Patrician Available [Archive] - Page 3

flip

02-26-2003, 02:11

Quote[/b] ]Nice work flip and a lot of it

If you could spread the screenshots a bit though
it would be, nice as it takes 3 minuets to load
page 20 on a 56k modem and you got that page half way through

Ok LK, I'll try also to compress a bit more the images. Thanks for the advise.

Quote[/b] ]Patricians Citizens of Rome
Pick up the first installment of Roman buildings here:
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/

This will be the first of some future unit icons for patrician. By far, hands down the best building icons and functional as well as adding estetics to an already cool mod. Get them And let me know how you like them.

Test them. Great All fine here. We gonna have a lovely 1.3 version. Any dates for the release? Just to know if I must hurry my units. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

flip

King David

02-26-2003, 04:43

Quote[/b] (flip @ Feb. 25 2003,19:11)]Test them. Great All fine here. We gonna have a lovely 1.3 version. Any dates for the release? Just to know if I must hurry my units. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

flip
Take your time flip. The icons and buildings will be addons even before v1.3 comes out. Dont rush your project because i know how it is when you got the creative spirit going. I just enjoy creating units and building icons. Think you will like the ships and units coming up.

Herodotus

02-26-2003, 14:05

I am wondering what I need to know to get this mod working. I have downloaded the file and winzip will not decompress it, (tells me to re-download it which i did and it made no difference) so do i need something else to decompress it? And where can I download the latest file?

By the way i think this mod looks great, hopefully the book will be as good as its cover.

King David

02-26-2003, 18:32

Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Feb. 26 2003,07:05)]I am wondering what I need to know to get this mod working. I have downloaded the file and winzip will not decompress it, (tells me to re-download it which i did and it made no difference) so do i need something else to decompress it? And where can I download the latest file?

By the way i think this mod looks great, hopefully the book will be as good as its cover.
Does anyone else have this problem? Were did you download the file from? (Two Hours later) I downloaded the patrician mod file from the fileplanet. Unziped it to my desktop and installed with no problems..

Díaz de Vivar

02-27-2003, 00:12

Quote[/b] (King David @ Feb. 25 2003,23:30)]Patricians Citizens of Rome
Pick up the first installment of Roman buildings here:
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/

This will be the first of some future unit icons for patrician. By far, hands down the best building icons and functional as well as adding estetics to an already cool mod. Get them And let me know how you like them.
Hey, KD, nice icons http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif really good.

King David

02-27-2003, 00:42

Patricians Citizens of Rome
Pick up your new Agents for Patrician here:
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/
These look realy good. If anyone knows how to convert images to game pieces let me know so we can replace some of the game pieces with our own.

Herodotus

02-27-2003, 05:35

I downloaded it from the Org downloads section, I am now downloading it from fileplanet so hopefully i don't have the same problem.

King David

02-27-2003, 17:49

Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Feb. 26 2003,22:35)]I downloaded it from the Org downloads section, I am now downloading it from fileplanet so hopefully i don't have the same problem.
Good, You will not have a problem with the fileplanet version. Thank you.

I_Love_Sherri

02-28-2003, 00:09

Great work on the Mac Civ guys...... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

I_Love_Sherri

02-28-2003, 00:13

Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Feb. 24 2003,10:45)]
Quote[/b] (King David @ Feb. 23 2003,23:28)]
Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Feb. 23 2003,12:36)]Great work, flip These hoplites look " http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ".
How are you coming along with the maps ?
Slowly, King David. For 2 reasons,

1. Now i´m playing the Multiplayer Praetorians demo in Gamespy, the game is fantastic.

And 2, the main reason. I´m waiting for a spanish guy. This guy is going to help with the Tribes out of the Roman Empire but he disappears 3 days ago and i know nothing about him. The Roman provinces are finished but the other ones are without names...for the moment.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Boo.....if you say your going to do something finish it.

Herodotus

03-01-2003, 05:44

Well I've been playing for the Patrician for a while now and although I must say it is very impressive I have some qualms about the Roman units.

It would be more accurate to be only able to build velites initially, then the hastati should become available followed by the principes and then the triarii.

The velites should require a spearmaker, the hastati and principes a spearmaker and swordsmith, and the triarii should also have need a spearmaker and swordwmith (perhaps armourer too?)but they have no throwing spears and carry a hasta (pike) instead (armed more like a hoplite).

