The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

[Captain Blackadder]

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The Catilinian Conspiracy


The night is October 20th in the year of the consulship of Marcus Tullius Cicero and Gaius Antonius Hybrida darkness has fallen over the grand city of Rome. Armed Gangs stride around the streets attacking all those who do not support their political objectives. Men are killed for the property that they process and young men with the arrogance of youth attempt to change the system that has ruled Rome for centuries. Some do it because they are bored and wish to lead lives different from their fathers others are heavily in debt and believe a purge of the system would allow them to become wealthy men finally there was Catilina a man of contradiction. At Cicero's house where he is protected by those who think that Catilina is plotting to attack Cicero is woken by the banging on his door. A slave of his walks to the door "Whose there?" he asks. The reply was faint but audible Marcus Crassus. Indeed it is Marcus Crassus the wealthiest man in all of Rome and one of its most powerful citizens even if he holds no official office. Following him are the former Praetor Quintus Arrius as well as Marcellus and Nasica both young men who had recently joined the senate and had being widely thought to be supporters of Catilina. They begin to speak “Trouble is brewing in the province of Etruria.” Cicero interrupts “I have heard the same rumours however I strongly doubt that four men of your standing would come to tell me rumours. What facts do you have in your possession?” Arrius looks around uncomfortably shifting in his seat he was a soldier’s man clearly out of his depth in this political environment. He always added h’s to his vowels because he clearly thought that was the way you sound educated.
“I was in Hetruria up till yesterday. There are a bunch of fighters gathering across the region. I hunderstand that they are planning to hadvance on Rome.”
“How do you know that?”
“I served with several of the ringleaders in the legions. They tried to persuade me to join them, and I let them think that I might- purely to gather hintelligence, you hunderstand,” he added quickly
“How many of these fighters are there?”
“I would say five thousand maybe ten
“As many as that.”
“If there were not that many now, there will be soon enough.”
“Are they armed?”
“Some. Not all. They have a plan though.”
“And what is that?”
“To surprise the garrison at Praeneste, seize the town, fortify it and use it as a base to rally their forces.”
Crassus leans in after listening to the conversation this entire time “Praeneste is almost impregnable and it is only one days march from Rome.”
Cicero leans back in his chair with a wry smile on his face “My, my how well informed you all are”
A flash of anger runs across Crassus’s face. “ We have had our disagreements in the past Consul,” He said coldly “but I’m a loyal citizen, first and last. I don’t want to see a civil war. That is why we are here. Last night we all received letters addressed to us that told us what was about to occur I think you will find them interesting reading.”
Cicero glances down at the letter and reads it

The time for talking is over. The moment has arrived. Catilina has drawn up his plans. He wishes to warn you there will be bloodshed in Rome. Spare yourself and leave the city secretly once it is safe to return you will be contacted.

Cicero eyes widen “Catilina pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo ”

The Next Day

Cicero strides into the Senate and sees Catilina sitting in his normal place in the senate surrounded by his supporters. He strides to his place at the Rostra in the middle of the senate floor. As is customary his is the first to speak.

What are you doing, Catilina ? What are you thinking ? We feel the great
vice and plots of you. O what time! O what manner! The senate understands these,
the consul sees. This man is still living. Living ? He also comes to the senate; he also
dares to do judgment; the eyes are designating our death! And we, good men,
are doing nothing ! The senate and the consul ought to lead you to your death,
Catalina. We have a plan and we ought to do; if we do not do now, we, we, openly
to say, err! Go away now, Catilina, and lead your friends with you.
You cannot remain with us; I shall not tolerate you, and your people,
and your plan.

Catilina stands up at this and begins to clap slowly. “Well done Cicero you chickpea farmer you renter of Rome. My first ancestor was Sergestus, companion of Aeneas, the founder of our city and you dare to ask me to leave. You whose family the grandson of a farmer dare to lecture me on what is noble. I spit at you and your new man ways. If the good people of Rome wish for me to leave so be it. But know this Cicero they all despise you. Look at them they are only using you to protect themselves attempt to destroy me if you wish. Once that is done these good men will want nothing more to do with you by destroying me all you are doing is destroying yourself. Good day men of Rome.” With this Catilina strides out of the Senate hall.
Cicero stands up once more. “Men of Rome we live in difficult times I have being made aware that there are others standing here in this august body that are followers of Catilina they wish to harm the republic. However I myself whilst having suspicions do not know anything for a fact. Thus I turn the preceding’s over to you good men of Rome. I am no dictator like Sulla instead I am a simple man. Thus we shall all decide together who is to be proscribed on this day and who is to be executed. Let us vote and we shall all go down in the great books of history as the men that saved Rome.” A great applause rings throughout the Senate as the Senators prepare to vote on the fate of the republic.

Sign Ups
17/17
Johnhughthom
Beskar
Romanic
Double A
Joooray
Csargo
Saskai
ByzantineKnight
ATPG
TheFlax
DiamondEye
WInstonHughes
GodEmperor
Autolycus
White Eyes
YLC
Secura

Rules
Standard Rules apply
No screenshoting
24 hour phases
Out of thread communication is acceptable all QuickTopics are to be reported to host so that I may take orders from them
Both Cicero and Catiline will be known figures both are unkillable until the men protecting them are killed.


Voting

There are two ways that you can vote at anytime

The first is

Vote Exilium This exiles the person chosen by the senate they may no longer be helped by any roman citizen. They can be given no shelter nor no food. At any time this may be reversed with Vote Recall

The Second is

Vote Tullianum. This takes the person voted and throws them into the Mamertine Prison where they are to be killed.

[johnhughthom]

Why, yes please my good sir.

[Beskar]

This looks interesting. I will join if you let me. :yes:

[Romanic]

Beskar and JHT playing in the same game, that should be interesting. ~:argue:

[Double A]

Hi'm hin.

[Joooray]

I'd be interested to play as well. :bow:

If you are planning on starting this anytime soon, you might want to move it (or make it move) to the main Gameroom forum, because I think few people even take notice of this over here. And it's not like there is a lot of competition for this game at the moment.

[johnhughthom]

I think there's a few in front of Capt B in the queue Joooray, I agree though that once it moves to the Gameroom interest should pick up. Looking forward to this one.

[Captain Blackadder]

Well ATPG and DIY are both ahead of me in the line so there is a little while to go untill this game will start.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will join to support this game.

I think it is a shame you didn't get enough people for the Time Travelers game, so I'm reporting for duty friend.

[Joooray]

Well ATPG and DIY are both ahead of me in the line so there is a little while to go untill this game will start.

Sorry, didn't look at the queue. Though I was wondering who will fill the spot left by the cancellation of Yasei's game. After all there is no game running at the moment.

GH is next in line, but I'm not sure he is ready to go yet, neither do I know it about DIY and Atpg. I just feel like, the longer there is no big game, or even small game for that matter, people will loose interest in the Gameroom and we might loose even more player or at least have a difficult time to get them all back.

But that's not for me to decide, because the GMs will have to do the work and I can't make them start earlier, nor do I want to. But it's just something to consider.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is the large Inavi game running at the moment, and a paused small game and a running small game (Parasite). Death is Yonder is in front of me, and I am ready to go for the small game.

GH's game I'm sure will open soon enough. And if you're feeling a lack of games, try the Mafia section at TWC, there are 3 games in sign ups and badly needing replacement players in the Zelda game.

[Joooray]

There is the large Inavi game running at the moment, and a paused small game and a running small game (Parasite). Death is Yonder is in front of me, and I am ready to go for the small game.

GH's game I'm sure will open soon enough. And if you're feeling a lack of games, try the Mafia section at TWC, there are 3 games in sign ups and badly needing replacement players in the Zelda game.

True, I totally forgot about Inavi, since I was killed in the first night phase and was not allowed to post thereafter, I haven't been following that game. And you are correct about Parasite of course as well. Sorry. :sweatdrop:

I have joined a game over at TWC, but they don't seem to be able to fill there games any better than over here.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to GH's game a lot and didn't want to sound to complainy, it just felt like the Gameroom has fallen kinda dormant at the moment.

Also I will stop spamming this thread now. Sorry. :shame:

Edit: Also, I just realized this is a small game, I don't know why I thought it was a big game. Man, I'm a bit confused. :shame:

[Csargo]

I'll play

[Romanic]

I did not think this game was waiting for another before it could start. How is it possible? There's only one small game running, and it's Beskar's Parasite, which is on hold. If there's games before this one, where are they? I want to signup. :grin:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In.

The other games should start their thread or get jumped.

[Death is yonder]

Well ATPG and DIY are both ahead of me in the line so there is a little while to go untill this game will start.


In.

The other games should start their thread or get jumped.

Technically speaking, I applied for the 3rd slot in October (roughly 16th Oct onward I guess), as from this period till then, I am busy with exams etc. I will be totally unable to host a game until then. :bow:

It appears I have not noticed the revamped small game queue which has switched out from a month by month basis to a priority/queue.

[ByzantineKnight]

well if signups are still open...

In!!

[Captain Blackadder]

Only 8 more people required

[TheFlax]

I'm in.

[Diamondeye]

In.

Oh, and I think Carthage should be destroyed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My net access may continue, so keep me in this one until further notice.

I'm dropping from basically everything else. Still need to get life sorted.

Support the gameroom, join this game.

[Winston Hughes]

Support the gameroom, join this game.

No sooner said than done. I'm in.

[God Emperor]

IN =)

[autolycus]

I can't miss games with Atpg In them.

[White_eyes:D]

I am up for this:bow: IN

[Csargo]

Just a couple more. :bounce:

[Captain Blackadder]

Writing the Role PM's now halfway there only two more places avalible.

[ULC]

In!

[Secura]

I'll fill the last spot, then.

[Captain Blackadder]

Let the Games begin this round will be a little longer as sending out the Pms took longer than expected.

For everyones information

Cicero is Csargo

Catiline is Saskai

Enjoy

[Diamondeye]

Is simply Tullianum: Sasaki too simple to work?

[Romanic]

Tullianum: Double A

No lurker policy! Who's interested to sign it?

Double A will be lurking, he's way too busy playing Civilizations V, and he dropped from games on TWC because of it. Is there a better time to lynch a lurker than day 1?

[ByzantineKnight]

Is simply Tullianum: Sasaki too simple to work?

*sigh* and here I was going to post "*insert obligatory Vote: Sasaki here*"

[Secura]

Double A will be lurking

Double A probably won't be playing mafia at all, expressing such a sentiment in the Zelda and Parasite games; your vote is for someone who will be inactive and essentially WOG'd rather than a lurker... this strikes me as something that you would know, yet you label him as a lurker.

Trying to appeal to everyone else to follow suit with your "anti-lurker crusade", particularly at such an early stage when 'no lynch' is usually more favourable and when we have a roster of generally active players in the game, makes me further question the motive behind your vote.

Tullianum: Romanic

[Romanic]

Double A probably won't be playing mafia at all, expressing such a sentiment in the Zelda and Parasite games; your vote is for someone who will be inactive and essentially WOG'd rather than a lurker... this strikes me as something that you would know, yet you label him as a lurker.

Trying to appeal to everyone else to follow suit with your "anti-lurker crusade", particularly at such an early stage when 'no lynch' is usually more favourable and when we have a roster of generally active players in the game, makes me further question the motive behind your vote.

Tullianum: Romanic

I have not seen any rule about WOGs, and Double A as a lurker or inactive means the same thing: He will be useless. Day 1 is a good day to lynch a lurker, proposing the same thing on Day 3 would be foolish as we will have more information to work with.

Considering how you recently spoke about inactive players, and games you've played having many of them, I'm surprised you are taking this easy route to lynch me for this idea.

