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I happened to have filled in a questionnaire about drugs, drug use,... And I was wondering what you guys experienced, what drugs you experimented with,...
It's not a discussion about policies, the war on drugs,.... There might have been a thread like this in the past. But I don't remember it (lets hope that's not drugs related), nor did I find one with, I have to admit, a rather quick search.
So except for the poll above. It would be nice to share each others adventures, and views on the various kinds of drugs. From the (once) commonly accepted ones such as alcohol and tobacco, to the typical soft drugs (weed, hash,...), party drugs, the nasty and harder kinds of drugs and even the unconventional (I-doser, electric pulse thingy,...).
But also why you'd took them or which one you might still want to try. But also how dangerous you think which drugs is. Advice, don'ts,... Effects they had on you,...
and of course funny anecdotes.
I hope this doesn't violate any forum rules. If so I'm sorry.
NOTE: it may not hurt to refer to your past experiences as if they were someone else's.
Edit: poll is not-public of course.
HoreTore
08-17-2010, 21:01
Drug list:
- Alcohol in various forms. WIN.
- Nicotine in various forms. Only snus and dip(if baked and used in upper lip) is WIN.
- Second hand pot smoke. Done it twice, didn't care to try inhaling because I was occupied with my delicious alcohol. The first time was at a nachspiel, and resulted in one of the worst hangovers I have experienced in my life. The second time was at a vorspiel, and resulted in me puking under Drammen bridge for about an hour before calling mommy to get me back home.... Epic fail.
Now eagerly awaiting Frags.
Tellos Athenaios
08-17-2010, 21:40
Various alcoholic beverages, that's it. I would not advise anyone to try raki or similar mixed with water, I had it once but plain raki tastes rather better.
Second hand (or whatever it's called) smoke etc. causes me headaches, and the foul smell makes me feel sick.
Rhyfelwyr
08-17-2010, 22:19
Voted 'Clean except for Tobacco and alcohol"
Although I only use alcohol out of those two. My best friend from school was very much anti-smoking, lung cancer wiped out half his family...
Seamus Fermanagh
08-18-2010, 00:23
Posters are advised to treat this thread with caution. Though talking about the subject is not, to my knowledge, illegal, be aware of your local laws regarding use of controlled substances and be aware that the .org does not have the privilege of clergy. Mention your use of such substances only at your own risk.
According to the tally so far, only a few of voters are smart and a couple others have sense.
And some one ruined the tally by clicking "clean" and a bunch of drugs on-top. They get the dunce card.
Louis VI the Fat
08-18-2010, 00:37
I run this cocaine business together with this Irish guy in Yorktown.
I do most of the shipping, my mate Seamus then distributes the illegal substances to his students. Many of our clients are minors, a fact of which Seamus is very well aware. He personally hands them the drugs. We get them addicted, then they sell our products for us. Cocaine, XTC, crack. Man, we make so much money. The cops in Virginia are really stupid, they'll never investigate us, so I might as well brag we made $1.5 million last year alone, of which not a single dime in taxes went to the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Tellos Athenaios
08-18-2010, 01:09
According to the tally so far, only a few of voters are smart and a couple others have sense.
And some one ruined the tally by clicking "clean" and a bunch of drugs on-top. They get the dunce card.
It's just like a real poll!!
Crazed Rabbit
08-18-2010, 01:33
I drink a little; lower than the recommended amount for health purposes (1 drink/day on average).
Smoked a cigar once; didn't care for it.
CR
I've drank maybe a shotglass's worth of alcohol in my life; never smoked or done any drugs. I might give brandy a try when I turn 21, but it's more likely than not that I'll just hate it like I did every other time I tried beer.
Rhyfelwyr
08-18-2010, 01:55
According to the tally so far, only a few of voters are smart and a couple others have sense.
Hard to tell exactly what you're saying, but IIRC you said you don't drink at all in an earlier thread... what's so bad with drinking some alcohol?
I've drank maybe a shotglass's worth of alcohol in my life; never smoked or done any drugs. I might give brandy a try when I turn 21, but it's more likely than not that I'll just hate it like I did every other time I tried beer.
I take it back. I just tried my mom's berry tequila smoothie and gagged on it. Alcohol and me just don't get along.
Hard to tell exactly what you're saying, but IIRC you said you don't drink at all in an earlier thread... what's so bad with drinking some alcohol?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking
According to the tally so far, only a few of voters are smart and a couple others have sense.
And some one ruined the tally by clicking "clean" and a bunch of drugs on-top. They get the dunce card.