The velites were only young men being blooded in the ways of war, they are lightly armed and armoured and should not be efficient at melee fighting yet.

Only later should Marius' Legions come into being.

Also I was thinking that perhaps you should make Gaulish and German units really big so that they have less tactical control. Just a suggestion.

Anyway, brilliant job King David

King David

03-01-2003, 19:55

Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Feb. 28 2003,22:44)]Well I've been playing for the Patrician for a while now and although I must say it is very impressive I have some qualms about the Roman units.

It would be more accurate to be only able to build velites initially, then the hastati should become available followed by the principes and then the triarii.

The velites should require a spearmaker, the hastati and principes a spearmaker and swordsmith, and the triarii should also have need a spearmaker and swordwmith (perhaps armourer too?)but they have no throwing spears and carry a hasta (pike) instead (armed more like a hoplite).

The velites were only young men being blooded in the ways of war, they are lightly armed and armoured and should not be efficient at melee fighting yet.

Only later should Marius' Legions come into being.

Also I was thinking that perhaps you should make Gaulish and German units really big so that they have less tactical control. Just a suggestion.

Anyway, brilliant job King David
I agree. I like that concept. I welcome you to make those changes and submit them to us here so we can try it and perhaps add them to the next version of the mod.

King David

03-01-2003, 19:56

Quote[/b] (I_Love_Sherri @ Feb. 27 2003,17:13)]
Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Feb. 24 2003,10:45)]
Quote[/b] (King David @ Feb. 23 2003,23:28)]
Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Feb. 23 2003,12:36)]Great work, flip These hoplites look " http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ".
How are you coming along with the maps ?
Slowly, King David. For 2 reasons,

1. Now i´m playing the Multiplayer Praetorians demo in Gamespy, the game is fantastic.

And 2, the main reason. I´m waiting for a spanish guy. This guy is going to help with the Tribes out of the Roman Empire but he disappears 3 days ago and i know nothing about him. The Roman provinces are finished but the other ones are without names...for the moment.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Boo.....if you say your going to do something finish it.
Multiplayer games can be addictive..

Herodotus

03-02-2003, 06:33

Yeah sure I'll give it a go. I'm going to be very busy soon (first day of University tommorow) so I'll see what I can do today.

Herodotus

03-02-2003, 06:47

I think I'm going to need a bit of a hand here. In Crusaders_unit_prod the names of the units have not been changed (still medieval), could someone tell me what the names for the corresponding units are? hastatii (billmen?), velites (spearmen?), principes? triarii?

Díaz de Vivar

03-02-2003, 12:37

Quote[/b] (King David @ Mar. 01 2003,19:56)]
Quote[/b] (I_Love_Sherri @ Feb. 27 2003,17:13)]
Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Feb. 24 2003,10:45)]
Quote[/b] (King David @ Feb. 23 2003,23:28)]
Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Feb. 23 2003,12:36)]Great work, flip These hoplites look " http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ".
How are you coming along with the maps ?
Slowly, King David. For 2 reasons,

1. Now i´m playing the Multiplayer Praetorians demo in Gamespy, the game is fantastic.

And 2, the main reason. I´m waiting for a spanish guy. This guy is going to help with the Tribes out of the Roman Empire but he disappears 3 days ago and i know nothing about him. The Roman provinces are finished but the other ones are without names...for the moment.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Boo.....if you say your going to do something finish it.
Multiplayer games can be addictive..
He, he, the spanish guy appeared and i´ll continued with the map. But there were two problems, 1. He found Germany Maps but not northeast Europe Map.
And 2. I´ve inserted some graphic but the game crashes. For the moment only i´ll change the province names.

NagatsukaShumi

03-02-2003, 14:51

King David i must congratluate you on the sucess of your MOd, it is an inspiration to us all

I_Love_Sherri

03-02-2003, 14:57

Quote[/b] (Díaz de Vivar @ Mar. 02 2003,05:37)]He, he, the spanish guy appeared and i´ll continued with the map. But there were two problems, 1. He found Germany Maps but not northeast Europe Map.
And 2. I´ve inserted some graphic but the game crashes. For the moment only i´ll change the province names.
Yaaaaaaa.....kisses to all

King David

03-02-2003, 22:03

Patricians Citizens of Rome

Patrician The Birth of Rome is not just about battles and conquest. Patrician is about Art, Creativity and learning to mod a great game. I will be uploading a set of icons that will blow your minds very soon for testing. I have always wanted to learn how to change those dreary dark and gray MTW icons to more colorful and artistic ones and after some help from my friends here at the org, I believe i have found a way to do it. I am not very good at explaining the technical aspects of moding so pleassss be patient and learn by doing and researching (Reading the Posts here at the org) trial and error. Those of you who are contributing to the Patrician mod, keep up the good work and by god, test your creations before submiting them. The Icons I will upload have been tested by me but I ask you guys to beta test them on your mods and let me know how it pans out.
Thank you all for your help and your interest in Patrician.

