View Full Version : Wilder's trial part deux
How should I put things differently to say the exact same thing. Wilders trial is only exposing the arrogance of the elite. Things aren't going as planned by the Beaconstrictor no
Edit, the by the queen appointed judge couldn't control his emotions, so he was send of. Even his pro childrape boss was too busy, probably fiddling still pubic wasteland like just about every judge
Crazed Rabbit
10-27-2010, 03:56
While I understand little of what Frag wrote, the assault on free speech in the Netherlands is deeply saddening.
CR
It's meant for the Dutch members, but this is a interesting 'trial', I'll post some details later
Everything screams scheme gone wrong
InsaneApache
10-27-2010, 13:29
Is this the guy who looks like a blond Mekon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mekon)?
Well got some time to spare. First of all, this trial is absurd and the prosecution never wanted to prosecute, but the Amsterdam court forced them to do it anyway. Absolutely unheard of. The statement of the court was noting but a political pamflet, Wilders was basicly already convicted.
On the first day it became apparent that the judges were biased, new judges were demanded by the defence, which was refused by the collegues of the same judges who go over that, fellow judges. Weird.
Second day the judges couldn't hide their bias again, in a hilarious day at the court, never seen anything like it, godwin after godwin, judges didn't interfere. Not sure if that is illegal but indecent it was for sure.
Third day was Armageddon, it became clear that the judge who was behind the charges has tried to influence a witness of the defence. The judges refused when the defence wanted to hear him. Current judges position became unholdable, the whole proces has to be redone.
Now all of these judges are known to be affiliated with extreme leftist activists groups, the judge who forced the prosecution is also pro-pedo, which makes it all the more likely that a certain person who I won't mention is pulling the strings. The rumors of the socalled 'pink ballets', underage sex-party's for high government officials in the Netherlands and Belgium never died down, and probably go as high as the royal family the queens husband is rumored to attend them , not exactly a friend of Wilders. Wilders IS a threat to the royal family he hates their guts, and he is now the most powerful politician of the Netherlands. A conviction for spreading hate could make his party illegal.
A lot of the judges can be blackmailed, it's a public secret that sex-party's for judges were also organised on Curacau by a certain van der Sloot, yeah his daddy, also a judge.
There is a maddening amount of circumstantial evidence that this is an old-boy network scheme that went very very wrong and a parlementory inquiry is pretty much unavoidable.
Tellos Athenaios
10-27-2010, 15:59
Wilders, a threat to the royal family? To paraphrase you “licking like Lassie”. Well, blondie.
Wilders, a threat to the royal family? To paraphrase you ?licking like Lassie?. Well, blondie.
Yes absolutely every new party is, not just to the royals but also the network surroinding her, Wilders is openly hostile and wants to limit their power and he makes no secret it. You probably know who our mystery-man is and why he's under the queens protection. This trial should have been a done deal but it blew up in their face, we will just have to wait and see how badly but the silk gloves will come off.
Skullheadhq
10-27-2010, 16:25
and probably go as high as the royal family the queens husband is rumored to attend them.
The man is dead for years and Claus was sick long before that.
The man is dead for years and Claus was sick long before that.
Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.
Louis VI the Fat
10-27-2010, 18:59
Off the top of my head, the extreme right parties or their leaders of France, Belgium, Austria, Denmark and Britain have all been prosecuted for various hate speech crimes.
Whatever else one may think of that, national conspiracies do not seem to cut it as an explanation.
The new populism has upped its game in recent years. The decline of the mainstream media and its mitigating force has been seized upon. The new right now no longer positions itself as far right. Instead, the far right on its blogosphere and television stations now claims it is the normal, traditional right. Or even the centrist political force. One which is under threat from, or supressed by, the vast leftwing take-over.
Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.
What?
The Stranger
10-28-2010, 11:38
How should I put things differently to say the exact same thing. Wilders trial is only exposing the arrogance of the elite. Things aren't going as planned by the Beaconstrictor no
Edit, the by the queen appointed judge couldn't control his emotions, so he was send of. Even his pro childrape boss was too busy, probably fiddling still pubic wasteland like just about every judge
what elite? the left or the right elite XD its so funny...
al Roumi
10-28-2010, 11:43
the vast leftwing take-over.
God, I almost wish there was such a thing -just to actually oppose these populist rabble-rousers.
Furunculus
10-28-2010, 11:52
God, I almost wish there was such a thing -just to actually oppose these populist rabble-rousers.
genuine political representtion is a shocking thing, is it not?
al Roumi
10-28-2010, 11:59
genuine political representtion is a shocking thing, is it not?
:smile: We've been here before, I don't think that every decision made by "the people" will be correct. They simply don't know enough and tend to be extremely short sighted. That kind of democracy is anarchy, literaly and figuratively.
what elite? the left or the right elite XD its so funny...
The Bea constrictor and her loyal lapdogs, the whole old-boy network really. Or do you actually believe this isn't political trail. It already reeked when 17 of the 20 witnesses were denied. Now it has turned out that Amsterdam court has tried to manipulate a key wittness, and refused him to be heard when it came out, it smells badly. Amsterdam court already smelled of corruption and cover-ups anyway, clients getting lower punishment for a blowjob the pink ballets, the orgy's on curacau, always has.