Nope the guy who checked those boxes didn't vote that he was clean.
HoreTore
08-18-2010, 06:13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking
Your making me thirsty....
Anyway, it's the first day of school for me today; that means a full week of drinking.... Yay!
Sasaki Kojiro
08-18-2010, 06:30
I take it back. I just tried my mom's berry tequila smoothie and gagged on it. Alcohol and me just don't get along.
It's an acquired taste. A few weeks drinking maybe.
Also, "Berry tequila smoothie" sounds horrible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking
He said: "Some alcohol" not "bucketloads of alcohol".
Also, "Berry tequila smoothie" sounds horrible.
Anything with tequila is likely horrible. Try a tequila suicide: Snort the salt, splash the lemon juice in your eye and then down the shot.
Centurion1
08-18-2010, 06:57
Jabarto do you have female genitalia if so continue drink Berry tequila Smoothies if not go do some pushups to appease the man gods
Also, "Berry tequila smoothie" sounds horrible.
It tastes horrible too.
Jabarto do you have female genitalia if so continue drink Berry tequila Smoothies if not go do some pushups to appease the man gods
I think the favor of the man gods waved bye bye to me a long time ago. :I
Tried most of the regular stuff, be careful with GHB it makes you EXTREMILY horney heh, now drinks and sometimes a sticky. I don't say no to some cocaine at party's.
I voted the first two, the second applies since I drink alcohol, don't smoke myself though, the first applies in the sense that I never tried anything else and don't plan to.
My advice is not to drink half a bottle of tequila on an empty stomach, in that particular night I made it to the bathroom the first time but after the second time I had to clean the "hallway" of my flat, luckily it's not carpet...
Oh and no, I wasn't even drunk enough to be unable to clean it properly. That's it, I learned my lesson and shall now open the "don't drink tequila on an almost empty stomach"-foundation to help others not to make the same mistake and to raise tequila on empty stomach awareness.
Otherwise I haven't made any really bad experiences, except with others who cannot/do not want to control themselves anymore after drinking but that's mostly related to really dirty floors and toilets on parties...
CountArach
08-18-2010, 09:54
I don't smoke (asthmatic and some very bad experiences in the family with smokers), but I do drink quite often. I've had pot a few times and I had some really mixed experiences with it, the most recent of which was one of the most horrible feelings in my life (being drunk before having it was probably not the most clever idea I've ever had). I don't plan on having it again in the near future and might just stop it altogether now. Alcohol is enough for me.
InsaneApache
08-18-2010, 09:58
Never had a drink of alcohol. Never had tobacco. Never had illegal drugs. Never had sex outside of marriage. Never told a lie.
Meneldil
08-18-2010, 10:14
I tried weed a few times, makes me sick (like tobacco).
I drink more or less regularly, though I try to avoid having more than one beer a day : I've seen people turning into stinky retard drunkards pretty quickly. Get wasted every once in a while.
rory_20_uk
08-18-2010, 10:18
Cannabis on less than 10 occasions at med school, but none since. I quite liked it, especially to eat. Pleasant to have whilst chatting with one's friends. Currently got too much to loose if was ever found under the influence.
Alcohol is either cider or G&T (ice, twist of lime), preferably sitting in a lather backed chair in a gentleman's club in Pall Mall or St James's Square (I'm a member of neither, but have friends who are).
~:smoking:
Major Robert Dump
08-18-2010, 10:28
Everything once.
My drug of choice is beige spray paint
Hosakawa Tito
08-18-2010, 10:47
Never had a drink of alcohol. Never had tobacco. Never had illegal drugs. Never had sex outside of marriage. Never told a lie.
Yeah, I was raised in a monastery too.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/hoppy84/nun-31329.jpg
Removed offending picture.
Smokey's friends decided it was time to set up an intervention.
On the question, am clean of drugs, always have been clean except on doctor's orders.....don´t see that changing in the foreseeable future.
Cute Wolf
08-18-2010, 12:44
Never had a drink of alcohol. Never had tobacco. Never had illegal drugs. Never had sex outside of marriage. Never told a lie.
me too, except the Alcoholic drinks thingie of course, alcohols are good for your heart...
Vladimir
08-18-2010, 13:04
I run this cocaine business together with this Irish guy in Yorktown.
I do most of the shipping, my mate Seamus then distributes the illegal substances to his students. Many of our clients are minors, a fact of which Seamus is very well aware. He personally hands them the drugs. We get them addicted, then they sell our products for us. Cocaine, XTC, crack. Man, we make so much money. The cops in Virginia are really stupid, they'll never investigate us, so I might as well brag we made $1.5 million last year alone, of which not a single dime in taxes went to the Commonwealth of Virginia.