Don't be a barbarian. Play Patrician

Herodotus

03-04-2003, 04:22

Could someone pull their thumb out and tell me which unit is which to begin with. eg. Is the velite a murabitin? are the hastatii billmen? are the triarii chivalraic seargents and what are the principes? I'm not going to figure it out by spending hour after hour 'trial and error' style. The changes I want to make are quite simple, and all i need to know is the original names of the units. Thank You.

Henry V

03-04-2003, 04:41

-herodotus
the corresponding units can be found in the names txt file LOC folder. scroll down to where unit names are and you will find what units are changed to in patrician.

Baron von Beer

03-04-2003, 07:02

If anyone is interested, I got all the unit info, and made 3 catalog .txt files. One is which Game unit is what Patrician Unit. IE. Negro Spearmen is Legion, Longbowman is Sagitarii, etc. Then, I have 2 others. One is the list of what unit uses what Bif file, the other what units are in which Bif file folder. (same data on each, but organised differently for simplicty.. if trying to swap folders, you can see in one look what inits are in it, or if want to change a graphic, can see what bif a particular unit uses.

These lists do not have siege equipment on them, as all crewman are peasants by default.

If anyone wants em, lemme know, and I can send em out.
(The listings are all in the names file (for names) and unit prod file for the .BIF. I just pulled em out to so I didn't have to dig each time I needed to look one up.

Herodotus

03-04-2003, 07:06

thanks but i just figured that out for myself. Thanks again though, noone responded the first time.

Herodotus

03-04-2003, 07:22

Well I've been working on the build list etc. and i am now looking for some feedback. So, what do you think of the following?

Name - Buildings required - turns to build - originally

velites - spearmaker - 1 - feudal seargents

hastatii - spearmaker2, swordsmith, armourer - 2 - orderfootsoldiers

principes - spearmaker2, swordsmith2, armourer2 - 2 - feudal men at arms

triarii - spearmaker3, armourer3 - 2 - billmen

Marius' Legions - spearmaker3, swordsmith3, armourer3 - 1 - Negro Spearmen

Swoosh So

03-04-2003, 17:40

I tried partrician v1.1 but it gave me the error message about unit not of that religeon in province error, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif , i guess ill get the next version next time im at the net cafe.

I did get it to work but had to remove all the units from all the provinces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

King David

03-04-2003, 21:54

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Mar. 04 2003,10:40)]I tried partrician v1.1 but it gave me the error message about unit not of that religeon in province error, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif , i guess ill get the next version next time im at the net cafe.

I did get it to work but had to remove all the units from all the provinces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
That just means that the Patrician (Early) campaign does not match your unitprod11 file. I suggest you try PatV1.2.

King David

03-04-2003, 21:56

How do you put screenshots here?

King David

03-04-2003, 23:05

http://www.howarddavidjohnson.com/The_Romans.jpg
Patricians Citizens of Rome
Pickup Some New Icons for your Patrician mod here:
Test_KD_PATICONS_2 04 Mar 2003
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/
Don't Be a Barbarian. Play Patrician

King David

03-04-2003, 23:14

Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Mar. 04 2003,00:22)]Well I've been working on the build list etc. and i am now looking for some feedback. So, what do you think of the following?

Name - Buildings required - turns to build - originally

velites - spearmaker - 1 - feudal seargents

hastatii - spearmaker2, swordsmith, armourer - 2 - orderfootsoldiers

principes - spearmaker2, swordsmith2, armourer2 - 2 - feudal men at arms

triarii - spearmaker3, armourer3 - 2 - billmen

Marius' Legions - spearmaker3, swordsmith3, armourer3 - 1 - Negro Spearmen
Marius Legions should take 5 years (Turns) to train

I_Love_Sherri

03-05-2003, 02:16

Love that picture http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Herodotus

03-05-2003, 08:15

5 years, are you sure? would 3years do instead? Please justify. Also, If I go with 5 years, perhaps I should also change principes to 3 and triarii to 4.

