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[Edited out personal attack - GH]
Easy now. No need for personal attacks.
Day3 2
Chief of Police Andres stormed out his office.
"No! NO! Not again! Not a bloody tie! Not again! No, no, no!"
dcmort93 a shy townie somewhere in the back murmured.
Chief of police Andres smiled. "Good. Now I don't need to go look for my die. I hate looking for stuff. Djeez, last I was looking for my glasses. I looked everywhere: on the bed, under the bed, the sofa, the drawer, the bathroom, the toilet, and then I looked in the mirror and gues what! I was already wearing my glasses. Hahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
Andres looked at the befuddled people of Gameroomville.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The townies kept silent.
"WHAT? THIS IS FUNNY! DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR???"
Andres went back into his office and came back with a rocket launcher which he pointed at the inhabitants of Gameroomville.
"LAUGH OR I'LL SHOOT!"
Spontaneous laughter followed swiftly; several people of Gameroomville fell on the floor and rolled, laughing.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
After an hour or so, the bored looking Andres fired a rocket into a nearby house.
"Ok, that's enough. Who's the lynch of the day?"
dcmort93 was being pushed forward.
Andres pulled his gun and pointed it at dcmort93's head.
"This is for dcmort1." BANG!
"This is for dcmort2." BANG!
"This is for dcmort3." BANG!
"This is for dcmort4." BANG!
"This is for dcmort5." BANG!
"This is for dcmort6." BANG!
"This is for dcmort7." BANG!
...
"This is for dcmort92." BANG!
By the time the lynching was over, it was midnight.
"Ok, people, good night."
The inhabitants left the town square, some of them, especially Beefy187, wondering if maybe it would be better to get killed by the mafia than by their crazy Chief of Police.
***
Tally
dcmort93: 5 (Secura, Classical Hero, Zack, GH, JHT) :skull:
Nictel: 4 (Greyblades, Skooma Addict, B Ray, Renata)
Methos: 2 (BK, Believer)
B Ray: 2 (Methos, Kage)
Renata: 1 (robbiecon)
Beefy187: 1 (Winston Hughes)
Believer: 1 (dcmort93)
Chaotix: 1 (Subotan)
Kagemusha: 1 (Chaotix)
Abstain: 0
Not voting: 7 (God Emperor, Seon, Scienter, Nictel, Saregona, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder)
***
Alive (24)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Renata
GeneralHankerchief
Captain Blackadder
Beefy187
Saregona
Zack
B Ray
Believer
classical hero
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Secura
Seon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (4)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
Lynched (2)
Jolt
dcmort93
WoG (0)
***
It's now night. Night will last for +/- 24 hours. PM's please.
dcmort93
04-11-2011, 21:41
Way to last minute vote me while I'm AFK SECURA. I also just LOVE how virtually no one bothered to present a valid case against me especially those last few band-wagoners in there.
I must say very creative on the writeup Andres, if I could rep I would.
That's what you get for killing me!
dcmort93
04-11-2011, 21:48
I didn't kill you. You want your killer, look at secura. You want mafia, look at secura
Wasn't there a stack of votes on B_ray?
dcmort93
04-11-2011, 22:27
Indeed what happened to those votes...
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!!
ByzantineKnight
04-11-2011, 22:32
Indeed what happened to those votes...
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!!
The next morning the crazy Chief of Police realizes his mistake and orders Secura to pick the bullets out of your head one-by-one and then take you to the doctor. B_Ray is found in the wreckage of the house that Andres so conveniently hit with the rocket launcher the previous evening.
Way to last minute vote me while I'm AFK SECURA. I also just LOVE how virtually no one bothered to present a valid case against me especially those last few band-wagoners in there.
Oh please, you're finger-pointing because I happened to cast the decisive vote against you, without considering any other factors that essentially absolve me of culpability; if you must know, the reasons for my vote are here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131620-The-Mafia-s-comeback-In-Game&p=2053292803&viewfull=1#post2053292803), here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131620-The-Mafia-s-comeback-In-Game&p=2053292821&viewfull=1#post2053292821) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131620-The-Mafia-s-comeback-In-Game&p=2053293019&viewfull=1#post2053293019).