:balloon:
@Major Robert Dump: Are you serious? Your mate used heroin and crack too? Personally I'd never do those, because of them being highly addictive. Didn't your mate experience them to be like that?
@Frag: yes so I've heard. Did your friend never had problems with passing out on GHB?
SWIM's best experience was using magic truffels (those dragon somthing kind, I can't remember but they were the strongest they had) in Amsterdam's red light distrcit, together with some friends. With some sitters obviously. As tripping in the middle of a city and in plain sight is normally not the best of ideas. Damn that was strange, chaotic yet fun. Especially the mass of people, the light and the well almost naked girls. That was a rather different experience than just at home, or in the woods listening to some dubstep. At least that's what SWIM told me.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-18-2010, 15:34
Posters are advised to treat this thread with caution. Though talking about the subject is not, to my knowledge, illegal, be aware of your local laws regarding use of controlled substances and be aware that the .org does not have the privilege of clergy. Mention your use of such substances only at your own risk.
Amen! Hate to get busted by some person coming across this forum!:laugh4:
Don't use SWIM btw. Cops aren't that stupid when it comes down to that usage btw. Trust me on that.
Never had a drink of alcohol. Never had tobacco. Never had illegal drugs. Never had sex outside of marriage. Never told a lie.
That's the official version, right? :inquisitive:
Amen! Hate to get busted by some person coming across this forum!:laugh4:
Don't use SWIM btw. Cops aren't that stupid when it comes down to that usage btw. Trust me on that.
The use of those substances are not illegal in Amsterdam. ~:)
Skullheadhq
08-18-2010, 16:00
No alcohol, no drugs, no coffee, no nothing.
The use of those substances are not illegal in Amsterdam. ~:)
Drugs are not legal in Amsterdam, they just choose not to punish you for them. Portugal on the other-hand, is legal. Probably explains why Jolt is a happy and fun character.
johnhughthom
08-18-2010, 16:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking
From that article:
"in the USA, the term is often taken to mean consuming five or more standard drinks (male), or four or more drinks (female), in about two hours for a typical adult. In the United Kingdom, binge drinking is defined as drinking more than twice the daily limit, that is, drinking eight units or more for men or six units or more for women."
If that's the case, in Ireland a "binge-drinker" would be called a teetotaller...
Drugs are not legal in Amsterdam, they just choose not to punish you for them. Portugal on the other-hand, is legal. Probably explains why Jolt is a happy and fun character.
Drugs are not legal in Portugal.
Consumption is de-criminalized....which isn´t exactly the same thing.
Drugs are not legal in Amsterdam, they just choose not to punish you for them. Portugal on the other-hand, is legal. Probably explains why Jolt is a happy and fun character.
No, the substaces I was talking about can be bought legal. That and certain designerdrugs. Like mephedrone used to be untill recently.
Drugs are not legal in Amsterdam, they just choose not to punish you for them. Portugal on the other-hand, is legal. Probably explains why Jolt is a happy and fun character.
It's national policy all city's have coffeeshops, live above one, Amsterdam is boring nowdays, socialism killed it's spirit. You aren't even allowed to drink a beer while standing, if you don' sit the owner gets a fine, For whatever reason. And the junta makes sure these fines are collected, they have a special unit to photograph offenders. Has been that one, was sooo awesome Don't buy a second house there by the way, they will just take it from you and force you to rent it to degenerates, for 500 euro a month at best while the bank wants 1200 for a 200.000 appartment,.
No one is going to arrest you coming across this forum. The paranoia is amazing here. Do you know how hard it is to find out who someone is based on a forum post?
That being said I've smoked pot and tried mushrooms while in Amsterdam (legal). Mushrooms were cool, but I don't see myself trying it more than a few times. I used to drink a lot, but really have cut down as I don't find it enjoyable anymore and it destroys my mind/body. I smoke cigars on occasion, and maybe one cigarette every month.
Edit: I stay far away, but you forgot to add painkillers to the list, Moros. I've known plenty of good people who have ruined their lives over such things.
No one is going to arrest you coming across this forum. The paranoia is amazing here. Do you know how hard it is to find out who someone is based on a forum post?
That being said I've smoked pot and tried mushrooms while in Amsterdam (legal). Mushrooms were cool, but I don't see myself trying it more than a few times. I used to drink a lot, but really have cut down as I don't find it enjoyable anymore and it destroys my mind/body. I smoke cigars on occasion, and maybe one cigarette every month.
