View Full Version : World Politics - The Iranian Nuclear Programme
Prince Cobra
10-21-2010, 22:26
Well, I am just inquisitive what you people think about it. What are the plans of Iran and how far do you think the Islamic republic will go; what the consequences will be. What should/will the reaction of the US, EU, Russia, China be... News and development. It's quite possible that during November we will have new round of talks between the EU and Iran...
The floor is yours, ladies and gentlemen!
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 01:44
Iran will try and do what they always been doing finish the nuke without getting attacked they know the USA cant attack cos they are bogged down.
Since US cant attack they must use a proxy (proxy = Israel) Unfortunately for Israel short of using nukes an Israeli attack will not destroy Irans nuke programme but could end up bogging down an America ally in a deadly war. Nukes indeed may not stop the programme as it is apparently been well distributed and hidden plus the knowledge will still be there after any attack.
Any Israeli/USA attack will cause Irans proxies HAMAS and Hezbollah to attack Israel. Israel would not fare well in this senario just like in the last Hezbollah fighting. Therefore Israel/USA need sneakier methods to disrupt the Iranians I bet all sorts of CIA/Mossad shennanagins are going on as we speak just like the virus that was found in the siemens SCADA.
The last method is to use another proxy to buy off Iran here enters the EU with aid and the like to help Irans rubbish economy this may work in the short term or at least long enough to delay Iran till US/Israel have worked a plan that can stop Iran going nuclear.
a completely inoffensive name
10-22-2010, 01:52
Iran will try and do what they always been doing finish the nuke without getting attacked they know the USA cant attack cos they are bogged down.
Since US cant attack they must use a proxy (proxy = Israel) Unfortunately for Israel short of using nukes an Israeli attack will not destroy Irans nuke programme but could end up bogging down an America ally in a deadly war. Nukes indeed may not stop the programme as it is apparently been well distributed and hidden plus the knowledge will still be there after any attack.
Referring to the bold bit, did you hear about that advanced virus that only targeted Iran's infrastructure? Seems to have done its job.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018
http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/w32_stuxnet_dossier.pdf
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 01:58
Referring to the bold bit, did you hear about that advanced virus that only targeted Iran's infrastructure? Seems to have done its job.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018
http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/w32_stuxnet_dossier.pdf
I already mentioned it see below the bolded bit from my earlier post
Therefore Israel/USA need sneakier methods to disrupt the Iranians I bet all sorts of CIA/Mossad shennanagins are going on as we speak just like the virus that was found in the siemens SCADA.
A disruption to SCADA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCADA)like this would slow it down a lot as they would have to replace all the controlers in every plant. However they will just buy new ones and ensure there properly checked and they will have to ensure proper controls on USB sticks etc.
Course they might ditch those kinds of controllers altogether but it would require a massive overhaul of the architecture of the plants and achieve the delay US wants.
a completely inoffensive name
10-22-2010, 02:18
I already mentioned it see below the bolded bit from my earlier post
A disruption to SCADA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCADA)like this would slow it down a lot as they would have to replace all the controlers in every plant. However they will just buy new ones and ensure there properly checked and they will have to ensure proper controls on USB sticks etc.
Course they might ditch those kinds of controllers altogether but it would require a massive overhaul of the architecture of the plants and achieve the delay US wants.
Woah. Somehow I didn't see that part of your post. Sorry. But yeah, as long as they can make a virus to get in, wouldn't they be able to severely delay Iran's efforts as long as they wanted? They switch out the controllers and then they just infect those with a new virus causing more damage.
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 02:22
Woah. Somehow I didn't see that part of your post. Sorry. But yeah, as long as they can make a virus to get in, wouldn't they be able to severely delay Iran's efforts as long as they wanted? They switch out the controllers and then they just infect those with a new virus causing more damage.
Not if they went for some kind of local distributed system but it would be a pain to run and that would reduce the efficiency of the plants achieving the delay.
US can play dirty and stoke an Islamic coldwar hence this (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4944175&c=AME&s=AIR)
Prince Cobra
10-22-2010, 08:29
Funny you mentioned the virus. Some time ago I read something interesting about which states could stand behind the virus...
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/the-worm-turns-4168
I think there are two main reasons why Iran would want enriched uranium; I think the first reason is to be able to hold their own against the United States and Israel in international politics. The second reason would be to gain a stable source of energy. They don't like the Arab oil states, the Arab oil states don't like them, and their relationship with America is even worse. And with the current president (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad), there are very little options to talk. If only we'd thought about it sooner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Khatami).
I think that Iran could be one of the best natural allies the NATO could have in the Middle East (save Turkey, of course). Not only politically, but also the first place where a reformed Islam could exist, in my opinion.
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 12:33
I think there are two main reasons why Iran would want enriched uranium; I think the first reason is to be able to hold their own against the United States and Israel in international politics. The second reason would be to gain a stable source of energy. They don't like the Arab oil states, the Arab oil states don't like them, and their relationship with America is even worse. And with the current president (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad), there are very little options to talk. If only we'd thought about it sooner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Khatami).
I think that Iran could be one of the best natural allies the NATO could have in the Middle East (save Turkey, of course). Not only politically, but also the first place where a reformed Islam could exist, in my opinion.
Thats all true as regards being a more natural ally of NATO but you overestimate the ability of Khatami at the time to move Iran to a more democratic bent.
I seem to remember he was feted all around the place etc but the Mullahs and more rural people who are big supporters of status quo were not so enamoured.
Plus Kahmeni was not long in power and no doubt worried about being toppled by popular revolt when it was obvious there was enough support to crush Khatemi he did and there was nothing the West could do about it short of invade.
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 13:12
Looks like Iran is not the only country that should not have Nukes tut tut
'World's most advanced' nuke sub runs aground (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39793497/ns/world_news-europe/)
Doubt Iran is stupid/bloodthirsty enough to launch a nuke, even can, rockets can be shot down with patriots or Thales. But their favorite proxies with the ability to fire dirty bombs, very real threat.