[ULC]

Why are we voting for Tullianm instead of Exilium? I'd think it'd make more sense to exile those we suspect first - no need to kill those who may be innocent of sedition.

[Romanic]

Why are we voting for Tullianm instead of Exilium? I'd think it'd make more sense to exile those we suspect first - no need to kill those who may be innocent of sedition.

I agree... mostly. Double A should be lynched outright, but the other votes should be exile votes until we know more, specially Secura's vote :wiseguy:

[ByzantineKnight]

I agree... mostly. Double A should be lynched outright, but the other votes should be exile votes until we know more, specially Secura's vote :wiseguy:

We could always wait to see if Double A is going to at least show up, the game hasn't been up for that long...

I agree with YLC... We should vote to exile to be safe...

[Romanic]

We could always wait to see if Double A is going to at least show up, the game hasn't been up for that long...

I agree with YLC... We should vote to exile to be safe...

You could also start by voting someone else than Sasaki or Csargo, lynching them will have no effect:


Both Cicero and Catiline will be known figures both are unkillable until the men protecting them are killed.

[johnhughthom]

I would like to hear from Cicero and Catalina before I decide anything.

[Secura]

I have not seen any rule about WOGs

WOGs are part-and-parcel of mafia, no host is going to leave a player inactive for the course of the game, either seeking replacement or just cracking the WOG... it doesn't need to be written down for a host to do it, it's usually a given.


Double A as a lurker or inactive means the same thing: he will be useless.

I can actually agree on this, but now that I think about it more, a replacement at this stage would probably be a better idea, t'isn't denying the town a vote just because someone's not playing.


Considering how you recently spoke about inactive players

Inactive players frustrate me to no end, you're right... I just don't see the point in using a lynch on one.


I'm surprised you are taking this easy route to lynch me for this idea.

It simply seemed a little off to me that someone would make such a suggestion at this stage of the game; as for my... sharp response to your vote, well I'm sick of being the player who has a bark worse than a bite and is seen as perhaps a bit of a pushover, so thought I'd press a little more.

I wasn't even going to sign up for any more games after Parasite/Inavi, which were meant to be my last, but someone twisted my arm so I stuck around a little longer; thought I may as well try a different approach to playing the game.

unTullianm, anyway.

[ByzantineKnight]

You could also start by voting someone else than Sasaki or Csargo, lynching them will have no effect:

I'm not voting anyone unless my comment at the beginning counts.

*insert obligatory Unvote: Sasaki*

[ULC]

Exilium: Double A

Although we lack a lead, we have a possibility, and I'd like to lead by example.

[Csargo]

I don't think lynching Double A at this point is a good idea.

Tullianum: DE

[Romanic]

It simply seemed a little off to me that someone would make such a suggestion at this stage of the game; as for my... sharp response to your vote, well I'm sick of being the player who has a bark worse than a bite and is seen as perhaps a bit of a pushover, so thought I'd press a little more.


:laugh4: "a bark worse than a bite" - I can't figure what you mean by that. In real life I would think it means someone who makes a lot of noise but never acts, make threats but never follow through. But what does it means in a mafia game context?

You're a good player, you often read situations correctly and you vote accordingly. You're a dangerous townie when you're active enough, what's lacking in your bark?



I wasn't even going to sign up for any more games after Parasite/Inavi, which were meant to be my last, but someone twisted my arm so I stuck around a little longer; thought I may as well try a different approach to playing the game.

unTullianm, anyway.

I'm glad this someone twisted your arm then, because I like to play with you. Don't stop! :beam:

And thanks for unTullianming unvoting me. :sweatdrop:




*insert obligatory Unvote: Sasaki*

What's up with the "insert obligatory" part of your vote?

Welcome back to mafia btw.



Exilium: Double A

Although we lack a lead, we have a possibility, and I'd like to lead by example.

unTullianm; Exilium: Double A

I can live with that.... I think, although it's not clear what happens to exiled players. They are still in the game, but are they counted as remaining townies for winning conditions? What can they do? etc.. The rules says:


Vote Exilium This exiles the person chosen by the senate they may no longer be helped by any roman citizen. They can be given no shelter nor no food. At any time this may be reversed with Vote Recall

"they may no longer be helped by any roman citizen" .... :inquisitive: ?
"No shelter, no food" also, meaning what?

Edit: actually: "no shelter, no food" may mean they do not count toward victory condition, since they are not living in Rome anymore.

[Csargo]

I can't say I fully understand the concept either. Can we Recall someone and still exile/lynch someone in the same phase?

[Diamondeye]

Unvote: Sasaki, Exile: Csargo
I don't understand your vote on me. Why tullanium on day one?

[Csargo]

Unvote: Sasaki, Exile: Csargo
I don't understand your vote on me. Why tullanium on day one?

I don't see the point of exiling anyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Sasaki, Exile: Csargo
I don't understand your vote on me. Why tullanium on day one?

OMGUS round one:

Tullanium: Diamondeye

No offense.


Also, new signature line!

[ByzantineKnight]

What's up with the "insert obligatory" part of your vote?

Welcome back to mafia btw.

The "insert obligatory" is in reference to the tradition of starting every mafia game with a Vote: Sasaki

and thank you sir :bow:

So Exilium is basically a vote but it can be undone by allowing them to return to Rome? If that is the case I don't think that we should use any other method...

[White_eyes:D]

Is it just me? or does DE seem too scummy or just plain crazy?(I recall him saying he was mafia once for no reason other then attention):laugh4:

Something about his comment stikes me as odd and forced.:inquisitive:

I am willing to see what exilement does Vote Exilium:DE

[Askthepizzaguy]

That just sent me three messages to my inbox.

The Matrix has spoken. It's deja vu, therefore White_Eyes is actually an Agent.

However, as Neo, I don't fear you White_eyes. You get a pass because you have been absent for a while.


Cue accusing me...... now.

[Csargo]

Well...

[White_eyes:D]

Cue accusing me...... now. Accusing ATPG=White_eyes:D lynch 99.9% of the time.:rolleyes:

It's sad that I was right about it just as much too...:shame:

I want to see what exilement does...your one game where we had ninja duels got us all killed too fast:sweatdrop:(I still say it was worth it though:grin2:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Accusing ATPG=White_eyes:D lynch 99.9% of the time.:rolleyes:

It's sad that I was right about it just as much too...:shame:

I want to see what exilement does...your one game where we had ninja duels got us all killed too fast:sweatdrop:(I still say it was worth it though:grin2:)

So do I. Khaan as a ninja was too awesome to be contained within my head, so it exploded and I had to buy a new one at Sears. Halloween special, I am now orange in color and have crooked teeth and a candle for a brain.

[White_eyes:D]

....Now I know I am not being taken seriously:wacko:

[Beskar]

Cicero is Csargo

Catiline is Saskai

LOL. Csargo versus Sasaki, the re-match.

[autolycus]

I'm trying to persuade johnhughthom to play in my mini-mafia game on the .net. Maybe eliminating him in this game will increase the likelihood of him agreeing :).
Exilium:johnhughtom

[Secura]

But what does it means in a mafia game context?

Look back at the Parasite game; how many people did I threaten to shoot outright because of their scummy behaviour? There was God Emperor, Pizza, you, Arpeg, Death is Yonder... but how many kills did I actually get?

I think it was zero... all talk and no action, which is a somewhat recurring theme for me in mafia. >.<


I'm glad this someone twisted your arm then, because I like to play with you.

T'is just this one game and autolycus' at TWC, that's all. :3

[God Emperor]

Are there role reveals upon death?

Exilium: Byzantineknight

[ULC]

Are there role reveals upon death?

Exilium: Byzantineknight

Exile is not death my dear Armored Eastern Roman.

[Captain Blackadder]

I can't say I fully understand the concept either. Can we Recall someone and still exile/lynch someone in the same phase?

You can Recall and exile in the same day phase.

[White_eyes:D]

Why is everyone being so bloodthirsty?:help:

[Diamondeye]

I guess my first townie game for as long as I can recall is a good game to die on day 1 in. Do we have a :cigar: smilie on this forum?

[ULC]

I was hoping for a more enlightened approach to day one. Either some people are significantly more informed about what Exilium does, or they are more informed of DE's status - it still gives us information though.

[TheFlax]

(First off, apologies for not posting earlier, due to a full inbox I did not receive my role until today and I prefer to know what my role is before getting into the game)

I think day 1 is the perfect time to find out was Exilium does, since its the day where we have the lowest odds of finding scum.

I'd rather pick someone else, but Exilium: Double A since he's the one most voted for exile.

One thing I've noticed in games where you can vote for different effects to happen to someone, is that the person who to most people want voted off might slip away if they divide their voting between two different "methods", suddenly putting a second candidate in the lead with a few votes. We'll have to watch out for that.

[ByzantineKnight]

Exilium: Byzantineknight

okay... O.o


Voting

There are two ways that you can vote at anytime

The first is

Vote Exilium This exiles the person chosen by the senate they may no longer be helped by any roman citizen. They can be given no shelter nor no food. At any time this may be reversed with Vote Recall

The Second is

Vote Tullianum. This takes the person voted and throws them into the Mamertine Prison where they are to be killed.

I think until we are certain about someone being scummy we should just exile them... that way we can always vote to recall (at any time apparently) so it is much safer for us... But I would still like to know what the specific in-game effects of exile are

[Beskar]

I think until we are certain about someone being scummy we should just exile them... that way we can always vote to recall (at any time apparently) so it is much safer for us... But I would still like to know what the specific in-game effects of exile are

They return from Gaul with three veteran legions and take on the Senate, who are unprepared and not enough time to levy troops.

[ByzantineKnight]

They return from Gaul with three veteran legions and take on the Senate, who are unprepared and not enough time to levy troops.

:laugh4:

Well if thats the case, throw them to the lions!! :leo:

[Winston Hughes]

I would like to hear from Cicero and Catalina before I decide anything.

Not voting for me, eh? :inquisitive:

Exilium: johnhughthom

[Captain Blackadder]

okay... O.o



I think until we are certain about someone being scummy we should just exile them... that way we can always vote to recall (at any time apparently) so it is much safer for us... But I would still like to know what the specific in-game effects of exile are

They are simply temporarly out of the game. They do not count towards anyones victory conditions but be warned some people will not be happy to be exiled and let's just say something interesting could happen if you exile certain people.

[Captain Blackadder]

The Round is over prepare for write up

[Captain Blackadder]

Exilium

YLC
Romanic
DiamondEye
White Eyes
autoclyus
God Emperor
TheFlax
Winston Hughes

Tullianum
Csargo
ATPG

Person to be Exiled

Csargo, DiamondEye
Double A Romanic, YLC, The Flax
Romanic, Secura
DiamondEyes Csargo, ATPG, White Eyes
Johnhughthom, Autolycus, Winston Hughes
Byzantine Knight, God Emperor


As the sun falls over the Senate House the debate rages on Cicero gets up on the Rostra and is given the floor.

Hail to thee Good Romans one and all have we reached a decision as to what we shall do to the person we decide to take action on this fine day?

Exile roars back the Senate with only a few voices dissenting amongst the crowd. But these people are shouted down by the rest of the Senate implying that they are too blood thirsty and are giving into emotions and that true Romans hide their feelings. They also imply that the people dissenting are Greek lovers and thus unworthy Romans.

Cicero continues

It is indeed good that the Senate is decisive for it is that form of action that is required in these the darkest of all times. This the time that all good Romans fear not of the actions of barbarians outside of Rome but of the enemies within our gates. These men who sit amongst us plotting will be scared by this decisive action. Has the Senate decided who is to be exiled on this day?