Edit: I stay far away, but you forgot to add painkillers to the list, Moros. I've known plenty of good people who have ruined their lives over such things.
Normally nobdoy is indeed going to arrest you for forum posts. But it is best not to tell about buying or selling.
Also you might be right about painkillers. But there are only max. 30 options and I think I used them all. So I guess they should be under other. I also noticed I forgot Morphine. It's hard to make a long detailled list out o fo nothing and not forget a few.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-18-2010, 20:26
No one is going to arrest you coming across this forum. The paranoia is amazing here. Do you know how hard it is to find out who someone is based on a forum post?
That being said I've smoked pot and tried mushrooms while in Amsterdam (legal). Mushrooms were cool, but I don't see myself trying it more than a few times. I used to drink a lot, but really have cut down as I don't find it enjoyable anymore and it destroys my mind/body. I smoke cigars on occasion, and maybe one cigarette every month.
Edit: I stay far away, but you forgot to add painkillers to the list, Moros. I've known plenty of good people who have ruined their lives over such things.
Can you say "IP address"?
:laugh4::idea2:
Can you say "IP address"?
:laugh4::idea2:
If only you knew what you were talking about. They can trace the IP address right back to your ISP, but usually need a court order or intense pressure on your ISP to reveal who you are. You think they are going to go through all that trouble because you said you smoke pot on an internet gaming forum? Furthermore, what if the IP is traced to household with 8 individuals. Who was responsible? I'm sure you knew all this though.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-18-2010, 20:43
I'm leave it at that Ice.
I already got phonecalls from 5 girls who told me that the puke story on the org was really disgusting and I should be ashamed of myself... :sweatdrop:
Which drugs do people consider dangerous? And how much has that influenced your choice of not taking it?
Which drugs do people consider dangerous? And how much has that influenced your choice of not taking it?
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May I interviene with my splendid drug history without derailing the thread? I don't care, I will derail it anyway!
-Chain smoker
-Tea addict
-Former alcoholic, clean now
-Pot head in college, will still smoke it occasionaly if available. Once smoked a joint tipped with hash, what a high!
-Shrooms are like zen, at least that is how I remember it.
-Made a bid for opium, alas, to no avail. I got a description once however, she said it makes you feel 'melty'.
That's it, sorry if I was late with a drug sum.
Which drugs do people consider dangerous? And how much has that influenced your choice of not taking it?
GHB heh, and Moros you naughty, I would never do such a thing. Normally.
Cannabis is the most dangerous drug probably, mostly because it's considered to be harmless. Heard some horror stories about meth, but it just isn't here.
rory_20_uk
08-19-2010, 10:21
What is one to base which is the most "dangerous"?
Toxicity - acute / chronic
Heroin might kill in minutes, but long term effects of pure heroin are marginal
Alcohol might kill in minutes, but will also kill in years.
Addictiveness
The more so the greater the risk of continuing to take it.
Potential harm to others
Either due to intentional damage (drunken fights), unintentional damage (drunk driving / affects of hallucinations)
Method of delivery
PO / IV / PR / SC / Inhaled / Topical - very different risk profile
Concurrent material
Either impurities (heroin / bootleg alcohol) or intentional material (cannabis with tobacco)
Other variables
Infectious diseases / infections.
In the UK there have been lists of substances that try and sort out these variables.
~:smoking:
Not all drugs are good. Some are great!
GHB heh, and Moros you naughty, I would never do such a thing. Normally.
Cannabis is the most dangerous drug probably, mostly because it's considered to be harmless. Heard some horror stories about meth, but it just isn't here.
That's because it is harmless. I'd be willing to see your point of view though. I have sources that can back mine.
That's because it is harmless. I'd be willing to see your point of view though. I have sources that can back mine.
Nothing that is addictive is harmless. I use Cannabis, and I've got alot of friends using it. One more than the other. Saying it is harmless is ignorant (I don't want to be offenisve) and reckless. There are sme minor dangerous connected with them, sensible use can easily contain these. But that doesn't mean they're harmless. Especially considering how many people are sensible these days. One can perfectly consume alcohol without any harm, but is it harmless? I don't think so. The biggest mistake one can make is using it a lot and getting the feeling that it is harmless. It is not.
I know users both heavy and light of cannabis who never had problems with it. But I know others as well.
Don't take me wrong I'm not pro it being illegal. But I'm pro informing and sensibilsation. Same with alcohol and many other things. Personally I feel some drugs are made to believe more dangerous than they are, while others are really underestimated. Take cafeine and alcohol for example.