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 14:00
Doubt Iran is stupid/bloodthirsty enough to launch a nuke, even can, rockets can be shot down with patriots or Thales. But their favorite proxies with the ability to fire dirty bombs, very real threat.
No there not stupid there really clever actually they only need less than a dozen nukes and they assure dominance of there region. The USA/Russia/EU will all end up spending many multiples of billions in there own regions or areas of interest to ensure there own needs etc
Furunculus
10-22-2010, 14:07
No there not stupid there really clever actually they only need less than a dozen nukes and they assure dominance of there region. The USA/Russia/EU will all end up spending many multiples of billions in there own regions or areas of interest to ensure there own needs etc
not to mention saudi, jordan, and egypt.
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 14:10
not to mention saudi, jordan, and egypt.
US seems to be warning Iran with the arms sale we saw that they risk a potentially deadly sunni/shia coldwar if they push US too much.
My belief is that Iran will eventually get the bomb and it will rock the cozy US consensus on the mid east. They will have to deal with Iran and bring them in from the cold no natter how unpalatable it might be.
The security of Israel would depend on them having good relations or at least not outright hostility to each other.
If Iran could be turned then a big source of millitant funding would cease and help Israel actually in a way but that is all theory at the minute.
No there not stupid there really clever actually they only need less than a dozen nukes and they assure dominance of there region. The USA/Russia/EU will all end up spending many multiples of billions in there own regions or areas of interest to ensure there own needs etc
Not nearly enough missiles can be intercepted, they will need more, patriots have poor succes rate but you can buy hundreds of them for the price of a nuke and they only need a glorified truck for launch.
rory_20_uk
10-22-2010, 14:42
For a nuke yes.
I'm no expert, but I'd fire 100 missiles and have 95% with dummy / conventional warheads. Suddenly the odds of hitting the crucial ones looks a lot harder.
~:smoking:
gaelic cowboy
10-22-2010, 14:51
For a nuke yes.
I'm no expert, but I'd fire 100 missiles and have 95% with dummy / conventional warheads. Suddenly the odds of hitting the crucial ones looks a lot harder.
~:smoking:
Absolutely correct hitting a missile with another missile is really hard and not fail safe you just stuff loads of dummy warheads in missiles and you increase the complexity probably beyond the system to cope.
Iran quite simply needs the deterrent in order to avoid going the same way as Iraq.
For a nuke yes.
I'm no expert, but I'd fire 100 missiles and have 95% with dummy / conventional warheads. Suddenly the odds of hitting the crucial ones looks a lot harder.
~:smoking:
Got me there
Thats all true as regards being a more natural ally of NATO but you overestimate the ability of Khatami at the time to move Iran to a more democratic bent.
Perhaps. We could have only found out if we had tried to talk. Now look at it all. I do agree, though, Khatami had very little real power, but at least he gave a good image of what the people wanted to happen.
Perhaps. We could have only found out if we had tried to talk. Now look at it all. I do agree, though, Khatami had very little real power, but at least he gave a good image of what the people wanted to happen.
There is real power, this was Iran. Absurd that a black bag is the last thing gays and powerbabes see in this once great culture http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/478871/71c6ad33/iran,_1970._voor_de_islam_revolutie.html Only a matter of time before it's reclaimed by muslims who don't follow the Islam, the ordinary people who just want to live their lives and who's greatest concern is what's for dinner.
Islam may be a hydra but it's heart is Iran
disclaimer, with Islam I mean the literally-freaks who believe in total submission, as the word means.
Empire*Of*Media
05-16-2013, 13:23
please invade iran so we will live in peace !! almost !! at all better than Islamic Republic !! they are worse than USSR & N.Korea & all great dictators !! Believe me !! you must live in here and you will know !!
at all why you alwayse see the nuclear program?! so your HUMEN RIGHTS is just a Lie !
Be carefull what you write you are not anonymous they can see what you just posted, courtesy of Siemens and Nokia
Strike For The South
05-16-2013, 18:00
Iran quite simply needs the deterrent in order to avoid going the same way as Iraq.
Iran in no way equals Iraq.
What a shallow assessment of the situation.
Papewaio
05-16-2013, 22:19
What a shallow assessment of the situation.
Originally attributed to Powell talking to Bush and Chenny pre Iraq invasion... ~:smoking:
HopAlongBunny
05-16-2013, 22:49
Short of invasion there is really no way to stop Iran from developing nuclear capability. If they really want "the bomb" they will get it; if the basket case that is N.Korea can do it, Iran is a slam-dunk.
Iran most likely already has the bomb, however, it doesn't suit its purpose to announce it. The whole "peaceful nuclear energy" excuse goes out the window then.
HopAlongBunny
05-17-2013, 03:16
The energy excuse makes sense though. As an oil exporter, nuclear energy is pure win => more hydrocarbons to send to market.
I say this despite the fact we export oil here, but 80% of our energy comes from coal.
The energy excuse makes sense though. As an oil exporter, nuclear energy is pure win => more hydrocarbons to send to market.
I say this despite the fact we export oil here, but 80% of our energy comes from coal.
IIRC, Iran may be an oil exporter, but they have very little refining capability so they can't supply themselves with fuel. They export crude, but import usable petro products.
HopAlongBunny
05-17-2013, 04:58
Aha!
Refining consumes a lot of energy; nuclear power opens the way to a refining renaissance for Iran! :wink:
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 09:03
Be carefull what you write you are not anonymous they can see what you just posted, courtesy of Siemens and Nokia
yea, the Internet Cyber Army !! Thanks for the Caution !!
but how do you know that ?!!!!
I don't get my news from newspapers, I know Iranians in the Netherlands, I am pretty well informed
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 09:19
I don't get my news from newspapers, I know Iranians in the Netherlands, I am pretty well informed
thats good!! i think you are the only one!!
they are Persian or Kurds too ?!!!
thats good!! i think you are the only one!!
they are Persian or Kurds too ?!!!