Herodotus

03-05-2003, 08:16

Also King David, I would like to know if the latest link you have posted contains all icons etc. or do I need to go through this thread adding them one by one?

Shay

03-05-2003, 13:10

At 5 years to train, id hope your going to boost thier stats to make them worth the wait. what about four, five is huge i take half a game to get enough boats to flood the med and they take like three years http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif but then again i could change the troops to 3 years if that suited me. not being nasty but that is a long wait.
but by doing so your putting those other units back into circulation..

King David

03-05-2003, 17:20

Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Mar. 05 2003,01:16)]Also King David, I would like to know if the latest link you have posted contains all icons etc. or do I need to go through this thread adding them one by one?
Generaly, it took 5 years (Sparticus Movie with Kirk Douglas. Roman Senator quoted this) to train the professional soldier but I guess in the game we can crank it down to 3 or 4.

King David

03-05-2003, 17:22

Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Mar. 05 2003,01:16)]Also King David, I would like to know if the latest link you have posted contains all icons etc. or do I need to go through this thread adding them one by one?
It contains plenty of icons. buildings, units and ships.
I will be adding more soon. In the next batch I will upload Barbarian unit icons then Romans and maybe more buildings.

Wellington

03-05-2003, 17:26

Quote[/b] (King David @ Mar. 05 2003,10:20)]
Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Mar. 05 2003,01:16)]Also King David, I would like to know if the latest link you have posted contains all icons etc. or do I need to go through this thread adding them one by one?
Generaly, it took 5 years to train the professional soldier but I guess in the game we can crank it down to 3 or 4.
Immediately prior to Cannae (after the disasters at The Trebia and Lake Trasimene) the senate felt a 6 to 12 month training period was sufficient, for new recruits, before engaging Hannibal.

Hhhmm ... and we all know what happened at Cannae

King David

03-05-2003, 17:30

Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Mar. 05 2003,10:26)]
Quote[/b] (King David @ Mar. 05 2003,10:20)]
Quote[/b] (Herodotus @ Mar. 05 2003,01:16)]Also King David, I would like to know if the latest link you have posted contains all icons etc. or do I need to go through this thread adding them one by one?
Generaly, it took 5 years to train the professional soldier but I guess in the game we can crank it down to 3 or 4.
Immediately prior to Cannae (after the disasters at The Trebia and Lake Trasimene) the senate felt a 6 to 12 month training period was sufficient, for new recruits, before engaging Hannibal.

Hhhmm ... and we all know what happened at Cannae
I got the 5 year figure from the Sparticus movie. We can make it less than that since the Roman legion unit realy does not have the stats to justify the long wait. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Herodotus

03-06-2003, 07:42

Where can I change unit stats such as defence, offence and melee? I thought they were in crusaders_unit_prod11 but they are not. I am sure I have messed around with these stats before but i cannot find them now.

Baron von Beer

03-06-2003, 17:46

Melee, defence, armour, etc, are in the unit_prod files. If using Gnome editor; Charge Bonus, Melee, Defence Armour, Honor, Ammo are in columns 37-41. Shield modifier, and type melee with shield, and vs. Cavalry bonuses are at columns 59-64

Herodotus

03-07-2003, 13:16

Where can I get this Gnome editor? I've just been using notepad.

AlanH_30

03-07-2003, 13:27

The screenshots on this thread look great - are the modified units available for download? - if so where can I get them from

flip

03-07-2003, 15:44

Quote[/b] ]The screenshots on this thread look great - are the modified units available for download? - if so where can I get them from

Alan, a lot of work here with a group of important units for Patrician 1.2. I'm testing some that are close to finished, but there are details that I'm tunning. just to give you all good material. Just 2 or 3 more weeks to finished.

flip

Baron von Beer

03-07-2003, 18:33

Herodotus
You can download the editor from this site. Go to Medieval downloads sections, then the tools/utilities, and it is listed as UnitBuildProj_Editorv2.0 and made by Gnome. It will make your editing much easier http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

King David

03-07-2003, 23:11

One of our fellow patricians from the roman total war forums has contributed some tools for modifying the buildprod - unit prod- and campaign files here:
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/
buildingtool.zip 05-Mar-2003 08:16 372k
campaintool.zip 05-Mar-2003 08:14 834k
unit-tool.zip 05-Mar-2003 08:15 530k

Herodotus

03-08-2003, 03:31

Cool, I'll check them out. One more question: I have tried to swap the triarii with the hastatii (billmen as triarii not hastatii), but it will not work. I changed the name in the descriptions file but i guess something else also needs to be changed. So what needs to be done to swap the names of two units?