Toxicity - acute / chronic
Heroin might kill in minutes, but long term effects of pure heroin are marginal
I remember my Chemistry teacher in school bringing in an article about Heroin, I forget the reasoning behind why, something to do with Chemistry. And it used an example of a Doctor with access to pure heroin who injected everyday (or almost everyday) for his entire life. He lived for 80+ years. And only after he died did his family and friends find out he was an addict. Crazy.
Which drugs do people consider dangerous? And how much has that influenced your choice of not taking it?
Any that are physically addictive and are difficult to determine purity. Those are the ones to stay away from. Once you wade through all the spin and read established independent medical articles on all the angles you really should decide for yourself.
That's because it is harmless. I'd be willing to see your point of view though. I have sources that can back mine.
No it's not, if you are prone for mental illness ir's death in disguise. NOT harmless, not at all. There are plenty studies that link psychosis directly to the use of cannabis.
No it's not, if you are prone for mental illness ir's death in disguise. NOT harmless, not at all. There are plenty studies that link psychosis directly to the use of cannabis.
I've read hundreds, seriously hundreds of reports on pot and the only ones I have ever read that make these claims are either a) government scare tactics or b) are fundementally flawed in their approaches, test measures, sample sizes, dosages, etc.
There is enough evidence currently to draw potential links with it exacerbating mental issues. BUT, if you do not have mental issues or are not prone to mental issues, then it is HIGHLY unlikely that it will cause mental issues to suddenly occur. Don't believe the spin Frags. If you don't have mental illness, and don't have a history of it in your family you will be fine. There's more chance that you'll die in a car accident today. If you have mental illness of any kind then it is advisable to steer clear.
I suggest you read:
Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.
Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.
Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.
Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.
Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.
The other funny MYTH is that it shrinks the penis. Hilarious. But, 100% false. It does reduce sex drive while you are high, but not for extended periods.
The only legitamate negatives: Smoking something, regardless of what it is, is bad for your lungs, weed doesn't have as many nasty chemicals when it burns, but carbon is a carcinogen and isn't the best thing to inhale directly. It can make you content with being bored, but again that is more of a personal issue, than weed itself.
No it's not, if you are prone for mental illness ir's death in disguise. NOT harmless, not at all. There are plenty studies that link psychosis directly to the use of cannabis.
There MAY BE a link to psychosis, but if you read most of the studies, there is no direct correlation and scientists are still strugling to come with a rational explanation. Besides, this very rare.
My other favorite is "anything breathed into your lungs is bad". That's a bunch of bull. Harvard did a study and found that cannabis actually PREVENTED some cancers. In addition, they test a group of subjects, one man who smoked 11 ozes a month or some ubsurd number over a long period of time, and it was found his lungs actually functioned better than 100%.
The cons about cannabis is that it can make you lazy, and it fills a void in the lives of some of its users. I'd consider that fairly harmless comapred to booze, excessive caffine, and nicotine.
Peasant Phill
08-19-2010, 19:44
I used to do weed on a recreational basis. Tried mushrooms once. But the most dangerous drug I tried until now was hard liquour IMHO. It's the only time I had a black-out (One moment I was at a party the next moment I was outside making out with some girl).
There MAY BE a link to psychosis, but if you read most of the studies, there is no direct correlation and scientists are still strugling to come with a rational explanation. Besides, this very rare.
My other favorite is "anything breathed into your lungs is bad". That's a bunch of bull. Harvard did a study and found that cannabis actually PREVENTED some cancers. In addition, they test a group of subjects, one man who smoked 11 ozes a month or some ubsurd number over a long period of time, and it was found his lungs actually functioned better than 100%.
The cons about cannabis is that it can make you lazy, and it fills a void in the lives of some of its users. I'd consider that fairly harmless comapred to booze, excessive caffine, and nicotine.
There is also a problem with acute mental health wards being full of cannabis users as well. Majority of them are cannabis users, and it is actually quite concerning. If you had a hospital ward full of people who smoked cannabis being the only connection between them and their symptons, it is as the expression goes "There can't be smoke without fire".
While colleration doesn't mean causation, it is still quite a concern.
There MAY BE a link to psychosis, but if you read most of the studies, there is no direct correlation and scientists are still strugling to come with a rational explanation. Besides, this very rare.
The major issue is that there is a thing called toxic psychosis, which is fairly straightforward, psychosis due to a build up of chemicals. It can be caused by many chemicals, even those native to our own bodies. Toxic psychosis only lasts as long as the chemicals are in your system. So a heavy user may display "psychosis" like symptoms, but it is actually temporary in nature. Many older studies took this toxic psychosis to be full-blown psychosis, and thus it has gone down as fact. When, it was actually just poor experimentation and diagnosis.
