Any one has a taste for Persian Wars??????

[komninos]

Hi all,

I have been developing a mod for the Persian Wars. I was motivated by the Patrician mod and all the people that work for it. I try to stay as compatible with the Patrician mod so to have as many units inter changeable but that is difficult so just the graphics, maps and some other aspects will re-main similar.

Write now I am trying to get a V.0.1 out to all of you and then take it from there.

For the moment I have done a lot of work in the units and the Hellenic factions are more or less finished. These include the Hellenic coalition with (Spartans, Athenians and Macedonians in the Later periods), Thracians, Siracusians. I use the Janni folder for there units. The problem is that Thracians used the open-faced Thrasian helmet (… they look like smurfs with bronze helmets) so I might move them to a new folder with the Etruscans.
Hellenic units include the Hyspasis, Ificratian Hoplites, Spartan Hoplites, Sariza Hoplites, and I think that one more Hoplite unit is needed for both the early armies of the city states since the Ificratian Hoplites appear after the Peloponesian war and they are used also by the Siracusians. Thracians and Siracusians have access only to the Hyspasis which is a lightly armored Hoplite but using the Hoplon. As a side note the Ificratian Hoplites use only Linothorax not a breastplate a smaller shield and a 4.5m pike while the Sarizas (I am not sure on this) use the old type of armor but a 6m pike.
Hellenic cavalry is light and I use a generic unit form the Jinets. From high period of after Persian wars Hypicon, and Companions will be available. The Thracians have a excellent Thracian Light Cavalry from the start of the game.

The Etruscans are more or less finished as a units and the Romans as well. I try too keep the units on a low number so the Romans only get two units Legionarii Cohorts, Pretorians guards. They have the same missile and cavalry units with the Etruscans.

The other factions groups include the Celtic with Gauls, Caledonians, Irish and Iberians.
Germanic with the Germanic northern tribes (practical the area above Rhine and Danube), Baltic People, and Vikings (though early for them they will exist).
North Easy Europeans with Skithans and Some people of the north placed in the Moscow area.
And last bat not least the Eastern with the Persians and Carthigians.

Balancing Factors & things to do…
First Expect good units to be Expensive (Spartans cost ~1600) and take a long time (Spartans – 5 years, Hoplites –2 , Legions – 3 ) but they do have brut force. Celtic and Germanic units are both cheep and easy to produce. There stast are at best mediocre but with high charge values. Basically if they don’t brake the enemy with the first charge pull them out. Eastern unit get to be also cheaper and eastern provinces will get to have high income so the Persian kings will be able to support large mercenary armies.
Finally you will not be able to produce all your units every where i.e. Romans can produce Legions every where given they have facilities but Hellenes will only produce Hyspasis out side of territories with Hellenic population so units will be tightly tide to territories and cultural background.
Finally all units will be fixed as close to 100 men for infantry and 80men for cavalry.

Help needed …
I for the unit graphics … I am a lousy painter … I only managed to get some nice shields for the Hellenic units.
If any one has managed to get the map changed and working a reconfiguration of the game map.
And finally as much input and comments from all of you.

Thanks

[Heraclius]

Sounds great, I can't help you with the technical part but I would love to play it when it is released.

[komninos]

Thanks,

It is not the technical that wories me ... it is the artistic and the map...

Any one .... please ....

[efstratios]

Hello Komnine,

can't help with the graphics but have a lot of info for units and history background and would be more than glad to assist in any way.

E

[Rosacrux]

Hi there Komnine (Greeks: We are taking over the .org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

I fall in the same category as Efstratios - not graphics savy, but I have more than an epidermic knowledge in ancient warfare and I can give you loads and loads of data, names, descriptions, particular units and timeframe for those etc.

If you wish, you can send me a mail to

young_frankie@yahoo.com

[komninos]

Thanks,

I will definitely need some info on practically everything. For the moment I have made a good progress but since not all is ready I can’t post even a beta that will come approximately next weekend (That is if my job permits it … my wife doesn’t take my scalp).