Persians, most from Teheran. They are being watched by the regimes secret-service here as well. Nokia and Siemens sure did a good job of developing an great espionage-kit for the Iranian regime
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 09:43
Persians, most from Teheran. They are being watched by the regimes secret-service here as well. Nokia and Siemens sure did a good job of developing an great espionage-kit for the Iranian regime
Yea! you know, if they for example, released a mobile with no battery, their company would be closed!! but when they gave that technology! European Union just Slaped Nokia & Siemens!! and you know, the matter for them is only nuclear program! not Human Rights!! human rights is only for them in Europe & United states and they dont care about the world !! even they may like it !!
Yea! you know, if they for example, released a mobile with no battery, their company would be closed!! but when they gave that technology! European Union just Slaped Nokia & Siemens!! and you know, the matter for them is only nuclear program! not Human Rights!! human rights is only for them in Europe & United states and they dont care about the world !! even they may like it !!
Their nuclear program is useless, you have to be incredibly stupid to believe the patriot-systems that were placed in Turkey are there to protect Turkey from Syria. That's the bad news for you though, Turkey is a Nato partner and they will never give up Kurdish territory in return, neither will Iraq. Pretty screwed. I didn't even know that there was a Kurdish community in Iran.
Whatever they shoot will be taken down by the patriots, and we will have these baby's there in notime http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMgEsHC1Lc it will simly be shot down
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 10:14
Their nuclear program is useless, you have to be incredibly stupid to believe the patriot-systems that were placed in Turkey are there to protect Turkey from Syria. That's the bad news for you though, Turkey is a Nato partner and they will never give up Kurdish territory in return, neither will Iraq. Pretty screwed. I didn't even know that there was a Kurdish community in Iran.
yes indeed. the Turkeys Racism knows no limit !
and yes. Kurds are 55 million with no government for 2500 years and with fighting for freedom for 400 years !!
Kurds are in Iran-Syria-Turkey-Iraq!! and many in Armenia - Azerbaijan - Germany - Sweden - Englan - Netherlands!!
we were part to parted torned and they all wanted us to be Extinguished and vanished ! but despite their crimes they couldnt !! kurds will not be defeated!!
and many i should write but here's place is so little and need many posts and place!!
a summary = https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?65270-Kurdistan&p=2053526791#post2053526791 (POST 78#)
(read my Signature)
this too https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?144111-!!-Ancient-Pre-Elami-Civilization-!!
The Grey Wolves have a lot of influence here, Kurdish community is understanbly rather silent. I wouldn't expect all too much
info for your wellbeing so a black bag isn't the last thing you see, this site is hosted in Canada, every post you make on an foreign ip is going directly to the secret service automatically. You know how ruthless they are be carefull
I like the idea that there is someone who is forced to read all my posts.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 13:06
info for your wellbeing so a black bag isn't the last thing you see, this site is hosted in Canada, every post you make on an foreign ip is going directly to the secret service automatically. You know how ruthless they are be carefull
you mean even proxy & unblockers(VPNs or Softwares) and hotshields?!! your kidding me?!
The Grey Wolves have a lot of influence here, Kurdish community is understanbly rather silent. I wouldn't expect all too much
The Turkish Ultra-Racist Grey Wolves in Netherlands & Europe ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my GOD !!!! what this Turks have been made of !!????
Turks are Eating Europe!! im sorry for those Neo-Nazis that are being trialed and jailed for killing those Ultra-Racists !! they just wanted to Save Germany & Europe !!
you mean even proxy & unblockers(VPNs or Softwares) and hotshields?!! your !
No I am not kidding you anything going outside Iran on the internet is watched
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 13:33
No I am not kidding you anything going outside Iran on the internet is watched
OH !!!!!!!!! Then , Farewell Brother !! i guess i'm done !!!!!
can you save me & Complain to UN ?!!!! pffff!!! what did i say !! UN !!! What a Joke !!!!!!!!!
The Turkish Ultra-Racist Grey Wolves in Netherlands & Europe ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my GOD !!!! what this Turks have been made of !!????
Turks are Eating Europe!! im sorry for those Neo-Nazis that are being trialed and jailed for killing those Ultra-Racists !! they just wanted to Save Germany & Europe !!
If you dislike the Grey Wolves, you should also dislike the Neo-Nazis. The Neo-Nazis don't really distinguish between Turks and Kurds, just FYI. I'd wager most of them don't even know there is a difference. Most normal people don't care or know either. I personally couldn't tell a Turk and a Kurd apart. I have a Turkish friend who may actually be Kurdish but he isn't even sure himself, and I don't think he really cares, he's pretty German in most regards anyway.
The Neo-Nazis only want to save themselves, they kill people because they lost their jobs and blame it on the dirty foreigners and stuff like that, you should be more careful who you are sorry for.
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 14:07
Seeing how the NSU was unable to distinguish between turks and greeks, I find it rather hard to believe they are able to distinguish between turks and kurds.
Also, kurds belong in the same category of untermensch in their eyes anyway.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 14:21
Seeing how the NSU was unable to distinguish between turks and greeks, I find it rather hard to believe they are able to distinguish between turks and kurds.
Also, kurds belong in the same category of untermensch in their eyes anyway.
your completely right !! i dont like Neo-Nazis!! if they were Nazis, they would obey Hitler's believe of ONE ARYAN NATION !! but they are just terrorists made by Zionists & Freemasons to show Nationalistic believes as Terrorism !! you know, i just hate Turkish Ultra-Racism! but you know again, All Turks if not Ultra, but they are Racist!
and again your right! if you know maybe, Mesut Ozil (in Real Madrid & Germany) is a Kurd, he said himself. but because Turks & Arabs forced Kurds to Rename themselves Turkish or Arabic now distinguishing is very difficult !
we have almost 1.350.000 Kurds in Beloved Germany, but the USA's puppet Government of Germany, denied the kurds and told them TURK !!!!!!
the once friend and brother of Kurds, The Germans, now a government that even supports Kurd's Oppression & Suppression by Turkish Racist Government & Ultra-Racists.
why not?! they even sent chemical weapons for Saddam Hussain to Chemical & Genocide The Poor Kurdish Villagers and towns in Anfal of 1988-89.
