the Bush years. There are actual "Tea Party" candidates running against Republicans in the Republican primaries, I don't see what qualifications they are missing to be a political party.

Husar

07-16-2010, 00:46

all three men have offered "change" and two have not delivered,

Uhm, Obama hasn't delivered that much change but the other two delivered a lot of change, Lenin turned Russia into a Socialist superpower of sorts that changed not only Russia in the end but also the rest of the world, people are still afraid of it today, even though it doesn't exist anymore. Hitler turned Germany and many other countries into a pile of dirt and huge warzones, if that isn't some kind of change then I don't know, he didn't exactly continue the Weimar Republic's politics, did he?
And that's just one reason why the billboard doesn't really fit.

Lemur

07-16-2010, 01:09

Our politics is run by a bunch of teenaged drama queens. :no:
I don't know that this is a new thing. Going all the way back to Jefferson v. Adams in 1800, we've always had a bit of soap opera silliness to our politics. There's a reason Washington bemoaned the rise of parties and then retired from the whole show, even though he could easily have been president for life.

Reenk Roink

07-16-2010, 01:28

Let's not pretend that the tea party is anything other than essentially a bunch of angry white republicans who dominate the other guys in the tea party. They just happen to call themselves independent and grass root.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34913.html

Republican

While tea party activists have described themselves as political free agents disgusted with both parties, a new poll by Quinnipiac University shows that a majority have a close connection to the GOP.

Almost three quarters of those who identified themselves as part of the tea party movement – 74 percent – also identified themselves as Republicans or independents who lean Republican, according to the poll. Only 16 percent of tea partiers said they are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents.

White

In addition to being largely Republican, the poll found tea partiers are mainly white (88 percent), voted for 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain (77 percent) and adore his running mate, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is eying a run for the 2012 GOP nomination and has made a concerted play for tea party affection.

Angry

And though 70 percent of all respondents indicated they were “somewhat dissatisfied” or “very dissatisfied” with the way things are going in America today, a whopping 92 percent of tea partiers said they’re dissatisfied.

PanzerJaeger

07-16-2010, 06:55

Let's not pretend that the tea party is anything other than essentially a bunch of angry white republicans who dominate the other guys in the tea party. They just happen to call themselves independent and grass root.

Who is pretending that they aren't?

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

HoreTore

07-16-2010, 08:21

Beskar

07-16-2010, 08:37

88% is an interesting number..............................................

For those who don't understand, Right-wing groups have the number 88 on logos, t-shirts and tatoos. If you put the numbers to the alphabet, it produces HH, which is neo-nazi code for "Heil Hitler".

18 is another number (AH), which many far right groups like "Combat 18" (UK Neo-Nazi Terrorist group) use often.

rory_20_uk

07-16-2010, 09:55

It's also a lucky number in China. Coincidence...?

Yes.

~:smoking:

a completely inoffensive name

07-16-2010, 10:39

Reenk Roink

07-16-2010, 12:38

Who is pretending that they aren't?

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

Some of them themselves pretend they aren't, this movement is basically not independent nor does it really appeal beyond a narrow demographic.

And yeah, it's well known that blacks are overwhelmingly in support of Obama and the democratic party in general (and who can blame them for the latter), but I don't really see them making a big deal about being independent or non partisan unlike the Tea Party, nor do they claim to speak for a larger demographic.

CountArach

07-16-2010, 12:46

KukriKhan

07-16-2010, 14:55

Somewhere along the line America has apparently developed a severe case of Hitler-envy. We've elected three Hitlers in a row - no, make that four if you give half a Hitler each to Hillary and Cheney.

Our politics is run by a bunch of teenaged drama queens. :no:

It has been ever thus:

https://jimcee.homestead.com/LBJ.jpg https://jimcee.homestead.com/NIXON_1.gifhttps://jimcee.homestead.com/CARTER.jpg

One wonders what we did before dubya-dubya-too.

-edit-
LBJ via Rolling Stone, Nixon from The New Yorker Magazine, Carter from ??.

Gregoshi

07-16-2010, 17:19

Looks like I should have been (even more) disgusted with politics much sooner than I've been.

HoreTore

07-16-2010, 19:12

Some of them themselves pretend they aren't, this movement is basically not independent nor does it really appeal beyond a narrow demographic.

And yeah, it's well known that blacks are overwhelmingly in support of Obama and the democratic party in general (and who can blame them for the latter), but I don't really see them making a big deal about being independent or non partisan unlike the Tea Party, nor do they claim to speak for a larger demographic.

