Roman mod

[Lord Black Adder]

After hard work Thelordz roman mod is finaly coming.This is gona be our beta version. Our soldiers are coming equipt with helmet, armour,roman sword,javelin and shield.When Lordkrazy is back from his cruzade he will aprove upload.
LBA
Elephants hmm?

[MonkeyMan]

Do you have it hosted elsewhere in the meantime?

[NagatsukaShumi]

So it's been released is it, and LK is on a cruscade aye....

[Lord Black Adder]

Thelordz Roman mod is still in testing mode, graphic vise
we got one unit fully done. LKrazy is working on RomanCav.
Guys it took as months to do this so be litle patient.
I was bussy making icons for 60 units and LKrazy making units and answering to your questions. Roman mod rests between all of this.Few more days maybe weeks. Then they are Hanibal elephants which i cant waite to get my hands on.
I got to go back to work. TheLordz

[King David]

Great work you guys I've been waiting for those units since you and LK first wrote about it.

[NagatsukaShumi]

I'm guessing you meant path to the dark ages did you not? (When saying roman mod rests between this.)

Take as long as you want to realease, never release unfinished stuff.

[Lord Black Adder]

If anyone can help with some elephant images?
It is to be, an elephant with diferent angles, size of image is not important, best are GIF,JPG or BMP formats.
Thanks LBA

[Wellington]

LBA,

I sent LK a few Elephant images some months ago (extracted from AoE). Never headr anything more so I presumed it was a no-no.

A few points

- 2 different Elephant images in A0E (one with Howdah, one without)
- they are a bit too small to use in conjuction with existing hi-res MTW units but could probably be expaned for the basic outline (a bit of detail touching up would then be required)
- AoE uses 8 camera angles but not quite the same angles as MTW. They would look a bit like Shogun units on an MTW battlefiels.
- There are several actions available for these elephants. The basic 4 actions for mounts (stand/walk/run/charge) are available.
- each AoE action (for each of these 2 Elephant types) comprises a variable number of frames (between 7 and 15). You'd have to pick/select which frames to duplicate or omit for the 12 frames required for MTW BIFs.

There was a longish dicussion on Elephants in LK's "Request to community" thread. Personally I think representing Elephants in MTW poses problems - not so much from an imaging viewpoint but more in terms of the MTW battlefield engine.

Still, if you want more details let me know.

[Lord Black Adder]

Wellington thanks for your interest in elephants And yes please any images will help, including your skills. About 6 month ago I replaced 2 camel images on frame one and added elephants as standing ones. Run the game and my elephants where nicely displayed in game, captured in pause. This was Lordz only try.I cant say it will not work till I test it all trought 12 frames but i do consider your point about engine limitations.I been so bussy, and i havent read TheOrg
posts for months be in touch.LBA

[Wellington]

LBA,

Just looked at the ZIPs I sent LK - I was wrong - I never sent him the AoE Elephants (I sent him some AoE chariots - and other AoE figures). I'll extract the Elephant images from AoE and send them to you in a ZIPped format. Are you ok with my sending them to your E-mail address? If you think these images may be suitable for your purposes I can also send you the Chariot images (3 different types from what I remember).

I'll only send you the basic images (AoE uses 'Direct Draw' which means there are 'negative' images as well - presumably you won't need these for MTW) as opposed to all the images AoE requires for imaging these Elephants. If you decide to use them but have palette problems let me know - there are a couple of 'tricks' that may be convenient for direct draw images

Personally I'd love to see Elephants and Chariots in the mod your doing, and whilst some problems (re the MTW engine) are circumventable, other problems appear (at present and only IMHO) to be almost insurmountable.

BTW - if you have a copy of AoE it's pretty straightforward to extract these images if you have the right utilities. I gave LK some details re- what/where/how and I'll include this E-mail in the send (for future reference).

Let me know if your happy for me to E-mail you directly.

regards,
Welly

[Lord Black Adder]

Wellington posting to my @ will be fine.
I reashure you, that you will get first glimps of El in BIF
And thanks to your help again. LBA

[Lord Black Adder]

Roman map is nearly ready with Roman provinces in MAP TEX2. I dont know how long it will take to rename all countries in MTW folders or is it posible yet. I did run map in game and it displayed nicly. My home country is finaly caled ILIRICUM how it was for hundred years. Croatia name only exist since last century so we are close to more historical acruatcy. Sorry for English writing I newer thought I will be stacked IN Britan for that long

[Lion King]

are you guys modifying the LUKmap as well?
sounds like a good mod...

[Lord Black Adder]

Yes it would be nice to have all package, It is cool to see Macedonia in her full glory. LBA

[Wellington]

LBA,

Elephants ... you have mail .. and quite a bit

[NagatsukaShumi]

You editting the campaign map too huh. Good luck to you.