With this a great roar erupts in the Senate with many people pointing out that a certain Senator has yet to arrive and thus it is clear that he is the guilty one for what does a good roman have to fear. Why would he not be brave enough to have input on this day? However a second great roar erupts for the person who voted that Cicero be exiled. They say it is clear he is a creature of Catiline for who would vote against the man who alerted this great Hall to the threat that lies within our walls. Plus they say how could he be a Senator when he does not even know that Cicero as standing Consul has Imperium and is thus beyond the reach of the Senate in voting for these matters.

The argument continues and it soon becomes clear that there will be no clear winner. The sun sets and Cicero gets up one more time

With the setting of the Sun I call this meeting of the Senate to an end with no clear decision reached amongst our fellow Senators there can only be one course of action no one shall be exiled today for I will not ruin someones life taking all that they own on the bases of a divided Senate I thank you all


Begin Night 1

[ULC]

Well, that was useful - anyone else want explain the lack of a decisive vote?

[johnhughthom]

Perhaps it takes a clear majority for an action to succeed.

[ByzantineKnight]

Well, that was useful - anyone else want explain the lack of a decisive vote?

why we didn't have a decisive vote? or why the votes didn't count?

[Romanic]

The tally should have been:

3 Exile Double A (Romanic, theFlax, YLC)
2 Tull Diamondeye (ATPG, Csargo)
2 Exile johnhughthom (Autolycus, Winston)
1 Exile Csargo (Diamondeye)
1 Exile ByzantineKnight (Gold Emperor)
1 Exile Diamondeye (White_eyes:D)

So normally Double A should have been exiled, however it seems that, unlike other games with different lynch methods, our votes comes in 2 independent parts, meaning the "how" and the "who" are not linked together, they are 2 different tallies:`

"How" tally
8 Exilium (Auto, DE, GE, Romanic, Flax, WE. Winston, YLC)
2 Tullianum (ATPG, Csargo)

"Who" tally
3 Double A (Romanic, theFlax, YLC)
3 Diamondeye (ATPG, Csargo, White_eyes:D)
2 johnhughthom (Autolycus, Winston)
1 Csargo (Diamondeye)
1 ByzantineKnight (Gold Emperor)

Double A and Diamondeye are tied in the lead, there's no clear winner, thus a no-lynch. That's how I figure it works, from how the writeup was written.

[Joooray]

Sorry, I missed the first phase. As I mentioned elsewhere, I was away for the weekend.

[Double A]

Oh, to hell with Civ V. ATPG's announcement made me realize how much I love mafia... I'll be fine as long as I don't overextend myself like the last 20 times.

Well, I'm glad you all didn't come to a decision regarding who to exile. Uhm... so... hi. Again.

[ByzantineKnight]

good to have you with us :)

Romanic's theory sounds right... so that means we just lost our first lynch/exile?

[Diamondeye]

Oh, to hell with Civ V.

Betrayer of the true path! :stare:

[johnhughthom]

Betrayer of the true path! :stare:

What he really means is "Mommy wouldn't buy me Civ 5, so I'll slum it with you guys a bit longer."

[Diamondeye]

What he really means is "Mommy wouldn't buy me Civ 5, so I'll slum it with you guys a bit longer."

I just left the store but they won't have it home for another two hours, so that's pretty much my situation as well.
After that, though, you might want to try and contact me on steam through God Emperor, Beskar or Double A. If you can get in contact with them... :laugh4:

[Captain Blackadder]

Night One

As night falls over the city of Rome the Senators are scared beyond belief no one has being exiled so who is going to die this very night. Two murderers walk the streets talking to each other over who it is they should kill they duck through the alleyways of Rome avoiding the scummy areas. At night time the wealthy areas of Rome are empty no one goes out after dark unless they have something untoward planned and these two men have something very untoward planned indeed.As they see their targets house they split up heading off to their various targets. The first man enters into a house that is deceptively plain. It has no flashy ornaments no garish displays of wealth this is a house of a man who knows he is rich and does not merely think he is. This is the house of Marcus Crassus richest man in all of Rome a man who at last count had 200 million sesterces the equal of the treasury of all of Rome. However for all his wealth and power it will not save him from the butcher’s knife and with his death a great blow will be struck for the poor men of Rome for much of their debt was in his hands. The killer stalks his prey pulling out a small Gladius he sneaks through the house passed the sleeping servants and into the bedchamber of Marcus Crassus (autolycus) his raises his swords to strike and kill Crassus in a single blow he then quickly flees back into the city leaving no evidence of what Senator he is. Crassus is not a man that will be mourned but his death puzzles the Senators of Rome for if a man of his power can be killed like that what hope has the rest of the group of surviving these trying times.

The Second Killer walks to the Hills of the Palatine the wealthiest area of Rome he attempts to enter a house belonging to the Consul Cicero however as he attempts to gain entry he is spotted by Tiro the servant of Cicero and runs off into the night. Killing Cicero will be no easy task it will require far more planning to have any chance of succeeding many others will have to die before Cicero will be unprotected.

The next morning and the Senate meets once again but in the night-time two messages have being placed on the walls of the Senate they read as follows
"Exile not the man who would be king, lest he return in triumph."
And the second reads
"Don't trust God Emperor. He does not have the best interests of the Republic at heart."

Cicero gets up on the Rostra and begins to speak.

My fellow Romans good men to the man we have much to fear over the following days just last night a cowardly assassin attempted to kill me your beloved Consul.Thes men failed in their task just as they will fail at all they do. However I have some sad news Crassus is dead, he was a friend of mine, he brought the news of this plot to my attention and it appears that he has paid for it with his life. In light of his noble sacrifice for the Republic I put forward a motion that we, the Senate, put on a series of Gladitorial Games in the Forum in his honour. All those opposed to this motion speak now.

There is no response.

All in favour.

With this the great roar once again moves across the Senate like a wave.

Motion Carried. Now let us all vote on whom should be sent to his death or who should be exiled.

Autolycus (Marcus Crassus) is dead

[autolycus]

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

[Diamondeye]

I suggest we recall me, seeing as there have been plenty of murderous business. Also, the hell, Crassus gone on night one? Tough jerkey.

I don't have anything to say on the topic of the notes... I don't have any reason to believe GE to be guilty but neither to suggest his innocence. The other is more cryptic. I suppose it means that we should never exile Catalina; That'll mean a loss.

EDIT: O and @the host: Have you read Conn Iggulden's series on Caesar? It's very much in the spirit of this game, I feel. And is the no-punctuation-politic voluntary? My head hurts.

[Captain Blackadder]

I have read some of them I am not a fan it takes far too much liberties with history. Its potrayal of Cato in particuler irks me. As for puncutation it is a flaw of mine. When I focus on puncuation it is a lot better. I suppose in many ways I am like how someone desribed catch 22. "It appears not so much to have being written but shouted onto the page."

[God Emperor]

"Don't trust God Emperor. He does not have the best interests of the Republic at heart."



hmm.. It would appear that a person has the ability to to enter text in the writeup, similar to the telepathy ability in parasite.
Anyway, I think Romanic might be right, and we must therefore each day phase make sure that a tie does not occur.
Personally I don't like bandwagons in the start of the game, so I am going to Vote Exilium TheFlax for the late bandwagon vote

[ByzantineKnight]

I suppose it means that we should never exile Catalina

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Catalina was already exiled/kicked out of the senate... Or was that just part of story?

So what we know so far...

17 Players

Alive:

Johnhughthom
Beskar
Romanic
Double A
Joooray
Csargo Cicero
Romanic
Saskai Catalina (Exiled?)
ByzantineKnight
ATPG
TheFlax
DiamondEye
WInstonHughes
GodEmperor (Mafia?)
White Eyes
YLC
Secura

Dead:

Autolycus Crassus (Unique Role?)

If we assume that all the named characters in the intro and writeups are unique roles then we have:

Cicero (Accounted For)
Catalina (Accounted For)
Crassus (Accounted For) (Dead)

Gaius Antonius Hybrida (Co-Consul)
Praetor Quintus Arrius (Maybe a detective or vigilante type because of his military background?)
Tiro (protects Cicero)
Marcellus and Nasica (Possibly doctor type roles that can protect Cicero as well?) at least I assume there is more than just Tiro because it said that "many others will have to die before Cicero will be unprotected."
But the intro also said that they were assumed to be supporters of Catalina... So was that a typo or does it mean that they are mafia?

That means 8 - 10 special roles including mafia, right?

so 7-9 special roles spread amongst the remaining 16 players if my math/reasoning is right...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tullanium: Johnhughthom

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar, how would you feel if Johnhughthom was put to death? And, would you support such a measure?

[johnhughthom]

I'm guessing my failure to lodge a vote last round has drawn your attention? I expected Cicero and Catalina to make a bigger contribution to the game than they did last round and didn't get a chance to vote after my comment saying I was waiting for them to post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm guessing my failure to lodge a vote last round has drawn your attention? I expected Cicero and Catalina to make a bigger contribution to the game than they did last round and didn't get a chance to vote after my comment saying I was waiting for them to post.

Then I suspect you have time to comment now. Who should be put to death?

[johnhughthom]

I'll tell you my opinion on that if you enlighten me as to why Beskar would have a strong opinion on whether I should be put to death.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll tell you my opinion on that if you enlighten me as to why Beskar would have a strong opinion on whether I should be put to death.

I believe whether he has an opinion at all regarding your death remains to be seen. Which is why I posed the question.

[johnhughthom]

If you wanted to draw a quiet player out you would ask a general question on the game, you asked Beskar a very specific question which leads me to think you suspect a link.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you wanted to draw a quiet player out you would ask a general question on the game, you asked Beskar a very specific question which leads me to think you suspect a link.

:wink:

[johnhughthom]

Bah, I could strangle whoever put a roof over your head...








:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah, I could strangle whoever put a roof over your head...

You've given me reasons to leave my vote where it is, because you seem incredibly adept at reading my mind, and to be frank, only mafia know how to do that.

Tell me why I think Beskar is suspicious. While you're at it, what number am I thinking of?

[ByzantineKnight]

Tullanium

Shiesh.. people are so bloodthirsty... Or am I just missing something?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no use for exiling Crassus' murderer. The guilty parties should be put to death.

Those that crave leniency are either cowards or co-conspirators, in my opinion.

[Winston Hughes]

Autolycus asked me yesterday if I knew anything about God Emperor, which makes me wonder if he was the source of that message in the write-up.

Any idea what Auto was looking for, GE?

[God Emperor]

Autolycus asked me yesterday if I knew anything about God Emperor, which makes me wonder if he was the source of that message in the write-up.

Any idea what Auto was looking for, GE?

No not at all. I haven't been in contact with anyone privately about this game yet

[White_eyes:D]

Anyone else think it was weird of the mafia to try and kill Csargo, even though he is unkillable till his men die?(It was clearly stated in the OP):confused:

Either the most clever plot ever or a random kill gone wrong, leaning more toward random and not playing much attention to this game.:idea2:

Exilium:Joooray since he seems to fit the bill...(ignores that that could be over half the players at present):sweatdrop:

[ByzantineKnight]

I have no use for exiling Crassus' murderer. The guilty parties should be put to death.

Those that crave leniency are either cowards or co-conspirators, in my opinion.

Do we know for certain he is guilty? because if we do then by all means, lynch him

I just don't remember him being guilty, to me it just sounded like trying to start a bandwagon... If you have any evidence you could always post it you know, share whats going on with the rest of us...

EDIT: If you are trying to get him to talk which may be the case then go ahead, I just didn't understand your reasoning

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do we know for certain he is guilty? because if we do then by all means, lynch him

I just don't remember him being guilty, to me it just sounded like trying to start a bandwagon... If you have any evidence you could always post it you know, share whats going on with the rest of us...