Another drawback of having just two parties: a vote for a party does not have to mean support for a party, it can also be about disgust for the other party.

Honestly. Republicans in the south have members of congress who are former members of the KKK, who thinks that Martin Luther King was a radical commie, etc etc... Is it really any wonder why african americans are reluctant to vote for that bunch...?

Askthepizzaguy

07-16-2010, 19:19

88 is 11 less problems then what Jay-Z had. 11 is 9 away from 20, 20 is the number of times Hitler went to the bath room in his underground bunker before he killed himself. 9 and 11 makes 9/11 which is what the left wing radicals claim makes Bush a modern day Hitler. Don't you see! Hitler, Bush, 9/11, numbers and Jay-Z. It's all connected!

AM I AND GLENN BECK THE ONLY ONES SEEING THIS!?!?!

Jay-Z and Glenn Beck.... hmmm.... Z is also the last letter of the alphabet..... and "omega" is the last letter of the greek alphabet.....

The alpha and the omega! It means Glenn Beck is Jesus Christ reincarnated! He's back, and this time he's pwning liberals by unraveling their secret plots!

PanzerJaeger

07-16-2010, 19:51

Honestly. Republicans in the south have members of congress who are former members of the KKK, who thinks that Martin Luther King was a radical commie, etc etc... Is it really any wonder why african americans are reluctant to vote for that bunch...?

Ummm... the only member of congress in recent memory that I know of that was a former KKK member, an Exhaulted Cyclops at that, was the now deceased Democratic Senator Robert Byrd; who has gifted us with such awesomely racist quotes as:

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

Can you name some of these former KKK Republican members of congress, please? Google is not being helpful.

HoreTore

07-16-2010, 20:14

Ummm... the only member of congress in recent memory that I know of that was a former KKK member, an Exhaulted Cyclops at that, was the now deceased Democratic Senator Robert Byrd; who has gifted us with such awesomely racist quotes as:

Can you name some of these former KKK Republican members of congress, please? Google is not being helpful.

Robert Byrd was indeed the lunatic I was referring to.

drone

07-16-2010, 21:35

Honestly. Republicans in the south have members of congress who are former members of the KKK, who thinks that Martin Luther King was a radical commie, etc etc... Is it really any wonder why african americans are reluctant to vote for that bunch...?
Lincoln was a Republican. The south was mainly Democrat until Nixon came in with the "Southern Strategy". The old-school klukkers and segregationists are Democrats, even Helms started out as a Democrat.

Crazed Rabbit

07-17-2010, 00:17

Robert Byrd was indeed the lunatic I was referring to.

You mean the lifelong Democratic party member Robert Byrd?
:inquisitive:
Of whom Clinton said: (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/07/02/clinton_defends_byrds_kkk_ties_he_was_trying_to_get_elected.html)

"He once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, what does that mean? I'll tell you what it means. He was a country boy from the hills and hollows from West Virginia. He was trying to get elected," former President Bill Clinton said of Sen. Robert Byrd.

Ah, Byrd. A man so convinced of his own importance and the necessity of him governing other people that he made nice with the racist, bigoted, and one of the original terrorist organizations, the KKK.

Or he was just a racist himself.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I wasn't convinced of much by the OP. The Tea Party doesn't seem to have much central authority, so I think it's likely some small chapter put this up. I think the horrible, cringe inducing attempt at satire by one of the Tea Party Express leaders is much worse, and more relevant.

CR

Banquo's Ghost

07-17-2010, 12:01

It has been ever thus:

https://jimcee.homestead.com/CARTER.jpg

:jawdrop:

Jimmy Carter as Hitler??!

Did Hitler sue?

Gregoshi

07-17-2010, 15:31

Jimmy Carter as Hitler??!

Did Hitler sue?
No, but his brother Billy Hitler did. ~D

Megas Methuselah

07-17-2010, 18:45

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

Ethnicity has everything to do with it. I can dream that it doesn't, but simply put, historical crimes have given many minority groups common ground which is not simply limited to a shared past, but to such things in the present day as, for one obvious example, shared social/economic status. It sucks being on the receiving end.

Crazed Rabbit

07-17-2010, 19:08

It's worth noting the best way to judge the tea party may be who they endorse. In several cases they've endorsed minority candidates over white candidates, like Nikki Haley for South Carolina governor.

They may be predominantly white, and some individual idiots may be racists, but as a whole they care about issues, not race.