The Stranger
10-28-2010, 13:30
since when is the queen leftist? or do you not mean the left elite? :P
well anyway, the trial is a joke it is true, but the problem lies alot deeper, we have a culture of negative responsibility it is always about blame never about solving the problem. wilders does the same, the party opposing him does the same, they think by silencing or killing or deporting the problem to another country it is solved, as if a patient is cured by killing him or deporting him to another hospital...
Don't know what the Bea constrictor really thinks, probably rofl, but she sure as hell favours leftists in appointed positions.
Skullheadhq
10-28-2010, 15:03
Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Claus_of_the_Netherlands
Tellos Athenaios
10-28-2010, 18:27
If you are referring to the Queen she is a lot but certainly not “leftist” and assuredly not “progressive”. Quite conservative, but not quite as right wing as you (Fragony) might like. CDA, I would venture.
The reason there are a lot of “leftists” (assuming anything to the left of VVD is considered leftist) in high positions is, in case you hadn't remembered, is that these are determined by the Provincial elections/ elected by their peers. Those have been traditionally a CDA bastion (because dominated by farmers and others with a stake in planning which is the one thing provinces really do nowadays) but become more open to various left wing and liberal politicians as those parties enjoyed tremendous success during the 90's. So yeah, what did you expect?
If the PVV can prove it is actually any good at governing (not just shouty shouty) or the VVD can actually show some love for other people but its own core voters you might just see a few more right wingers in 10 or 20 years time.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joris_Demmink
the pink ballets
Louis VI the Fat
10-29-2010, 14:29
the royals but also the network surrounding her, Wilders is openly hostile and wants to limit their power and he makes no secret it. Wilders deserves credit for prying open two outdated taboos: the failure of the multicultural society, and the powers of a monarch in the heart of a European democracy.
As to the first: I am not a fan of the extreme right. I also think the mutlicultural society has failed. On both counts, I think I am part of a large majority of public opinion throughout Europe.
Social taboos have prevented open public debate over this matter. (Which is not the same as a leftwing conspiracy)
Well done to Wilders and his ilk for turning the issue into a public debate. I can call Fragony a fanatic, but the truth of the matter is he often expresses thoughts I am simply too afraid to admit in public.
Cameron, Merkel and Sarkozy have all learned the lesson of the populist right, and have all incorporated some of the themes of the hardright into the mainstream right.
As to the second, I can 'somewhat' understand a ceremonial monarchy like Sweden. I shall never, never ever, understand why a developed country in the 21st century wishes to have a big black hole in the heart of its democracy. Every New Guinea tribesman can vote his leader nowadays, democracy is spread to all the corners of the globe. Yet, in a handful of European countries, people remain subject to the whims of royal family.
Completely shield off from the public scrutiny, without any public responsibility, the monarchs in places such as Monaco, Liechtenstein, and the Netherlands are part of the government, they decide who governs and who doesn't.
They ought to be expelled from the EU over it. Instead, across Europe, people have become so accustomed to this intolerable situation, that even Europe's social democratic parties are seldom anti-monarchical. :wall:
Well done to Wilders for breaking the taboo about the monarchy.
rory_20_uk
10-29-2010, 14:37
Erm, there have been recent video leaks showing widespread intimidation of the people of New Guinea. Having the right to elect the dictator or have a hot stick plunged into your genitals isn't that much of a choice.
~:smoking:
al Roumi
10-29-2010, 15:24
Erm, there have been recent video leaks showing widespread intimidation of the people of New Guinea. Having the right to elect the dictator or have a hot stick plunged into your genitals isn't that much of a choice.
A good reminder that elections do not equal democracy.
Tellos Athenaios
10-29-2010, 16:10
Well done to Wilders for breaking the taboo about the monarchy.
Wilders has done nothing whatsoever to merit being credited with breaking open a taboo about the monarchy. The most he did was getting all upset about a bit in some Christmas speech by the Queen; apparently he took the following personal: “grofheid in woord en daad de verdraagzaamheid aantast”. :shrug:
Louis VI the Fat
10-29-2010, 19:44
Wilders has done nothing whatsoever to merit being credited with breaking open a taboo about the monarchy. The most he did was getting all upset about a bit in some Christmas speech by the Queen:huh:
Remove queen from government, says Wilders
Wednesday 27 October 2010
Queen Beatrix should no longer be officially part of the government, PVV leader Geert Wilders said during the debate on the new government on Tuesday.
Wilders, whose party has agreed to back the minority government in a number of policy areas, says he will introduce draft legislation in an effort to get the queen officially removed as head of state.
According to the Dutch constitution, the monarch is officially head of the government, but in practice, it is the prime minister (minister-president in Dutch) who leads.
Republicans
‘We support the royal family. We are not republicans. But having the queen in the government is a bridge too far,’ Wilders said.
He admitted trying and failing to get the new minority VVD CDA government to accept this position during the cabinet formation talks.