EDIT: If you are trying to get him to talk which may be the case then go ahead, I just didn't understand your reasoning

I note that after his failure to vote yesterday, even after prodding, he has failed to accuse anyone again today. Although he ponders much on the reasoning for my vote, he does not ponder much on who is guilty. Or if he has, he isn't showing it.

I also note that using the democratic process to administer justice seems just, it also necessitates bandwagoning to accomplish anything. One vote hardly constitutes a bandwagon anyway. Have you any better ideas for bringing the ones responsible to justice, feel free to mention them.

[Joooray]

Exilium:Joooray since he seems to fit the bill...(ignores that that could be over half the players at present):sweatdrop:

So, does this imply that you think me stupid enough to try to kill someone I know is well protected? That's an outrage, my good sir. I may be past my prime, but my head still works well, my friend.

Anyway, I don't think we will have much to go on this time around. Those foul murders will certain know how to cover their behinds.
But I'm also intrigued by the implied connections between Sen. Beskar and Sen. john. Could you elaborate, my good Sen. pizza?

[ByzantineKnight]

I also note that using the democratic process to administer justice seems just, it also necessitates bandwagoning to accomplish anything. One vote hardly constitutes a bandwagon anyway. Have you any better ideas for bringing the ones responsible to justice, feel free to mention them.

I misinterpreted your tone as trying to get a bandwagon on him and/or a bloodthirsty desire to lynch him without anything other than suspicious behavior

Otherwise I have no objection to who you accuse or how you accuse them... Except as I stated before, I believe Exile is the better of the two options for the town...

I would still like to hear from God Emperor about why he wouldn't have the best interests of the republic at heart

[Askthepizzaguy]

But I'm also intrigued by the implied connections between Sen. Beskar and Sen. john. Could you elaborate, my good Sen. pizza?

I would most certainly elaborate, but right now I am enjoying the awkward silence presented by the right honorable senators Beskar and John, especially from John.

The quiet is almost musical to my ears.


I misinterpreted your tone as trying to get a bandwagon on him and/or a bloodthirsty desire to lynch him without anything other than suspicious behavior

Otherwise I have no objection to who you accuse or how you accuse them... Except as I stated before, I believe Exile is the better of the two options for the town...

I would still like to hear from God Emperor about why he wouldn't have the best interests of the republic at heart

If you refer to the message posted for all to see, then surely you must be jesting.

Since it has been only one night, it is not an anonymous message from some would-be investigator informing us that the good Emperor is a slime mold in disguise, because there wouldn't have been enough time for such a report to have been properly gathered.

What you see, sir, is a lie. A lie for what purpose, I do not know, but it is clearly a lie. Why you focus so on this lie leads me to believe that you yourself wrote it.

Do explain why you give any thought to this foolishness.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually, a thought crosses my mind:

The first reads-

"Exile not the man who would be king, lest he return in triumph."

And the second reads-

"Don't trust God Emperor. He does not have the best interests of the Republic at heart."


I believe that Csargo wrote the first one, and Sasaki wrote the second one.


Cicero is Csargo

Catiline is Saskai

It is possible that Cicero and Catiline have the ability to post messages for us to read.

Csargo, given such an ability, would probably be advocating for outright imprisonment and death of those voted, in an authoritative manner. Sasaki, given such an ability, would cause confusion, suspicion, and mayhem for his own amusement.

What do I win?

[TheFlax]

hmm.. It would appear that a person has the ability to to enter text in the writeup, similar to the telepathy ability in parasite.
Anyway, I think Romanic might be right, and we must therefore each day phase make sure that a tie does not occur.
Personally I don't like bandwagons in the start of the game, so I am going to Vote Exilium TheFlax for the late bandwagon vote

Let me get this straight, you're accusing me of bandwagonning a player who hasn't even shown up yet, because I wanted to see how Exilium worked, while a player that had been contributing was, to be the best of my knowledge at time, on the way to being executed. Why select me over the third voter on DiamondEye? Do you think he had a better reason to vote?

[Csargo]

I don't believe exiling people is a good idea. I think I've already stated that, but I'll say it again just to be sure. The possibility of them joining Catiline when recalled is more than enough for me to think it's a bad idea.

At this point john or Joooray are good choices for the lynch. Tullanium: Johnhughthom

[White_eyes:D]

So, does this imply that you think me stupid enough to try to kill someone I know is well protected? That's an outrage, my good sir. I may be past my prime, but my head still works well, my friend. I just about unvoted you for this but your missing a vote on someone. Too many people are "towing the line" as my netural-mind friend as says. Vote for someone and the vote comes off.:bow:

[TheFlax]

I believe that Csargo wrote the first one, and Sasaki wrote the second one.

It is possible that Cicero and Catiline have the ability to post messages for us to read.

Csargo, given such an ability, would probably be advocating for outright imprisonment and death of those voted, in an authoritative manner. Sasaki, given such an ability, would cause confusion, suspicion, and mayhem for his own amusement.

What do I win?

I believe you are right. To refer to a comment you said earlier about the second message that dovetails into what you are saying now, sure it is misdirection, but it doesn't make someone less suspicious in my mind. I think these types of messages should generally be ignored.

[Csargo]

I think you should leave it on W_E. His response to it was strange imo.

[White_eyes:D]

Why select me over the third voter on DiamondEye? Do you think he had a better reason to vote?
I wanted to exile him to see how it worked...we needed a majority for death for it to even work anyway:shrug:

[ByzantineKnight]

If you refer to the message posted for all to see, then surely you must be jesting.

Since it has been only one night, it is not an anonymous message from some would-be investigator informing us that the good Emperor is a slime mold in disguise, because there wouldn't have been enough time for such a report to have been properly gathered.

You know... I really didn't think of that :blush:... I saw Diamond Eye post about not exiling Catalina and I assumed that the rest would be trustworthy...




What you see, sir, is a lie. A lie for what purpose, I do not know, but it is clearly a lie. Why you focus so on this lie leads me to believe that you yourself wrote it.

Do explain why you give any thought to this foolishness.

Unless the basic role of detective has changed in this game then you are right and it doesn't make sense... *sigh* I'll get used to these games again yet

But anyways, since the posted message is a lie we can assume that God Emperor is a townie, right?

[Csargo]

Not really, no.

[TheFlax]

I wanted to exile him to see how it worked...we needed a majority for death for it to even work anyway:shrug:

I'm not questioning you WE, I'm just wondering if GE is making a lazy vote or if he has some sort of reasoning behind his vote.

I'll even up the ante, until you reply God Emperor:

Tullanium: God Emperor

[Joooray]

I just about unvoted you for this but your missing a vote on someone. Too many people are "towing the line" as my netural-mind friend as says. Vote for someone and the vote comes off.:bow:

Fair enough. I shall Tullianum: Beskar. For one he should be pressured to be active, also he has been put in connection with john and I don't want to bandwagon him.

I would vote Sasaki as his silence is unnerving, then again it wouldn't work and also with him being thrown out he may be refrained from letting his voice be heard at this point. This would also give credibility to Sen. pizza's claim that one of the messages is his doing.

[God Emperor]

What do I win?

Here have a balloon:balloon2: . . It is a good theory though I do not understand what the first part is supposed to mean. The part about exiling the wanna-be king.




But anyways, since the posted message is a lie we can assume that God Emperor is a townie, right?

Well.. From your perspective, you can not really make anything out of it. Askthepizzaguy's theory is good, and properly correct but we do not know for sure. You see, Winston believed that Autolycus posted it because he apparently was searching for me.


Let me get this straight, you're accusing me of bandwagonning a player who hasn't even shown up yet, because I wanted to see how Exilium worked, while a player that had been contributing was, to be the best of my knowledge at time, on the way to being executed. Why select me over the third voter on DiamondEye? Do you think he had a better reason to vote?

No, I vote Exile because I do not like to lynch before perhaps the next round when we have some posts to work with. But exile is a little tricky in this game, so perhaps a lynch is the best.. it all really comes down to how many players that would be affected by the 'funny thing happen to you in exile'.

But no, I don't think people have any good reasons for a first round vote. If I was certain you were mafia I would not use my vote as an exile vote. I voted one of the two bandwagon late voters, and it happened to be you

[johnhughthom]

Not an awkward silence from me, watching football (real football, not padding and cheerleaders). Half time now, I'll comment more in 45 mins or so.

[White_eyes:D]

Joooray has the right idea...UnExilium:Joooray Exilium:Double A we didn't hear from you yet:oops:

[Csargo]

Joooray has the right idea...UnExilium:Joooray Exilium:Double A we didn't hear from you yet:oops:

Why exile over lynch?

[Diamondeye]

I'm just airing the idea that I'd be able to tell whether exile actually does something if I'm recalled.

I'm perfectly fine with waiting until there has been another night phase before being recalled, though, since you might want to try and monitor kill number patterns.

Also, I'm most likely going to be murdered the night after my return since I'll be a likely innocent, so if there is a protector out there with nothing to do when I get back, well, I'd love you to cover me.

I think ATPG is catching on to something in regards to Beskar, but I'm not sure. I think the lead on GE is a dupe.

[Csargo]

I'm pretty sure you weren't exiled from what the end day phase write-up says. CB may have to make that clear unless you recieved a PM stating otherwise. Did you?

[ByzantineKnight]

Why exile over lynch?

It really all depends on whether the special thing happens when they are recalled or when they are exiled...

any word from Beskar?

Sorry for the sporadic replies, I'm in the middle of a Telemetry course and I try to check the thread at every break point but there's other stuff i have to do

[ULC]

I don't believe exiling people is a good idea. I think I've already stated that, but I'll say it again just to be sure. The possibility of them joining Catiline when recalled is more than enough for me to think it's a bad idea.

At this point john or Joooray are good choices for the lynch. Tullanium: Johnhughthom

Not to argue the point here, but - why bother recalling? As I understand it, recalling is a choice, not an automated function, so if we suspect recalling would be bad, then we simply don't - names appear to be revealed, so a little history will be enough to suffice to know whom never to recall. The only case in which i can possibly think Exilium would be bad is if it actively bolsters the mafia's ability to function.

Exilium: Secura, FOS: WE

Despite our discussion last night, I am still not convinced.

[Double A]

Joooray has the right idea...UnExilium:Joooray Exilium:Double A we didn't hear from you yet:oops:

Possibly because I was at school until just recently? :clown:

Well, here I am. What do you want to hear?

[Secura]

I am still not convinced.

Fair enough, there's only one way to change that.

Exilium: Secura

[Double A]

As a rule of thumb, I take people who self-vote with the same suspicion as suspected mafiosos.

So, what's with the self-vote Secura?

[Secura]

So, what's with the self-vote Secura?

To convince YLC about something I said to him last night; you should vote the same way, s'easier to prove my claim to him that way.

[Double A]

Hmm... I don't see any harm in it, so might as well Exillium: Secura, unless someone brings something up.

[White_eyes:D]

Possibly because I was at school until just recently? :clown:

Well, here I am. What do you want to hear? What is your opinion on what has happened so far?:book:

@Csargo:I just want people to talk without putting too much pressure on them. Would you like it if I went with pressure-lynch votes instead?:shrug:

[johnhughthom]

I do not understand what the first part is supposed to mean. The part about exiling the wanna-be king.

Could be a reference to Caesar, this post:


They return from Gaul with three veteran legions and take on the Senate, who are unprepared and not enough time to levy troops.

Could be taken as a Caesar roleclaim. Could.

[ByzantineKnight]

Could be taken as a Caesar roleclaim.

I think Beskar was making a joke but that's just me

[ULC]

Fair enough, there's only one way to change that.