You had a fixation on Believer for no apparant reason, and thus you got my vote... sure, I didn't elaborate, but when I've got more important things to do and my opinion is always overlooked or likely to get me killed in games of this size, particularly at this stage... well, I thought "why bother?"
dcmort93
04-11-2011, 23:41
So you're case on me is absolutely NOTHING then. Suspicious? I think so
So you're case on me is absolutely NOTHING then. Suspicious? I think so
Just because someone votes for you doesn't mean they are suspicious. Essentially, you are OMGUSing from the grave.
So you're case on me is absolutely NOTHING then. Suspicious? I think so
Do you realise how hypocritical this is?
You claim that my 'case' against you was suspicious because it was, in your opinion baseless, and yet you levied a baseless case against Believer yourself and then caused an uproar when you were lynched for it!
I'm off to bed now as I have a job interview in the morning (that I've been preparing for all night, first one in four months of unemployment!) but I hope you listen to some reason rather than giving the mafia targets to hide behind with your scattergun accusations.
Not sure why the votes for me weren't listed, but there were only two or three. Methos and Kagemusha definitely voted for me, but I'm not sure whether or not Nictel meant to. He did put my name in bold, but didn't precede it with "vote:". Either way, both dcmort93 and Nictel had more votes than me. Clearly, Andres has my back, though. :2thumbsup:
God Emperor
04-12-2011, 01:03
Personally I think it is a fine reason that Secura had (because I had been thinking the exact same thing, I just forgot to vote:( ).
anyway the real point of this post is just to give a helping hand to the people who spend time analyzing votes; I would have voted Dcmort if I had remembered
Who am i?
04-12-2011, 07:35
Personally I think it is a fine reason that Secura had (because I had been thinking the exact same thing, I just forgot to vote:( ).
anyway the real point of this post is just to give a helping hand to the people who spend time analyzing votes; I would have voted Dcmort if I had remembered
Hello
Scum.
Night 3
Wi Fun Lang was watching televion while eating a plate of penne all'arrabiata.
He switched over to the local news of Gameroomville and was confronted with the distasteful image of a naked body sitting on his hands and knees, with a carrot in his mouth and in his behind, on the grave of the recently executed dcmort93.
He shook his head in disbelief and felt worried about how these events in Gameroomville would affect his outstanding restaurant "Antonio".
The commenting voice made Mister Wi Fu Lang feel even worse.
"The victim of the mafioso was found dead in "Antonio", the famous Italian restaurant. This is the second time police officers found a dead body over there, it seems like going out to eat at the best Italian in town is becoming a very risky undertaking. The victim was strangled from behind with a garotte while eating Antonio's famous spaghetti bolognaise. GeneralHankerchiefs' family may find comfort in the knowledge that his last meal at least was an excellent one."
***
Secura was running in the park. She stopped at a tree, grabbed a branch and did 20 chin-ups. After that, she continued running. After another 10 minutes of running, she stopped to do 50 push-ups and then she jumped up and started running again.
She would be fit for tomorrow! "Mens sana in corpore sano," she thought to herself. As a bonus, she would grow stronger. If those mafiosi thought a woman would be an easy victim, then she would show them that they were wrong.
Little did she know that while she was running rounds around the park, a mafioso was sitting on a bench, watching her calmly. She didn't notice how the mafioso pointed a gun at her kneecap.
A well-aimed shot and she fell down, right on her nose. Screaming in agony, blood running from her nose, Secura frantically looked around for her attacker. The mafioso slowly came closer, aiming for her right arm. He shot again and Secura screamed again. The face of the mafioso was covered by shadows as he came standing next to her. Bravely, Secura tried to hit the scumbag, but to no avail. The mafioso calmly pointed the gun at her other kneecap and fired. Then he put a bullet into her other arm and another bullet ripped off her right ear. Almost deafened by this last shot, Secura screamed for help. The mafioso reached for her mobile phone and showed her how he called 911.
"A victim of a shooting in the park. Please hurry!" he said to the dispatcher.
