M2TW 1.3 Hotseat - Glorious Achievements (Completed, winner Silvershield)

[phonicsmonkey]

https://i35.tinypic.com/wqvtw4.jpg

(graphics by Quirl al-Mustafa Mubarak)

*The game is completed and Silvershield is the winner - congratulations Silvershield!*

This is a hotseat game in vanilla M2TW 1.3, with eleven human players as follows:

1: England - Zim (formerly barcamartin)
2. HRE - Myth (formerly TriforceV) RIP turn 38
3. Spain - Thanatos Eclipse
AI. Venice
4. Sicily - Cecil XIX (formerly Pranas, Zim) - RIP
AI. Milan - (formerly phonicsmonkey) - RIP turn 7
5. Scotland - Visorslash - RIP turn 8
AI. Byzantine Empire
AI. Russia
AI. Moors
6. Turks - phonicsmonkey (formerly Password)
7. Egypt - Visorslash (formerly Quirl al Mustafa Mubarak)
AI. Denmark - (formerly Kavhan Isbul)
AI. Portugal
AI. Poland
8. Hungary - SilverShield
9. France - Nightbringer (formerly Tristan de Castelreng)

Additional players are welcome to join at any time on application to the GM (myself).

The aim of the game is to, within the 40 turn limit, complete as many as possible of the following list of achievements:

* Richest Faction
* Most income per turn Faction
* Most Populous Faction
* Largest Standing Army
* Largest Navy
* Most advanced Infantry recruitment building
* Most advanced Cavalry recruitment building
* Most advanced Artillery recruitment building
* Most advanced Archery recruitment building
* Most advanced religious building
* Most advanced Port
* Most advanced Trade building
* Most advanced Administrative (town hall) building
* Most advanced Spy/Assassin building
* Most advanced Armory building
* Most total number of guild buildings
* Greatest Population in one city
* Greatest Income from one city
* Greatest Public Order from one city
* Infrastructure: Most total number of advanced buildings (every additional tier is 1 point, every building is 1 point, total for faction)
* Most spies of any faction
* Most assassins of any faction
* Most merchants of any faction
* Most diplomats of any faction
* Most generals of any faction
* Most religious agents of any faction
* Highest Dread General
* Highest Chivalry General
* Highest Command General
* Highest Influence General
* Highest Loyalty General
* Most Alliances
* Original Borders
* Most Battles Won
* Most Cities Captured
* Most Generals slain
* Most factions defeated
* Most Cardinals/ Piety 5 Imams/Orthodox priests
* Most wars won against faction of another religion
* Highest experience general unit
* Highest experience non general unit
* Most merchant takeovers
* Most successful assassinations of non-AI characters (not including captains)

The GM will judge, at the turn limit and based on evidence in the form of screenshots provided by the players, which player has the most achievements and is therefore the winner.

In addition, the following rules should be observed:

- Players shall post a link to the save game in the main game thread and also send a private message to the next player in line to alert them that it is their turn. The save game file should follow the naming convention GA-turn number-faction (eg. GA-1-England)
- Each player has 48 hours from the time the link is posted to complete their turn and post the link for the next player in line.
- Battles can be fought or auto-resolved.
- Spies may not be used to open any gates: settlements, castles or forts.
- No reloading the save to repeat any action at all.
- No in-game crusades or jihads may be joined by any human player. If a crusade is called by the Pope it shall be ignored. Crusades and jihads which are role-played and do not use the in-game mechanic are permitted.
- No destroying buildings for cash in a city that's under siege.
- No fighting losing defensive battles on purpose in a besieged city, just to deny the invader the sacking option.
- No exploits, including (but not limited to): no merchant forts, no surround and destroy, no tribute deals that deliberately put you into debt greater than 10k, no deliberate diplomatic exchange of territories just to get a free garrison, no tribute deals with or monetary gifts to the Pope.

If a player is in doubt about whether an in-game action is permissible he shall consult the GM who will make a ruling. Players are requested to compete in a good spirit and use their judgment and sense of fairness at all times.

If a player is suspected of cheating, please make a private report to the GM and avoid making a public accusation or resorting to flaming in the game thread or elsewhere.

Ok, here's (http://www.mediafire.com/?ao4ge3duabo3meg) the first save for barca - let's get this party started!

[SilverShield]

with u switching to rome and the hre being human ruled too i ll have to switch. would have liked to give hungary a shot but im not going to be the girl in middle position in a 3some with 2 major powers... i ll go for milan then instead

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Ya, but doesn't hungry have all that room to expand to the west and up. Poland and Russia shouldn't give you any problems. That's just my thinking though :)

[barcamartin]

Changed plans at work. I got home at around 4 AM, had time for about seven hours of sleep and then I was off to work again at noon. So, this will be delayed a bit more. If I have the power, I'll do it when I get home tonight. Otherwise, tomorrow morning.

[barcamartin]

Ok, the turn is done. However, I think I should point out that the game mode is currently set to auto-resolve only. I, at least, was unable to fight the battle for York myself. If that's the way we want it, fine by me. Otherwise, I guess I'll have to redo the turn once phonics gives me a new one.

France! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?o1sucmudjbvd5fe)

[SilverShield]

Ya, but doesn't hungry have all that room to expand to the west and up. Poland and Russia shouldn't give you any problems. That's just my thinking though :)

well if it was an ordinary campaign maybe but with the new achievement settings in place its not about expanding only anymore. all i d get out of expanding to russia and poland are mostly small towns and wooden castles thats all. wont go places like that really



i think it was field battles too

[phonicsmonkey]

yes it is supposed to be battles, not autoresolve

but for some reason unknown to me I can't get it to work - I have edited the preference file but it is not reading it and keeps over-writing it with default hotseat preferences

I don't know what to do except maybe someone else can try to start the game? if someone is willing please pm me and I'll tell you what I want the admin pw to be.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, use this save (http://www.mediafire.com/?x6d2rlz13saecjm) instead, sorry barca

btw everyone I'm still debating with silver over which faction he will play. originally I picked milan but when I saw the east was virtually empty, with just egypt and hungary competing for the whole of the levant, anatolia and greece, I switched to byzantium for the sake of balance

now silver says he wants to switch to milan! which sort of defeats the purpose...so I have offered to switch to turkey instead of byzantium and I hope he accepts that and will stay as hungary

all this means I may have to intervene in between someone's turn to re-jig the faction lineup..

[barcamartin]

Will do after some sleep. Seriously tired now. Approx 8-9 hours. :)

[barcamartin]

There we go, finally. Not that time matters, since Tristan seems to be putzvegefahren?

France 2nd Shot! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?9odwjkktwrt6l9d)

[phonicsmonkey]

putzvegefahren?

what does that mean? it looks like the most awesome word I've ever seen..

Tristan said he'd be offline from the 23rd to the end of the month. I have tried to get him to nominate a sub and leave some instructions but he has not done so.

It's not quite the 23rd yet where he is so I'm hoping he'll pop up with the save before he goes...

If he does not I can do this little trick where I move France to the back of the turn order - I just need barca's autosave (which will still be on the England turn) to do it - barca, can you please upload that for me and pm it to me?