Changing the constitution requires a two-thirds majority in both houses of parliament.
Tellos Athenaios
10-29-2010, 20:04
Yes but that is nothing new. Not a taboo. In fact, D66/SP/Greens have tried in the past. It tends to die at the hands of CDA, VVD, SGP, CU, and PvdA.
Being a big party is new, the discussion at itself is usefull enough anyway, D66 can be found waving little flags and throwing confetti on queensday nowadays
Louis VI the Fat
10-29-2010, 20:22
Yes but that is nothing new. Not a taboo. In fact, D66/SP/Greens have tried in the past. It tends to die at the hands of CDA, VVD, SGP, CU, and PvdA.It is new. Within Europe's established monarchies, in the modern age commonly the fringe, anti-establishment, progressive groups are republican.
Wilders by contrast is populist, rightwing, nationalist. And the Netherlands' most influential politician to boot.
Skullheadhq
10-29-2010, 20:23
Being a big party is new, the discussion at itself is usefull enough anyway, D66 can be found waving little flags and throwing confetti on queensday nowadays
I love the amount of conspiricy theories in this thread, keep it going...
Tellos Athenaios
10-29-2010, 21:07
It is new. Within Europe's established monarchies, in the modern age commonly the fringe, anti-establishment, progressive groups are republican.
Wilders by contrast is populist, rightwing, nationalist. And the Netherlands' most influential politician to boot.
I agree Wilders is textbook populist. Right wing is relative though. Compared to 20-30 years ago, maybe (mainly because PvdA was a lot more truly left back then); but compared to the other parties in the spectrum not so much -- a lot is simply perception created by his pet peeves. Note however that Wilders does not play a strong nationalism card either. His rhetoric is suggestive/reminiscent of it, certainly; but he's much more populist than a true nationalist.
Is the phenomenon embodied perhaps by Wilders any new, at least in the Netherlands? No. LPF has been here before. And they were considerably more rightwing, I'd venture as they're mostly the disenfranchised CDA/VVD voters. Before that, Leefbaar Nederland (a mix, really depended on municipality whether or not a Leefbaar party was left (former PvdA) or right (former VVD). Pim Fortuyn incidentally rose from the Rotterdam element of that party to put this in perspective.
Is a big party pushing for abolition of the throne, or at least curtailing its influence new? No. That is what the D66 party by and large was: a progressive (liberal) & republican party founded by scholars with an ideal to put people in more direct control of government through referendums and more election of positions in state.
Being a member of the Democrats 66, I'm a bit indifferent on the whole subject of the Queen. But eh, that might just be me. I don't know what other people think of it. I'm not in favour of a full-scale rebellion, Robespierre-style, with beheadings and all that.
Calling D66 republican is laughable, that's so sixties they gave that all up. Everything really, nothing left. They were never able to make a fist anyway. D66 is coalition-glue, they have no story of their own so they can get in everyones bed. We should put a dynamo on their principles, enough to power a small town. Except the PVV of course, which is the only reason they aren't completely in the margin.
@Hax missed. Read up on prorepublica or herstelderepubliek. You will have an opinion on the family Lippe,van Amsberg and that juntawhore Maxima Zorrigueta very soon. These families go way back, nazi's and junta.
PanzerJaeger
10-30-2010, 10:17
This will make Mr. Wilders more powerful than ever, which is a good thing for the Netherlands and Europe.
This will make Mr. Wilders more powerful than ever, which is a good thing for the Netherlands and Europe.
Most certainly, Amsterdam court has manoevred itself into an nasty situation, they look like the arrogant bunch that thinks they are above the law that they are. We have internet now, playing dirty comes out. Now not Wilders but the crooked judges are really the ones on trial, awesome.
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/politiek/2010/11/pvv_geld_oranjes_korten.html
See TA there we have it, what so-called republican D66 under Pechtold never did. Or the so-called republican Greens. Beatricks van Amsberg should pay *gasp* tax! omgwthwat?? Like everybody else?? Inconceivable!
PVV is good for this country, period.
It feels as if the Netherlands are doing a rerun of Belgian politics from the '90s.
No this is all new the populist won, end of an era if you will, this trial has opened many eyes. Confidence in the integrity of judges is at an historical low these corrupt fools will have to take babysteps to earn it back, the monarchy will end with Beatrix van Amsberg Lippe-Biesterfeld, and labour won't recover. Here's a happy Frag.
Men vs the red machine 1 - 54455667889
but still won
edit: you are here http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/EindverslagvandeIntercultureleDialoogGvabe.html
That wouldn't be a very smart suggestion here currently, policy based on absolute faith in das experiment and rabid islamphilae kinda outstayed it's welcome it will only meet redicule.
edit: ROFLTOV (dutch) http://www.elsevier.mobi/pl/svt/si/elsevier/po/opnl/dk/elsevier.11-09-2010.0268p0000/sc/els_nieuws/ms/geBR0RicW7/r/1289301674/pa/159497 I miss AdrianII I want to make fun of him lololol joppiefloppie ouwe draaimolen van me dat baantje zat er dus ook niet meer in enorme serie-mislukkeling
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