10 minutes later sirens came closer. The mafioso grinned and pointed his gun at the crying Secura. The mafioso pulled the trigger and cruelly ended her life right before the ambulanciers reached her.
The mafioso quickly ran away.
Day 4
Chief of Police Andres was smiling.
"Did you see the images of GeneralHankerchief in that funny pose on that grave on the tele last night?"
Remembering the previous day, the townies all started to laugh loudly.
Chief of Police suddenly started shaking his head.
"Poor Secura. I told her so many times that exercising isn't good for your health. If only she would have listened to me, then she would now be in her bed with a hang-over, but no, she insisted on being the heatlhy type. Sports and healthy food. See where she ended."
He shrugged and went back inside, leaving the townies to do their job.
***
Alive (22)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Renata
Captain Blackadder
Beefy187
Saregona
Zack
B Ray
Believer
classical hero
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Seon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (6)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Lynched (2)
Jolt
dcmort93
WoG (0)
***
It's day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.
Believer
04-12-2011, 22:17
Vote: God Emperor
Killed (6)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/FvKCourtesy.gif
Yay, early-gamed yet again... now do you see the fallacy in your scattergun accusations, dcmort?
GeneralHankerchief
04-12-2011, 22:32
Kage has been skirting under the radar.
The fact that Chaotix is scurrying along the bottom like a crab on the ocean floor is concerning. Once again, I'll lodge a Vote:Chaotix and wait for an *actual* response this time.
Believer
04-12-2011, 22:47
https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/FvKCourtesy.gif
Yay, early-gamed yet again... now do you see the fallacy in your scattergun accusations, dcmort?
You're very graceful. Please stay and help us catch the bad guys? :')
dcmort93
04-12-2011, 22:53
The thing with scattergun accusations early in a huge game such as this is that eventually they catch scum, and with no reveal on death it's somewhat hard to tell if they already have
Not too difficult in this case, though.
God Emperor
04-12-2011, 23:29
At this point we should at least give reasons for our votes. Renata, you may have stated your reasons before, but would you mind do it again?
And Believer ? You too, if you please
Edit: Actually it would make a lot more sense that I just read back in the thread Renata (as I just did)
You're very graceful. Please stay and help us catch the bad guys? :')
I'm not very good at large games, I always get killed early and lose enthusiasm thereafter; I'll see what I can do, though.
God Emperor
04-12-2011, 23:49
I will have to concider the vote more careful, but atm there are four people I am interested in; Methos, ByzantineKnight and Subotan. (and Nictel, but that is because Renata is focused on him, and I can't deny that affects my judgement:p)
The reason why Subotan picks my interest is the following:
The fact that Chaotix is scurrying along the bottom like a crab on the ocean floor is concerning. Once again, I'll lodge a Vote:Chaotix and wait for an *actual* response this time.
There is just something wrong with this picture... Chaotix has two posts.. a sign up post and a random vote on Kagemusha.. What makes you so focused on a completly inactive person? Imo It's not a wonder that you are not being responded to as the person is not active.
Believer
04-12-2011, 23:56
At this point we should at least give reasons for our votes. Renata, you may have stated your reasons before, but would you mind do it again?
And Believer ? You too, if you please
Edit: Actually it would make a lot more sense that I just read back in the thread Renata (as I just did)
If you wish, m'lord.
Personally I think it is a fine reason that Secura had (because I had been thinking the exact same thing, I just forgot to vote:( ).
anyway the real point of this post is just to give a helping hand to the people who spend time analyzing votes; I would have voted Dcmort if I had remembered
Why are you defending her? Let her account for her own actions instead of letting her off the hook. Regardless if it's a silly accusation I'm sure Secura can fend off such an attack by herself.
Secondly, too much WIFOM.