[barcamartin]

"Puts väck" = Disappeared, in Swedish. "Fahren" = Going, in German. So, well, my father has always used the expression, as a mixture between German and Swedish, probably totally unofficial, put pretty much spot on for something that can't be found. Awesome word, indeed! ;D

I forgot to zip the file, but here it is.

Autosave England! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?9gyza939mcsn7td)

[Password]

Hello there.

I received a PM inviting me to this hotseat but at the time my M2TW was not installed and I did not want to be late in joining the game or in any way hold it up. Luckily for me, events seems to have led to a slight delay. If phonicsmonkey will still have me I would like to take control of the Moors if that is OK with everyone else. I look to forward to being a part of the game.

[phonicsmonkey]

welcome to the game Password! I'll switch the Moors to human control for you later today..

[barcamartin]

Ok, for the third time England has initiated its rise to glory. However, for the first time;

HRE !!!!! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hoiq82jxxro1dcy)

[phonicsmonkey]

ok I'm sticking with Milan, SilverShield is sticking with Hungary and Password has agreed to take the Turks instead of the Moors.

Let's get this game rolling!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

The rules do not say anything about seige equipment, what are we going to go with there?

[phonicsmonkey]

The rules do not say anything about seige equipment, what are we going to go with there?

Use it as you see fit. I'm comfortable with the fact that a ballista can open the gates - on the battlemap it takes ages and sometimes is not successful anyway, meaning if you're going to use them for that you will still have to wait a few turns to get it right or autoresolve. Plus I'm inclined to see the siege equipment somewhat metaphorically....

[TriforceV]

Spain is Up!
Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?em1auabjoax1h4h)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I'm having a problem, whenever I try to load the save it crashes. I tried loading Englands turn to see if it was just the spain file, but that crashed too. It says M2TW 1.03 in the game, but I assume that means patch 1.3? Otherswise I have VanillaMod .93; I downloaded the fix .93b for Vanilla, but that didn't fix the problem. Any ideas?

[Quirl]

What's VanillaMod?

I know there's a glitch in some of the online patches that shows your game is updated to 1.3 when it's really not. I'd update straight from your Kingdoms disk and see if that works. Simply installing Kingdoms should patch your game to 1.3.

[phonicsmonkey]

What's VanillaMod?

I think that's likely to be the salient point. Unless VanillaMod installs in a separate folder (like SS or BC) it's likely to have altered the vanilla game files and will make your version incompatible with ours.

That's assuming you are correctly installed.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I added the Vanilla fix after it failed the first time. If I can't figure it out tonight, I'll try unistalling and reinstalling some stuff tomorrow

[phonicsmonkey]

This is what I did before I started the game. I had to do a clean reinstall for other reasons..

Install M2TW. Install Kingdoms. Install Kingdoms 1.5 patch.

I don't think the final action affects anything as far as our game is concerned, but I thought i'd let you know anyway. My version number is 1.3 in M2TW, 1.5 in Kingdoms.

If you do the same thing there's no reason it shouldn't work.

[phonicsmonkey]

While we wait I took the liberty of intervening to get the faction lineup correct.

Please use this save instead: Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?xq72tbgq7ahiipc)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Turns out I did install Vanilla wrong. Was putting it in its own folder like BC, but guess that's not how it's suppose to go :) To bad I didn't figure that out before I went through the process of reinstalling everything, oh well.

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/oudg6kaq8ph172r/GA-1-Sicily.sav

PS when's the court and story forums going to be up?

[phonicsmonkey]

hey the court is already up - here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?130302-The-Grand-Wager-Glorious-Achievements-Diplomacy-Thread)

I'll put a story thread up now

[Zim]

Milan

http://www.mediafire.com/?6mrbkz3xuczg4uz

[phonicsmonkey]

Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?mci1fn1nmzv7py2)

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/n6afjh

Turks up.

[Password]

Egypt

http://fs09n1.sendspace.com/dl/b641d95d5287dc8174bf70fe011a6354/4c7a5b6f0b9b3aa9/6a1cqo/GA_Egypt_T2.zip

[Quirl]

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/myfiles.php

[Kavhan Isbul]

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/myfiles.php

The link above is a link to your files in mediafire, which is something I do not have access to - please correct.

I will be gone Monday and Tuesday. Unless a correct link is posted by then, anyone can sub for me or I will play my turn on Wednesday.

[Quirl]

http://www.mediafire.com/?i95ovhca3phic0c

[Kavhan Isbul]

Hungary next.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ocv2kpyadff1b1d

[SilverShield]

england next

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Is Tristan not playing as France anymore?

[phonicsmonkey]

yeah, what happened to France? they were supposed to pop up at the end of the turn.

Hooooold on there..pls don't play the english turn.

Silver, what happened there?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

it looks like France is set as a computer

[phonicsmonkey]

aargh

I'm going to need your autosave Silver, the one that's automatically created at the end of your turn.

If you can give me that I can set France correctly and you won't need to replay.

[Zim]

Tristan might not make his turn. He's out until some time early in September. I can't quite recall when he was returning, though...

[phonicsmonkey]

he told me from 23rd August 'to the end of the month' which I was hoping would be in the next few days. but if he misses the turn at least we can have someone sub it instead of the AI taking it, which I think is better...

[phonicsmonkey]

I changed my mind - seeing as no-one really knows what Tristan would have done with his first turn anyway I suppose the robot will have done a decent enough job

barca, go ahead and play, I'll switch France to human control on my next turn

[barcamartin]

Ok, will do. :)

[SilverShield]

so i dont have to upload anything then i guess

[barcamartin]

HRE ! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?8as6ji3283xxqmh)

[TriforceV]

Ill play the turn tonight after my work shift..

[TriforceV]

Spain Next.

Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?nn4bm27tdyy9s2d)

[_Tristan_]

I'm back and ready to play my next turn...

[phonicsmonkey]

awesome! I'll make sure we switch France to human control before it comes up

[barcamartin]

Might aswell post here too. I'll be off until Sunday, so if subbing becomes necessary, whoever feels worthy can do it. As long as they move to bring the Scottish rebels down, I'm happy. ;)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/bdgt8nbmhpunplh/GA-2-Sicily.sav

[Zim]

Milan

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6mrbkz3xuczg4uz

[barcamartin]

Zim, you prove even the sun has its flaws. That's Milan turn 1! :(

[Zim]

Sorry, they were next to me in my files at Media Upload.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?95845y8j8v5a8hy

[barcamartin]

Scotland! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?3vd8jjb8z55za8u)

[Visor]

We have offered a ceasefire to the King of England. The Scots care not whether England lives or dies and place no trust that the proposal will be accepted.

Turks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dvb92u

[Password]

Egypt

http://fs05n1.sendspace.com/dl/a2d6691fea10ef82e4ee863ae06ae259/4c8679b03cfe6f28/39m989/GA_Egypt_T2.zip

[Quirl]

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/?171plpmbbabdrha

... let me know if there are any problems again.

I didn't even know Denmark and the HRE were at war until I started my turn. I hope we can get more active in the courtroom. :beam:

[Kavhan Isbul]

Diplomacy? I have tried it and discovered I am as good at it as the Bulgarian national football team has been good at winning games lately - to put it mildly, I suck at diplomacy.

Apologies to the Holy Roman Emperor - ceasefire will be offered next turn, to be followed by an alliance proposal if accepted.

