Lord of the Rings mod

[Warriorofmight]

Yea guy here is a first picture of an gondorian solider ok ´more will come soon
http://www.geocities.com/xtremmoddingteam/Screen1.htm
WarriorofMight

[Kraellin]

nice. very nice

K.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Very nice, that porject is coming along nicely.

[Warriorofmight]

yea her is a nother oen you can see the knights of dol AmrothMy Webpage (http://www.geocities.com/xtremmoddingteam/Screen4.htm)
and another pictutre of the towerguards
My Webpage (http://www.geocities.com/xtremmoddingteam/Screen3.htm)
enjoy

WarriorofMight

[Cid]

Whoa

Can't wait to see Orcs and other vermin.

[Stormer]

it says its unavalible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Warriorofmight]

should be avalible again

trying to make an ogre but i don't know how to do
it s a bit trick because he schould get ver big but i don`t how to do so because if i make it such big i haven got enough space to make enough animations

[NagatsukaShumi]

Will the Ring Wraiths be on this at all? Even though there is only nine....

[Alrowan]

very nice indeed... im looking forward to seeing you make some southrons

[Cid]

I'd guess that Ring Wraiths could be modded as generals who bump morale way up and have like +20 Health. Of course I have no idea how to do it.

BTW, when you say Ogres do you mean Trolls?

Looks really, really good. I think I'll read the the books again for the 50th time to get psyched up.

[Warriorofmight]

ringwraiths will be alvalible in a group of nine very expensive very deadly at very late avalible
they will be the best horse men in game and will cause fear

[Warriorofmight]

yes i mean trolls but i'm quit not sure if they will be in the mod
now we are making some orks and harradrims
if anyone of you has got a picture of anorian tropps please mail me
g.poppek@t-online.de

[Whitey]

*another* LOTR mod?

whatever you do - don't do the map...please...or you'll be wasting so much time

THERE ALREADY IS A LOTR mod being made, and it has been being worked on since mid-november

don't duplicate and waste effort please

feel free to do your units, sure...but it would be a mess if you tried to create a map too...

[Warriorofmight]

do we get your map??
if we don't get it we have to do your own
and when does your mod start in second age of the sun or in the third??
oh and can i see some of your work

[Cid]

I like the 2nd age idea. It gives a much larger scope and time line aspect.

Damn, I wish I could help.

[PanthaPower]

Quote[/b] (Cid @ Jan. 03 2003,15:59)]I like the 2nd age idea. It gives a much larger scope and time line aspect.

Damn, I wish I could help.
Well, the most work is to make everything work first. If you have a working startpos file, it is very easy to create different era's etc. So instead of early, high and late you could get 2nd era 3rd era, etc. But the mod team I work in focusses on era 3 first. IMO it doesn't matter too much. The new campaign map and new units is the hardest part of the mod.

[Warriorofmight]

as you see patha i asked wihtey allready could you ask hi, too??
or again whitey are we allowed to use your map for your mod??

[Whitey]

Pantha is also working on the same thing, he can tell you as much as I can...

[Kraellin]

very nice, WoM. (warriorsofmight)

K.

[Warriorofmight]

in the next few days another gondorian unit will be ready with a sword and another shield like in the movie

[Warriorofmight]

whitey pantah are we allowed to use our map for your mod??
and please don't say that i have to ask another guy i want just an answer

[Whitey]

you can use the map...

[Vrashk]

Hey.. If you need someone to help out with orcs..

or well more of advice than actual skills, I'd love to help.
I've read quite a bit about orcs and also the black speech of Mordor, use it daily, at lest the modified version.
(You cannot hold a normal conversation with only the words Tolkien wrote)

I'm not an artist or a programmer, but I know Tolkien orcs inside out *Grins*

I'm mostly focused on the orcs of the misty mountains however.

[Alrowan]

ill stick to making LoTR battlemaps

[Warriorofmight]

we don't need help with orks i know more then enough about them
thank you whitey and pantha and only one question when will the map be ready and couldn't make the map a bit more colured not such green

[PanthaPower]

Quote[/b] (Warriorofmight @ Jan. 05 2003,16:05)]we don't need help with orks i know more then enough about them
thank you whitey and pantha and only one question when will the map be ready and couldn't make the map a bit more colured not such green
I don't know when the map will be ready. About the green colour, well, the map it is not 100% ready yet. I still have to add colurs (trying to find a good way to add them while maintaining high quality of the textures and map). The LukMap is also being finalized by me. I guess that in 2 weeks hopefully the map and lukmap will be ready (I'm in a renovation at home so don't have lots of spare time). I'm also experimenting with the text files but that is mainly Whitey's job.