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 14:33
Medya's posting seems to be the best argument against a kurdish state ever.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 14:37
Medya's posting seems to be the best argument against a kurdish state ever.
why ?! what is your problem !? you cant tolerate truth ?! if i speak about what you like, so im good person !!!????
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 14:39
why ?! what is your problem !? you cant tolerate truth ?! if i speak about what you like, so im good person !!!????
Because your posts are nothing more than a collection of paranoid ramblings, complete with zionist fears and petty local rivalries.
Because your posts are nothing more than a collection of paranoid ramblings, complete with zionist fears and petty local rivalries.
That's reality for some folks
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 14:54
Because your posts are nothing more than a collection of paranoid ramblings, complete with zionist fears and petty local rivalries.
it is the truth!! you must discuss not to offend!! in where i have insulted you or European/American people that you do it against me?! i refered to a racist Party that controls the world like Zionists & FreeMasons!! i have much Proofs & reasons to say that !! but you only dont want to listen what is against the Routin & habitual beliefs that they injected to your minds !! but you believe me or not .. needs discussion or ignoring, not to insult !! im very disappointed in you.
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 15:03
Zionists do not control the world.
Freemasons do not control the world.
Turkish organizations do not control the world.
Also: All hail the peaceful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah_Krekar) and tolerant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam) kurds!
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 15:20
Zionists do not control the world.
Freemasons do not control the world.
Turkish organizations do not control the world.
Also: All hail the peaceful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah_Krekar) and tolerant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam) kurds!
you see !! you have hatred !! haha !!
im not muslim !! Mula Krekar is one of few Muslim Extremist terrorist that does not mean represent the Kurds !! but im surprised why you only saw the little black side ?!! why you didnt see the bright side that Mariwan Halabjaee that criticised the origin of Islam, was fatwaed to be excommunicated and killed alongside Salman Rushdi ??!! he was Kurd too!!
and Ansar-Al-Islam is a sunni terrorist organization that its led by Iranian Islamic republic!! they are ARAB not Kurd!! the Kurdistans autonomous government too will also jail them if they be seen !!
why you see that we had never an Islamic terrorist group that suicide bomb or terror anyone against Islam or Sunnism ?!!!!! why the Kurdistans autonomous region does not have an Islamic Government ?! or support islamist terrorist ?!! In Kurdistans or Europe ?!!! while you see in Turks & Arabs & Persians had many many Islamist terrorism or Islamic Government or supporting islamist terrorism !!!
you dont have anything! you just want to insult and insult !!! never mind !! i will not think all Norwegian are like your ignorant, as we have more than 180.000 kurds in Norway living in peace with no problem with them even like Germany - Sweden - Franc - &.......! too will jail them if they be seen !!
why you see that we had never an Islamic terrorist group that suicide bomb or terror anyone against Islam or Sunnism ?!!!!! why the Kurdistans autonomous region does not have an Islamic Government ?! or support islamist terrorist ?!! In Kurdistans or Europe ?!!! while you see in Turks & Arabs & Persians had many many Islamist terrorism or Islamic Government or supporting islamist terrorism !!!
you dont have anything! you just want to insult and insult !!! never mind !! i will not think all Norwegian are like your ignorant, as we have more than 180.000 kurds in Norway living in peace with no problem with them even like Germany - Sweden - Franc - &.......!
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 15:24
I don't see this ending well.
Anyhoo, I'm fortunate to know that kurds are sane people like everyone else, and that the kurdish organizations in my local area works closely with the turkish organizatons, usually co-hosting their events. The few who wants to drive up racism and conflict, like Medya, drown in a sea of normal people.
The few who wants to drive up racism and conflict, like Medya, drown in a sea of normal people.
While his posts are a little....out there, I don't think he really means to promote either of those things.
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 15:45
While his posts are a little....out there, I don't think he really means to promote either of those things.
He views nazism favourably and views the kurdish region as "us vs them".
If that's not promoting racism and conflict, I don't know what is.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 15:49
While his posts are a little....out there, I don't think he really means to promote either of those things.
Thank You Rajpoot !! hahaha !! breathe one's last from laughing !! oh my god !! some moments ago he insulted Kurds and told them terrorists & killers, and then after by my respected and reasonable post thought he just says ***t! now he is condemning me to be RACIST while all my posts is against Racism!! well, when you dont have anything to, why you dont just run instead of defending at all cost !!! :laugh4:
He views nazism favourably and views the kurdish region as "us vs them".
If that's not promoting racism and conflict, I don't know what is.
i told original Nazism was to have one united Aryan country! and Neo-Nazis are not Nazism just attack anybody not German Race!!
i didnt say Nazism good or bad !!!
and yes- all the world knows upper 99% turks are racist and 20 % Ultra-Racist and hate Kurds (Specially) & persians & Bulgars & Greeks & Hungarians !!
He views nazism favourably and views the kurdish region as "us vs them".
If that's not promoting racism and conflict, I don't know what is.
your completely right !! i dont like Neo-Nazis!! if they were Nazis, they would obey Hitler's believe of ONE ARYAN NATION !! but they are just terrorists made by Zionists & Freemasons to show Nationalistic believes as Terrorism !! you know, i just hate Turkish Ultra-Racism! but you know again, All Turks if not Ultra, but they are Racist!
I might be reading this wrong but what I got from this was that he hates the Neo Nazis, Nazis, Zionists and Freemasons and the ultra-racist Turks.
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 16:01
I might be reading this wrong but what I got from this was that he hates the Neo Nazis, Nazis, Zionists and Freemasons and the ultra-racist Turks.
I read it as a support of nazism and Hitler and a claim that neo-nazi's are a false flag movement created by the zionist movement.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 16:03
I might be reading this wrong but what I got from this was that he hates the Neo Nazis, Nazis, Zionists and Freemasons and the ultra-racist Turks.
your eyes are completely right !!!! just i think he is a Racist Turk or a friend of a Racist Turk and influenced by Racist Turk!! or just an arrant rambler crossing the ORG !!