There is also a problem with acute mental health wards being full of cannabis users as well. Majority of them are cannabis users, and it is actually quite concerning. If you had a hospital ward full of people who smoked cannabis being the only connection between them and their symptons, it is as the expression goes "There can't be smoke without fire".
Laughable concept. I'd love hard evidence to back up your claims. If you can find one reliable source (not a .gov website, not a newspaper, a reliable medical journal) where:
1) Person had no mental illness history
2) No mental illness in the family for 3 generations
3) Smoked pot
4) Gained mental illness that isn't explained by toxic psychosis
Then I'd be impressed.
But the most dangerous drug I tried until now was hard liquour IMHO. It's the only time I had a black-out (One moment I was at a party the next moment I was outside making out with some girl).
So are you arguing for or against hard liquor? :inquisitive: Was she cute?
Laughable concept. I'd love hard evidence to back up your claims. If you can find one reliable source (not a .gov website, not a newspaper, a reliable medical journal) where:
1) Person had no mental illness history
2) No mental illness in the family for 3 generations
3) Smoked pot
4) Gained mental illness that isn't explained by toxic psychosis
Then I'd be impressed.
Well, there is a couple of issues.
1) Depends on if they had prior contact with the mental health service or not. Generally it is not.
2) Again, depends on if they are recorded to have or not. There are very many cases where there isn't.
3) They do. (in this particular example)
4) Generally it is psychosis and schizophrenia.
This is personal contact with patients medical records as my sources.
I am not out to criminalise cannabis or make people do the cross when they hear it, I am just saying what is there, and that is, there are mental hospitals full of people who have used cannabis. (past tense, as it is very hard for them to access it while in an acute mental health ward)
As I said, it might not be causation, but it is disturbing when a high amount of people that do smoke it are on there, and I know of people who have smoked it recreationally show many of the symptons of various illnesses, which could be explained by toxic psychosis which ends up accumilating into a more permanent result.
So strong correlation between Cannabis use and Mental Illness, that much cannot be denied. However, does cannabis cause mental illness? That much isn't shown yet, and being honest, the cause of a mental illness is very hard to prove because of our limited knowledge of the human brain.
InsaneApache
08-19-2010, 23:11
That's the official version, right? :inquisitive:
Mope beed clead all mi lfe. oH srorry I gotmu jurds all wumbled up. :book:
HoreTore
08-20-2010, 02:31
I already got phonecalls from 5 girls who told me that the puke story on the org was really disgusting and I should be ashamed of myself... :sweatdrop:
Yeah sorry 'bout that, that was....well, me.
But I can do pretty good female impressions, right??
Yeah sorry 'bout that, that was....well, me.
But I can do pretty good female impressions, right??
I want you, tight now, right here...
If you are a loaded gun cannabis can be the trigger, maybe it's the other way around and people with mental problems turn to pot, it's possible of course. But Beskie is right a connection between the two exists.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 10:41
Alcohol causes liver disease
Smoking causes lung disease
I've massively shortened the list of known toxic side effects.
Are these two somehow less important?
Whether cannabis is causative or correlative I don't know, nor in what quantities one needs to have systemically - but even if it does, it's hardly alone in the list of substances that are legal that are bad for you.
~:smoking:
So strong correlation between Cannabis use and Mental Illness, that much cannot be denied. However, does cannabis cause mental illness? That much isn't shown yet, and being honest, the cause of a mental illness is very hard to prove because of our limited knowledge of the human brain.
Do you know the proportion of Schitzophrenics who smoke tobbacco? Over 85%! And of those the majority smoke the highest tar/nicotine cigs they can find. Sometimes even finding specialist shops that stock such brands. Cause? Correlation? Self medication?
http://www.schizophrenia.com/smoke/schizophrenia.smoking.res.htm
Drugs aren't good for you. But humans enjoy drugs. Making drugs illegal causes more problems than the drugs themselves. One day we will wake up and realise this.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 13:09
Well said!
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Problem is that certain drugs are made out to be harmless while they are not. I am for legalising myself, but the nannie-state is a problem here. Once you give th go people will go because the nannie-state is too fixed in our minds. If the government allows it must be harmless. Every risk they must have taken into consideration. But they didn't. You can't fight the war on drugs, legalising it goes on a very long list of efforts.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 13:40
There might be some true idiots that die, but that is a price I am prepared to say. If you can purchase something with a massive sticker on (similar to cigarettes) saying HEROIN KILLS and you die then it did exactly what it said on the tin.
