Roman Catholic Church going Protestant in England!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I found this slightly interesting, piece for comment:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewmcfbrown/100051228/do-we-really-need-so-many-eucharistic-ministers/

Those of us with sober mind will realise that the Roman Catholic Church adopted certain Reformation principles at Vatican II, notably the practice of having the liturgy in the vernacular. However, it appears that they are now going further at a parochial level at least.

Two very Protestant practices here:

1. fiddling with the Liturgy to suit your own ends (though this was originally a Catholic practice, dropped during the reformation and picked up by the CofE during the last 100 years)

2. Allow those other than the Ordained Minister to give the Sacrament to the Faithful, and if the image is to be believed they're letting women do it!

[al Roumi]

Is this why the Pope is on his way over here? To get some auto de fe action among the heretics?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well I assume it's not so the Calvinists can throw rotton eggs at him (I'm sure Rhy has been stocking up).

[drone]

2. Allow those other than the Ordained Minister to give the Sacrament to the Faithful, and if the image is to be believed they're letting women do it!
The women are less likely to molest the altar boys. ~D



I'll get my coat...

[Rhyfelwyr]

It sounds like this is all very unofficial and is working from the bottom-up. Doesn't seem to fit with their doctrines either from looking at some of the comments, but its up to them I guess.


Well I assume it's not so the Calvinists can throw rotton eggs at him (I'm sure Rhy has been stocking up).

rofl, my church minister is actually organising for a bus load of them to go up to hijack the Popemobile see him at Glasgow and presumably take part in a Mass or whatever.

No but really most of the congregation at the CofS are pretty liberal and into all this ecumenical stuff.

[Beskar]

Forgive me for quoting this which I saw straight away and had me in tears:

Andrew M Brown is a writer who specialises in mental health

But it is an interesting article.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It sounds like this is all very unofficial and is working from the bottom-up. Doesn't seem to fit with their doctrines either from looking at some of the comments, but its up to them I guess.

Oh it's practically heresy, offence against the Sacrament etc. *shrug*.


rofl, my church minister is actually organising for a bus load of them to go up to hijack the Popemobile see him at Glasgow and presumably take part in a Mass or whatever.

No but really most of the congregation at the CofS are pretty liberal and into all this ecumenical stuff.

See, I keep telling to join us Anglicans, our Bishops will protect you from those nasty Roman Cardinals.


Forgive me for quoting this which I saw straight away and had me in tears:

But it is an interesting article.

Did ya notice he was a Roman Catholic - who writes on mental health.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Eucharistic ministers give the bread to the faithful after its consecration, they also assist in dispensing wine. This has been a common feature in many dioceses for some time now. Women may participate in almost any ministry save those of the priesthood and the deaconate.

[Beskar]

I never understood the biggest disagreement with the Catholic church and women in the ranks of priesthood. For example, they have female saints, and females in hermitages (nuns), why the resistance to female priesthood, female bishop, female pope?

The only think I can think of from the top of my mind is the concept of Original Sin, and due to Eve being the one who was tricked by the Snake and how in Birth the female passes the original sin onto the child, which must be cleansed via baptism.

[Cute Wolf]

Is that the sign of closer movements towards oikumene?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

The women are less likely to molest the altar boys. ~D



I'll get my coat...


Better leave the building. :laugh4:


Well I assume it's not so the Calvinists can throw rotton eggs at him (I'm sure Rhy has been stocking up).


Us Presbyterians and such would never think of such a thing!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I never understood the biggest disagreement with the Catholic church and women in the ranks of priesthood. For example, they have female saints, and females in hermitages (nuns), why the resistance to female priesthood, female bishop, female pope?

The only think I can think of from the top of my mine is the concept of Original Sin, and due to Eve being the one who was tricked by the Snake and how in Birth the female passes the original sin onto the child, which must be cleansed via baptism.

Try this (http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp) for an explication.

[Rhyfelwyr]

God gave men authority over women, not the reverse, it's there from Genesis to the Pauline Epistles.

Although a better question would be "why is there a priesthood at all?", when that office was fulfilled in the person of Christ.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I never understood the biggest disagreement with the Catholic church and women in the ranks of priesthood. For example, they have female saints, and females in hermitages (nuns), why the resistance to female priesthood, female bishop, female pope?

The only think I can think of from the top of my mine is the concept of Original Sin, and due to Eve being the one who was tricked by the Snake and how in Birth the female passes the original sin onto the child, which must be cleansed via baptism.

that's mostly it - but there is also the fact that the Roman Church refuses to innovate outside the realm of scripture (or, rather, it refuses to innovate today but did in the past).

[ICantSpellDawg]

I find the use of Eucharistic ministers interesting. I view it as a recreation of the last supper brought to life. We are all called to be disciples of Christ and it is interesting to see the priest consecrate the body and the blood, over a table populated by laymen and women - who then proceed to take the body and the blood to the masses. It is a sign of our calling and of the early apostolic diasporal prosthelytizing. The priests, Bishops, ArchBishops, Cardinals and Pope were given the authority to preside through the laying on of hands, but all of us are called to spread the body, blood, and the word.

The older I get, the more I appreciate the Catholic church, its hierarchy, and its traditions. I have many examples of this respect - none of which include their handling of pedophilia cases.