Exilium: Secura

That's not how you convince me, try harder.

[Romanic]

I suggest we recall me, seeing as there have been plenty of murderous business. Also, the hell, Crassus gone on night one? Tough jerkey.

What do you mean by "recall" you?

Exiled people can be recalled, but you are not one. Day 1 ended in a "no decision", so why should we recall you?

[ByzantineKnight]

I was thinking about voting Secura but I'm a little hesitant because he seems to really want it.. part of his role? :dizzy2:

Exile: Beskar until he posts...

[Secura]

That's not how you convince me, try harder.

Nah, I'm not in the mood for playing guess-how-to-convince-YLC games; either say what you want to happen or wait for my claim to be proven true.

[Romanic]

Autolycus asked me yesterday if I knew anything about God Emperor, which makes me wonder if he was the source of that message in the write-up.

Any idea what Auto was looking for, GE?

Autolycus asked you about God Emperor specifically? I'm curious to know why. Surely you asked him why.

[Beskar]

I think Beskar was making a joke but that's just me

I thought the joke part was pretty obvious, since it was a direct reference to where the Senate exiled Caesar and declared him a traitor, and he then led three veteran legions in a swift capture of Rome.

[Romanic]

I believe that Csargo wrote the first one, and Sasaki wrote the second one.

It is possible that Cicero and Catiline have the ability to post messages for us to read.

Csargo, given such an ability, would probably be advocating for outright imprisonment and death of those voted, in an authoritative manner. Sasaki, given such an ability, would cause confusion, suspicion, and mayhem for his own amusement.

What do I win?

I bet you win nothing because you must be wrong.

Why would Cicero and Catiline have anonymous abilities when we know who they are? Surely if they wanted to say something, they could say it publicly. Also, a night ability would be odd for these men. I don't picture them getting up at night to stick anonymous messages on the Senate walls, and besides, I expect them to have better abilities than this.

But you get a candy for the effort. :laugh4:

[ULC]

Nah, I'm not in the mood for playing guess-how-to-convince-YLC games; either say what you want to happen or wait for my claim to be proven true.

I'm not asking you to guess how to convince me, Secura. Our conversation did not convince me of your innocence, and I voted for you because of that - there is no reason to behave like this, at all. I am not placing any obligation upon you to do anything, yet you are - why?

[Beskar]

Beskar, how would you feel if Johnhughthom was put to death?
Doesn't bother me in the slightest, he is an unknown to me.


And, would you support such a measure?

Why not?

Tullanium: Johnhughthom

[ULC]

UnExilium, Tullanium: Johnhughthom

Are you going to keep your word Beskar?

[Beskar]

Are you going to keep your word Beskar?

My word about what? I haven't a slightest inclination to who this 'johnhughthom' you speak of. I simply couldn't care much about the fate of the man who I do not know.

If it pleases the plebs, as they do performances and circus acts depicting the back-biting, infighting, as the streets run red with noble blood, then who are we to judge their indulgence?

[Csargo]

Not to argue the point here, but - why bother recalling? As I understand it, recalling is a choice, not an automated function, so if we suspect recalling would be bad, then we simply don't - names appear to be revealed, so a little history will be enough to suffice to know whom never to recall. The only case in which i can possibly think Exilium would be bad is if it actively bolsters the mafia's ability to function.

Exilium: Secura, FOS: WE

Despite our discussion last night, I am still not convinced.

Good point, I just don't want to end up giving Catiline any more recruits. I would imagine that who gets recruited is random, and that names probably won't tell very much. Probably just power roles imo.


To convince YLC about something I said to him last night; you should vote the same way, s'easier to prove my claim to him that way.

Do tell. I'd be interested in knowing what you claimed. I'm also a very trustworthy person. :grin:


What is your opinion on what has happened so far?:book:

@Csargo:I just want people to talk without putting too much pressure on them. Would you like it if I went with pressure-lynch votes instead?:shrug:

Yes please.

[Romanic]

Tullanium: God Emperor

It's written on the Senate walls that this man is dangerous!

[ByzantineKnight]

Tullanium: God Emperor

It's written on the Senate walls that this man is dangerous!

It is written on the Senate walls that God Emperor is dangerous, no?

[Romanic]

It is written on the Senate walls that God Emperor is dangerous, no?

Yes! It is written on the Senate walls that God Emperor is dangerous! :smug2:

[ByzantineKnight]

so why the vote for Johnhughthom?

[Romanic]

so why the vote for Johnhughthom?

The vote for Johnhughthom? :smug2:

[johnhughthom]

This game is getting silly, I'm bored. Wonder where my sisters are...

[johnhughthom]

Tullanium: YLC

[Csargo]

Why?

[Winston Hughes]

Tullanium: Diamondeye

He's acting like a baffled townie who isn't paying close attention to the thread, but I think he's overplayed it. And there's something about the earnestness of his posts that reminds me of other times he's been mafia (Parasite: Earthbound, for example).


Autolycus asked you about God Emperor specifically? I'm curious to know why. Surely you asked him why.

I asked, but he didn't reply.

[TheFlax]

No, I vote Exile because I do not like to lynch before perhaps the next round when we have some posts to work with. But exile is a little tricky in this game, so perhaps a lynch is the best.. it all really comes down to how many players that would be affected by the 'funny thing happen to you in exile'.

But no, I don't think people have any good reasons for a first round vote. If I was certain you were mafia I would not use my vote as an exile vote. I voted one of the two bandwagon late voters, and it happened to be you

Why so defensive about your Exilium vote? Unless you weren't replying to me by explaining why you picked Exilium? Because I don't have a particular issue with that. Though, if you have a preference for Exilium, why didn't you look at people who voted Tullanium on Diamondeye? I'll admit, I'm not really satisfied by your answer, especially the flip flopping about why you picked Exilium.

[ByzantineKnight]

The vote for Johnhughthom? :smug2:

sorry, I could have sworn that you voted for Johnhughthom not God Emperor

[God Emperor]

Why so defensive about your Exilium vote? Unless you weren't replying to me by explaining why you picked Exilium? Because I don't have a particular issue with that. Though, if you have a preference for Exilium, why didn't you look at people who voted Tullanium on Diamondeye? I'll admit, I'm not really satisfied by your answer, especially the flip flopping about why you picked Exilium.

I don't exactly understand what it is you want. I am sorry if you were not satisfied, but what exactly do you wish me to further explain? I can repeat my simple reason for voting you, but that seems a tad pointless when you can re read my previous reply.
I wanted to mention my thoughts on the exile/lynch possibilities, and yes perhaps it should have been done in a post for it self.

As for the "why didn't you vote people who voted for a lynch"; I don't see why I would do that? I have an idea that exile seems the best solution but it does not make it correct. I am sure not everyone shares this oppinion, but you think I should force my views upon others by voting them until they were agreeing?
I voted for you because of your late bandwagon and nothing more. You seem very upset about that vote, and I guess that's why you wish me to have a grand theory of who is guilty, at this early stage of the game.

[Double A]

This game is getting silly, I'm bored. Wonder where my sisters are...

Shall we commence with our usual exchange of insults, then?


What is your opinion on what has happened so far?:book:

@Csargo:I just want people to talk without putting too much pressure on them. Would you like it if I went with pressure-lynch votes instead?:shrug:

Well, the blip called Roman on my scumdar exploded with activity on his first post. Sure, I wasn't probably going to play... but why lynch the inactive rather than ask the host to look for a replacement? Sounds like someone wants one less senator to have to kill.

That's about it I suppose. Flaxy and YLC did vote for me too, but that was more of a "Meh, screw it, there's no one else to kill" vote to me than "Double A? More like Double Die! MUHAHA!" thing.

[TheFlax]

Well, the blip called Roman on my scumdar exploded with activity on his first post. Sure, I wasn't probably going to play... but why lynch the inactive rather than ask the host to look for a replacement? Sounds like someone wants one less senator to have to kill.

That's about it I suppose. Flaxy and YLC did vote for me too, but that was more of a "Meh, screw it, there's no one else to kill" vote to me than "Double A? More like Double Die! MUHAHA!" thing.

YLC and I voted to exile you, not to kill you, because we figured (at least in my case) that testing exile on someone who hasn't shown up was worth a shot. Besides, the fact you were absent doesn't make you less likely to be scum.

[TheFlax]

I don't exactly understand what it is you want. I am sorry if you were not satisfied, but what exactly do you wish me to further explain? I can repeat my simple reason for voting you, but that seems a tad pointless when you can re read my previous reply.
I wanted to mention my thoughts on the exile/lynch possibilities, and yes perhaps it should have been done in a post for it self.

As for the "why didn't you vote people who voted for a lynch"; I don't see why I would do that? I have an idea that exile seems the best solution but it does not make it correct. I am sure not everyone shares this oppinion, but you think I should force my views upon others by voting them until they were agreeing?
I voted for you because of your late bandwagon and nothing more. You seem very upset about that vote, and I guess that's why you wish me to have a grand theory of who is guilty, at this early stage of the game.

Actually, I understand the why you're voting for me and no I'm not expecting a grand theory or anything, I just found the whole thing explaining you preference for Exilium rather odd. Perhaps I wasn't clear about that? Most of my questions were either because I was curious or wondered how you were going to react. No I don't think you should vote for people to force your views on them, I just thought it a bit dissonant you are voting for someone who wanted to see what Exilium does instead of people bandwagonning for a Tullanium. I'm not very upset about the vote and I haven't an issue with your reasons for voting me. Again, at first I just want to probe a bit, which I usually do when people vote me and your Exilium preference statement tweaked me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

probably the reason why there's no tally is because of the quirky nature of this voting system.


Exilium: 5

Exilium Flax: GE
Exilium AA: WE
Exilium Sec: (2) Sec, AA
Exilium Bes: Byz

Tullanium: 9

Tullanium JHT: (4) ATPG, Csar, Bes, YLC
Tullanium GE: (2) TF, Rom
Tullanium Bes: Joo
Tullanium YLC: JHT
Tullanium DE: WH

[Romanic]

Well, the blip called Roman on my scumdar exploded with activity on his first post. Sure, I wasn't probably going to play... but why lynch the inactive rather than ask the host to look for a replacement? Sounds like someone wants one less senator to have to kill.


Rather it sounds like someone who does not want to worry about inactive players in the endgame. The "One less senator to kill" is a bad argument, we would have one less, no matter who is lynched, assuming Tullanium is the method voted for.

Your scumdar exploded because I voted for YOU and you can't deal with this logically.

Btw, I find it rather curious that you chose to come back from a Civ V exile to be around the Senate. Perhaps there's a better explanation to this than what you said. Where we you last night? :annoyed:

[Diamondeye]

Meh my long reply died so I'm just going to sum it up:


I'm pretty sure you weren't exiled from what the end day phase write-up says. CB may have to make that clear unless you recieved a PM stating otherwise. Did you?


What do you mean by "recall" you?

Exiled people can be recalled, but you are not one. Day 1 ended in a "no decision", so why should we recall you?

Yeah my mistake, I was low on sleep, high on civ5, and I have a memory with more holes than a sieve. I'm as surprised as you :shame:

Winston, my situation in Parasite was wholly different; I was guilty and probably everyone knew already, so I just tried to bargain for information; the worst thing that could happen was the status quo; that I didn't find out new things.

Anyway; I'm not exiled so I can vote. Tullanium: TheFlax
I simply don't see your case on GE.

[johnhughthom]

Tullanium: YLC


Why?

Because in the words of David Byrne he's talking a lot but he's not saying anything. Clearly he's a Pyscho Killer.