[Warriorofmight]

i got some nice maps from middle earth i could send you one of them

[PanthaPower]

Quote[/b] (Warriorofmight @ Jan. 05 2003,20:09)]i got some nice maps from middle earth i could send you one of them
Thanks but I already have everything I need from official Tolkien maps. This green map which you looked at already took me 60 hours of work Only the colours have to be added and then I'm finished.
About the LukMap, all the main province colours are ready but the borders are not ready yet. The game will work without the border colours. The only thing it doesn't show then is the edge of each province. At this moment I'm adding the borders and making the LukMap at a higher resolution.
Third thing I'm busy with is some testing with text files.

By the way, how far is your team with the whole campaign thing? I had a look at your website and I can understand most of it (too bad it's in German) but from what I've seen your team focussed mainly on new units right?

By the way, I've been curious. I read on your website forum that you want to use our map as a test and still continue working on your own map. I wonder why though because it would save you guys a lot of work and you could use that time to invest it on other parts of the game which are also time consuming.

If you wish to contact me via email, write to ArjanvanPanhuis@hotmail.com

[Alrowan]

ok, i can do borders on a lukmap in a day. if you use PsP its really easy to do. Ive already completed a campagin map of england, but all the text files still need to be edited, so its on the backburner for a while

[Warriorofmight]

we've started making a map, too.
but we are just at the beginnig
right know the gondorian troops are already done so there islot of work left but i think we will be ready in mai

[Warriorofmight]

the first uruk'hai will be ready on january 15th
look forward to see it

[Whitey]

the problem with our mod is that the units are done, the map is approaching completion, but I have an overload of work for a week or two so no progress is getting done.

I would just say that a campaign map from scratch is a huge effort,as you will know if you have started it.

anyway, I'll try to put some time into the mod and see if I can get the map working, if I do - I'll give it to you guys to do with what you will, use it, change it, test with it, but don't waste your time on making one yourselves from scratch...please, we all want the same thing...a working lotr mod.

[Warriorofmight]

fist big thanks that you two give us the map. i think we would spend several monthes on the map, so thanks
one questions do you have trolls in your mod??

[Swoosh So]

Lol very interesting lotr mod Hope its finished soon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ill read the whole thread tonight when works quiet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

*Plots on making his own LOTR MOD to annoy them all.....* lol Seriously though, I enjoy how they are coming along.

[Swoosh So]

Just try to include an oliphont http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Swoosh So]

Isent their a way to translate this site? Ive tried to get it on the google lists but cant http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[el_slapper]

Automatic translation is usually useless, especially when focusing on specific topics(as a game mod obviously is). A good way to laugh for me is to translate english sites in french with babelfish tools or like... Always funny.

On the other hand, if you need beta testers..... count on me Once functional, I might even try a french translation(depends of the size of loc changes).

[_Martyr_]

I d be glad to beta any time Well done guys

[max_killer_payne]

Cant wait 2 see the Uruk Hai, will u post a link so every1 can downnload it??

[Warriorofmight]

i will post it we got some problems because it doesn`t look good enough don't know when it will be ready but i think in the next week

[max_killer_payne]

Will u have Uruk Hai beserkers?? And will the Uruk Hai be like Ultra tough?? AND got any normal orcs done yet?

[_Martyr_]

I seriously cannot wait for this AHHH it is going to kick so much ass Any more information on the release date?

Will there be sea 'provinces'?
And how many factions?

[King David]

How about Bilbo? Will he be in it? It wont be cool without Bilbo... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gifHe is the fairest fairy of them all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[max_killer_payne]

Will you be able 2 play as multiple races?? Like elves, men, orcs,etc??

[NagatsukaShumi]

Actually a good question there Max Payne Killer.

Are you planning on making the factions Elves, Men etc. or for instance will their be both a Rohan and a Gondor? Something I've been thinking about.

[max_killer_payne]

I assume if you could play as various factions, they'd all have differnet stats, like Eleves archers could fire REALLY fast, men are great swordsmen, and Uruk Hai are great hulking armoured species, that take alot of killing

[Emp. Conralius]

(this is not from the modders, it's just me giving some suggestions)

I've thought of some units for you guys to consider. If you are splitting the Human race into Rohan and Gondor, then here are some units for Rohan.

Rohhirim Heavy Cav.- Heavy cavalry equipped with spears
Rohhirim Light Cav.- good cav. armed with sword and bow
Horse Lords (king's and prince's unit)- excellent cav. with bow and axe kinda like the Sipahi of the Porte but a stronger.