[Lord Black Adder]

Dear Nagatsuka I am responsible mostly and only for graphich art work on MTW mods. Adding Province names on map is simple proces but like I mention early Changing names in folders is diferent story.Surly LK or Wellington can work that out quite quickly.Another easy option is to keep original names on map with new Roman ones, for easyer cordination but that is open to yours opinion.LBA

[Wellington]

I've yet to see a new campaign map (with different provinces/areas) that works with the MTW Engine. A few people have been working on this (Giskard, Barocca and others) and there has been a lot of progress ... but to my knowledge no one has yet cracked this 100%

Note there is a vast difference between producing a new campaign map via some graphic editing program, and being able to incorporate this map within MTW (with all of the additional considerations).

If anyone has cracked this please let me know - and point me to the appropiate download.

[Wellington]

LBA,

Why does someone who resides in the "Elephant Free State" want Elephants?

Hhmm ... anyway, I sent you the images in 4 E-mails, around 500k each, but one of them keeps coming back to me (Mail SYstem Error - Returned Mail).

"Reason: Requested action not taken: exceeded storage allocation"

Does your ISP restrict your storage allocation? Maybe you have to get the ones I sent before I can send any more?

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Dec. 21 2002,11:45)]LBA,

Why does someone who resides in the "Elephant Free State" want Elephants?

Hhmm ... anyway, I sent you the images in 4 E-mails, around 500k each, but one of them keeps coming back to me (Mail SYstem Error - Returned Mail).

"Reason: Requested action not taken: exceeded storage allocation"

Does your ISP restrict your storage allocation? Maybe you have to get the ones I sent before I can send any more?
I'm the one that resides in the EFS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You can send your stuff to:
wellington@thelordz.co.uk

Elephant Chariot minor detail http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

As far as I know the reason no map changes yet
is that nobody has completed all the tasks.

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Wellington]

Confusion reigns

Am I talking to LBA or LK now? I presume it's LK ... so ...

Did LBA get the images I sent him? There were 4 E-mails containing Elephant images from AoE - each was around 500K. I "think" he must have received the 1, 3 and 4 E-mails. I'm still not sure about 2 one. I split the 2 one and sent it in two E-mails (each around 300K). Have you these now?

LK, (if I'm talking to LK now&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif I can do a bit more with these images in terms of placing them in several BMPs that align the various images over several frames correctly. Unlike MTW, AoE has different size rectangles across frames. I can correct this to provide equal sized rectangles for all images in a sequence (you know what I mean). This will make things a lot easier in terms of alignment. Otherwise it's a pisser trial and error job. Let me know and I'll do this for you - it WILL take a week or more however.

Also, do you want chariots? AoE provides 2 chariot images - a spearman and an archer.

Let me know.

[Lord Krazy]

Hi Welly,

Yes you doing all the work sounds like a great idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

LBA got your stuff alright, I was just giving you
a more central pickup point for us.
hold the chariots for know
The elephants will be fine for now.
I'm away for the next week or so anyway
and LBA has pleanty to do so your help
as alway bla,bla,bla ect,ect,ect http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Wellington]

Hhhmmm,

LK - nice to see your back However, why is it that nowadays you sound more like a Manager than a Moderator

Oh dear ... God forbid http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Lord Krazy]

Thanks,
not back for long alas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
My time has been scarce of late,
hence more asking than doing on my part.
This will be rectified in the new year.
I know I'v not been much of a moderator
so far http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif Nobody told me what I'm suposed
to do http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I'v just figured out what hhhmmm stands for
happy happy happy me me me
I can't keep up with this newspeak http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Lord Black Adder]

Welly hi
They are no managers in Lordz team I have been greatfull to LK to share knowlege of MODing, since he was doing hard workTHINKING
I was holding Paintbrush in one hand and tea in another, We have to combine our skills , With out a general you can hardly won a battle. Thanks for elephants I be in touch. LBA

Mybe one day we can create our own engine and game an learn
a living.

[Wellington]

"I know I'v not been much of a moderator
so far http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif Nobody told me what I'm suposed
to do"

ROTFL

Don't worry about it LK. Thats par for the course for any new job http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I once worked for a Software house in Germany (who shall remain nameless&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. I had a nice desk in my managers office. Every week I asked him what he wanted me to do - the reply was always the same "just settle yourself in". It was SIX MONTHS before he found me something to do. It's TRUE

At first I was'nt sure whether he did'nt like me, did'nt trust me or just did'nt give a damn I eventually ascertained he had employed me just to fill head counts (to ensure he got the same dept Budget next year), and I was being paid to do NOTHING - simply because there was NOTHING TO DO

God, I have some fun stories about THAT company http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

LK's back Excellent.

Anyways, I've just recieved the images for some Romans, lets just say http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif Nag http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Lord Krazy]

Thanks they will be
even better when they are finished http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

txt files soon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Excellente neighbourino.