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 16:14
your eyes are completely right !!!! just i think he is a Racist Turk or a friend of a Racist Turk and influenced by Racist Turk!! or just an arrant rambler crossing the ORG !!
....And you don't see the obvious racism in "hating zionism"(ie jews)....?
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 16:25
....And you don't see the obvious racism in "hating zionism"(ie jews)....?
no have more than 2 million Kurdish Jews In Israel and Iran, why i should hate jews ?!! Zionists are not like simple jews !! Jewish = a Religions , Zionism = A Racist Party that have unlimited resources of economies of the world and do whatever they like and no one criticize them because they are hidden and with secrecy. and the Master of United States Policy !!
dont make your insults and hatred Legalized !! say ok ! Excuse me i was misunderstood !!
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 16:29
no have more than 2 million Kurdish Jews In Israel and Iran, why i should hate jews ?!! Zionists are not like simple jews !! Jewish = a Religions , Zionism = A Racist Party that have unlimited resources of economies of the world and do whatever they like and no one criticize them because they are hidden and with secrecy. and the Master of United States Policy !!
dont make your insults and hatred Legalized !! say ok ! Excuse me i was misunderstood !!
Racist paranoia confirmed.
There is no New World Order with its One World Government, there is no Zionist conspiracy secretly running the world.
Sorry.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 16:47
Racist paranoia confirmed.
There is no New World Order with its One World Government, there is no Zionist conspiracy secretly running the world.
Sorry.
by your say it will not change anything ! they are doing their work for New World order !! it can be seen in world now with a little wise !!
oh !! you see !! your eyes shut your ears shut your mind controlled !! of course you only want to attack then legalize yourself that others join you !! you failed !!! hahaha !!
now your worthless to discuss !! i want to discuss with a grown and wise man even if he doesnt accept my beliefs !!
now all knows you just want to Impose your false thoughts and insult whoever doesnt like !!
End of Discussion with non itself (Controlled & think its his thoughts) and Fools.
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 16:51
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAA
my respected and reasonable post
:inquisitive:
Are you trolling? The ratio of exclamation marks to letters in every single one of your posts is way above the international standard for reasonable posts.
i want to discuss with a grown and wise man
So do all the people who ignore your posts.
Ser Clegane
05-17-2013, 20:22
:speechless:
What?
Why?
When?
:help:
:creep:
Greyblades
05-17-2013, 20:40
Wow, 30+ posts of worthless posts. I want the 30 seconds of skimming them back.
Sarmatian
05-17-2013, 21:35
If only Tribesman was here - I'd say about 150-200 smileys from this thread alone.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 23:10
:inquisitive:
Are you trolling? The ratio of exclamation marks to letters in every single one of your posts is way above the international standard for reasonable posts.
So do all the people who ignore your posts.
dear Husar i think you too misunderstand me, ok i will never have this kind of discussions, not because im wrong, because these things that i say demand a very longer & splited discussions! my wrong is that im bringing a summary for what i tell, and not many understands, so i want peace with you here a gift for you!!! oh exxuse me i thought im in total war!!
anyway i want you accept my apologies and accept my frienship and peace, from now on i will change the way to discuss the people in here.
Kadagar_AV
05-18-2013, 00:44
Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya, sounds like you have a lot of frustration on your mind. Why don't you start a thread, say, about the Kurdish freedom movement? Please don't make it a wall of text though, but open up for debate and questions about it :)
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 07:41
Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya, sounds like you have a lot of frustration on your mind. Why don't you start a thread, say, about the Kurdish freedom movement? Please don't make it a wall of text though, but open up for debate and questions about it :)
dear kadgar, ihave never thought about it !! but you know, this debate was not because of Kurdistan, the matter was Zionism & Freemasons, at all all Imperialists that changed/changes the world and control it.
and i dont know if i start THREAD, how many of these people that misunderstood me, will offense me blindly or ignore the thread!! because the genocide and division & Splitions of Kurdistan's, was/is directly connected with imperialistic administration of the world.
so i dont know what to do in this world !! i just think ...........ah never mind! :no: it needs an confabulate discuss that requires natural & Wise people !!
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2013, 09:07
dear kadgar, ihave never thought about it !! but you know, this debate was not because of Kurdistan, the matter was Zionism & Freemasons, at all all Imperialists that changed/changes the world and control it.
and i dont know if i start THREAD, how many of these people that misunderstood me, will offense me blindly or ignore the thread!! because the genocide and division & Splitions of Kurdistan's, was/is directly connected with imperialistic administration of the world.
so i dont know what to do in this world !! i just think ...........ah never mind! :no: it needs an confabulate discuss that requires natural & Wise people !!
I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.
So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?
I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.
So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?
I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off about
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rlz=&q=Kurdish+territories&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=nzmXUZbXMeiS0QX98YDoCg&biw=1024&bih=644&sei=ozmXUd3xDaen0wXd6YHoAg#biv=i%7C14%3Bd%7CoEMU4LHRSWZNFM%3A
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2013, 09:25
I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off about
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rlz=&q=Kurdish+territories&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=nzmXUZbXMeiS0QX98YDoCg&biw=1024&bih=644&sei=ozmXUd3xDaen0wXd6YHoAg#biv=i%7C14%3Bd%7CoEMU4LHRSWZNFM%3A
Well sure, but why pick on the poor freemasons?
Well sure, but why pick on the poor freemasons?
I have absolutely no idea, but much like the Bilderberg group they don't want all too much attention that much is sure
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 11:13
I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.