Hungary next:

http://www.mediafire.com/?c00kz7c718p7qrz

[SilverShield]

just droped by next time please pm me

france next
http://depositfiles.com/files/11hcintgg

[_Tristan_]

Will get to this before the deadline

[_Tristan_]

New Save for England (http://www.mediafire.com/file/gh5nn45ugbnsy54/GA-3-England.rar)

[Visor]

I won't be here from the 15th to the 20th, so if someone besides England could sub me, it would be appreciated.

[barcamartin]

HRE !! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?lpg2v4dd3gnc79e)

And don't worry Visor, I won't sub you. Also, Britannia isn't big enough for both of us. ;)

[TriforceV]

Spain is up!:

Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?lok741zihu1ikvn)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9gs3v4c9d81wak/GA-3-Sicily.sav

[Zim]

Milan is up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5279

[phonicsmonkey]

Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?36hdm6yl1fne35s)

[_Tristan_]

Visorslash asked me to sub him... But didn't leave his PW with me... Anything you can do, Phonics ?

[phonicsmonkey]

Visorslash asked me to sub him... But didn't leave his PW with me... Anything you can do, Phonics ?

It would take me several days as I don't have internet at home and am relyong on my work pc to dwnload and upload saves. Could you pls pm zim and ask him to help out? He has the admin pw. I'd do it myself but it's really hard on this crappy blackberry browser

[barcamartin]

Rest assured, for a Swedish Viking never sleeps, nor fails!

Scotland turn, with reset password! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?4536jgjwmrwblxb)

And Visorslash, I swear, I didn't even open the turn. ;)

[_Tristan_]

Subbed Scotland (but to no end as Visor seemed to have played his own turn... see below...)

(removed link...)

[_Tristan_]

PMed Password almost 3 days ago my time and still no answer...

Can someone sub him to keep the game going ? I would volunteer if need be as I have no interests whatsoever in the region...

[Visor]

I'm back and able to play my turns, please use my save as I did some important killing this turn. Can't hide from the Scottish Navy you English dog. :laugh4:

Also I would propose a rule used over at the twcenter which would make the game a bit fairer.

Say a Scottish army attacks and defeats an English army in Turn 2. On Turn 3 the english army can move. However, if an English army attacks and defeats a Scottish army on Turn 2, on Scotland's turn it cannot move and can't retreat.

The rule over at the TWC is this: 4. Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

5. Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply. (This means they are allowed to be seiged, not that the army can move.)

(OC: Sorry but I attacked and won against an English navy containing a big army and if this rule is not in play, I'm screwed.)

Turks up.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dgwk0s

[_Tristan_]

So Phonics or barca, could you have someone sub Password's turn or skip it just to keep things going ? It's been almost 4 days since the save has been posted (which delay sure helped Visorslash play his turn himself... but nonetheless...)

[phonicsmonkey]

hi all - apologies for being an absent GM these past couple of weeks, RL has been kicking my ass...

I have asked barca to skip this turn for me but if he is not available I'll be able to have the new save up in 24 hours. Unfortunately I have no internet at home right now so I'm relying on taking saves to and from work on a USB key.

Visorslash, thanks for the rule suggestion. I see the logic in it and I think it has merit however I'm not the dictatorial type so I'm going to put it to the vote.

Everyone, could you please post here to indicate whether you are in favour of adding the rule? I have amended it slightly to make it fairer on the player who has to keep track of which armies and navies are affected.

Armies or navies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. The player who defeats the army or navy in question must alert the defeated player by private message so that they are able to identify which armies and navies they are not allowed to move. If a pm is not sent the rule does not apply.

I have to say I'm not sure that the rule you mark as 5 is necessary but again, let's hear what people think.

[Quirl]

Sounds like a good rule. I'll vote "yes."

[Kavhan Isbul]

Against.

[Visor]

The no 5 rule is used so that a defeated army has a chance to escape before it is attacked again.

Also, Kahvan Isbul, why are you against it.

(I'm for it, obviously.)

[_Tristan_]

I don't care either way : it is something to work with during the planning of your attacks. In hotseat, those have to be decisive (more than they would against the AI) and you should also prepare for any contingencies, ie don't leave units in position to be defeated.

But it would simplify matters not to have this to take into account and as the last in line, I'll be the one to profit the most from such rules :2thumbsup:, should you all gang up on me :cry:

[barcamartin]

Haha, geez, I really am screwing this hotseat up badly. xD

I would say that introducing that rule now would be slightly unfair, but since I am clearly biased in the matter, I will not vote at all. Had it been there from the start I would be definitely in favor, and I also realize that my faction benefits most from the rule not being in play. Therefor, I would vote "no", since we've already played a few turns without it, but as I said, perhaps I'm having a hard time being objective.

My vote is blank. I will oblige to the decision of the rest of you.


Turkish turn skipped! I notcied some units or something moved along their set paths of movement after I clicked End Turn, if that matters I'll redo it.

Hassanids!! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zhag9t5r91ta1i6)

[Kavhan Isbul]

Also, Kahvan Isbul, why are you against it.

(I'm for it, obviously.)

Because I think given the current situation introducing the rule will be more unfair than not introducing it.

From your point of view, the rule makes sense, and the argument for it is that it attempts to fix a game machanics issue, which creates a slight advantage to players whose turn precedes that of their enemies. I can associate with that as I am in a war with a player, whose turn is before mine. In fact, I am one of the last in the line of turns, so introducing the rule will obviously benefit me more than almost everyone else in the hotseat.

However, there are 2 sides to the story and I also had to look at it through barca's point of view. Here is what I am seeing happened:
1. Tristan played your turn. These things happen, nothing wrong here.
2. You took advantage of a delay by the player after you to play your turn yourself, with the benefit of improving on Tristan's results. That goes against the spirit of the "no reloads" rule - in effect it is the same as posting your turn, than deciding that you could have accomplished more and reposting it.
3. Still not satisfied with this, you want to gain a further advantage by making the defeat English army stting ducks so that you can not face retaltion and finish it off during your next turn.

The combination of the above seems to me to be much more unfair than the current mechanics problem. If you suggested the rule before we started the campaign, I would have voted yes and would not mind it in future hotseats. But given the current circumstances, I think you should win the war with England thanks to outplaying barca, and not through any tweaks in the rules to help your cause.

Does that make sense?

[Quirl]

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/?zdn92a3lu9i4zdl

[Visor]

1. Tristan played your turn. These things happen, nothing wrong here.
No problems here.


2. You took advantage of a delay by the player after you to play your turn yourself, with the benefit of improving on Tristan's results. That goes against the spirit of the "no reloads" rule - in effect it is the same as posting your turn, than deciding that you could have accomplished more and reposting it.
If the next player hasn't played his turn, why can't I play and post mine? (That's the way it happens over at the TWC)

3. Still not satisfied with this, you want to gain a further advantage by making the defeat English army stting ducks so that you can not face retaltion and finish it off during your next turn. That is why rule no 5 is in place to give defeated armies a chance to escape.

[phonicsmonkey]

2. You took advantage of a delay by the player after you to play your turn yourself, with the benefit of improving on Tristan's results. That goes against the spirit of the "no reloads" rule - in effect it is the same as posting your turn, than deciding that you could have accomplished more and reposting it.