I can dream that it doesn't, but simply put, historical crimes have given many minority groups common ground which is not simply limited to a shared past, but to such things in the present day as, for one obvious example, shared social/economic status.

So blacks whose families have lived in America for hundreds of years have the same past as recent Hispanic immigrants from Latin America? :rolleyes: Yeah, let's just lump all minorities' experience together as being the same because they're not white.

CR

HoreTore

07-17-2010, 19:13

You mean the lifelong Democratic party member Robert Byrd?

Don't confuse me with someone with intimate knowledge of US congressmen.

Just threw an idea out there...

Centurion1

07-17-2010, 19:49

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.

HoreTore

07-17-2010, 20:09

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.

"Personally repugnant".....?

BTW, I don't see anyone who has disproved my idea, which was that voting for one party may not be actual support for one policy, but may instead be disapproval of another policy. The British political scene is perhaps the best example of this(BNP/Labour).

Centurion1

07-17-2010, 22:04

No horetore I'm talking about your basless claim that republican congressmen are in the kkk and that therefore we the voters who put them there are accepting of that

Sasaki Kojiro

07-17-2010, 22:18

Louis VI the Fat

07-17-2010, 22:42

(Part of) the Klan endorsed Obama: 'White Christian Supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan has endorsed Barack Obama to be the next President of the United States of America'. http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?a=1227&c=117

https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6609/kkkhillaryobama.jpg

This means that like the Tea Party, the KKK is not racist. :tongue:

Slightly more seriously: It does show that political lunacy is not solely focused on skin colour. The Clintons, both Will and Hill, received pretty much the same treatment from the loony right as Obama does. Full of conspiracies, and the end to freedom and the American Way and blahblahblah.

Bush was said to be a power-grabbing fascist maniac by many groups on the left. This too was taking it too far, and was clear conspirational bollox: it was Cheney who was the power-grabbing fascist maniac.

Conspirational thinking is simply a constant in American politics. There is always some mighty force out to destroy America through some devilish plot.

Askthepizzaguy

07-17-2010, 23:01

Conspirational thinking is simply a constant in American politics. There is always some mighty force out to destroy America through some devilish plot.

Quiet you fool! There are Republicans watching this thread...

HoreTore

07-18-2010, 07:54

No horetore I'm talking about your basless claim that republican congressmen are in the kkk and that therefore we the voters who put them there are accepting of that

That had absolutely zero to do with my point.

Please try again.

Hosakawa Tito

07-18-2010, 10:52

This thread smacks of profiling....party profiling....that's illegal and unconstitutional.:inquisitive:

CountArach

07-18-2010, 13:41

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.
The insinuation here being that it was a formation of the Party, which clearly has no basis in fact. Further, the Democratic Party of the post Civil War 1860-70s South is NOTHING at all like the modern Democratic Party.

PanzerJaeger

07-19-2010, 00:43

a completely inoffensive name

07-19-2010, 07:33

Just wanted to point out that the South had already began switching from Democratic to Republican in the 1960s before Nixon's "Southern strategy" because they saw their racist views as cause for "irreconcilable differences" between them and the pushing of Civil Rights under Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lyndon_Johnson_signing_Civil_Rights_Act,_2_July,_1964.jpg)(link in this text).

Also just another note, someone said that a Republican forced integration of public schools. That's false. The Brown vs. Board of Education ruling occurred during Republican Eisenhower's administration, but the Federal government did nothing to enforce it under his administration. It was only until the Civil Rights movement had gained enough strength in the early 1960s to push Democratic president John F. Kennedy administration that the Federal government should send Federal troops to get the Southern states in line. Perfect example is the "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_in_the_Schoolhouse_Door). (link in text)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lyndon_Johnson_signing_Civil_Rights_Act,_2_July,_1964.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lyndon_Johnson_signing_Civil_Rights_Act,_2_July,_1964.jpg

HoreTore

07-19-2010, 08:23

I think Centurion's point is that the modern Republican Party is NOTHING (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/22/tim-scott-beats-strom-thurmonds-son-in-s-c-poised-to-make-his/) like it was described by our friend from Norway.

......Which wasn't my actual point, ya know....

It's pretty damn obvious to me that african americans don't all vote democrat because Obama's father is african, as they voted for Bill Clinton too. Further, it seems highly unlikely for a party to have such high support against a single demographic like that, unless they get a lot of votes from people who prefer them simply because the other guy is the bigger idiot. 91%? That's a kind of number you see in "elections" run in dictatorships. No, the reason why 91% of african americans support Obama must be in part because the other guy(republicans) are much, much worse in their opinion.