So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?
i actually didnt hate Freemasons, as they are very talented & Wise persons, its not known but i have many proofs that Britain was influenced then caught by FreeMasons in 17th-18th Century and the USA was Founded & Powered it by them!! Freemason's past backs to Crusades as KNIGHT TEMPLARS! it needs too much discussion i will shorten it and make it summary! They were masons of architecture until 17th century, but because of 450 years tortured and excommunicated by the Church, and then they swore to change the world and but, and you may know they were taught KABALA an ancient dark magic by the jews, and they were expert at alchemy too!! but one of their beliefs is Imperialistic! they splited & Divided Kurdistan to 4 criminal Dictator & Racist Governments, despite they promised in the treaty of Sevres in 1920-1923, if not an independent nations, but at least an autonomous governments !! they even breaked that Treaty & promise and betrayed and sold out 30 million people in that time (now 55 million)!! because they saw more benefit & profit by not letting Kurdistan be Free & Independent!! the kurds uprised against britain but winston churchil the devil, told the royal army & airborne to bombard the poor Kurds that had the least technologie of weapons !! and .................and, they aided significantly to SADDAM HUSSAIN to Kill & Chemical & genocide the Poor Kurdish People (Specially Saddam destroyed 2600 Villages Completely and chemicaled bombed 380.000 unfortunate civilian people!!), and their aid to Ataturk to Expel & & genocide & mass killings of Kurds! and too much betrayals by USA & Britain! (Requries too much time to express)
i said only for Kurdistan not for example Imperialistic Activites and interferences of Germany & Africans & Middle&South Americans & Indochina & .......!
and plus that your Religious, their new world order is to wipe out all religions on earth and all must accept THEIR New World Order !!
and many many things wants time and long discuss in other thread !
Freemasons actually are the Templar order. Our new friend isn't that far off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)
Conradus
05-18-2013, 11:41
Freemasons actually are the Temple order. Our new friend isn't that far off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)
The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar, but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.
The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar, but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.
So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have them
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 13:04
So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have them
if you Wikipedia it, still many wil be unknown, because those writing about it in wikipedia its been released by themselves!! as you may know, they love secrecy and secrecy is what made them change the world and no one knew & knows!!
they are truly complicated and confusing & problematic, thats why many in here called me Paranoia !!! because its just Unbelievable !!
hey, have you played Assassin's Creed Series ?!!! i thought first, its an anti-Masonic(or Temlaric) Game, but then it shows the favors of Masonic symbols and ways!! but its strange that Assassins are fighting against templars, the origins and fathers of modern FreeMasons !!
and we should not think Assassin's Creed only as a simple game as it connected to the end of the world as it said, i think it shows secretly how the NEW WORLD ORDER will be !??!!
but i have no doubt in at least 50 years later when the transfering the power from USA to Israel (as what happend, Great Britains's Superpowerity transfered to USA!!) is done, and then The New World Order Will Be Finished, so there's is no END OF THE WORLD!! its just deception.
Rhyfelwyr
05-18-2013, 13:16
In 1751 Baron Karl Gotthelf von Hund und Altengrotkau began the Order of Strict Observance, which ritual he claimed to have received from the reconstituted Templar Order in 1743 in Paris. He also claimed to have met two of the "unknown superiors" who directed all of masonry, one of whom was Prince Charles Edward Stuart. [3][4]
You learn something new every day, I never would have thought that Bonnie Prince Charlie was a top dog in the freemasons.
Didn't do him much good at Culloden though.
In fact, I can see it all coming together. The Knights Templar are said to have won the Battle of Bannockburn (http://www.scotsman.com/news/how-crusading-templars-gave-bruce-the-edge-at-bannockburn-1-1363283) for the Scots back in 1314, they made Scotland their home after their exile.
So if the Scots Prince Bonnie Prince Charlie is one of the top guys in the Freemasons a few hundred years later, this fits perfectly!
I think our Kurdish friend is right!
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 13:35
You learn something new every day, I never would have thought that Bonnie Prince Charlie was a top dog in the freemasons.
Didn't do him much good at Culloden though.
In fact, I can see it all coming together. The Knights Templar are said to have won the Battle of Bannockburn (http://www.scotsman.com/news/how-crusading-templars-gave-bruce-the-edge-at-bannockburn-1-1363283) for the Scots back in 1314, they made Scotland their home after their exile.
So if the Scots Prince Bonnie Prince Charlie is one of the top guys in the Freemasons a few hundred years later, this fits perfectly!
I think our Kurdish friend is right!
who is that man ???!! why you believed after you saw his name as freemasons??! is he important??!
you know dear friends, i know many things, because i spoke with some men visited the Masonic Lodges and i saw many Videos about them in youtube! you know, because of total restrictions & limits i have on internet in here i cant Link you or tell you where to go and see for yourself, and another matter is that , the islamic government that was once came from them, turned away from them in two period of after the hostage crisis of USA embassy in iran, and then after the revolt of 2009. so they started to uncover a little of their secrets for peopl, and thats why i know more than you, im not genius, you too can know, but the matter is this that they have Europe & USA & Canda and......in their hands and wont let anyone to uncover their secrets, and if someone does will make the situation and some lie news so peoples cant believe and dont mention it!! and even if some of them dont go like their way, they will be CLEANED Like Abraham Lincold-John.f.Kennedy-Michael Jackson&....... . and the other is that they made your world like robots world, that no one care about anything and just drown in your own worries and even pleasures of life (MATERIALISM) for example THE AMERICAN DREAM !! and dont let you to search and know more! specially their Very Strong propaganda, physical propaganda and mind propagandas like HOLLYWOOD to again split you from the worlds problems and to show THEY ARE THE SAVIORS of HUMANITY when they show Uniteds States or Israelic Flags & Symbols and ........
told you!!! it needs too much discuss!
but another thing i can tell you is to search youtube : ARRIVAL
i know it is islamic, but SOME of the truths in those videos was incovered by western professors and researchers! not by muslim men!! this muslim only edited this leaks & Uncovers and when finished it, it edited it in Islamic Style, so dont care about its religious and islamic words & subtitles just pay attention to the things they have done/are doing !!
dear Husar i think you too misunderstand me, ok i will never have this kind of discussions, not because im wrong, because these things that i say demand a very longer & splited discussions! my wrong is that im bringing a summary for what i tell, and not many understands, so i want peace with you here a gift for you!!! oh exxuse me i thought im in total war!!
anyway i want you accept my apologies and accept my frienship and peace, from now on i will change the way to discuss the people in here.