I need some basic info on the later barbarian units (Celtic, Germanic). For the moment I try to get as much info from the DBA and transport it in a heavily modified version of the Exel CA used for the units. When this Exel file will be as I like it (and it doesn’t crash the game) I will post it so all of you can make/modify the units in a unified way.

Some more factions are in plan … since the Skythans are now represented by the Mongols I will give Trepezund, Georgia, and Armenia to the Armenians … I have found some excellent cavalry units that is if you manage to take them out

[Heraclius]

an all Greek thread Now we just need rasoforos to complete it. how many of us Hellenes are there in the forum anyway? Me, komninos, efstratios, rasoforos and Rosacrux. Anyone else?

[Elwe]

Just had to post to break the 'all Greek thread' aspect.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Good luck with your Mod, Komninos

Cheers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[rasoforos]

hmmm i cant say i can help you but i am greek so i felt like i had to post something http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[komninos]

Quote[/b] (Elwe @ Mar. 28 2003,01:26)]Just had to post to break the 'all Greek thread' aspect.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Good luck with your Mod, Komninos

Cheers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Well ... Elwe you are an Ozi http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif and form Melburn ... that makes you part of a large Hellinic colony http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif ... so still a Hellinic thread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

For the rest ... Piaste doulia moding is the best ... I started when I was 20 ... thats ~11 years ago http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Apparently ... only Hellenes are I ntrested in the Persian Wars ... well it was are a bit personal (Us and the Persians)

[Rosacrux]

LOL Good grief, this is a Greek thread...

Komninos, ki esi tis palias frouras? I am even older (34 full years http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif ) but I am modding only 8 of those (my first modifications were for Civ2). I never got graphics savy though (even when I married to a graphic designer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) but I can help with

- Unit list, characteristics, names, stats, progression, descriptions.
- Names and descriptions generally
- Playtesting.

My time is severely limited (having a very demanding job and a spouse) but I'll do my best, because I am extremely interested into this project.

Some people have made some very decent units (some in the Lord's pack, some for the Praetorian MOD) we can use (after altering them a bit). The only tough cookie is to actually find a guy to put the finishing touches to the units (an artsy guy) and create the new map. The latter (the map, not the guy) is really a bitch.

So, synellines, gather and let's work to bring the world a decent Ancient Greece vs Persia MOD http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[komninos]

OK...

you and I ... are not the best graphics designers ... will your wife kill you if ... yes she will ... forget it

Any way nearly 60% of the V.0.1 is ready.

Factions in are:
Hellenic Leage (parcticaly all who oposed Persia) so yuo get the Lacedemonians.
Thracian Kindom
Siracuses
Etruscans
Romans
Gauls
Iberians
Picts (English Celts)
Ulster (Irish Celts)
Germanic tribes
Vikings
Baltic (Barbarian) Sea people

Still to get

Skythans
Northern Peopole
Armenians
Persians (they crush the game every time)
Carthegians

[Rosacrux]

Sure she will, believe me. If you meet her, you'll understand... anyway, some initial observations:

If we are going to create an actual map for this, looks like we could keep things in the mid and eastern mediteranea. I am thinking of a map that included Italy, the Balkans and Asia Minor, as well as northern Africa.

Of course, that would be an extremely difficult task and looks like we won't find a guy that is going to do all that hard work for us http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

So, if we stick with the map of the game, I'd too like to keep your list, even though some of the factions you are working on are completely out of the respective timeframe. Vikings for instance.

Carthago and Skythes are a must, of course.

Later on, when I get some time off work, I might be able to give my thougts on the initial build-up and perhaps a unit list for 3-4 of the factions in hand.

[komninos]

…. You are right but what I had in mind was a broader view.
The map I would like to have should span the whole of Europe and as deep as Iran and the Caspian but then again …
The best I would do with them bam is re built some provinces … so france would have less ~6 then move these to the split Hungary in two (lower Danube and upper Danube which would require a landing battle to cross from one side to the other), split Greece in three (Peloponnesian, Athenian and Macedon/Northern Greeks), split Naples and Nicea in two.