I'de like to see those Uruk-hai berserkers too Maxkiller payne, those guys were tough in the TT on PS2

how many variations of the Uruk-hai will there be? The TT on PS2 did a great job with this. Here's the types of Uruks they had. But if you put these guys in your mod, you should change the names because they are rather vague.

-Uruk-hai Melee: Uruks with platearmor and large swords
-uruk-hai scouts: uruks with no armor and no shirt, just a tunic, a face-mask and a huge sword
-uruk-hai crossbows (no as vague)- uruk-hai scouts with a crossbow
bezerkers(yep, that's how it was spelled)- CRAZY TOUGH comes to mind when fighting these guys, they resemble the uruk-hai scouts as far as armor and having no shirt, but they bear the White Hand of Saruman and use double bladed swords.

I think you oughta give the Uruks (-crossbows) the Gothic Foot Knight model as far as running goes( but a lot faster). The Uruk-hai had that same run and charge.
-Will there be Uruk-Hai Pikemen?

not to be a nuisance, but are you going to include Warg-Riders? I'de sure like to attack th pesents of Rohan with the wolves of Isengard Will trolls be in?

i know a lot about the literacture and can help you(if, of course, you need any) in the unit department.

you can find me at

BBenham169@aol.com

[max_killer_payne]

Yeh, it would be well cool to see the Wargs And maybe the Beserkers could be an elite unit and really bast**** to kill And like on the TT on Ps2, like u said, they could be really musculy and can take on like 4 men at once, but cost loads to make, and have a unit size of say, 20??

[Emp. Conralius]

that would sound about right Max Killer Payne, but like a said, I'm, not one of the modders for this LOTR mod in particular. I just wanted to give them some suggestions as a fan. But yes, the Berzerkers would have to bein a relatively small unit, maybe not 20, but around 60 men, like the Varangian Guard.

[max_killer_payne]

Any new news on the mod?? I cant wait for it to come out. Any estimate on the release date.

[max_killer_payne]

Just had an idea. Will Aragon, Legolas, Gimili, Boromir and the rest feature in the mod. Maybe you could have them in REALLY small units and cost 100,000 flourins to make. But they have +20 armor and can kill most units, even heavy infantry in a breeze.

[NagatsukaShumi]

I'm guessing Aragorn etc will be heroes.

[Emp. Conralius]

i think they'de consider making a "War of the Ring" historical campaign.

[max_killer_payne]

Yeh, I heard about that on Gamespot. Some people are making an actual stratefy game on it. And what battles will you take part in, in this mod? Will Helms Deep be one of them?

[Swoosh So]

Dont you guys know this mod will be shut down if u call it lord of the rings? Its happened to a few other games as well, legal action taken etc...

Shame really because im looking forward to it, Why on earth dont the people who own the licence for lord of the ringsw realise ca is the perfect company to give the licence to shhessh

[Swoosh So]

I remember a lord of the rings strategy game ageeeeees ago, i think mtw or rome totalwar would be the perfect engine for it, but instead they go for crappy companies who produce crap games.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Ah yes the legal mumbo jumbo, that can be quite an annoying bugger at times.

[Muneyoshi]

Im pretty sure thats false Swoosh. It would only be illegal if they were selling it, which they arent (obviously). If you dont believe me, then why do you think thier freeware games that can use names that would, acoording to you, be "shut down" caues they have names of companies, teams, people, etc.?

[dr3mew3vr]

It actually depends on the license you are copying. Over the past decade, there were several "Aliens" mods made for FPS (first person shooters). These were all forced to shut down or change the mod so that it doesn't resemble Aliens in any way (even the ones that didn't call it "Aliens")--hence the term "foxed". Fox, of course, is the license holder of Aliens. Other companies are more lenient. There is a mod for Half-Life that is trying to make a Resident Evil game. These folks has actually gotten written consent from Capcom itself--as long as they don't try to profit from the mod. Other companies could care less. There are tons of Middle Earth/LOTR mods for many strategy games, namely CivII. Most of these are posted on sites such as apolyton.net and do not have any real dedicated webspace...so that may be a factor (keeping it low-key). If your mod has too much attention given to it, that may attract unwanted legal action. The owners of the Tolkien license is the Saul Zaentz co. They have licensed the game rights to Sierra for the books, and EA for the LOTR trilogy MOVIE.