Just to clarify my view on this: I think it's always preferable if the player whose turn it is plays the turn himself. So in cases where a sub has played a turn and there is a delay with the next turn I will allow it if the original player comes back, plays the turn himself and posts a new link. Exactly what happened here.

While I see Kahvan's point about the 'no reload' rule I think the benefits of having the player take his own turn outweigh that issue. So I make an exception for this situation.

However, if the next player in line had already picked up the sub's turn and played from that save then we would continue the game without making the next player replay his turn. So, if Password had posted a link having used Tristan's save it would have been tough luck for Visorslash.

Understood?

[Quirl]

J... So, if Password had posted a link having used Tristan's save it would have been tough luck for Visorslash.

Understood?

Where is my ally anyways? Hope he's not kaput already.

[Kavhan Isbul]

Hungary next:

http://www.mediafire.com/?nv1c3uv00dz90rc

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I don't really care one way or the other on the rule (since the chances of HRE or England attacking me within 20 turns is pretty slim), but I do have a few thoughts. If it is a question of game mechanics and a fairer play something probably should be done to fix it, although it's really sucky that the game does that. Really going to drag the game out longer if you don't destroy an army in the first attack.

If its a question of timing, but most think it is a rule that is needed, maybe it can be approved, but not go into effect for a few turns, like 3 or so.

Also, since AI aren't going to follow these rules, would it only apply to Humans?

[Visor]

Only applies to Humans.

[_Tristan_]

And nevermind the potential for contestation in enforcing that rule : I'm not even sure with the best will I would be able to recall just what armies of my enemy are "sanctuarized" and which are not, taking into account the number of days that might elapse between my turns...

It has always been a constant of hotseat which I'll admit gave 1st players in line a slight advantage but not one that could be circumvented by correct planning on the part of their "followers"...

The motto is "Don't over-reach !"

If you strike, strike powerfully and decisively so that the enemy cannot strike back (the more so if he's ahead of you int hte turn order...) Just my :2cents:

[Visor]

Screenshots or telling the other player is a fix.

[barcamartin]

Kahvan rounded up my thoughts on the situation (regarding England, that is - I understand that Visor wanted to do his turn and don't object that at all). However, this is why I originally didn't want to vote. Since it hasn't been there from the start, introducing it when a player notices and sees an advantage in it seems slightly off. No offense to you Visor, I understand your proposition and see the logic behind it. As mentioned, had it been there from scratch it would have been awesome.

Not to mention the increased hassle with remembering who to move and not, who to attack and not.

Since you didn't think of this until you attacked me and noticed that you need(?) me to be stationary for one turn, my view is that it's slightly unfair. Once again, I am obviously coloured (in red and gold..) in my opinion and shouldn't vote really. But since Kahvan described it that well, I'll go ahead and vote NO or, alternatively agree with Thanatos's idea, 3 turn delay on the rule.

[SilverShield]

the movement rate just sucks a stupid sh

france
http://depositfiles.com/files/c14rxqvlu


im tired of rules. just let if flow

[phonicsmonkey]

It seems think the tide of opinion is against this rule change for two reasons:

- timing: it would have been better to suggest it up front instead of waiting until you are in a position to benefit. I wouldn't, in any case, bring in a rule like this without a couple of turns amnesty to allow players who are well advanced with their war plans to adapt.

- hassle: it's easy to say that people can take screenshots and send them to one another to provide the necessary information to abide by this rule, but to be honest it's hard enough getting people to remember to pm each other the turn link each time so I think from a practical perspective it's going to be difficult to manage.

Having said that I may consider introducing something like this for a future game if I can think of a way to make it easier. And if anyone who has not already said their piece has a strong argument to add please pipe up and I'll reconsider it for this one.

So, sorry Visor, I think you're out of luck here - I appreciate you are now vulnerable to an English counterattack but I think the rules of this game were clear from the start so I don't think you can have any real complaint about that. Let me know by pm if you feel aggrieved.

[Quirl]

I feel aggrieved! :furious3:

... I don't know what that means, but it sounds like it'd be fun to be. :nice:

[Visor]

- timing: it would have been better to suggest it up front instead of waiting until you are in a position to benefit. I wouldn't, in any case, bring in a rule like this without a couple of turns amnesty to allow players who are well advanced with their war plans to adapt.

I see where you are coming from, but in all honesty that is a rather lame excuse, in the Epic hotseat over at the TWC (Currently 88 turns) that rule was implmented in the middle of a massive war between almost all of the players and implemented immediately.


- hassle: it's easy to say that people can take screenshots and send them to one another to provide the necessary information to abide by this rule, but to be honest it's hard enough getting people to remember to pm each other the turn link each time so I think from a practical perspective it's going to be difficult to manage.

Well then make a punishment that if they don't remind or provide information, the army can be moved, simple as that.


So, sorry Visor, I think you're out of luck here - I appreciate you are now vulnerable to an English counterattack but I think the rules of this game were clear from the start so I don't think you can have any real complaint about that. Let me know by pm if you feel aggrieved.

What is the problem with adding rules during the game?

So at the moment if England beats my army I can't help it or move it but if I beat his he can escape it or attack with it? (Swear deleted.)

However I will now go back to playing this game without anymore "complaints". Unless provoked.

[phonicsmonkey]

IWhat is the problem with adding rules during the game?

None, if the rest of the players agree. What I meant was that the rules have been clear since the start so I don't think you could have misunderstood them.


So at the moment if England beats my army I can't help it or move it but if I beat his he can escape it or attack with it? Bullsh*t.

The thing with the turn order is a hard-coded part of the game that everyone is aware of. It's the same for everyone (ie. everyone has the same opportunity to pick a faction and select someone at the start of the turn order if they like) - a level playing field. And there's no need to swear.


However I will now go back to playing this game without anymore "complaints". Unless provoked.
Excellent - enjoy the game, thanks for playing and genuine thanks for the rule suggestion. If you can think of anything else that will improve the game feel free to suggest it and I'll put it to the vote again.

[Visor]

None, if the rest of the players agree. What I meant was that the rules have been clear since the start so I don't think you could have misunderstood them.

The thing with the turn order is a hard-coded part of the game that everyone is aware of. It's the same for everyone (ie. everyone has the same opportunity to pick a faction and select someone at the start of the turn order if they like) - a level playing field. And there's no need to swear.

Excellent - enjoy the game, thanks for playing and genuine thanks for the rule suggestion. If you can think of anything else that will improve the game feel free to suggest it and I'll put it to the vote again.
But what is the harm of fixing something that's broken? It seems that some of you either don't want to get rid of your advantage or don't want to bother with this for some reason or another.

I cannot see any valid reason why it should not be allowed, but as most people don't seem to want it, I guess I have to play it that way.

On the subject of rules, are we allowed to attack fleets in ports? And if not, are we allowed to store armies in ships in ports so they can't be attacked? And are we allowed to surround armies completely so they have no chance of retreat and as such die?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

'no surround and destroy' is stated in the rules, the rest are not.

[phonicsmonkey]

Good point, I neglected to include the rule about navies in ports. I think attacking ships in port is an exploit - because the AI doesn't do it and because of the weird way you have to select unit cards to get it to wiork which suggests it's a bug. However as I didn't dmake this clear at the start I'm willing to put this to the vote too. Let me know what you think.