Dramicus

03-10-2003, 05:51

AHH I dont believe it how could this have fallen soo low?

*BUMP*

Baron von Beer

03-10-2003, 06:36

Herodotus:
When you say you swapped names, do you mean the unit name (first column in the unit_prod file) or the BIF file name (48th data entry in unit prod file). If you change the name, you must change the name in the name.txt file as well. (and obvious swap all the stats throughout the file)

To change the animation, you must change the BIF used in column 48 (columns in Gnome editor... should be 48th data entry either way) You must also change the following, in the root of Total War\Textures\men: Rename Billmen_w to OrderFootSoldiers_W, and OrderFootSoldiers_W to Billmen. Then in the ActionsPage folder (in the same root, textures\men) Do the same name swapping, for Orderfootsoldiers and billmen. Then, in the same root, in the folder named "Items", in the Weapon 1 folder, take copy and paste the contents of the order foot soldiers folder into the billmen folder (located in Items\weapon 2). (drop it into a secondary location first, as you must cut and paste the contents of the billmen folder to the order foot folder as well. If you paste it right in, it will overwrite them beforehand.) I'm sure since you've been modding, you know, back up beforehand as well. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif By just changing the animation, it doesn't change the weapon animation, positioning, etc. Also they use seperate attack animations from the same Bif.. The files you swap will make it all work out.

As an aside to David and crew with the mod, I am just finnishing up a new Romanesc Archer unit I made. I am about to load it up and see how it looks (3rd time doing it, first 2 had.... issues.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I am "making" a few other units too, for Patrician.. I decided to do 'em for myself, but will show you guys as well. If you would like to use them, you're more than welcome. (I wouldn't have made them without your mod to play with them&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif If not, no worries, as I set out doing them for myself anyways... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I'll post a screenshot tonight or tomorrow when I have them in the game.

Oh, forgot, you also (I think... I did, and it works, so I assume it is nescessary..) swap the unit's .txt file in the Textures\Men\Actionsdiddy page. Don't recall what this file calibrates... didn't change the settings afterall, just the animations..

Herodotus

03-12-2003, 01:02

Thanks, I'll try that when I have the time.

Baron von Beer

03-14-2003, 08:45

Got the archer pics I mentioned up now..

http://webpages.charter.net/pgrasham/Screenshots/Roman%20Archer%20TestFront1.jpg

Obvious influence on armor from the RTW screenshot.. looked much better than the plain "flat" black I had originally.

Dramicus

03-15-2003, 00:07

AHH

For f*&^4 sakes When are these units going to be added in http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

this is some really great work... Me thinks CA needs to watch out in the future...

King David

03-15-2003, 15:50

Quote[/b] (Baron von Beer @ Mar. 14 2003,01:45)]Got the archer pics I mentioned up now..

http://webpages.charter.net/pgrasham/Screenshots/Roman%20Archer%20TestFront1.jpg

Obvious influence on armor from the RTW screenshot.. looked much better than the plain "flat" black I had originally.
This is getting better all the time

I_Love_Sherri

03-17-2003, 03:49

Is there going to be other updates on this mode. I have 1.2 and cant figure out if new units are out/are going to be out? I fear this mod is dead? Hope that is wrong. Sherri

Herodotus

03-17-2003, 04:32

I have basically finished my tech tree mod, so what shall i do with it now? Should I send it to you David?

Herodotus

03-17-2003, 08:16

Why does the StartPos file stuff up when I change things in the Make Unit Section?

Herodotus

03-18-2003, 02:22

To be more specific I am pretty sure it stuffs up when I change the units in Rome and the Papal States.