[Warriorofmight]

the name of the mod is battles of middel erath
it is very difficult to have heros in the mod
i tryed but the were to strong and not really use full and if you have two heros in your army you don't need any tactics just let all troops run against the enemy
yes it will be more or less a historical campaign i tryed to make glorious gaols but doesn't work
at least sorry for less information i've got a new job and so hell allot stress
hopefully i can post the new uruks tomorrow

[Emp. Conralius]

Warriorofmight,

How's the mod coming? Since you are updating us 2morrow, I just want to ask you a few questions:

1) Will Wargriders be in? Trolls? Ents?

2) Are the races going to be actual races (elves, men, dwarves, ect...) or factions (Mordor, Gondor, Rohan, ect)?

[Warriorofmight]

races:
gondor
arnor
darven empire
elves of the darkforest and lothlorien
elves of imladris
rohan
mordor
harradrim and umbar
angmar

in later times
isengard

and yes wargeriders will be in the mod aswell as trolls
i don't think that ent will be in the mod because they fought only one time

[el_slapper]

There are legal issues, even if you don't make money. I'm part of a fan-made MMORPG at http://www.swcombine.com. Star-wars based.

But Lucas threatened to make it closed. All names of characters existing in either the movies or the books have been removed. No Luke Skywalker, no Han Solo... And this is why the combine is still open(go Alliance&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.

Each Licence has its own policies...

[max_killer_payne]

I cant wait for this mod. Will the races have different stats, eg the uruk Hai have alot of stamina?

[Emp. Conralius]

sounds very, VERY promising. The variety in factions is great.

[max_killer_payne]

Yeah, I agree Emp. Conralius the races are gonna be really cool. This is my last question for now...

In the campaign game in MTW you get informed of events by parchment, like:

A crusade declared
The holy cross discovered,

etc

Will the LOTR mod have new events, like Isengard changing alleigance, or Rohan/Edoras is under attack and wishes for reinforcements??

c ya

[Lord Krazy]

How about you change your name to
Lord Of The Rings by deedpoll
and called it

Lord Of The Rings Mod for MTW

Then they would have to sue you
for using your own name http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The case would be known as

Lord Of The Rings V's Lord Of The Rings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Lord of the Krazy Rings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Gotta stop wiv the smoking LK, it's making you insane lol

[Warriorofmight]

don't really know if i can change i'll do

at least sorry the new pics will be at least next week(hopefully)

[max_killer_payne]

Any idea, how big the download file will be??? So I can set aside some time to download it. Or are you gonna release them in 'packets' like you download the units in one dowload, the maps in the next, etc

[Warriorofmight]

at all 100 mb

[max_killer_payne]

Thats a big file........

Do you know when it will be ready for download?? If not I would be happy to beta test

[max_killer_payne]

Come on guys, lets not let a great topic, thats been goin for ages not fall back unoticed.

[Emp. Conralius]

Well,we haven't had an update in 4 weeks Hint, hint

[Maniac]

I hope they're still working on this cool mod... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Warriorofmight]

still working so we havent got so much time to post. all units are now ready but we still have to make all frames. our lord of the rings map is ready the intrfo and outro ,too. sorry but there arent knew screenies right know but i will post a big battle screen on sunday

[jeffreyLebowski]

i don't suppose you'd like to upload that screenshot? hehehe.

[Emp. Conralius]

thanks warriorofmight, I thought you guys scrapped the project.


... and now it's monday

[Wellington]

WoM,

If, for any reason, you've run into problems with this 'mod' then let us know.

Other people (PantherPower/Whitey) who have been working on a similar LoTR mod have made tremendous progress and I'm sure will be able to offer assistance/advice if you require it.

You can see how far they have progressed, with their LoTR mod, as several screenshots have appeared on several threads since Xmas.

Unfortunately no-one has any idea how far you have progressed - hence the constant queries pertaining to progress on this thread.

May I suggest the following -

a) if you have ANY screenshots then please post them (not just to reassure people of progress but also to potentially help other people (who have done similar work on such mods, and in this area of modding, to assist you if necessary)

b) if you DON'T have screenshots then you have obviously hit problems in some areas - in which case let us know what your problems are and I'm sure you'll get a lot of positive feedback

c) if you've given up on this mod (which is nothing to be peeved at considering the complexity of what you appear to be attempting) then that's ok - but please also let us know

Welly

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Warriorofmight @ Feb. 18 2003,07:32)]

Quote[/b] ]still working so we havent got so much time to post

I know and when you do have the time your eyes are
probabley pixelated http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

That's why I ware shades http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif


Quote[/b] ]sorry but there arent knew screenies right know but i will post a big battle screen on sunday

Don't be sorry, it's the mod they want to see
more than screenshots http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It sounds like you got alot done working
at your own pace so you might as well keep it that way.