[_Tristan_]

To be honest, I would have voted against the possibility of attacking navies in ports as it seems both lame and a bug as you described, Phonics. But seeing how it might be possible to use those same navies as impregnable forts, I'm all for allowing it or placing a restriction on the number of units possibly transported by ship unit (say, for example 2 ou 4 units per ship unit...) but even so a 5-ship naval force would allow you to make a whole stack of troops unattackable... If that is what we want, then fine but I'm not sure it is "realistic" nor far from an exploit...

[EDIT] : In my opinion, the unit per ship restriction should only apply to ship in ports. Otherwise, it would be too much of a disadvantage to those nautically-oriented factions (Sicily, Venice, England, Denmark and Scotland maybe...)

[EDIT 2] Will have the save posted tonight (GMT +1)

[barcamartin]

I'm out of town until Sunday evening, so i can't take the English turn until then. It should be within the timelimit though. Otherwise I request an extension, since the Scots seem to have a blade in the vicinity of my throat.

Oh yeah, on the ship thingy, storing troops on a ship, in a port, is quite odd anyhow. I'd say forbid any storage of troops on ships in ports.

[_Tristan_]

England !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/euamh7nbxy0f7wn/GA-4-England.sav)

[Kavhan Isbul]

I do not see storing troops on a ship in a port as an exploit for the following reasons:
- First, you need a port and at least one ship, which is not cheap, except of course for those factions that get it at the start of the game, such as Denmark or Milan. But it is a much higher expense than building a 500 florint fort.
- You still need to control the settlement, and so the port is far from impregnable.
- Everyone can do it and it is not a bug, just part of the game mechanics.
- Your troops stay idle, so while they may be safer, you are paying their upkeep and they do not do much for you.

As for whether attacking ships in port should be allowed or not, I do not have an opinion - I do not know how to do it anyway.

[phonicsmonkey]

I agree, I don't really have a problem with storing stroops on ships. Firstly, another player can always blockade them in there rendering them useless and secondly you can still wipe the faction out by taking all their cities, so it doesn't make the player invulnerable.

[Quirl]

Can troops not undock from ships that are in a blockaded port?

[_Tristan_]

Yes, they could very well be unloaded... IMHO, it has a high potential for abuse... Storing a family member into a ship "sanctuarized" by making them inviolate in ports is a good way of keeping your faction alive.

Moreover, ports are often within a turn movement range from the city they depend, thus offering an opportunity for quick reinforcement that cannot be deterred...

But I don't mind going either way... Let's just keep in mind the tactical options involved (the above being only part of it...)

[barcamartin]

Turn done. Slight reservation for Tristan wanting to replay his turn, since he seems to have screwed the save-upload up slightly. I have contacted him, and if he wishes to replay it I am fine with redoing mine.

[Visor]

Am I dead yet?

[phonicsmonkey]

Yes, they could very well be unloaded...

Can't you blockade them in from the land by sitting an army on the port?

[barcamartin]

Am I dead yet?

Haha, I don't see how I could have killed you. But the future should prove interesting. ;)

Also, I should add, I am good on the implementation of the defeated-army-rule with a few turns delay, and don't really care about the army-port-ship-rule.

[_Tristan_]

I'll be checking my save up tonite (I can't fathom what caused the differences between what I did and what Barca witnessed...)

Sorry, mates...

[barcamartin]

HRE for real !! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?g793losv51s2pml)

[TriforceV]

Spain!

Spain Save (http://www.mediafire.com/?nylcrx896xw3trw)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/u3pstlxclqwg0bq/GA-4-Sicily.sav

Hey Zim, couldn't PM you cause your box is full

[Quirl]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/u3pstlxclqwg0bq/GA-4-Sicily.sav

Hey Zim, couldn't PM you cause your box is full

Poop. :thumbsup:

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Poop. :thumbsup:

:speechless: Well, that could be the reason his box is full... but I'm really not seeing the connection :jester:

[phonicsmonkey]

Poop. :thumbsup:

As in: he needs to

(I guess)

[Quirl]

As in: I was very hyper yesterday for no reason. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?d4jgm3pkzikmp9d)

By the way is anyone, like me, thinking that 20 turns is looking too short to have a crack at these achievements?

I didn't take into account how undeveloped everything is in vanilla. Should we make it 40 instead? Or play to 20 and then decide what to do?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I'm in favor of making it 40 :2thumbsup:

[Quirl]

40 sounds cool. Got nothing else going on since LotE's over. :2thumbsup:

[Visor]

Turks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3khuvf

[Quirl]

We are allies. Can I sub Password until he's officially kicked for being absent?

P.S.
Holy **** Phonics, you changed your avatar! I haven't seen you do that for the whole time I've known you! :P

[phonicsmonkey]

We are allies. Can I sub Password until he's officially kicked for being absent?

P.S.
Holy **** Phonics, you changed your avatar! I haven't seen you do that for the whole time I've known you! :P

Yes you can - EDIT: the pw is already clear so go ahead

I realised I'm not playing any Islamic factions / characters anymore so I thought I'd change it for better immersion in GA, SS and V&V

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Hardly recqonized you under all that grey hair :D Or would you prefer we call it white; appearently to some people it matters

[Quirl]

I hardly recognized you either. I was like, "whose that guy?" then I saw your awards and name. :P

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/?3d7rk4fhdi1b2yi

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll have to check when I next play my turn but I think this is the portrait they use in-game for Duca Giorgio. If it isn't I'll change it up to match.

So Password has missed two turns. I usually wait three missed turns before calling for a replacement so we'll see what happens next turn. But he hasn't responded to any of my pms so I suspect he's gone.

[phonicsmonkey]

Seeing as no-one has objected I have changed the turn limit on this game to 40 turns.

[Kavhan Isbul]

Hungary next:

http://www.mediafire.com/?45p5yblddlr1bu1

[SilverShield]

as armies move 1.5 inch a turn 20 turns is nothing

france
http://depositfiles.com/files/4icrnnzfr

[_Tristan_]

England !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/9m4ynu9aoo8p465/GA-5-England.sav)

[barcamartin]

I'll have it up tomorrow afternoon sometime, if all goes to plan. :)

[barcamartin]

Let'sa go ! *Italian-plumber accent*

HRE !!! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?k2m631859a90b71)

Inverness is under siege, and the so-called Scottish "navy" has been fed to the fishes. These isles ain't big enough for both of us, buddy. ;)

[TriforceV]

Alright Spain is Next.

Sorry Milan, The Italian Penisula is also not big enough for the both of us, Venice and Milan are underseige, and Milan navy is also sunk with its assortment of troops. :-/

Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/file/s4847kw5hyv9u7a/GA-5-Spain.zip)

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry Milan, The Italian Penisula is also not big enough for the both of us

Spoken like a true German.

Looks like the Milanese might be headed for an early exit...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily's up

http://www.mediafire.com/file/93wlafx6u96351k/GA-5-Sicily.sav

Zim, your PM's are still full

[Quirl]

Spoken like a true German.

Looks like the Milanese might be headed for an early exit...

