Which modern states do you think that are spiritual successors to EB factions?

[VikingPower]

I do not mean that the estimations is supposed to be precice but rather as a loosely based interpretations, like what traits are similar to them and in regard to their position with other nations in the world.

Here is an image that I have made:

https://img163.imageshack.us/img163/235/ebstatesjpg.png

1. Britain is like Rome when it comes to organization and subtlety based on their history as an empire.
2. Germany is like Macedon in regard to their discipline and industriousness.
3. France is like the Greeks because it once had a great history but has been in decline since after the Napoleonic era.
4. Russia is similar to Seleucids for they are multi-national and have had a problems with their infrastructure.
5. Japan is similar to Carthage when it comes to commerce.
6. China is similar to Parthia in being an emerging superpower which can compete with other world powers (economically)
7. India is similar to Pontus in being a mix of Western and Eastern culture.
8. Turkey is similar to Germany that they have a history of military tradition (and get therefore Epirus).
9. Iraq and Iran are similar to Aedui and Averni when it comes to an internal fighting and their position of power.
10. Saudi-Arabia is similar to the Ptolemy Egypt because of their wealth and friendly relations with the west.
11. Pakistan is similar to Hayasdan because they have fallen in the middle in the struggle of the West against terrorism (similar to Rome and Parthia).
12. Afganistan is similar to the Lusotana because of their mountain-guerilla warfare which is hard to overcome.

And finally I think that USA is more similar to the Athenians in the Peloponesian war than the Romans, for the Athenians got the taste for power and wealth after the Persian wars so they started expanding and the similar thing applies to USA after the Second world war and how they have been supporting governments to their own liking.

[Arjos]

The only one I've ever felt is the USA as the Roman Empire...
And India, could be an isolated world if it wasn't for the British Empire, their culture is maybe the only one lasting since pre-history...

[bobbin]

I have a strong suspicion this thread could descend into a flame war if people aren't careful, so I'm giving a pre-emptive warning.

Keep things civil please.

Ps: You map is a bit off btw, Northern Ireland is part of the UK, Turkey controls both sides of the Bosporus, Japan owns Hokkaido, both India and Pakistan are missing their respective parts of Kashmir, India is missing its most eastern states and Afghanistan is missing the Khyber pass, there are more but I'll stop now. Sorry I'm a bit of a nit pick when it comes to maps.

[Rahwana]

umm, more correctly, Britain and USA are actually 2 version of Rome

1 is a republic, and 1 is under emperor

viva la france!

[Lazy O]

Iran and Iraq have actually very little in common so cannot be aedui/arverni. One is persian orhter is arabic.

[Hax]

Iran and Iraq have actually very little in common so cannot be aedui/arverni. One is persian orhter is arabic.

More importantly, Iran is a Twelver Shi'a state and Iraq is a Sunni state, basically.

[Mulceber]

And finally I think that USA is more similar to the Athenians in the Peloponesian war than the Romans, for the Athenians got the taste for power and wealth after the Persian wars so they started expanding and the similar thing applies to USA after the Second world war and how they have been supporting governments to their own liking.

I can see that, and to a certain extent I agree with you, but I still think the Rome connection is stronger: the US government was modelled on the Roman Res Publica (as I'm sure everyone here knows), the inherent conservativism of the American voters is remeniscent of Rome and finally, several of America's less intelligent, more rabble-rousing conservative politicians (not naming names) remind me of Clodius Pulcher (even though he was a popularis). -M

Ps. Like Bobbin, I don't want a flame war, so if anyone is offended by my comparisons, my apologies. :embarassed:

[Olaf The Great]

You don't have to have the same government to be a spirtual successor, plus the UK is more of a Republic anyway, the King/Queen is a figurehead that doesn't do anything with it's power and if it did they would get thrown out(finally). If the US is Rome, UK is Greece. I feel that fits more but Rome DID decline and eventually fall 1000 years after the loss of "The Empire" so Britain fits well.

[ARCHIPPOS]

Weeeeeeell the USA would like to think they are actually the modern equivalent of the Roman empire (but the rest of the world knows better heh)...
mmmmmmm, also sooner or later a FYROM guy will pop out and say Makedonia=Skopia...

[Unintended BM]

I think it's pretty clear that the USA is like all the citystates of Ancient Greece, and that Canada is like Macedonia. Canadians speak and write a slightly different dialect, just as Macedonians spoke and wrote similarily to the Ancient Greeks. To most Americans, Canada is a joke, nothing but wilderness and moose. What harm could they possibly do? The Greeks thought of the Macedonians as harmless barbarians. There are more parallels that I can't think of right now. Anyways, once Canada is united under a strong leader, the US, then the world, will be conquered by those crazy canucks.

That's the way I see it.