Baron von Beer

03-20-2003, 00:17

Moderator/admin: I tried linking a few screenshots here from my webspace (same as I linked the others from, they worked) and was told that I could not link from dynamic pages in the IMG adress. What praytell does that mean? AFAIK, my webspace is not dynamic, as it is on my cable ISPs system. (I know MY connection is dynamic.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif )

(Disregard... apparently something foul was afoot at Charter.. it is working now. This has conspiracy written all over it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

Dramicus

03-20-2003, 01:24

Quote[/b] (I_Love_Sherri @ Mar. 16 2003,20:49)]Is there going to be other updates on this mode. I have 1.2 and cant figure out if new units are out/are going to be out? I fear this mod is dead? Hope that is wrong. Sherri
Dont worry, if you read back you will find that David has stated that he would be on a long vacation (I think, cant remember and am too lazy to check my self... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif )

He will be back in a month or so, nothing to worry about...

Baron von Beer

03-20-2003, 09:14

Hoplons, and Sarissas, and Spartans, Oh my http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://webpages.charter.net/pgrasham/Screenshots/Greek/Grk1.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/pgrasham/Screenshots/Greek/Grk2.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/pgrasham/Screenshots/Greek/Grk3.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/pgrasham/Screenshots/Greek/Grk4.jpg

Just got the finnishing touches to do on these guys. (Small touching up, and make the Sarissa a bit longer. Still seems a little short to me) I may add another shield for variety as well. There are also several helmets I can put on them (same without plume, and several open faced). I find the Spartan helmet to be intimidating, and just down right cool, so used it for now. There is also another "unit" version, but it's the same as the Bronze armoured one shown, minus the leather apron. (3 different "looks")

(In hindsight, when making these units, I didn't make that mental hurdle (read: Exorcise common sense) that the shield would cover up the torso, at least from the front. Thats why I have the shots without a shield. I could have dressed the torsos in clown costumes, and had the same end result. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

Rosacrux

03-20-2003, 11:37

Baron

Would you be so kind and send me over those wonderfull units? My e-mail is young_frankie@yahoo.com and I would really appreciate it.

They look awfully good

Hagbard la Suede

03-22-2003, 18:14

THIS MOD IS EXCELLENT

King David

03-22-2003, 19:41

Hello Patricians I have not abandoned you, I am in the process of moving and its allot of work. No time for games at this point but I will resume when I get settled. Keep up the good work to those who are creating those awsome units. These units being created should be offered as addons to the mod. Please do not change the heart of the mod, being the campaing file and the other vital files that make this mod great. I am realy impressed at the response to this mod and hope that more creative things can be done to add to it. Thank you all for your interest in Patrician.

Lord Of Storms

03-22-2003, 19:52

Baron Von Beer those units look awesome if you are posting them somewhere for download let us know if you are not and could mail them them please send them to me at ronin27k@aol.com Thanks...

Baron von Beer

03-22-2003, 20:20

Bah Sorry for not responding on here... They aren't quite ready yet. As Time permits, I am finnishing them up.. (Pesky Real Life has been operating on extended hours the last few day... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

(Strangely, since starting these, I have become addicted to working on them.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif At times, it is almost as much fun making the little guys as killing them IN the game. (some parts are quite tedious and make me want to pull my own arm off to beat over my head and make it all stop... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

One other thing for King David, if you could get in touch with me via e-mail, please do. pgrasham@charter.net
I have an idea I have been playing with, but would need your input to make it usable outside of my own installation. It will also make the decision of what to make next that much easier.
Same for others making units. If you could get in touch with me also, I can go over this possible plan with you, and get a game plan for how best to implement it. Several minds are always better than 1

I_Love_Sherri

03-23-2003, 21:59

Game crashes after a bunch of turns. Have lastest auto d/l. Hope you update soon. Only mod worth playing. Sherri

Hippolyte

03-24-2003, 17:15

First off I 'd like to say its great to play MTW again. King David you've certainly resurrected this game for me--and apparently others.

Your mod is very interesting and I'm impressed with all the different units I've seen posted on this thread. I have been playing Patrician mod 1.1 and have found very few problems. Someone mentioned how there are too many scribes and such, this is certainly true in my games as well. They flood the provinces and make positioning your stacks quite frustrating at times--but I suppose this is a minor problem. As far as the historical accuracy of the relative factions' power and influence. It should be noted that Rome came first to dominate the Italian peninsula THEN Sicily THEN Carthage THEN the north. Carthage is too dificult to get to initially in this mod, especially since the Roman navy is virtually impotent. I have found it much easier to absorb first the Germans and Gauls, THEN hit Carthage (I would also suggest another new unit for Carthage, the Nubian Light Cavalry--these were superb skirmishing cav alry that had a punch). Though I do love the Greek power at the end And I'm sincerely looking forward to implementing those superb looking Hoplites This I suppose is still relatively minor in the shceme of things. The mod, as I said, is very fun.