God Emperor
04-13-2011, 00:03
Alright. That's a fine reason tbh.. As you are right it may come off as a defense, although that was not the intended goal. The goal was to let people know whom I would have voted for , therefore it seemed like a natural for me to use secura's argument, as what she had said was what I wanted to say . In other words it was used to reach my point which was that I would have voted Dcmort :)
As for the WIFOM.. I am not completly certain what you mean. But here , http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me
Believer
04-13-2011, 00:08
Alright. That's a fine reason tbh.. As you are right it may come off as a defense, although that was not the intended goal. The goal was to let people know whom I would have voted for , therefore it seemed like a natural for me to use secura's argument, as what she had said was what I wanted to say . In other words it was used to reach my point which was that I would have voted Dcmort :)
As for the WIFOM.. I am not completly certain what you mean. But here , http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me
Perhaps my interpretation of it is too literal. You pulled the "I forgot" line twice without adding any substance in between.
In any case I see no better candidate for the moment, my vote stays.
Regardless if it's a silly accusation I'm sure Secura can fend off such an attack by herself.
I believe that a little pressure on God Emperor isn't too bad; I voted for him on D1 because his posts felt a little off to me back then, though again I didn't really provide my reasons as I didn't want to attract too much attention from the mafia, as is usually my problem in large games. xD
I wouldn't like to see him die so soon, mind, as I know he's trying to get back some enthusiasm for mafia.
johnhughthom
04-13-2011, 00:10
Vote: Saregona
Unreasoned votes and votes for dead people.
God Emperor
04-13-2011, 00:16
Perhaps my interpretation of it is too literal. You pulled the "I forgot" line twice without adding any substance in between.
In any case I see no better candidate for the moment, my vote stays.
ah.. well I am not trying to alter your vote, I just love to understand things^^ Which also means I love being very clear, and that is why you see the same line twice.
I wouldn't like to see him die so soon, mind, as I know he's trying to get back some enthusiasm for mafia.
oh hehe don't mind that :) I intend to stay active even if I die, so that won't take away my enthusiasm.
Also secura, when you look at Methos posts, you will see that he is very interested in a small group of CFC'ers and yet votes for a none-CFC'er . That is enough for me to raise an eyebrow, but how do you regard such action ? (I would have asked at msn, but that would be against the rules I am afraid) : p
There is just something wrong with this picture... Chaotix has two posts.. a sign up post and a random vote on Kagemusha.. What makes you so focused on a completly inactive person? Imo It's not a wonder that you are not being responded to as the person is not active.
If he'd addressed my original dart-thrown-at-a-dartboard vote, then I likely would have moved on to another target, providing his answer didn't give a very obvious tell away. However, it's been a few days, Chaotix is generally quite active, and more importantly, he has posted in this thread since my second vote was cast upon him, and he completely blanked it. If he was a townie, considering that there was no way he was going to be lynched unless he massively failed, he probably would have responded to it. I just get this vibe that he's hoping very strongly that I'll just go away, and I'm not seeing anyone better to pursue so...
Beefy187
04-13-2011, 00:16
Methos would be my first choice at this point. Bunch on others as close second.
I am not sure what I'm seeing is a pattern or a pure coincidence so give me another round to post why.
Vote: Methos
I am not sure what I'm seeing is a pattern or a pure coincidence so give me another round to post why.
I'll hold you to that.
dcmort93
04-13-2011, 00:31
Hey csargo I think it's also pretty clear that I had nothing to do with killing you as there were still 2 kills last night and one of them was almost exactly like the manner in which you were killed
ASLO
There is just something wrong with this picture... Chaotix has two posts.. a sign up post and a random vote on Kagemusha.. What makes you so focused on a completly inactive person? Imo It's not a wonder that you are not being responded to as the person is not active.
Weren't people getting on my case because my votes were too random? I sense a little bit of hypocrisy here that rather irks me
Hey csargo I think it's also pretty clear that I had nothing to do with killing you as there were still 2 kills last night and one of them was almost exactly like the manner in which you were killed
Utterly meaningless.
Also secura, when you look at Methos posts, you will see that he is very interested in a small group of CFC'ers and yet votes for a none-CFC'er . That is enough for me to raise an eyebrow, but how do you regard such action ? (I would have asked at msn, but that would be against the rules I am afraid) : p
Personally, I think that he makes a good point, but it's rather difficult to follow through on such suspicion with a concrete vote when there's so many possibilities; he opted for classical_hero originally, but there's several players in this game that frequent CFC.