[Captain Blackadder]

Round Over prepare for write up

[Captain Blackadder]

Exile
GodEmperor
White Eyes
Secura
Double A
ByzantineKnight

Tullianium
ATPG
Csargo
Theflax
Jooray
Beskar
YLC
Romanic
Johnhughthom
WinstonHughes
DiamondEye

Votes
Johnhughthom ATPG, Csargo, Beskar, YLC
Double A White Eyes
GodEmperor Theflax, Romanic
Beskar Joooray, Byzantine Knight
Secura, Secura, Double A
YLC, Johnhughthom
DiamondEye Winston Hughes
TheFlax DiamondEye


The Senate Session is once again called to Order. This time a decision has being made a decision that would change the course of Cicero's life in the future. As the day progresses it becomes clear that the death of Crassus has spurred the Senate into action someone is to die this day it is just a question of whom. The debate rages on with many candidates being put up to the Senate including one brave or some would say suicidal Senator votes for themself. However when the sun begins its downward way towards the horizen one candidate is clearly in front. Various Senators give reason that range from past indiscretions and that he was a young man and thus the type who would follow Catiline. Other Senators defended his indiscretions saying that it was the foley of youth and that he was no traitor. Once the debate petered out Cicero gets up to speak.

Publius Clodius Pulcher you are hearby sentenced by the Senate to death for treasonous acts againest the Republic of Rome you are to be taken to the Tullianum Prison where you are to be strangled untill you are dead. You will be morned by no man of Rome the only person to morn your lose will be your wife, I do mean your sister I am sorry I do not know why I keep making that mistake. You are guilty of far more crimes than that of treason you broke into my own house and defiled the sacred act of Bona Dea. You who dressed as a woman you who took the toga of a man and turned it into the outfit of a whore. You are a disgrace to Rome. My fellow Senators it is not so strange that he thinks us rustic, who are unable to provide ourselves with a tunic with sleeves, and a mitre, and purple bands. But you Pulcher are a most witty man; you are really elegant; you are the only well-bred man, who look well in woman’s clothes, and with the gait of a singing woman; who know how to make your countenance look like that of a woman; to soften down your voice, and to make your body smooth. O extraordinary prodigy! O you monster! are you not ashamed at the sight of this temple, and of this city, nor of your life, nor of the light of day? Do you, who were clad in woman’s attire, dare to assume a manly voice,—you, whose infamous lust and adultery, united with impiety, was not delayed even by the time required to suborn witnesses to procure your acquittal? Did you, when your feet were being bound with bandages, when an Egyptian turban and veil were being fitted on your head, when you were with difficulty trying to get down the sleeved tunic over your arms, when you were being girdled carefully with a sash,—did you never in all that time recollect that you were the grandson of Appius Claudius? Did you not, even if lust had utterly deprived you of all common sense what a unroman sight you were. what shame you brought to your family! Do you Pulcher have anything to say in your defence.

With this Pulcher stands to give the last words of his life. He knows that regardless of what he says there will be only one outcome so before he dies this controversial man has but one more controversy to bring up. He looks over at Caesar and says quite simply

My good friend Caesar your wife was most excellent infact all the wives of all the senate are fine Women indeed. I have done many things in my life but there is one thing that I would never do and that is betray the Republic. I only have the wants of the common man in my heart and that is what I fought for in my life. I am dissapointed in the Senate. I bid you farewell I shall see you all soon for I suspect many of you will be joining me before too long. With this he snaps at the guards to take him away to his death. A stunned silence spreads throughout the hall with all the men of the Senate looking at Caesar he stares straight forward looking at no man then suddenly stands up and strides outside the Hall. With this the second meeting of the Senate is over who will live to see it's third?

JohnHughthom (Publius Clodius Pulcher) is dead


Begin Night Two


15/17
Johnhughthom
Beskar
Romanic
Double A
Joooray
Csargo
Saskai
ByzantineKnight
ATPG
TheFlax
DiamondEye
WInstonHughes
GodEmperor
Autolycus
White Eyes
YLC
Secura

[Diamondeye]

John was a womanizer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8juMHJ-vI)?
Sorry for the link. I'm trying to fight it. :shame:

[God Emperor]

Bah I had hoped it was a tv tropes link :laugh4:

it would seem we need to read the write ups to know if a person was innocent or not.
JHT was apparently innocent

[White_eyes:D]

Bah I had hoped it was a tv tropes link :laugh4:

it would seem we need to read the write ups to know if a person was innocent or not.
JHT was apparently innocentIt was well known that he was a political rivial of Cicero if not mafia, he was recuitable.:book:

I also see why Cicero said he was sleeping with Caesar's wife and his own sisters.:laugh4:


Cicero's accusations of sexual profligacy against Clodius, including the attempt to seduce Caesar's wife into adultery and incestuous relations with his sisters.

[Diamondeye]

Bah I had hoped it was a tv tropes link :laugh4:

it would seem we need to read the write ups to know if a person was innocent or not.
JHT was apparently innocent


John was a womanizer (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Casanova)?

Fixxed.

[Double A]

Rather it sounds like someone who does not want to worry about inactive players in the endgame. The "One less senator to kill" is a bad argument, we would have one less, no matter who is lynched, assuming Tullanium is the method voted for.

Your scumdar exploded because I voted for YOU and you can't deal with this logically.

Btw, I find it rather curious that you chose to come back from a Civ V exile to be around the Senate. Perhaps there's a better explanation to this than what you said. Where we you last night? :annoyed:

If you haven't noticed, trivial things like "LOGIC" don't score very high on my preferences chart.

Also, about why I'm suddenly playing: CB "reminded" me in GSTK over on TWC that there was something I should be doing.

Also, I, uhm, haven't bought Civ V yet...

[johnhughthom]

Also, I, uhm, haven't bought Civ V yet...

Translation:

I haven't nagged mommy into buying it for me yet.

[Double A]

The org thinks I still want to multiquote stuff that I've already posted responses too -.-


Translation:

I haven't nagged mommy into driving me to Gamestop yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have learned not to multiquote on this site. I reply with quote in a new tab, and then cut and paste all into one post.

Sad, but it is actually faster.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dear ___,

4.

Catiline

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dear ___,

4.

Catiline

FoS: Sasaki

I suspect there's a conspiracy afoot... :holmes:

[Double A]

FoS: Sasaki

I suspect there's a conspiracy afoot... :holmes:

Pizza, this is Sasaki we're talking about. That's like saying "Hmm, I sense there is dirt on this ground."

[Askthepizzaguy]

I suspect that my joke was too subtle. Think on it more.

[Double A]

Would I have had to get Sasaki's joke to get yours?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would I have had to get Sasaki's joke to get yours?

:bounce:

Hiding in plain sight.

I KNOW you can get this....

[Double A]

Does it have to do with piracy?

I didn't really want to bring it up because GH doesn't want us to talk about that.

[Romanic]

Here's a clue Double A: ^ :laugh4:

~~~


Dear ___,

4.

Catiline
Double A is #4 in the player list. :inquisitive:

Sasaki: How nice of you to join us, perhaps you could be a little more precise with your dialogues?

[Double A]

Here's a clue Double A: ^ :laugh4:

~~~


Double A is #4 in the player list. :inquisitive:

Sasaki: How nice of you to join us, perhaps you could be a little more precise with your dialogues?

And the fourth letter in paranoid is a! Which is also the fourth letter in YOUR name!

[Romanic]

And the fourth letter in paranoid is a! Which is also the fourth letter in YOUR name!

:wall: The clue was : ^

The 2nd part of my post was meant for Sasaki.

[Double A]

Yet you addressed it to him after the quote.

Also, that was a joke.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GAHHHHH

The game is called the Catilinian conspiracy.

Sasaki/CATILINE posted something.

I quoted it and suggested there might be a CONSPIRACY afoot.


It's much funnier now that I've explained away all the humor. :laugh4:

[God Emperor]

GAHHHHH

The game is called the Catilinian conspiracy.

Sasaki/CATILINE posted something.

I quoted it and suggested there might be a CONSPIRACY afoot.


It's much funnier now that I've explained away all the humor. :laugh4:

Hey.. wait?? what... ?

Could you eleborate?

[Double A]

I don't get unfunny jokes :sad:

[Romanic]

Hence the "^" clue, pointing at the post title, "Catilinian Conspiracy" :smug2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't get unfunny jokes :sad:

I give up. I refuse to be mafia in a game where no one laughs at my jokes.

I'm mafia, and I'm going to kill, um.... Double A tonight.

/ragequit.

:clown:

[Double A]

I give up. I refuse to be mafia in a game where no one laughs at my jokes.

I'm mafia, and I'm going to kill, um.... Double A tonight.

/ragequit.

:clown:

HA! NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!

[Captain Blackadder]

The two killers are once more lurking the streets of Rome they see that Publius Pulcher was executed that very day as they walk past the Tullianium they smile for the senate is doing their own task for them soon enough the Senate will execute all their own men. The two figures break off at the foot of Mons Palatinus with one of them climbing the Hill and the other heading for the gates of Rome. He is leaving the city but whatever could he be leaving it for. He goes through the gate there are many people going to and fro he will not be remembered by the watch or by anyone. He slips into the army camp just outside of Rome. This is no ordinary camp; it is the camp of Pompey Magnus the most powerful man in all of Rome and the finest military mind in Rome. His death will make things much easier for Catiline and thus one of his men will do anything to accomplish the task of killing the Butcher Boy. The man is wearing his old military uniform there are some many Legates in Rome it is impossible to remember all of them so he makes it through the watch unchallenged. He walks to the tent of Pompey were Pompey is entertaining some people with a dramatic re-enactment of the great siege of Jerusalem and of his entry into the Great Temple of the Jewish Faith. The others have become clearly quite bored by the whole affair as Pompey was never one to be humble. One by one they wish Pompey good night and depart. With Pompey all alone it is time for the assassin to strike. The assassin pulls out his blade walks behind Pompey and decapitates him with a single strike of his blade. The assassin then sleeks away like a cat back to his own bedchamber.

Winston Hughes (Pompey Magnus) is dead

Meanwhile on the Mons Palatinus the other assassin is readying for his own bloody business. He enters the house and unlike the other house that he saw this one displays the great wealth of its individual however there are some key differences. This house contains not fine artwork or sculpture but it contains manuscripts from the greatest minds in the entire world. This house is a library to knowledge itself. The assassin creeps past the busts of the great men of Athens and Rome to the study where he sees a collection of speeches written by the man himself Quintus Hortensius Hortalus plus his work on history. Hortensius is a great friend of Cicero and his death will upset Cicero very much this is why he will die. For if the assassin cannot strike at Cicero he will strike at all the allies of Cicero. The assassin pulls out a cord of rope raps it around Hortensius’s neck and strangles him.

Askthepizzaguy (Quintus Hortensius Hortalus) is dead

The next morning the Senators arrives to see more notes up on the Senate Walls
“Trust the voices."

Cicero gets up he is clearly shaken Hortensius was a good friend of his. He was the best kind of friend the type who always kept you on your toes for his you were slightly off with your oration he would pounce. Cicero gets up says a few words and opens the Senate up once more for debate.

Day Three Begins

[Diamondeye]

What sound like important people are dropping like flies! I think it's worth giving the letters a try; Tullianium: God Emperor.

[Csargo]

Nooooooo ATPG :sad:

Tullanium:Joooray

[Beskar]

Tullanium:Double A

He think he has the cojones to out-cojone Pompey Magnus.

[God Emperor]

If possible, I would like the thing between YLC and Secura explained, here or in private. Whatever floats your boat.

for now a bandwagon pressure on Double A will do. Tullanium: Double A

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thanks, I admit this game had me confused and I really didn't know where I was going with it.