You should be the Turks. Looks like Password's not coming back anyhow. ;)

[phonicsmonkey]

You should be the Turks. Looks like Password's not coming back anyhow. ;)

yeah it had occurred to me...I'll see what the situation is when I get to the next Milanese turn. I don't like bailing on a losing faction but after Milan and Venice I only have Florence and Ajacio, both of which could fall pretty quickly if Triforce is serious about it.

This is the last time I pick a small vulnerable faction in a game that I'm hosting.

[TriforceV]

yeah it had occurred to me...I'll see what the situation is when I get to the next Milanese turn. I don't like bailing on a losing faction but after Milan and Venice I only have Florence and Ajacio, both of which could fall pretty quickly if Triforce is serious about it.

This is the last time I pick a small vulnerable faction in a game that I'm hosting.

Wait you have Florence!?
I think you mean Genoa :laugh4: and yes I'm deadly serious :inquisitive:

[phonicsmonkey]

Wait you have Florence!?
I think you mean Genoa

Yeah that's the one. See, I don't deserve to rule it, I can't even remember what it's called..

[phonicsmonkey]

hey I want to skip Zim but for some reason mediafire isn't working down here. Can someone please upload the save somewhere else for me?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Here you go

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fa387t

Use the link at the bottom, everything else is just ads

[Quirl]

Be the Turks. I need a new ally. You know you wanna. Even the Emperor says you should at 0:25...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLaf8KX5e2Q

"Do it..." ^_^

[phonicsmonkey]

Ok, I know a hopeless position when I see one. I have switched Milan to AI after doing the best for them that I can. I'll play the Turks from this turn if Password doesn't show up.

By the way this is the second turn in a row that Zim has missed - I hope he's ok out there.

Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?ior6ndmnvd2oc0i)

[Visor]

The next two battles will be critical for Scotland.

Turks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ej73fd

[phonicsmonkey]

My Hassanid (http://www.mediafire.com/?6v9vxzo598mpfqz) brothers

[Quirl]

Back in the hat!

I'm having some trouble with mediafire right now and the file's too big to store here. I'll have to get up later, I guess. :annoyedg:

[Quirl]

I'm sorry. I've been sick since Thursday and this completely slipped my mind. I'll try to upload the turn again today...

[Quirl]

Denmark.
http://www.mediafire.com/?qqu0ftgyu632z77

[Kavhan Isbul]

Hungary next:

http://www.mediafire.com/?pdk0j8mk8x0sjkw

Unless France and Hungary do something about it, soon the majority of the map will be black.

[TriforceV]

Unless France and Hungary do something about it, soon the majority of the map will be black.

hog-wash.

[Quirl]

Save it for the council chambers. ;)

[SilverShield]

france up
http://depositfiles.com/files/b6fe2rhil

[_Tristan_]

England ! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/g03zxg4nlybectb/GA-6-England.sav)

[barcamartin]

HRE !!! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?09jcxme1v5a64ce)

Inverness has fallen to valiant English troops. These fair Isles will be purged of the taint that is the barbarous Scots.

Other than that, the no-spy infiltration+human-played battles really make player vs. player wars slow going. A nice change of pace, I guess.

[TriforceV]

Spain Next:
Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?7zdcioth51u7b25)

Alright!!

[_Tristan_]

Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?d4jgm3pkzikmp9d)

By the way is anyone, like me, thinking that 20 turns is looking too short to have a crack at these achievements?

I didn't take into account how undeveloped everything is in vanilla. Should we make it 40 instead? Or play to 20 and then decide what to do?

I perfectly agree with this...

Though, it would be nice to have a mid-game ranking, just to have an idea of where everyone stands... But we're still far from that...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicilies turn, if your out there Zim

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qa4i5bf9z0wbdwp/GA-6-Sicily.sav

[TriforceV]

Sicilies turn, if your out there Zim

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qa4i5bf9z0wbdwp/GA-6-Sicily.sav

Is it just me?, or does anyone else think we should find this guy "Zim" a replacement, or maybe send his kingdom to the AI?,
Its been like 3 turns hes been MIA, and each time we wait about 3-4 days before someone subs him. He needs to go if hes slowing the game

[phonicsmonkey]

this guy "Zim"

Zim's a moderator here and has been in almost every game for the past three years since I've been on this site. A reliable player and a good friend.

It seems something bad must have happened in RL as he has not played his turns here, in SS or in the RPG for some weeks. I hope he's ok.

As GM I will apply the same rule for Zim as for any other player and when the deadline has expired on his third missed turn I'll look for a replacement.

[TriforceV]

Zim's a moderator here and has been in almost every game for the past three years since I've been on this site. A reliable player and a good friend.

It seems something bad must have happened in RL as he has not played his turns here, in SS or in the RPG for some weeks. I hope he's ok.

As GM I will apply the same rule for Zim as for any other player and when the deadline has expired on his third missed turn I'll look for a replacement.

I see,

Me personally, its been the first game playing with him - so I was unaware of his reliability,
I meant no disrespect to him personally, and apologize if my statement came out a bit rude.

I also hope your friend is alright in RL too!
I'm sure there will always be a place open for him if/when he does return.

[phonicsmonkey]

I am looking for a new player and I'm waiting on a response from someone. In the meantime I have subbed the turn. It'd be good if everyone could refrain from attacking Sicily until we have a new player in place.

EDIT: I have found the new player and they will be taking this turn.

[Quirl]

I also hope your friend is alright in RL too!
I'm sure there will always be a place open for him if/when he does return.

Thanks, man. I hope the same. :)

So, Tri... when you gonna grace us in the courtroom with your presence again? You kill off the Duke yet? ;)

[TriforceV]

Thanks, man. I hope the same. :)

So, Tri... when you gonna grace us in the courtroom with your presence again? You kill off the Duke yet? ;)

lmao, Dukes are falling like flies i tell yeah!

[Quirl]

lmao, Dukes are falling like flies i tell yeah!

Ha ha! That's why I cheated in my hotseat. I couldn't have anyone boot me out of my own game! :wacko:

Seriously, though, I was actually thinking about going ahead and hosting another hotseat (it's like some kind of sick addiction I tell ya). I was thinking about doing a Third Age hotseat and playing as the Orcs of the Misty Mountains. They're a smaller faction, though, and after seeing what happened here... uhm... maybe I should play as Mordor or something. :uhoh2:

P.S.
Thanks for the courtroom post.

[phonicsmonkey]

Everyone, please welcome Pranas to the game - he's taking over Sicily

[Quirl]

Welcome Pranas! :)

[phonicsmonkey]

Seriously, though, I was actually thinking about going ahead and hosting another hotseat (it's like some kind of sick addiction I tell ya). I was thinking about doing a Third Age hotseat and playing as the Orcs of the Misty Mountains. They're a smaller faction, though, and after seeing what happened here... uhm... maybe I should play as Mordor or something. :uhoh2:

I would advise against making yourself a vulnerable faction. small is ok if you are able to play defence and gain natural allies. eg. hungary has been fine in SS.

re: TATW I'm not really into the fantasy stuff - so I might not join a hotseat in that mod..

[TriforceV]

..............(waits patiently)

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for the delay. Visor is going to play from my save after all, I pm'd him last night. I thought Pranas was ready to start but he'll take over next turn instead.

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xp1rqs

Turks.