[Lord Krazy]

A beta version of a Roman unit can be downloaded
from the testpage

TEST_Lordz_Beta_Bif.zip
Test_More_Roman_Bits_Bobs.zip

This is just a sample
but works enough to give you an idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Happy Christmas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The Lordz

[Grumpy]

Lord Krazy - "A beta version of a Roman unit can be downloaded from the testpage"

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif But I don't know where the test page is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Looking forward to seeing what you've done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Cheers

[NagatsukaShumi]

I got it in an e-mail cos I'm special http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif Nag http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Warriorofmight]

want to test them,too.
could you please mail me the testpage adresse to
g.poppek@t-online.de
tahnks

[Lord Black Adder]

soon you be able to get finished version of Roman legions
on downloads page in meantime we will send you beta version
LBA

[Warriorofmight]

salvete
will i get them now won't i??
hope i will get them soon

Alia iacta est

[Lord Krazy]

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/

TEST_Lordz_Beta_Bif.zip
Test_More_Roman_Bits_Bobs.zip


this is where you can get them
sorry for the vauge explanation.
I was in a hurry at the time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

LK

[Warriorofmight]

can`t find the second file

[Warriorofmight]

ok sorry found it great unit i'm looking forward to see more of them

[Lord Krazy]

Thank you,
however with the release of TW3 been romoured
for the final quater of 2003, it would be foolish
of us to continue making Roman units.We will
finish the ones we started but it would be futile
to compete with the pros.This is not our objective.

ECW and Napoleonic units will mostlikely be our
next main project.
For me this is the most frustrating part of modding.
Not knowing if your work will get binned before
it sees the light of day http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
I don't want to be around when LBA hears of this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Bah To TW3, I may have to cancel Path to Dark Ages. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Grumpy]

Lord Krazy - "however with the release of TW3 been romoured
for the final quater of 2003, it would be foolish
of us to continue making Roman units."

It's probably better to wait and see what Rome:TW covers before you lose heart completely. If the European sites are correct and TW3 is fully 3D then modding may be driven back to tinkering at the edges and the freedom that is available with MTW could be an asset.

"ECW and Napoleonic units will mostlikely be our
next main project."

I've started work on some 30YW/ECW Bifs, let me know if I can help. Below are some renders that I was going to replace the peasant to cover artillery, lighter pikemen, lighter halberdiers and umm... peasants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I was going to try using hats, helmets, caps as shields for greater variety.

Cheers

Grumpy.

http://home.ozconnect.net/victor/sample renders 2.jpg

[Lord Krazy]

Grumpy,
Very nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
If you need any help just ask.
Although you look like you don't http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Warriorofmight]

do you planing do make a lord of the rings mod, too??
i would be very cool to see orks und elves fighting each other anbd i thnik that many wants to play a lotr mod

[King David]

Quote[/b] (Lord Krazy @ Dec. 31 2002,11:52)]Thank you,
however with the release of TW3 been romoured
for the final quater of 2003, it would be foolish
of us to continue making Roman units.We will
finish the ones we started but it would be futile
to compete with the pros.This is not our objective.

ECW and Napoleonic units will mostlikely be our
next main project.
For me this is the most frustrating part of modding.
Not knowing if your work will get binned before
it sees the light of day http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
I don't want to be around when LBA hears of this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
I think you guys should finish what you started and don't loose heart. Anything could happen between now and Game release. I could use some help on my Patrician project since its already out and folks are actualy playing it. including me. My Barbarians could use some units and I could use some help with the unitprod11 file. I would like to make the Roman units exclusive for the Romans and Barbarian units exclusive to barbarians except the ubii cav i just created for the update. You guys do great work with those units, Dont let anyone discourage you. MTW still has lots to offer to us who enjoy moding it.

[Lord Krazy]

Hi KD,
making units exclusive to factions is easy
enough to do http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I'v not played your mod yet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
For one reason only, I'v not been
in the country for a couple of weeks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Thanks for the kind word.
It not a case of us being discouraged,
it's more a case of being practical.
We have many projects to choose from.
All worthy of attention IMO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
It's just that we don't want to do something
CA is doing.
A: it wont be as good
B: it would take as long nearly, to complete.

We will finish the units we started
and a barbarian for you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
but I can't see us doing all the things we intended.
We shall wait and see how things pan out.

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Lord Black Adder]

RomanCav is coming to light soon
LBA

[King David]

I've been waiting for this mod since last year. When are you guys releasing it ?

[NagatsukaShumi]

Path to the Dark Ages is pretty much dead now for the following reasons :-

-I'm not going to compete with CA when it's clear they'll win by miles.

-It will take a long time to get it to the level I want it to be for release, by then RTW will be a few monthes or weeks away.