Probably could have killed someone better, though. :wink:

[Double A]

If possible, I would like the thing between YLC and Secura explained, here or in private. Whatever floats your boat.

for now a bandwagon pressure on Double A will do. Tullanium: Double A

Calling for a bandwagon of pressure for what purpose?

Also, FoS: Beskie for giving a reason for voting me as poor as Somalia.

[Beskar]

Also, FoS: Beskie for giving a reason for voting me as poor as Somalia.

Reasons that are as poor as Somalia and barbarian tribes, are better than no reason at all.


PS. When do you make a pressure vote, do not call it a pressure vote. It defeats the purpose of the vote.

[Joooray]

What sound like important people are dropping like flies! I think it's worth giving the letters a try; Tullianium: God Emperor.

Yay, I second that. Vote: God Emperor.
Why do you vote me, Cicero?

[God Emperor]

Oopsie:laugh4: anyway I wanted to have to double A speaking a little.

I spoke with Diamondeye and he said we were really missing leads. I agree, and the best way of removing that obstacle is by having people making posts

[Csargo]

Yay, I second that. Vote: God Emperor.
Why do you vote me, Cicero?

I believe you are one of the killers. Don't you have anything more to add than "Yay, I second that."?

[TheFlax]

What sound like important people are dropping like flies! I think it's worth giving the letters a try; Tullianium: God Emperor.

I have to say, something tweaked me about this. Not only its a complete shift from yesterday, but now that its written "Trust the voices." you're inclined to give more credence to yesterday's message? I don't see what's changed since then or where you out of leads?

Tullianum: Diamondeye

[Double A]

Oopsie:laugh4: anyway I wanted to have to double A speaking a little.

I spoke with Diamondeye and he said we were really missing leads. I agree, and the best way of removing that obstacle is by having people making posts

Well, uh, here I am?

What do you want to know about GSTK?

[Diamondeye]

I trust Cataline more than "the voices". His gut feeling's are worth a shot;
unvote; Tullianium: Joooray.

@TheFlax; God Emperor already explained part of what led me to vote for him. We won't know whether that clue was worth anything or not if we don't check it out. When I placed that vote, I was aware that we were without any proper leads with what looks like the most important townie roles dropping like flies. I reasoned that a poor lead was better than no lead at all andd that we can't really rely on powerroles as both Crassus and Pompey are already dead and we're only on day 3.

I still think God Emperor is a valid lynch. If he's worth saving, he can always publically roleclaim if there's enough pressure on him.

[Joooray]

I believe you are one of the killers. Don't you have anything more to add than "Yay, I second that."?

Well, I'm not one of the Killers, I can assure you of that.
Also, I did not have more to say at the point. To further explain my vote:
We might have interpretations concerning the letters, but we haven't put them to the test yet, so since we have no other leads to go with, we might as well try it out now. If those messaged are truly Catilinia's doing, I doubt he knew GE was a powerful pro-town role at the time and thus wanted him eliminated. I think we no more to loose than lynching any other persons at this point.


I trust Cataline more than "the voices". His gut feeling's are worth a shot;
unvote; Tullianium: Joooray.

@TheFlax; God Emperor already explained part of what led me to vote for him. We won't know whether that clue was worth anything or not if we don't check it out. When I placed that vote, I was aware that we were without any proper leads with what looks like the most important townie roles dropping like flies. I reasoned that a poor lead was better than no lead at all andd that we can't really rely on powerroles as both Crassus and Pompey are already dead and we're only on day 3.

I still think God Emperor is a valid lynch. If he's worth saving, he can always publically roleclaim if there's enough pressure on him.

So you defend your vote on GE, but vote me?! :thinking:
Also, I'm not sure the people killed were necessarily all important roles. We are all powerful senators with powerful background after all.

[God Emperor]

I trust Cataline more than "the voices". His gut feeling's are worth a shot;
unvote; Tullianium: Joooray.

@TheFlax; God Emperor already explained part of what led me to vote for him. We won't know whether that clue was worth anything or not if we don't check it out. When I placed that vote, I was aware that we were without any proper leads with what looks like the most important townie roles dropping like flies. I reasoned that a poor lead was better than no lead at all andd that we can't really rely on powerroles as both Crassus and Pompey are already dead and we're only on day 3.

I still think God Emperor is a valid lynch. If he's worth saving, he can always publically roleclaim if there's enough pressure on him.

You are really inconsistent. I don't get why you vote me, when you the round before spoke against it, as TheFlax points out. And then you change for joooray for no apparent reason(?).
Unvote; Tullianium: Diamondeye



Well, uh, here I am?

What do you want to know about GSTK?

I frankly just wanted to know who you found suspecious. You FOS'ed Beskar for voting you? :o

[Diamondeye]

So you defend your vote on GE, but vote me?! :thinking:
Also, I'm not sure the people killed were necessarily all important roles. We are all powerful senators with powerful background after all.

True, but even then, I have trouble thinking up any contemporary person who could match Pompey or Crassus, except Caesar.
And yes, I am keeping my vote on you because Cataline thinks you're one of the killers. I haven't said my doubts about GE have been resolved (they haven't), just that you're currently more interesting.


You are really inconsistent. I don't get why you vote me, when you the round before spoke against it, as TheFlax points out. And then you change for joooray for no apparent reason(?).
Unvote; Tullianium: Diamondeye

"no apparent reason"? I think I made myself perfectly clear on this already; the clue against you was really weak, but worth investigating. Now, since Cataline has gone verbal (thanks!), I consider his suggestions better than an anonymous suggestions. How is this inconsistent?

As to accusing you; I wanted (and still want to) know whether we should pay any attention to these notes. With no clues that were any more solid, I settled for it today after seeing what I perceive as two powerful protowns murdered. If nothing else, It'd serve to pressure you (especially if others jumped in as well), and while I could see you reacting this way as town, I must say you're definitely flinching here. The late OMGUS vote doesn't help.
I'm not saying you're guilty, but it's definitely a possibility.

I don't want to build lofty castles here, but I also think the kill pattern thus far could be something you'd do, but that's pure speculation, of course.

[Joooray]

True, but even then, I have trouble thinking up any contemporary person who could match Pompey or Crassus, except Caesar.
And yes, I am keeping my vote on you because Cataline thinks you're one of the killers. I haven't said my doubts about GE have been resolved (they haven't), just that you're currently more interesting.



"no apparent reason"? I think I made myself perfectly clear on this already; the clue against you was really weak, but worth investigating. Now, since Cataline has gone verbal (thanks!), I consider his suggestions better than an anonymous suggestions. How is this inconsistent?.

Freudian slip?? :inquisitive:
Thinking of the one you are actually following?

Anyway, even if it was an honest mistake, Cicero is also just shooting in the dark, just like any other. So blind obedience like yours seems suspicious to me.

[God Emperor]

Yes. . First of all, I don' think cataline is our friend :p . you must have mixed up the names.
As for your vote on Joooray, on second thought, it is not a bad vote. The protagonist most likely knows his protectors, so he would not vote for them thus joooray is actually a good vote. My appologies.

As for the post on the senate wall, as you all have guessed it is a fake.. In some manner at least. I am not a mafia, but the post was put on the wall was put by my 'enemy' Winston huge. This is my theory at least. I could do the same (posting on the wall) but I chose not to, as I feared it would backfire as his did. I believe his goal was similar to mine, which was that we should have each other lynched. I decided to wait attacking him with acusations until later in the game, but that didn't prove necessary as he was killed last night. My goal is to survive and I asked the host if my role could be viewed as neutral, where the reply was yes. I hope this helps :)

[Winston Hughes]

Winston huge

Well, I don't like to boast... :wink3:

[Beskar]

Winston-Hughthom.

[ByzantineKnight]

Well, I don't like to boast... :wink3:

:laugh4:

Hey guys, sorry I disappeared, Minecraft took my life, soul, and sleep away for the past few days ;D

FOS: Diamondeye Catilina cannot be trusted.. I know you meant Cicero but perhaps as Joooray said... you were so used to speaking of Catalina in a friendly context it just came out like that...

But i'm also inclined to 'jump on the bandwagon' in voting Joooray because I'd tend to trust Cicero's intuition... not to mention he's the only one alive that we can fully trust... but until I decide one way or another I think I'll just leave it at Vote: Exileium

[God Emperor]

Well, I don't like to boast... :wink3:

haha. sorry didn't check the name before typing:laugh4:


@ Byzantine, you forgot to add the name of the person you wanted to vote for :)

[Romanic]

I made a post yesterday before going to bed, and it's not there anymore. :angry:

Tullianium: Double A

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

[ByzantineKnight]

@ Byzantine, you forgot to add the name of the person you wanted to vote for :)

That was the point, I havn't decided which of the two appear to be more scummy yet :P but I still support Exile above killing because we can win either way and I think its safer to exile someone (as long as its not Caesar or something) then to kill people

[Secura]

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

[Diamondeye]

I accept the nitpicking. Of course I meant Cicero.
Keeping my vote where it is, and as Tullianum. I don't know how much to think of exile.

[Romanic]

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

Far-fetched but possible... I guess, but would the mafia lose a kill on purpose to make it look like someone isn't paying attention? It was night 1, they'd have to be on serious pressure to come up with a frame like this (or otherwise, why do it at all?)

Double A and Diamondeye were leading the votes on Day 1, so it would make sense only for Diamondeye, but he's also been acting like he's not following the game (~ start of day 2, DE asked to be recalled when he was never exiled). It doesn't make sense for either pressured player to act like this, waste a kill to remove the pressure because both can be seen as not following the game anyway.

I don't think it's a frame, but maybe there's another explanation why they attacked Cicero.

[Beskar]

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

Even then, it would still be a dumb move. As there is no benefit in doing such a move.

[Romanic]

unvote; vote Tullianium: Diamondeye;

I'll explain in next post.

[Captain Blackadder]

This round has being extended it is Grand Final Day Take 2 and I am going so the write up will be at 10 PM EST.

[Romanic]

I voted Diamondeye because he's been acting weird since the begining.


Is simply Tullianum: Sasaki too simple to work?

First vote after the game started, Diamondeye votes for Sasaki. That's a sound vote, against Catiline, but apparently he doesn't know Catiline cannot be lynched yet.


Unvote: Sasaki, Exile: Csargo
I don't understand your vote on me. Why tullanium on day one?

Csargo/Cicero voted for him, and Diamondeye counterattacks with an OMGUS vote. Voting for Cicero is odd, we know Cicero cares about the Republic. And I think there's no way Diamondeye could not have known that Csargo was Cicero given he knew Sasaki's identity.


I guess my first townie game for as long as I can recall is a good game to die on day 1 in. Do we have a :cigar: smilie on this forum?

3rd post: We see DE saying that this is his first game as a townie in a while. It's very unclear if he's trying to convince us that he is townie, or if he's really a townie. Could be 50/50 really. The whole comment is odd though. It's a dangerous thing to say, and a townie could have thought twice before making this comment, as it could bite you back later in the game. As a mafia trying to save your life, the comment makes sense, even if it let you live one more day and at that point, DE was ahead of the tally and could have been trying to save his life.



I suggest we recall me, seeing as there have been plenty of murderous business. Also, the hell, Crassus gone on night one? Tough jerkey.

[...]

On day 2, he looks like he doesn't know about not being exiled?

I don't get how you can think that, Diamondeye. Even your explanation (having played Civ V too long) does not justify why you thought you were exiled. To believe this, you would need to read somewhere that you were exiled. The writeup had no such thing, and the final tally had you tied in votes with Double A. There's no reason why you would accept this idea. You would have read the writeup, check if you received a PM saying you were exiled / and looked what being exile means etc..