Other than that, the original post with the map and such made sense. I think Mongolia represents the Saka and the Sarmatians, just because Mongolia is almost completely rural and still has a bunch nomadic people living pretty much the same way they did thousands of years ago.

[ARCHIPPOS]

Canada is an eleytheroi statement about to get raped by an expanding USA faction.And so is Britain , Australia, New Zealand etc. They're all US states (they just don't know it yet) :P

[Mulceber]

You don't have to have the same government to be a spirtual successor,

No, but it definitely helps.


plus the UK is more of a Republic anyway,

Not really - representative democracy is closer to the Res Publica than parliamentary democracy.


the King/Queen is a figurehead that doesn't do anything with it's power and if it did they would get thrown out(finally). If the US is Rome, UK is Greece. I feel that fits more but Rome DID decline and eventually fall 1000 years after the loss of "The Empire" so Britain fits well.

Agreed - in fact, I'd say that the presence of the figurehead Monarch is similar to the Chief Archon that continued to exist in Athens after the founding of the Democracy, even though he was a quasi-monarchic figure. -M

[Ibrahim]

Canada is an eleytheroi statement about to get raped by an expanding USA faction.And so is Britain , Australia, New Zealand etc. They're all US states (they just don't know it yet) :P

according to this fellow, everything outside the US is a 51st state :clown: :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0&feature=related

WARNING: really crazy talk-may accidentally start trouble here.

[gamegeek2]

In general, there's 5 types of people you don't want to trust: Clergymen, Litigators, Commissioned Salesmen, Politicians, and Military Recruiters

[Lazy O]

More importantly, Iran is a Twelver Shi'a state and Iraq is a Sunni state, basically.

Things go deeper than that my friend :) I wont talk about this as it has flame potential

[Burebista]

If i take reference for the comparison today and 270 BC

Seleucid - America --because it's the superpower of the day , but losing grasp of the world.
Ptolies - China -huge economic power , has the potential to eat away at the superpower of the day.partially isolated position.
Baktria - Brasil -huge resources , ex-american "control" but free now and on it's way to glory
Japan - Carthage -huge fleet , huge economic power , keeps its control on trade routes in that part of the globe , great martial spirit
Sauromatae -russia -Vast lands but little money . has potential to become a sweeping force
Greek states - France -great legacy, great ex-colonies , but not much of a power now
Pahlava -Iran -Little territory but has the potential to launch a continental islam revolution. Different than occidental views and customs .
Dacians - India - peaceful , but you don't rly want to go there without back-up.
Pontos -Canada -little to do except wait for scraps from America
Arverni-Aedui -Britain-Germany...fighting over a shrinking world
Casse --South africa -they own a tip of a world but have huge potential to expand. Quite isolated
Hai -turkey --huge influences , great history but not much in the way of power
Sweboz -pakistan & surroundings -they fight with sticks and stones but once they unite the tribes(Islam) they become a huge force

[Lazy O]

Sweboz -pakistan & surroundings -they fight with sticks and stones but once they unite the tribes(Islam) they become a huge force

What does this mean :D. And we are not an Islamic State by any definition other than name

[Cute Wolf]

In general, there's 5 types of people you don't want to trust: Clergymen(1), Litigators(2), Commissioned Salesmen(3), Politicians(4), and Military Recruiters(5)

Owww... we just found a one little rebellious guy who could potentially dangerous to the nation... :clown:
1. You are an evil atheist, please atone your sins or go to hell
2. You never value law and order, you are a criminal recidivist
3. You never had emphaty. Salesman is one hardest job to do, and they are the victim of their own trade, much like prostitutes... don't hurt em you unemphatic ignorant monster
4. You never appreciate democracy, hating politicians is a sign that you are an anarchist
5. You are unpatriotic bastard, cowards, and you should works in the mines as your punishment

~ Cute Wolf (I know, I was an annoying politician...) :clown: :grin:

[athanaric]

More importantly, Iran is a Twelver Shi'a state and Iraq is a Sunni state, basically.
That's not necessarily more important. Both are based on cultures that are much older than Islam. And in the case of Iran, people are conscious of this.

Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADKvkAFE2-k&feature=player_embedded

[Burebista]

What does this mean :D. And we are not an Islamic State by any definition other than name

I am under the impression that religious zeal is high in Pakistan &neighbouring regions. I perceive Pakistan in the role of Sweboz as being a little behind with technology but have the potential to assimilate the neighbouring cultures like Afghanistan , Tadjikistan..etc. Like Sweboz do with cherusci , chaucii...etc. Once united , they are a force. Split , they are not more than a nuisance

[Ludens]

Discussion on contemporary politics and religion belong to the Tavern Backroom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?19-Backroom), not here.

I doubt this was the OP's intent, but a thread like this practically invites political and nationalistic flames. Since it has nothing to do with EB apart from the time-frame, I am closing it.

Thread closed.