Those with enough brain cells to rub together will quickly adapt ao aworld where they have to think and take personal repsonsibility for more aspects of their life.
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There might be some true idiots that die, but that is a price I am prepared to say. If you can purchase something with a massive sticker on (similar to cigarettes) saying HEROIN KILLS and you die then it did exactly what it said on the tin.
Those with enough brain cells to rub together will quickly adapt ao aworld where they have to think and take personal repsonsibility for more aspects of their life.
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War on dugs isn't about drugs, that sorry fool will get die anyway. What will crime syndicates move onto if you legalise drugs, it will get much worse both in violence and government corruption but on a much bigger scale as government will have to make deals, you still have to deal with the same syndicates for supply and they will fight for their position and it's ugly enough as it is, better to leave things as they are and accept a little hypocracy. War on drugs is a war on human nature, nobody ever fixed that. It's way too late to even consider it.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 14:22
Governments in the USA somehow manage to get heroin, morphine, amphetamines and cannabis with ease and without dealing with criminal gangs.
All are cheap to manufacture - it's only the fact it's illegal that raises the price.
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Governments in the USA somehow manage to get heroin, morphine, amphetamines and cannabis with ease and without dealing with criminal gangs.
All are cheap to manufacture - it's only the fact it's illegal that raises the price.
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If they legalise it they will have to deal with them, openly. The same guys who don't shy away from slicing the throats of children, and who control parts of Mexico the police wouldn't dream entering unless they are armed to the teeth. Wan't to discus rates with them? You would have to. You would undermine Mexico's government, that is not in USA's interests.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 14:40
Why?
No neex to purchase any drugs from Mexico.
Opium is a major crop in Afghanistan. Buy the stuff from them.
Cannabis grows in most temperate climates. Grow it in the USA; Cocaine isn't much more difficult.
Amphetamines can easily be made in a lab. Only a few would be required for the whole of the USA market. If you're worried about gangs, build the damn things in military bases.
So, either use it as a tool to help other countries by paying farmers direct for the raw material or just make the whole lot in the USA.
Mexico is merely the jumping off point for the drugs. Most aren't made / grown there. And suddenly the drug lords are fighting for routes that the prfit margins have gone down by 90%
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Yeah that's possible, but a lot more effort for the end-user than they actually deserve don't you think? Things aren't perfect, there is a certain balance and it's ugly. Messing with it will make it worse though, can't really do anything about the shadow economy. Gangs won't go away they will move on to something else, so will drug cartels.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 15:10
Effort for the end user? How is going to a Pharmacy difficult? Especially when one gets a pure substance with clean equipment.
I'm sure gangs will adapt. But the Triads went through their biggest growth phase after heroin and opium were made illegal in Hong Kong. No need ot give them markets as they'll have others anyway.
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Effort for the end user? How is going to a Pharmacy difficult? Especially when one gets a pure substance with clean equipment.
I'm sure gangs will adapt. But the Triads went through their biggest growth phase after heroin and opium were made illegal in Hong Kong. No need ot give them markets as they'll have others anyway.
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Will adapt how, and what for? What would you achieve by actually legalising. Portugal is smart they just decriminalise the sorry junkie at the end of the line. You simply can't fight this, kudos to Portugal.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 15:25
Legalise as:
Gangs loose massive source of revenue
Reduces rates of disease transmitted by dirty syringes etc
Increases revenue to state both from selling the drugs as well as profits from the companies themselves.
Decreases expenditure on Narco police / customs
Takes a pressure off failed states as gangs loose all the revenue to bribe persons.
Drugs are purer, so less hospitalisations from side effects
Reduces prices - less crime to pay for it.
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Gangs and cartels will fight over somethings else, it's about territory they fight drugs or no drugs, it is most likely to become insanily violent if they have to. Why not keep it as it is, that junkie is there anyway, legal or not.
I don't see the cartels as strong enough to resist a legalisation for long, sooner or later legal companies will sell the drugs at far lower market prices, completely undermining the cartel profits, the fewer profits they make, the harder they will have it, maybe they will move on to other business but if there is so much profit to be made in other business, why aren't they doing that already?
I just don't think they can afford fighting governments all over the world for long without those huge profits from their drug trade. And just because they can wreak havoc in some parts of Mexico doesn't mean they can endanger the world.