As for the Vikings … if I named them North Germanic tribes would that be OK … any way it would be very difficult to built the upgrades in order to move to higher units in the final (V.1.0). I am planning to have Early – Persian / Peloponesian wars, High – Post Peloponesian / Hellenistic era, High – The Romans and Game end ~ Imperial Rome that’s ~500 years of war.

As I have it Celts and Germans are a pest. They can threaten you if you get too week or careless. In a test game there was almost instant conflict between Gauls, Germans, Iberians. Etruscans were at war with Syracusians. Romans with Guals but later in the game. The Thracians could not move much due to the Germanics. Hellenes were able to move due to the absence of Persians but when they will come its going to be a mess.

[komninos]

Hi all,

It been two weeks in the mod and many things have been done
The Hellenic, Romans, Siracusians, Thracians, Etruscans, Gauls, Picts, Irish, Germanic tribes, Vikings (Scandinavian), Baltic Region tribes, Skythans units are almost OK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
I need to do some work on the Iberians steel.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Now the Persians are the mostly OK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif BUT for some reason when ever I put a Muslim faction on the map with Muslim units the game crashes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif I just can't fined the reason wy it does that but some times it pops a message about a unit being plase in a reagion owned by a faction with a different caltural background??????
If I delete all the units and leave only the king the game continues to behave in the same way. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
I just can't fined the why any one Heeeeeelp

[Lord Of Storms]

Kominos, an Emissary or Princess will count as a unit also look on the province in question, if you left any agents on them that conflict in religion and culture you will get this message ,Remove the agents and that should solve the problem. I have come across this problem while working on the Nap. Mod and that solved it for me

[komninos]

Hi,

I will try but if that is the problem I will eat my hat ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif .
Any way if that is the problem how do you put an Emissary or a Princess for the Pagan and the Muslim factions?????

[Lord Of Storms]

I am not sure myself ,but after you clear the agents from the conflicting culture and have established it as Muslim try replacing the agents and see if that does anything? Or maybe you will only be able to get the agents by teching up Royal Palace=Emissary, again this is speculation, all I know is I had the very same error and when I removed the agents the error no longer showed up. Go figure such is the way of Modding...

[komninos]

The problem was that the princes can't be Muslim. I copied the porters of the Orthodox and all is well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

AT LAST the Ahenamids are in and I had my first battle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
800 Hoplites, 90 Archers VS 7500+ with Immortals and all.
They won http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif at the and after binging some 1000 archers and horse archers but cost them 2200 men. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

On to the Carthigians, and the rest to have the V.1.0
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] (komninos @ April 07 2003,12:26)]The problem was that the princes can't be Muslim. I copied the porters of the Orthodox and all is well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
By that I take it to mean the Princess, so I am glad I could be of help...

[komninos]

Still a lot of work to do but it is ready for initial testing. There is space for two more position of fractions that I can use. What would you like to see?
Till now there are the following:

FN_ALMOHAD //Carthigians
FN_BYZANTINE //Hellenic Leage
FN_EGYPTIAN //Persians
FN_ENGLISH //Roman
FN_FRENCH //Gaul
FN_GERMAN_HRE //Germanic tribes
FN_ITALIAN //Etruscans
FN_POLISH //Baltic People
FN_SPANISH //Iberian
FN_TURKISH //Armenians
FN_DANISH //Norsk
FN_HUNGARIAN //Bretons
FN_NOVGOROD //Alans
FN_PAPIST //Germanic tribes
FN_SICILIAN //Syracusian
FN_ARAGONESE //Irish “as Ulster” – don’t know if it is OK
FN_RUSSIAN //Thracian
FN_GOLDEN_HORDE //Skythans

I can still put the FN_BURGUNDIAN and FN_SWISS.
I can make one more Celtic and Germanic tribe for them since the Guals and Germans have huge territories and can get a lot of power. One other thought is to make the FN_BURGUNDIAN as Illyrians and the Swiss a Celtic faction in the East or to name the Germans as Visigoths and Swiss as Ostrogoths.

Any thoughts???

P.S. Still looking for some help with the map … anyone?