I can't find any reason why you thought you were exiled! This must be an act.



Tullanium: Diamondeye

He's acting like a baffled townie who isn't paying close attention to the thread, but I think he's overplayed it. And there's something about the earnestness of his posts that reminds me of other times he's been mafia (Parasite: Earthbound, for example).

[...]

^ Winston picked on that but he was killed immediately. Now this could be a frame attempt or it could be a bold move by the mafia.

Another reason why I moved my vote from Double A to Diamondeye is because I don't know when the deadline is, and having a triple way tie (DE 2, Double 2, GE 2) is not a good idea. We cannot lose another lynch because of a tie.

[Beskar]

Untullianium; Tullianium: Diamondeye

I suspect he also posted that message about God Emperor as well.

[ByzantineKnight]

He was already one of the two i suspected and Romanic's reasoning is sound... So...

Exillium: DiamondEye

[Diamondeye]

:laugh4: I guess people can't remember how I play when I'm town. Please, for the sake of our chances of victory, don't think I'd act like this as mafia. You have plenty of examples; As Mafia, I stay as low as possible until the end game.
I know this is WIFOM, and Romanic's arguments are good; I am acting different than I'm used to. But I've been mafia in all the latest games you have to base my behaviour off.

The only thing I hadn't already realized in that post was that my OMGUS was against Cicero... I just voted that way because it looked to me like Csargo was pouncing on me to get an easy lynch...
Unvote; Exilium: Joooray. Perhaps we can exile me now, then? :tongue:

[ByzantineKnight]

:laugh4: I guess people can't remember how I play when I'm town. Please, for the sake of our chances of victory, don't think I'd act like this as mafia. You have plenty of examples; As Mafia, I stay as low as possible until the end game.
I know this is WIFOM, and Romanic's arguments are good; I am acting different than I'm used to. But I've been mafia in all the latest games you have to base my behaviour off.

Unless you were planning on changing the way you played so you could use that excuse as backup... So it doesn't really mean anything...

[Captain Blackadder]

REound over prepare for write up

[Secura]

Exilium: Secura

[Captain Blackadder]

Tullianium
Csargo
Beskar
GodEmperor
Joooray
TheFlax
Romanic

Exile
Byzantine Knight
DiamondEye


GodEmperor Joooray
Joooray Csargo
DiamondEye, The Flax, GodEmperor, Romanic, Beskar, ByzantineKnight
Joooray DiamondEye


As the day draws to a close it once again becomes clear that the Senators of Rome wish for blood to be spilt this very day. However who is it to be that dies this day the Senators yell for the Curule Aedile to be brought before Cicero. It appears that the Senators may be giving a warning to Caesar for this man is a very good friend of his even if politically they are diametrically opposed.Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther rises up and looks his accusars in the eyes. He is not a man that backs down from a fight and this will be the fight of his life. Cicero begins to speak.

“Romans one and all we have a traitor standing here in our midst and I strongly believe that Spinther is a creature of Catiline. How else could we explain his conduct over this year. When he put on his gladitorial games this year he wore the colour of tyranny he set himself up as King of all Romans. Plus I have it on good knowledge that not only did he murder his father and poison his brother but he killed them both for money. What we have hear is a dancer! Spinther dances from here to there. Spinther is often found in the company of whores and actors. The final act of depravity with Spinther is that he commits buggery as the female of the relationship.

With this a roar of laughter passes over the Senate.

“Lictors take him away to be killed and may the Gods see you safely into the afterlife

DiamondEye ( Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther) is dead

Begin Night 3

[Joooray]

Well, according to my messenger honourable Wiki Pedia, Spinther, though having a questionable clothing taste, was supporting Cicero. So he is most likely not part of the group of people we seek. :sad:

[Diamondeye]

Well, according to my messenger honourable Wiki Pedia, Spinther, though having a questionable clothing taste, was supporting Cicero. So he is most likely not part of the group of people we seek. :sad:

Is that so, Sherlock? I could've told you :laugh4:
Nevermind, I was in the gallows from day 1, it was just a matter of time. My townie curse, I guess :shrug:
Good luck to you, fellas.

[Romanic]

JHT's and Diamondeye's lynches are very different if we compare them. In one it looks certain that JHT is on the Republic side, and in the other Cicero is convinced that Diamondeye is a Catiline acolyte. I don't know if we must trust the history to figure out who was a bad guy, maybe Spinther was indeed mafia.

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

[johnhughthom]

There is alot of mystery over who actually was part of the Catiline conspiracy historically. You could probably make a case for most of the roles that are in the game.

[ByzantineKnight]

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

Secura seems determined to get exiled and its a little weird... I'm almost inclined to give up Exile and vote Tullianium: Secura next time...

@Secura is that part of your victory condition or something? Are you Caesar?

[Romanic]

Maybe she does want to be exiled, but that's a strange way to convince us, specially after the warning we received on the Senate walls.


"Exile not the man who would be king, lest he return in triumph."

I think it means that the dangerous people to exile would be those in charge of the army, since the army was allowed within the city walls. Being exiled, they could come back in control the army, this means mostly Julius Caesar or Pompey (dead/Winstion).

Anyway, with 2 kills per night, I don't see how we can afford to exile anyone.

[Beskar]

I think it means that the dangerous people to exile would be those in charge of the army, since the army was allowed within the city walls. Being exiled, they could come back in control the army, this means mostly Julius Caesar or Pompey (dead/Winstion).

If so, my joke was actually a mechanic of the game. :laugh4:

[Secura]

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

I didn't really understand why people were voting Diamondeye and didn't have any solid suspicions, so voted as explained below; doesn't seem to have been counted though, unfortunately.


Secura seems determined to get exiled and its a little weird... I'm almost inclined to give up Exile and vote Tullianium: Secura next time...

Because I happen to think that there is no finer person than myself to test the exile mechanic on; as a Consul of the Imperium, I am immune to exile and I want to see what happens... I've never had an ability that grants me an immunity to a lynch mechanic, much less having such an ability as a townsperson, and it strikes me as an odd choice on the host's part.


@Secura is that part of your victory condition or something? Are you Caesar?

My victory condition is to remove all threats to the Republic. And no, I am not Julius Caesar; I keep seeing his name mentioned though, what's the fascination? :S


Maybe she does want to be exiled...

I'm just struggling to see what use my ability has when I'm town-aligned and execution seems like the preferred means of lynching anyway.

[Double A]

I frankly just wanted to know who you found suspecious. You FOS'ed Beskar for voting you? :o

I gave a reason for voting for Beskie, maybe you just didn't read it :tongue:


I made a post yesterday before going to bed, and it's not there anymore. :angry:

Tullianium: Double A

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

Ok, even if I wasn't following the game, I would at least have know who the two invulnerable are. And if I ever forget, I can just go to the bottom of page 1.

By the way, I'm here because I'm waiting for my PC to update or something. I got home around 5pm from an awesome BBQ, literally stuffed, and installed Civ V. Aside from a few drink and/or food breaks, I played it straight until 5am when my mom told me to go to bed.

AND I'M NOT EVEN TO THE RENAISSANCE ERA YET.

[Romanic]

@God Emperor : Since you admitted having the ability to write on the Senate Walls, can you tell us if one of the previous messages was your doing?

[God Emperor]

Well I did tell that, but I can tell it again. No I did not put anything on the wall.. I decided I couldn't find a good use for the wall posting at this early stage of the game.

[Captain Blackadder]

Tonight is the death of the Republic, Tonight is the night that all good romans fear for on this day the Republic will never have being in greater jeopardy. The two killer’s, cowards that they are, begin moving once more to strike against the Republic and this night they have chosen very well indeed. The first killer moves into the house of the brother of Cicero Quintus Cicero. This will indeed be a strong blow against Cicero for not only is his brother have the little military experience in the family but Quintus has remained a trusted advisor to his brother helping out in Cicero’s campaign to win the Consulship. The figure moves into the house of Quintus he slowly but surely moves towards the sleeping figure. He is going to enjoy this one very much. For too long Cicero has laughed off the deaths that have come forth thus far. No one would moan the loss of Pulcher or of Pompey and Crassus but the death of Quintus will shake the very core of Cicero. The killer moves forward pulls out a rope and strangles Quintus.
Beskar (Quintus Tullius Cicero) is dead

The second figure to die this day will be another that will put fear into the Heart of Cicero. The second killer moves over to the house of Atticus the best friend of Cicero. Whilst Atticus is not a senator he is a wise man, wise enough to avoid the pit that is politics. However despite his keeping his head down this will not save him from the butcher’s knife. The figure stalks Atticus out of his home he appears to be talking with several other figure about the difference between Stoicism and Aristolian views on the world. The killer jumps out and stabs Atticus in the side. As Atticus falls down onto the ground the blood slowly falling onto the ground Cicero sits bolt upright in his bed he knows something is wrong, very wrong indeed.
Romanic (Atticus) is dead


The next morning
Cicero gets up and says a few words.
I have no words left within me. Words cannot express the feelings that are coursing through me. Fellow senators go and vote for it is the only way my brother and my dearest friend can be avenged.

[Diamondeye]

Snip...
AND I'M NOT EVEN TO THE RENAISSANCE ERA YET.

Protip: Play as Napoleon. He is insanely overpowered.

@the game: Well this is toppling over fast. I would suggest looking into lurkers. So far, we've no reason to believe we've been even close to threatening Cataline. I suggest massive pressure on people who've kept a low profile (all those who are talking are being murdered) - to root out the men around Sasaki/Cataline. I think we have no more space for mislynches anymore. Here is a (much needed) unofficial account of dead/alive:

Alive:
Double A
Joooray
Csargo
Sasaki
ByzantineKnight
TheFlax
GodEmperor
White Eyes
YLC
Secura


Dead:
Autolycus
JohnHughthom
Winston Hughes
AskThePizzaGuy
Diamondeye
Beskar
Romanic

Take a close look at Flax, YLC, WE:D and maybe even Secura.

[Secura]

Great.

I signed up to this game believing that it was simply a piece of fiction when it actually seems to be based on a period of history that I'm largely unfamiliar with; my speciality ranges from 1400-2000. That will teach me for skim-reading Blackadder's posts. -_-'

I'm Gaius Antonius Hybrida; I'd explain the character further but it seems that my role PM is just the third paragraph of the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Antonius_Hybrida), albeit paraphrased. As I stated earlier, I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, and it's in my best interests to follow Cicero; he's promised me land.

[Joooray]

Well, I don't know what you try to achieve, Secura. If you tell the truth, it wouldn't make much sense to vote for you, just to try out your ability as we would loose a precious lynch that way. However, it could also be a clever ploy for keeping us from lynching you. (See no further than Renata in Zelda-Mafia)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and Tullianium: White_Eyes to start putting some pressure on people DE suggested.

We should hit a mafia today though, town is already spreading pretty thin.

[Secura]

we would loose a precious lynch that way.

That would also be the case if you voted to execute me though, so it's very much catch-22.

[TheFlax]

YLC and WE simply didn't show up last round, IIRC.

Joooray, you seem to be taking the easy way out. What happens if WE doesn't show up? You just go for the lynch, hoping blindly to hit mafia. For all we know DE could be scum, though I doubt, I am leery of fact you simply jumped at his suggestion with nary a thought. Anything other than low activity makes WE scummy?

Also, it seems the only other person you find scummy besides the low activity posters is Secura? Because she self-voted a couple of times? I'll grant you that testing her power by wasting a lynch is not the best of plans, but how is that scummy and how is it keeping us from lynching her? I'm pretty sure its a null tell at worst, in all probability she isn't scum though.

Tullianium: Joooray

What do people think of a name claim? Helpful, unhelpful?