Just like a few non-fascist Brits voted for the BNP because they hate both Labour and the Tories. And I'm sure the same applies for the teabaggers.

PanzerJaeger

07-20-2010, 01:56

......Which wasn't my actual point, ya know....

It's pretty damn obvious to me that african americans don't all vote democrat because Obama's father is african, as they voted for Bill Clinton too. Further, it seems highly unlikely for a party to have such high support against a single demographic like that, unless they get a lot of votes from people who prefer them simply because the other guy is the bigger idiot. 91%? That's a kind of number you see in "elections" run in dictatorships. No, the reason why 91% of african americans support Obama must be in part because the other guy(republicans) are much, much worse in their opinion.

Just like a few non-fascist Brits voted for the BNP because they hate both Labour and the Tories. And I'm sure the same applies for the teabaggers.

Well, a couple of us on this board identify with Republicans so when you make claims about KKK membership, especially when it was in fact a Democrat to whom you were referring, you can expect to get a bit of a reaction. :shrug:

Also, African-American block voting has several causes, none of which are particularly well reasoned.

Megas Methuselah

07-20-2010, 03:08

So blacks whose families have lived in America for hundreds of years have the same past as recent Hispanic immigrants from Latin America? :rolleyes: Yeah, let's just lump all minorities' experience together as being the same because they're not white.

It wasn't my intention for you to reach that conclusion from my statement, but ok, fine sure. I guess I could have worded it differently.

Centurion1

07-20-2010, 04:39

Democrats get the black vote for three major reasons.

1. The majority of blacks live in urban areas, urban voters overwhelmingly vote democrat.
2. The democratic party has campaigned vigorously for the black vote and that of other minorities by promising them everything under the sun.
3. Economically and demogrqphically african americans have lower incomes, which means they are (this is a bit stereotyped) poorer. Those in abject poverty often vote for the democrats.

Horetore you said what you said don't deny it and act like I'm talking about something else, when you say something like republicans senators and congressmen are often outed as kkk members it is hard to misconstrue.

Actually acin it was eisenhower who ordered in the us army airborne to force the school to desegragate by first allowing that young girl brown into the previously white school. But yes I agree he did it with trepidation but it does not change the fact he did do it.

Horetore what was that last comment even supposed to mean? Clinton was a democrat to for gods sake.

CountArach

07-20-2010, 05:22

1. The majority of blacks live in urban areas, urban voters overwhelmingly vote democrat.
That's not an explanation, because you don't explain why urban voters are Democratic. You are swapping two causes over to explain one effect.

2. The democratic party has campaigned vigorously for the black vote and that of other minorities by promising them everything under the sun.
That and Republicans have tried to take their sun away.

3. Economically and demogrqphically african americans have lower incomes, which means they are (this is a bit stereotyped) poorer. Those in abject poverty often vote for the democrats.
Not so (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/how-did-white-people-vote-how-did-rich.html) - The key graphs are the bottom two. Race plays a huge part in the polarised South. Outside of the South it is true that lower income groups tend to favour Democrats, but inside the South there is a stark difference along racial lines.

a completely inoffensive name

07-20-2010, 05:55

Actually acin it was eisenhower who ordered in the us army airborne to force the school to desegragate by first allowing that young girl brown into the previously white school. But yes I agree he did it with trepidation but it does not change the fact he did do it.

Well if we are talking about assigning political points here by examining which party was the first to start desegregation, then you can't really tout Republicans for being the first to desegregate when the fact is that if they could then they would have refused. Supreme Court mandated it, so Eisenhower against his wishes followed, and made no attempt to press the issue further into actual laws like the Democrats did under Kennedy and Johnson. In this case we need to scrap talking about "the first to enforce desegregation" entirely as a point since it was obvious that the first didn't want to and those that "copied" the policy actually did want to.

HoreTore

07-20-2010, 09:00

Horetore you said what you said don't deny it and act like I'm talking about something else, when you say something like republicans senators and congressmen are often outed as kkk members it is hard to misconstrue.

What on earth are you on? I have already stated that I had robert byrd mixed up, why are you still discussing this...?

Horetore what was that last comment even supposed to mean? Clinton was a democrat to for gods sake.

Yes, he most certainly is... Which kinda fits together with my point being based on him being a democrat....hmmm.....

And I shall once again bend over and present my goods to the God of polling statistics, CountArach. May he never realize there's more to life than studiyng voting polls!

Skullheadhq

07-22-2010, 15:21