Now I have been playing Pat 1.1 because Pat 1.2 does not work for me. Yes, I unistall Pat 1.1 with the unistaller found at the ORG and do a competely new install of MTW afterwards with the 1.1 patch as well. (Incidently I have found that while the program mod Pat 1.1 is deleted the selection Patrician is still found on the selection screen--though the program is clearly the MTW version 1.1). Anyhow, after installing the Pat 1.2 found at FILE PLANET everything seems to run well (the game begins and all the option screens are working properly) but after I actually begin to load my specific game. It freezes during the initial load up screen. I select my faction and period (obviously "Patrician") and the loading bar freezes about 1/3 through and a prompt comes on the screen stating something to the effect that one of the units(S) was located in an inapropriate area (Something to that effect anyhow). I am not very familiar with the workings of programs and mods myself but I do get excited when I can change a name and have the game run. Additionally, I would never have posted this if i have not THOROUGHLY enjoyed playing the very rough PAT 1.1 mod. King David did a wonderful job on it and the idea itself is truly brilliant, so this is why I have asked these questions because I really want to play the latest version of the mod. Any suggestions and/or comments would be welcome and appreciated.

King David

03-25-2003, 00:37

I select my faction and period (obviously "Patrician") and the loading bar freezes about 1/3 through and a prompt comes on the screen stating something to the effect that one of the units(S) was located in an inapropriate area (Something to that effect anyhow).

I suggest you download Patrician 1.2 from the fileplanet. Do not install Pat v1.2 over Pat v1.1. It is suggested that Patrician V1.2 be installed over the original MTW Patched version 1.1 of the game. Also sugested that you make a copy of your entire game before installing the mod into it. The Patrician V1.2 from the fileplanet and Respawn are quite stable when installed properly. I discovered that when the game crashes with the message you indicated it is because the Patrician Campaign file in campap and the unitprod11 file of the root directory do not match do to the relationship of the two in this mod. The two files must match for the mod to work. In short it sounds like your patrician v1.1 is still being used by you with the patrician v1.2 unitprod11. file and that will crash your game. I suspect you intalled the mod over v1.1 then chose the patrician v1.1 file in the campaign field. Hope that sheds some light.

Now I have been playing Pat 1.1 because Pat 1.2 does not work for me. Yes, I unistall Pat 1.1 with the unistaller found at the ORG and do a competely new install of MTW afterwards with the 1.1 patch as well.

If you uninstall Patrician V1.1 do it by unitnsalling the whole game folder then copy your original game folder (From your Backup) In its place and install Patv1.2 over it. Note that some windows programs like windows ME do not unitstall files and folders even after you uninstall them by the uninstall selection so make sure to open up your windows explorer and delete the moded pat v1.1 folder by hand (Highlight and delete.) Then copy your Total War backup in its place before installing the patv1.2 mod.

Patrician V1.2 corrects many of those previous problems with the Agent overspawn and the Patrician faction in rome getting in your way. I highly suggest for all Patricians to upgrade to Patrician V1.2. I did extensive testing on it and tweeking until i was satisfyed that it was stable and playable. Most of these problems of crashes are due to user errors in installation. Again I stress that you backup (copy) your whole game folder as a backup so you dont have to reinstall the darn game everytime you wanna play on line or try out a new mod.

Hippolyte

03-25-2003, 03:31

King David:

I appreciate the quick response. It appears as though this was the problem:

[Note that some windows programs like windows ME do not unitstall files and folders even after you uninstall them by the uninstall selection]

After manually deleting the folders within "programs" and reinstalling MTW, 1.1 patch and mod 1.2, it ran like a charm http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

The new units are very attractive as well as the icons and images (no swamping scribes either&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. If you are planning another version of this mod (1.3) and you should like some suggestions for additional historically representative units that would enrich an already superb mod, let me know (that is if you don't already have enough on your "to do" list-- http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif ). The Roman units in particular seem very nearly complete but there is certainly room for expansion for the other factions (for instance, I could give you impressions of particular units and their relative strengths, weaknesses, and availabilities).