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt (http://www.mediafire.com/?dt4b7djaxauxpim)

[phonicsmonkey]

guys, Pranas is having trouble finding his saves folder in windows 7, can anyone help? I have xp so I'm no use, but I remember others have had this issue before and solved it...

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll skip these Egyptians when I get home. Where is everybody?!

[phonicsmonkey]

Denmark (http://www.mediafire.com/?b1igg2752s7ii7o)

[Quirl]

Wow. Was it my turn already? I can play the turn tomorrow if denmark would be willing. I've been out of town... kind of an emergency trip. Sorry. I didn't realize my turn was close.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll let you if you can help Pranas with his saves folder problem - can you pm denmark to let him know?

[Quirl]

Never mind. I'm quitting this hotseat. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Truly. I've been recently devastated and I need a sabbatical.

I probably won't be on the org for awhile. You're all good friends and I wish you all the best. Try to have fun without me (I know... how will you ever, right? :P) and I love you all.

-Reece

[Kavhan Isbul]

Hungary next:

http://www.mediafire.com/?4i6sbitkoc7xddc

[SilverShield]

france up
http://depositfiles.com/files/dcemr43q0

[SilverShield]

I need a sabbatical.


enjoy bro! let me know when u are in socal or cabo

[_Tristan_]

france up
http://depositfiles.com/files/dcemr43q0

I'll get to this tonight (GMT + 1)... Bit of a tight schedule right now...

[_Tristan_]

England !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/2l34ksk39858ww6/GA-7-England.sav)

EDIT : I noticed a strange glitch when fighting my battles against the AI : whenever the last unit of the AI routed (either in a siege or field battle), the victory screen appeared, with no possibility for me to chase routers... Has anyone noticed the same thing or is it just my game ?

It only happened this turn, mind, when fighting a small brigand stack and when taking a city... Strange...

[TriforceV]

England !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/2l34ksk39858ww6/GA-7-England.sav)

EDIT : I noticed a strange glitch when fighting my battles against the AI : whenever the last unit of the AI routed (either in a siege or field battle), the victory screen appeared, with no possibility for me to chase routers... Has anyone noticed the same thing or is it just my game ?

It only happened this turn, mind, when fighting a small brigand stack and when taking a city... Strange...

Its not a Glitch!!
Or at least I don't think it is, I belive its a condition thats enabled when playing hotseat!

This prevents players in theory from eliminating (cleaning up) a routing army, giving the other oponent ( usually Human player), a chance to recover or retreat after their army has lost.
Hope that awnsers your question :-)

[barcamartin]

Will get this done tonight. This weekend has been, well, hectic. Now off to follow Helsingborg fight for the league gold!!!!!

[_Tristan_]

Its not a Glitch!!
Or at least I don't think it is, I belive its a condition thats enabled when playing hotseat!

This prevents players in theory from eliminating (cleaning up) a routing army, giving the other oponent ( usually Human player), a chance to recover or retreat after their army has lost.
Hope that awnsers your question :-)

Strange thing is it didn't happen un any of my previous battles in this hotseat... I'll tale your word for it, though...

[barcamartin]

HRE is up!!
(http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nclrpphp13h935d)
An eye for an eye, a Prince for a Prince, York for York. Valiant English forces have liberated York, and destroyed the barbarian army and their prince hiding inside the walls. Soon Brittannia will be rid of the barbarous scum of the highlands, and civilization may prosper.

[TriforceV]