As a sidenote you also help alleviate the problems in Afghanistan if you buy their drugs, it undermines the Taliban who are atm the only ones letting farmers grow them and gives those farmers some legitimate income to work with.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 15:49
Territory has to have value. They don't fight over ownership of the Gobi dessert. Oh, gangs will be with us, and I'd imagine that prostitution and people smuggling would be growth areas (so... legalise prostitution).
In the c. 1700's, smuggling was rife in the UK. They massively reduced it by... reducing import tariffs.
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Kidding me? These cartels easily outbudget the people fighting them 10:1. Mexican police can do nada these are states within states, they behead families of politicians who even lift a finger against them.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 16:00
Why fixate on Mexico?
If drugs are legal and available in Wall Mart, why bother with dodgy dealers?
Suddenly the Dons in Mexico control routes with nothing to supply. OK, so they can bring guns into Mexico for small margins and immigrants to the USA, but the profits on drugs has gone.
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Regulation done right costs money, so they can do it cheaper. Won't make it go away, just lower the price. Can't win this.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 16:23
Cutting the margins in itself is a massive win. There are bootleg cigarettes, but the majority buy legal ones as they're also safer. Same with alcohol. Also if one method of purchase is legal and another isn't, some will pay the slight premium to do things legally.
Doing it cheaper when they're still having to outwit customs isn't going to be easy - and there is a firm pressure on prices to boot.
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What do you have to win, getting to say that it's legal that's all. If you are being pragmatic that really isn't worth the trouble.
rory_20_uk
08-20-2010, 16:41
AS I specified, the country can win a fair amount of extra revenue, as well as either savings or redeployment of other resources.
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Sure some, but it isn't going to change anything, so why such draconian meassures? Things are fine, the mob is scum and junks are useless, always have been.
Whether cannabis is causative or correlative I don't know, nor in what quantities one needs to have systemically - but even if it does, it's hardly alone in the list of substances that are legal that are bad for you.
That is pretty much what I have been saying.
Personally, I think we should legalise it, and put taxs on the products which go straight into funding the healthcare, rehabiliation and actively advertising the negative side-effects.
Strike For The South
08-24-2010, 17:27
Good baptists don't drink, dance, or chew and don't go with girls that do.
Enjoy yalls time in Hell >:(
HoreTore
08-24-2010, 18:36
Good baptists don't drink, dance, or chew and don't go with girls that do.
Enjoy yalls time in Hell >:(
Don't worry Strike, I'll save you a seat ~;)
Arthur, king of the Britons
08-24-2010, 21:08
I had a glass of wine when I was 9, it was in a dark room and I thought it was my Coca-Cola...
Tellos Athenaios
08-24-2010, 23:01
On the subject of taking “drugs” while you are not aware of it... I was two, it was a wedding and I had managed to give my parents and find the drinks. Bright, colourful drinks: looked like lemonade, tasted like lemonade and I ended up so drunk I was violently sick afterwards.
Strike For The South
08-25-2010, 16:25
Don't worry Strike, I'll save you a seat ~;)
<3.
LittleGrizzly
08-30-2010, 05:20
Nothing too hard, a hell of a lot of weed, nicotine and caffiene. Haven't got drunk since march '09, had about 3 beers since then.
I have taken cocaine, e (think i missed voting for that one), amphetamines, all quite nice and enjoyable once in a while though cocaine is really not worth it for the money...
Something called salvia divinorum (sp?) though i never hallucinated off the stuff, I did feel a little strange and suddenly had a sweat come on, kind of wasn't sure where I was and forgot that it was my friend sitting next to me, though i still reconised the guy opposite me (friend of a friend) my friends had some cool hallucinations though, one even felt like he left the room got taken to a black empty space and saw some cool stuff (was a while back) he could see the room we were in in the distance.
and only once I tried ketamine, not intentionally either. A friend of a friend pulled up to me and my friends and started offering out lines of coke, whilst also taking them himself, there was some giggling going on so i figured something was up but as he and others were taking it I thought it should be fine (he tricked the four of us that were there)
So we all had a few lines and stood around dazed for what seemed like hours (was only 20-30 mins!) it wasn't really enjoyable, I didn't dislike it but there was also nothing to reccomend it, It just slows you down physically (rather than mentally like weed)I was also sick but it wasn't a horrible being sick, I simply realised I needed to be sick and was there was no nasty sick feeling
The one I do have a lot of bad experiences with is Alcohol, I have never really suffered after effects on the other drugs even the 'come downs' people always complain about with Amphetamines (Im simply tired after staying up all night, no worse than after an all nighter without amphetamines) but I rarely seem to get away with having a drink consequence free...
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