-Without LK making units I'd fall VERY short of the goal.

That's about all I can think of why there's not much point continuing with the MOD, rest assured I'll look into doing something else non-roman related so that I can relax through the process without having to worry about RTW coming out soon dimming interest in the MOD.

[Díaz de Vivar]

Is the Roman Mod buried forever? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

I´d like your legionary unit, i have: roman.bif, roman_H.bif, and 2 files called romanlegion.bif. However i haven´t the txt files needed. Please, can you release this txt files?. Al least i´d like to complete this unit. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ICantSpellDawg]

oh man - i used to be interested in rome, but the interest slowly took the backburner as i got older, giving way to the medieval and pre/post world war 2 periods

this week, i rented I claudius and am HOOKED - i love movies that can re-juvinate old interests

if anyone here hasnt seen it it is a MUST. the story isnt true, but it helps the lay student understand the julio-claudian line perfectly - and that line can be very confusing

i cant wait for RTW

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Jan. 24 2003,02:15)]Is the Roman Mod buried forever? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

I´d like your legionary unit, i have: roman.bif, roman_H.bif, and 2 files called romanlegion.bif. However i haven´t the txt files needed. Please, can you release this txt files?. Al least i´d like to complete this unit. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Text file are available.
"roman bits and bobs"
or something like that.
These are just so you can get them to "work"
You can get them in the same place
as the bifs.

Wellington has agreeded to do the
weapons coords http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
and add some weapons.
This is not a good thing,
it's much better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
He's the best at this I'v seen so far,
including CA.He knows his job and enjoys it
so when he has done his thing We'll release
it.

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Díaz de Vivar]

Thanx, Lord Krazy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Wellington]

Hi Guys,

Just to confirm I shall be doing the final positioning for The Lords (LK/LBA/myself/others) New Roman Units. I was hoping to start work on these some days ago but I'm quite involved with the LMM project at present and want to ensure our group has some 'half working utility' that can be tested whilst I take a reast for coding.

To LK and LBA - my apologies it's taking so long for me to start on these. Anyway this is what I'm anticipating doing with the New Roman Units -

Era's
=====

Provide Roman Units for two distinct era's -

a) Camillan/Polybian era (circa 200BC - Hannibal&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
b) Republican era (circa 50BC to 100AD - Julius Ceaser)

The plates I have been passed by LK/LBA are excellent for providing various units based upon these 2 era's. The units possess helmets, breastplates and greaves which is great because I am anticipating producing 3 distinct plates (BIF's) from this one plate. This is also necessary as whilst the plates have a variety of actions associated with the images there is not a great deal of room for shields/weapons. Does'nt matter - the users can install whatever plates/units they wish on a mix and match basis.


Anticipated units are -

Camillan/Polybian Romans
------------------------

Triarii - Veteran Heavy infantry shield/sword/long spear
Principes - Heavy infantry shield/sword/pilum
Hastatii - Medium infantry shield/sword/pilum
Velites - light infantry round shield/sword/javelins

Possibly also a couple of Italian "Roman Allies" based on the Velites. For details/pictures of these types check the link -

http://www.homeaddy.fsbusiness.co.uk/polybian.htm


Republigan Romans
-----------------

Not fully decided on these yet. Different shields of course and no long spears. Maybe 2/3 different types based on similar shields designs together with allies (lot's more potential for Roman allied city states).


Conclusion
----------

How long before I start this. Hard to say. Maybe another week now but I'll update LK when I start and also after each each plate (2/3 plates maybe?) is finished.

Don't blame LK/LBA - they are waiting on me now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Welly

[King David]

Has anyone succeeded in creating chariots and or elephants as mounts yet ?

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (King David @ Jan. 27 2003,16:21)]Has anyone succeeded in creating chariots and or elephants as mounts yet ?
Not really feasible inMTW.

[Wellington]

A quick update,

I've started on The Lords Roman units now so expect the first units in a week or so.

Quick question - is anyone really (and I mean REALLY) interested in a full set of Roman units for MTW, or have people lost some interest in this ROman stuff and are now just waiting for RTW to arrive ?

(BTW: By a 'full set' this would mean replacing several of the BIFs - hence losing some MTW units if you wished to install such a set).

Welly

[Díaz de Vivar]

Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Feb. 15 2003,14:55)]A quick update,

I've started on The Lords Roman units now so expect the first units in a week or so.

Quick question - is anyone really (and I mean REALLY) interested in a full set of Roman units for MTW, or have people lost some interest in this ROman stuff and are now just waiting for RTW to arrive ?

(BTW: By a 'full set' this would mean replacing several of the BIFs - hence losing some MTW units if you wished to install such a set).

Welly
The first interested guy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Who are the 2º one? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[flip]

Very, very interested,
working here in equitums,
changing elmets and shields.