The Empire Strikes Back!!
~~~

Spain Next:
Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?7718fq5en8pewg0)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily's turn

http://www.mediafire.com/file/aek54pne17mff36/GA-7-Sicily.sav

Tristan you really need to get your diplomat's rear in action and get him to the court so I can yell at him or throw small pebbles!!! You could at least give me the curtisy of not signing the alliance before marching to my border or at least be more secretive about your betrayal >:{( That's right my angry face has a mustache!!!

[phonicsmonkey]

Tristan you really need to get your diplomat's rear in action and get him to the court so I can yell at him or throw small pebbles!!! You could at least give me the curtisy of not signing the alliance before marching to my border or at least be more secretive about your betrayal >:{( That's right my angry face has a mustache!!!

Lol - up to your old tricks again eh de Castelreng?

[_Tristan_]

Who ?? Me ?? Never...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Guess this is what I get for thinking this hotseat was kind of slow :p Not that I didn't expect it with you poking around before, I was just being hopeful

[Visor]

I'll take over Sicily if you don't mind?

[phonicsmonkey]

Well Pranas is supposed to be taking over but he had problems with his install and hasn't responded to my pms, so if he hasn't shown up by the time the 48 hours is up I'll let you take Sicily.

Otherwise Egypt is also likely to be free now it looks like Quirl is not coming back for a bit.

[barcamartin]

Choose Egypt Visor. That's nice and far away from me! *Moooahaha*

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I seriously dought that Englands going to be meeting up with Siciliy anytime soon in this game, especially considering the really slow movement speed ;) unless of course you guys met in the middle of France, or something *Moooahaha*

[Pranas]

hey guys, sorry for delay, will upload save soon

[Pranas]

Scotland's next:
http://www.mediafire.com/?two6dkyen44wiqn

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2bs7to

Turks, I will hopefully be taking over Egypt,

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for the delay everyone - I confess I actually forgot I was the turks in this game :embarassed:

Egypt (http://www.mediafire.com/?cq50ts5bf53l2nw) is up - Visor that means you, I have switched the Scots to AI

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gjjncg

Danes.

[Kavhan Isbul]

Hungary is next.

http://www.mediafire.com/?cmuen5g5a05ocfv

[SilverShield]

france
http://depositfiles.com/files/xgkfrkdyu

[_Tristan_]

Will post this tonite (GMT + 1)... Got my comp working once more... Woooo !!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I'm going to be gone from the 24 to the 28. If my turn doesn't come around by then, anyone (who's not to close) can sub. I'll send instructions and password when the time comes. I'll still have internet access incase something comes up in the turn.

Is Tristan going to be going anytime soon, it's been about four days?

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm going to skip. sorry for the delay

[phonicsmonkey]

England (http://www.mediafire.com/?ifvpunij375wgdq)

[_Tristan_]

Please use this save instead if that's OK with Phonics...) Really sorry for the delay... But I had problems with my comp... Hopefully solved...

England (http://www.mediafire.com/file/28536tvd9y6i193/GA-8-England.sav)

[phonicsmonkey]

Please use this save instead if that's OK with Phonics...) Really sorry for the delay... But I had problems with my comp... Hopefully solved...

England (http://www.mediafire.com/file/28536tvd9y6i193/GA-8-England.sav)

ok, just keep us posted if you can

[barcamartin]

Will get to this tomorrow. You get 24 hours to say your good byes to the wretched Scots. :)

[barcamartin]

HRE !!! (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wi0cc1c74puh0rw)

Au revoir, Scottish barbarians!

https://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3610/scotdes.jpg

Was a good fight Visor, especially your surprising move at York. I got lucky with my fleet surviving and retreating to a very nice attack position, and my siege equipment sealed the deal. Good luck in you far away land! ;)

[TriforceV]

Spain Next.

Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?4g9xxhqajja66ua)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/krd7an4bo9htjbw/GA-8-Sicily.sav

You know Tristan, if you don't participate in the courtroom, how are you to know what horrible atrocities have been committed against your French in the name of Spanish freedom and rights. Of course by horrible atrocities, I mean what the you rightfully disserve ;) Stay tuned and you'll find out :2thumbsup:

[Pranas]

will post tomorrow.

[Pranas]

http://www.mediafire.com/?tw6cpc4n6gqcokr
Turks

[phonicsmonkey]

Aegyptus (http://www.mediafire.com/?0z2ws9vg0ki0tw5)

[Visor]

Danes.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/icwsxo

[phonicsmonkey]

Hungary (http://www.mediafire.com/?bp80qf8c1ovc597)

[Kavhan Isbul]

I am going to do something I have never done before in a hotseat, and quit. Sorry, and here is why:
1. Vanilla is boring as hell. There are over a douzen great mods, and probably douzens of other mediocre mods, and they are all better than vanilla. I am never going to join a vanilla hotseat again.
2. The GA experiment did not work out - this is a total war game and players still approach it as such. Great idea, but too many GA goals make it hard to concentrate on them, and instead we did what we would usually do - blitz our neighbors. Maybe we should try it again but with a small set of Glorious Achievement goals.

Sadly, I have lost any kind of interest, and the fact that my turn was quickly passed around Thanksgiving, without me ever receiving notification by PM, helped me arrive at a decision to put an end to my participation. Do not get me wrong - I am not upset because my turn was skipped. It just made me think about how seldom I check here, and how this is due to the fact that I have no desire to play.

Many thanks phonics, for hosting this, and thanks to everyone who played - this just was not the right hotseat for me, but I would be happy to play with all of you sometime in the future, if I ever regain a desire for hotseats.

[phonicsmonkey]

I am going to do something I have never done before in a hotseat, and quit. Sorry, and here is why:
1. Vanilla is boring as hell. There are over a douzen great mods, and probably douzens of other mediocre mods, and they are all better than vanilla. I am never going to join a vanilla hotseat again.
2. The GA experiment did not work out - this is a total war game and players still approach it as such. Great idea, but too many GA goals make it hard to concentrate on them, and instead we did what we would usually do - blitz our neighbors. Maybe we should try it again but with a small set of Glorious Achievement goals.

Sadly, I have lost any kind of interest, and the fact that my turn was quickly passed around Thanksgiving, without me ever receiving notification by PM, helped me arrive at a decision to put an end to my participation. Do not get me wrong - I am not upset because my turn was skipped. It just made me think about how seldom I check here, and how this is due to the fact that I have no desire to play.

Many thanks phonics, for hosting this, and thanks to everyone who played - this just was not the right hotseat for me, but I would be happy to play with all of you sometime in the future, if I ever regain a desire for hotseats.

I'm sorry you're leaving Kahvan, but thanks for taking part and for your feedback. Some good points there I think, especially about the choice of vanilla instead of a mod. I was hoping to increase participation by keeping it simple, but I had forgotten how slow vanilla is.

I think time will tell about whether the GA ruleset works - remember we're only eight turns into a forty turn game. It might well be that the guy who blitzes ends up winning, but there may be a couple of blitzers and the thing that separates them one of the more obscure achievements.

Anyway I hope you'll stick around the Throne Room and join (or start!) another game.

Also can everyone please remember to PM the next person in line when it is their turn?

EDIT: PS I'm not in the US so I had no idea it's Thanksgiving...

[TriforceV]

I'm sorry you're leaving Kahvan, but thanks for taking part and for your feedback. Some good points there I think, especially about the choice of vanilla instead of a mod. I was hoping to increase participation by keeping it simple, but I had forgotten how slow vanilla is.

I think time will tell about whether the GA ruleset works - remember we're only eight turns into a forty turn game. It might well be that the guy who blitzes ends up winning, but there may be a couple of blitzers and the thing that separates them one of the more obscure achievements.

Anyway I hope you'll stick around the Throne Room and join (or start!) another game.

Also can everyone please remember to PM the next person in line when it is their turn?

EDIT: PS I'm not in the US so I had no idea it's Thanksgiving...

We Canadians have Thanksgiving early, because all the turkeys die off in our November snow :laugh4:

[barcamartin]

As I wrote in the other thread, I don't have access to the game here (my own fault, entirely) and won't have for another month or two. Obviously, I won't be able to continue this
. Sorry guys! :/

[SilverShield]

france up
http://depositfiles.com/files/4dlk9ulv7

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll find new players for Denmark and Engerlund

[phonicsmonkey]

Tristan, if you're out there I'm going to skip this turn when I get home in about eight hours.

Guys, do we want to continue this game or is everyone sick of it like Kahvan?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Well, I was looking forward to duking it out with Tristan (if he's still out there), but you got to admit that the movement in this game is terribly slow. I'm willing to keep going, but it's understandable if most people want to stop.

[SilverShield]

well yea i did send him a pm. so he should know its his turn already. didnt he have some kind of problems with his computer? assuming hes out too u d have to fill 3 positions Phonics. maybe just 2 leaving the danes out. im willing to go on although the movement rate is just f ed up. 1.5" a turn really just sucks. that acutally is what makes it boring somehow coz there simply isnt much u can do in 1 turn if it takes that long to deploy troops. maybe starting allover again with a game where troops got regular movement rates like in the dogs of war game isnt the worst idea. although as i said im also willing to go on with this too. hungary is in a interesting position so

[phonicsmonkey]

Right, it's England's (http://www.mediafire.com/?89z8np2mvprx86t) turn, which doesn't help much as we don't have a player for England.

I'm hoping Zim will take over but if anyone is out there and is interested just post here and take the save, it's ready for you.

[Zim]

I can take England for a while. Do they have a password you can pm me?

[phonicsmonkey]

It's clear mate, you go ahead

[Zim]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5291

[TriforceV]

Spain is Up

Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?vk05l0r5obb0muz)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jcbvh3rrb0hljpw/GA-9-Sicily.sav

[Pranas]

Turks

http://www.mediafire.com/?dt6dycc8aalc8ai

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt (http://www.mediafire.com/?ubv4z0mv4k9e5me)

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s7vqnz

Danes.

[phonicsmonkey]

Anyone know anyone who wants to play as the Danes? If I don't hear from someone in 24 hours or so I'll switch them to AI and move the game along.

[phonicsmonkey]

Hungary (http://www.mediafire.com/?4xu29wtdjpn068e)

[SilverShield]

france up
http://depositfiles.com/files/eqcjhl12s

there should be some human taking over france. obviously it s too important to have it under computer rule

[Nightbringer]

voila!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1oi71e

[phonicsmonkey]

Welcome to the game Nightbringer and welcome back Zim! thanks for taking over France and England!

[Zim]

Hey guys. I'm getting an error when trying to download the save. Something about my security settings?

[Nightbringer]

here it is uploaded to megaupload, in case your browser just dislikes sendspace...
im not sure what that would be, could you give the exact message?
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DKPQ5XPI

[Zim]

HRE

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5293

[TriforceV]

Spain is Next.

Spain (http://www.mediafire.com/?jx9ou43uusj2krs)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jf1artdw3l0cvng/GA-10-Sicily.sav

[Pranas]

Turks
http://www.mediafire.com/?c2x6mrcecrwr7v1

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt (http://www.mediafire.com/?bj7qzmj7qkqxonh)