It's all fine, I was trying to help you and show you that your style doesn't get you very far here. It already looks better in that post. ~D
Conradus
05-18-2013, 18:14
So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have them
Yeah, written by Dan Brown? It's not because the Free Masons use Templar rituals, that they are in another way connected to them. Espcially since there's a gap of a couple of centuries between the end of the Templars and the rise of Freemasonry.
Yeah, written by Dan Brown? It's not because the Free Masons use Templar rituals, that they are in another way connected to them. Espcially since there's a gap of a couple of centuries between the end of the Templars and the rise of Freemasonry.
Is there, the Knights Templar were disbanded in France yes. Freemasons = templar order
Is there, the Knights Templar were disbanded in France yes. Freemasons = templar order
Why do we need conspiracy theories at all when the truth might be simpler?
After the Templars were disbanded they spread out, as might anyone who's a member of an order that is being hunted. And they sought refuge amongst other similar orders of that time. For instance many members who were in Spain supposedly joined the Order of Santiago. Many others joined the Order of St John. Some might've migrated to Scotland too, and the Freemasons might have some limited relation to the Knights Templar, but to say that the Freemasons are a continuity of the Knights Templar has no solid proof.
Edit:
From Iran's nukes to Freemasons and Templars. Amazing. :laugh4:
I never said they are up to something or anything. But I did gave a perfectly fine wiki
Here's it is again http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24800.House_of_Leaves
Edit:i screwed up this is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 22:09
Why do we need conspiracy theories at all when the truth might be simpler?
After the Templars were disbanded they spread out, as might anyone who's a member of an order that is being hunted. And they sought refuge amongst other similar orders of that time. For instance many members who were in Spain supposedly joined the Order of Santiago. Many others joined the Order of St John. Some might've migrated to Scotland too, and the Freemasons might have some limited relation to the Knights Templar, but to say that the Freemasons are a continuity of the Knights Templar has no solid proof.
Edit:
From Iran's nukes to Freemasons and Templars. Amazing. :laugh4:
if they would be that simple, their name would not be FREEMASON!! i said, they do anything with secrecy, they WERE order, now they are superpowers!! their order is not like a simple order, in fact it was, but they decided to change the world and end the religions and unificate all humen under one banner, one culture, and one beliefe!!
we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.
we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!
how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!
Rhyfelwyr
05-18-2013, 23:34
we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.
we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!
how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!
You are right to identify these major changes.
But I do not believe that they occurred due to some conspiracy. What really caused them is economic and technological developments.
Technology has made the world a smaller place. I can hop on a plane and travel from Scotland to Kurdistan in a matter of hours. Ideas and styles can travel much faster now that they used to. Consider the internet - look at how a Kurd like yourself is able to communicate here with me, a Brit, as well as Americans, Norwegians, Dutchfolk etc. This allows for the exchange of ideas - hence why a Kurd like yourself would become an atheist rather than staying Muslim. And there's plenty of media besides the internet. Even though I am Scottish, I speak only English. Why? Because for hundreds of years literature was printed in English, and now when we watch TV we hear it in English. How is it that a Kurd like yourself can speak English? I'm guessing you were exposed through international media etc.
And then there's the economic changes. The collapse of the Communist World means we now have an economy that is truly global in its extent. Ideas like fascism, where people valued interventionism and closed borders against the world market have now disappeared. Consumer products made in China clothe Americans, while the Chinese aspire to look American in their dress.
And these technological and economic changes in turn drive social and political changes.
There is no conspiracy - change is natural.
You are right that Kurdistan and its people have been treated very badly by many different countries, but you are wrong in blaming it on a Zionist/Freemason conspiracy.
I never said they are up to something or anything. But I did gave a perfectly fine wiki
Here's it is again http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24800.House_of_Leaves
Edit:i screwed up this is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)
I actually went through that page before posting.
The introduction ends with this-
The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar), but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.
Secondly even if one just goes by the name, the modern day Templars are of the Temple of St John while the medieval order was of the Temple of Solomon. Look at the full names of both orders.
Medieval Templars - Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon
Freemason Templars - The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta
if they would be that simple, their name would not be FREEMASON!! i said, they do anything with secrecy, they WERE order, now they are superpowers!! their order is not like a simple order, in fact it was, but they decided to change the world and end the religions and unificate all humen under one banner, one culture, and one beliefe!!
we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.
we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!
how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!
Cultural change works both ways. The East and the West are both learning things from each other. Off the top of my head Yoga and Shwarma are quite popular in the USA, just like Pizza and Western clothes are popular here. Like Rhyfelwyr pointed out social and cultural change is as natural as evolution. And people happily accepting and assimilating the best aspects of each others cultures is certainly a lot better than the alternative of everyone smashing each others skulls try to establish their supremacy.
If it means that the world will one day end up being a place where all cultures are thoroughly mixed and people of all religions live together, what could be better than that. After all peace and harmony is what every nation is working towards. So even if the Freemasons are a powerful group working behind the scenes to achieve the aforementioned goal, I say we should all help them in their noble cause.
Ironside
05-19-2013, 09:30
I never said they are up to something or anything. But I did gave a perfectly fine wiki
Here's it is again http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24800.House_of_Leaves
Edit:i screwed up this is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)
Dude, everyone knows about the entire Swedish royal line back to Magog (a grandson of Noah) or that Atlantis was located in Sweden.
Or that some people likes to make stuff up linking it back into historical or "historical" events to make you appear more important. See FYROM for a modern example. For example, celebrating Alexander the great as slavic person because the Romans had another naming policy than the Greeks (making Roman Makedonia larger than Greek Makedonia).
Pannonian
05-19-2013, 13:10
I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off about
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rlz=&q=Kurdish+territories&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=nzmXUZbXMeiS0QX98YDoCg&biw=1024&bih=644&sei=ozmXUd3xDaen0wXd6YHoAg#biv=i%7C14%3Bd%7CoEMU4LHRSWZNFM%3A
If Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya were representative of pro-Kurdistanists, I'm happy that we've pissed them off by creating Iraq.
If Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya were representative of pro-Kurdistanists, I'm happy that we've pissed them off by creating Iraq.
I don't really blame them for being a bit angry, they got kinda screwed. Saladin was Kurdish they once had a lot more musscle to spare. Now spread out all over Turkey Iraq and apparently Iran, that one is new to me I never knew Iran has a Kurdish community
Empire*Of*Media
05-19-2013, 19:54
You are right to identify these major changes.
But I do not believe that they occurred due to some conspiracy. What really caused them is economic and technological developments.
Technology has made the world a smaller place. I can hop on a plane and travel from Scotland to Kurdistan in a matter of hours. Ideas and styles can travel much faster now that they used to. Consider the internet - look at how a Kurd like yourself is able to communicate here with me, a Brit, as well as Americans, Norwegians, Dutchfolk etc. This allows for the exchange of ideas - hence why a Kurd like yourself would become an atheist rather than staying Muslim. And there's plenty of media besides the internet. Even though I am Scottish, I speak only English. Why? Because for hundreds of years literature was printed in English, and now when we watch TV we hear it in English. How is it that a Kurd like yourself can speak English? I'm guessing you were exposed through international media etc.
And then there's the economic changes. The collapse of the Communist World means we now have an economy that is truly global in its extent. Ideas like fascism, where people valued interventionism and closed borders against the world market have now disappeared. Consumer products made in China clothe Americans, while the Chinese aspire to look American in their dress.
And these technological and economic changes in turn drive social and political changes.
There is no conspiracy - change is natural.
You are right that Kurdistan and its people have been treated very badly by many different countries, but you are wrong in blaming it on a Zionist/Freemason conspiracy.
indeed dear Rhyfelwyr your right, but even these changes due to economical and techological, was planned by them gradualy and slowly, as if you research, many physicians astrologists chemistryans architectures and.....that shaked the humens world life in 16th-to now, were freemasons, for example DaVinci, if you research about him & freemasonry, you'll see that great man did many for humanity, while he puted many hidden codes & symbols in his paintings that are famous as DaVinci Code!!
you know, HollyWood Too that is themselves, played a significant role in changing cultures, as i example your India, The Loving Movies with showing Beutiful Culture of India, was Replaced By american Dances and Bikini Clothes!! and that was only for India that its Origin Cultures like many, or All, Changed by a new Western(AMERICAN!) Culture!!
you know, i never used the word CONSPIRACY, this is a very short and simple word for what is going on in the world, as they Believe: They Bring Humankind From Darkness To Lightness!!
i dont think horribly about them, they are almost vanishing religions that have harm for humanity, they are making everywhere modern that the world be like one,............
it needs Refrence that i should direct you to them, but unfortuantely i am in Iranian Internet!!
but you can search more in internet, specially YouTube.
Cultural change works both ways. The East and the West are both learning things from each other. Off the top of my head Yoga and Shwarma are quite popular in the USA, just like Pizza and Western clothes are popular here. Like Rhyfelwyr pointed out social and cultural change is as natural as evolution. And people happily accepting and assimilating the best aspects of each others cultures is certainly a lot better than the alternative of everyone smashing each others skulls try to establish their supremacy.
If it means that the world will one day end up being a place where all cultures are thoroughly mixed and people of all religions live together, what could be better than that. After all peace and harmony is what every nation is working towards. So even if the Freemasons are a powerful group working behind the scenes to achieve the aforementioned goal, I say we should all help them in their noble cause.
and i didnt say they are BAD because they have done this !! i just want to prove that they exist strongly and changed the world! i never hated them or hate because they changed the world!! i only hate their Imperialistical Benefits, that will do anything to achieve it at all cost, even sheding blood or slavering them or Colonize Them !!
sorry for my bad englsih !!!!!
If Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya were representative of pro-Kurdistanists, I'm happy that we've pissed them off by creating Iraq.
Kurds Have Nothing with my Informations about .....! But Dictators like you are many that wan to suppress and offence !! that say doesnt make me angry!
and
pleaseeeeeeeeeee Saladin does not represent kurds! he was Muslim and nothing more! i dont peoud of him!!
Ironside
05-20-2013, 08:12
and
pleaseeeeeeeeeee Saladin does not represent kurds! he was Muslim and nothing more! i dont peoud of him!!
:inquisitive: Now you got me curious. He's probably one of the most famous kurds and had extremely good reputation for his time. Sure, he lived way before nationalism started to matter in any significant extent when it comes to statebuilding, but rejecting him as a kurd?
Papewaio
05-20-2013, 08:31
Ok, what are the values and systems to support it of a proposed modern Kurdistan?
Might want to start another thread for that. I hope it involves more then bigger is better...
Empire*Of*Media
05-20-2013, 08:45
:inquisitive: Now you got me curious. He's probably one of the most famous kurds and had extremely good reputation for his time. Sure, he lived way before nationalism started to matter in any significant extent when it comes to statebuilding, but rejecting him as a kurd?
no i dont reject him as a Kurd!! i only said that he did not fought for Kurds, he even did not gave an autonomous region to Kurds while in Ottomon era we had more than 3 autonomous states at least in 1522-1600 !!
i said he more represent Arabic Islam than Kurdish, and Arabs & Muslims must be proud of him, there is no proud for him to be a Kurd !!
Empire*Of*Media
05-21-2013, 07:50
I've always been of the opinion that Northern Iraq would be better off under the Kurds than anybody else. That's a part of the world where autonomy is pretty feasible, given the weak and corrupt state of the Iraqi government. Dunno about the rest of all that stuff, though.
yes. while arabs & turks & persians calls us terorists, this hows that in whole over iraq, there is but one region in peace and saftey, and this hows the kurds peacefulness, as what i hope happen too in Kurdistan of Turkey and syria. (less hope for Kurdistan of Iran!!)
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