I wouldn't mind if it was not released for months
then I might have some time to play it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
regards,

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Yeh never be down about not completing a project, me and LK never finished Rome, but we all no why i cancelled that one on my part.

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Lord Krazy @ Feb. 25 2003,16:54)]

Quote[/b] ] Don't be sorry, it's the mod they want to see
more than screenshots http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Wrong It's progress people want to see, to ensure some greatly anticipated mods don't end up in the wastebin due to lack of input.

KD's Patrician mod has been the best mod, BY FAR, up to now - AND - many people are currently helping/assisting/contributing to this mod in all areas (maps/icons/images/research/new units).

Why has Patrician been such a success? Simply because there was a deliverable 'product' early on, and this product was constantly enhanced and WAS ALWAYS VISABLE Hence all interested parties could see the direction, determine their own interests and actively contribute in some way to the furtherment of KD's tremendous mod.

It's easy to contribute to something you can see and assist with. It's IMPOSSIBLE to contribute to something you cannot yet see - regardless of how much you would wish to contribute towards it.


Quote[/b] ]It sounds like you got alot done working
at your own pace so you might as well keep it that way.

"sounds like" is totally different to "looks like"

We have had endless "anticipated mods" in this forum that have all failed majestically. You, LK, know this just as mich as I do. I would suggest such attempted mods have all failed because there was insufficent knowledge/information in some areas and hence too little advice/assistance contributed in order to produce such a mod.

That has now changed.

There are several people (PantherPower/Mr Egg/Dreamweaver/Myself and probably others) who UNDERSTAND A LOT in this area of new campaigns - and that's only as a result of several people helping each other out with facts.

Knowledge/information in this area is no longer an issue. We now have the knowledge. Advice/assistance should also be a minor consideration.

Basically, there are many people who would love to see a sucessful LoTR mod. Such people would undoubtedly be willing/eager to assist in furthering such a project. There is a lot of knowledge now in such areas. All that remains is the need to know -

- where has WoM got to?
- where is WoM 'stuck at'?
- what assistance does WoM require?
- can others contribute?

Any suggestion that WoM should be working
at your own pace would tend to ignore the immense progress made in this area of new campaigns.



Quote[/b] ]I wouldn't mind if it was not released for months

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Many people would The interest in a LoTR mod is intense. ANY PARTIAL RELEASE is better than nothing. ANY PROBLEMS currently being experienced CAN BE RESOLVED


Please, don't wait for months WoM - if you have difficulties then post them to this thread or E-Mail me. All problems are surmountable and with 'new campaigns' ALL THE PROBLEMS HAVE NOW BEEN SOLVED I know this because the few people involved in the LMM product solved them all


Quote[/b] ] then I might have some time to play it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You have to be joking LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

When do YOU have time to actually play a mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Welly

[Lord Of Storms]

This sounds like alot of work I give you guys alot of credit I have been studying all I can on modding from the threads here in the Dungeon, Mods like Patrician, Unit mods from LK these have all helped me to understand and work on a small mod of my own (nothing quite as ambitous as the above) but what I am saying is that the collective of information and personal input has been an invaluable tool thank you to all. WOM I cannot wait to see your Mod good luck .

[Warriorofmight]

what we still need is some one who can make units right now only one of us is working on them so if you want to help mail me
g.poppek@t-online.de

[Lord Of Storms]

WOM I have all the free time in the world right now and probably for some time to come , but I am still learning the unit making process and teaching myself by others examples, I am good at modding the Campmap/ Startpos/Txt. files and some unit stat stuff. I would offer any thing I could do for you right now in those areas . I could also do research like I said I have tons of time . Eventually I will get the unit making down Thanks.http://images.animfactory.com/animations/war/medieval_knights/knight_armored_archduke_preattack_md_blk.gif

[_Martyr_]

Will you be giving it to the gaming mags once it is finished so that we dont have to download 100mb? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Tyrac]

Dead in the water?

What about the other LOTR mods?

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Tyrac @ Mar. 16 2003,08:50)]Dead in the water?

What about the other LOTR mods?
I hope not. The problem with the 2 ongoing LoTR mods is that certain problems appear to have been encountered and no one else (unrelated tosuch mods) appear to know exactly what such problems are.

One obvious area of 'doubt' is producing different units for such mods - that have a LoTR flavour. Many games currently offer images that are usable within the MTW animation system (such games, speciafically for a LoTR or Fantasy type mod, being BG, BG2, Icewind Dale etc). The trick is to extract the images from such games, have some means of processing/incorporating them into the MTW scheme of things and thus having new units that relate to the period/mod being developed.

Any prob's WoM? Let us know.

Welly