You can't cover them all with one vote, so it's worth hanging around, seeing how the player list thins out and then making your accusations when the potential pool of suspects has thinned; methinks this is what Methos has resigned himself to, for the time being.
Hey csargo I think it's also pretty clear that I had nothing to do with killing you as there were still 2 kills last night and one of them was almost exactly like the manner in which you were killed
This doesn't mean anything, it's entirely possible for the mafia to have two kills regardless of how many of them remain; given previous games that Andres has hosted, I think this is probably the case too.
God Emperor
04-13-2011, 00:47
@ Secura... hmm yes. I had a feeling you would come to that sort of conclusion.. I think you are right though.
Weren't people getting on my case because my votes were too random? I sense a little bit of hypocrisy here that rather irks me
*thinking thinking* .. . . no what? I don't see your point. I am saying that Chaotix has been too inactive that it seems unlikely that he is trying to stay under the radar (as he is posting in other games, it does kind of blow a hole in the 'stay under the radar thing') . But yes I suppose some people might have been voting for you because of your random votes? How is this related?
@ Subotan , I didn't notice that he had posted since your first accusation. Although, I think what I say above might be relevant regarding Chaotix ?
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 00:50
Maybe Chaotix is too busy hosting his own game?
dcmort93
04-13-2011, 00:55
@ GE
True but one of the things that I normally look for as a townie is someone who's actions are not consistent, esp. in voting. Where as I'm no exception to this, I still think it's somewhat suspect for someone to do this once then denounce someone for bringing it up and vote differently and site the aforementioned reason as why they are not voting that way
Who am i?
04-13-2011, 04:13
Vote: Saregona
Unreasoned votes and votes for dead people.
Hello
That is not true.
Vote: Johnhugetom
Hey csargo I think it's also pretty clear that I had nothing to do with killing you as there were still 2 kills last night and one of them was almost exactly like the manner in which you were killed
As has already been stated that means nothing.
dcmort93
04-13-2011, 04:31
Reasons Zack?
GeneralHankerchief
04-13-2011, 04:31
Can we get a couple of votes on Kage? He's been active in other parts of the forum.
dcmort93
04-13-2011, 04:33
Your point is? They aren't voting chaotix even though he is active virtually everywhere else
GeneralHankerchief
04-13-2011, 04:38
Right, but at least Chaotix is being discussed. Kage is just as inactive if not more and his inactivity hasn't even come up.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2011, 05:10
Hello
That is not true.
Vote: Johnhugetom
He is rather big.
Skooma Addict
04-13-2011, 07:22
Is anyone avoiding the discussion, seemingly deliberately? These vanilla games where there's no reveal on lynch make it easy for scums to just blend in with the driftwood and do nothing. It would be a wise strategy for the mafia to sit back and say nothing.
Does anyone meet that description?
Right, but at least Chaotix is being discussed. Kage is just as inactive if not more and his inactivity hasn't even come up.
Wanted to follow up on my hunch last phase, but this is worth exploring I think.
Vote: Kagemusha
Winston Hughes
04-13-2011, 10:34
vote: Zack
For posting an awful lot of not very much, and for being someone I can totally see choosing that particular set of kills.
Scienter
04-13-2011, 12:46
I won't be back from work until after the deadline so I need to vote now. I'll buy GH's reasoning re vote:Kagemusha . Its early in the game and I've got nothing.
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 13:26
vote: Zack
For posting an awful lot of not very much (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=7571990), and for being someone I can totally see choosing that particular set of kills.
Hrm, he has been giving me a wierd feeling, but not enough to get me to vote him.
Vote:Kagemusha
Vote: Subotan
It's true, I haven't been terribly active.
However, Subotan has been actively focusing on me, because I am an easy vote and haven't shown up to defend myself. I wanted to see how long he would carry it on, but I think I've got a big enough hunch now.
Subotan's basically taking the easy way out and trying to look like he's concerned for the town's survival when he's really just skating along.
Because that's just the why I play every game. Try to look as townie and unscummy as possible
Apropos of nothing -- dcmort, I completely believe this. But maybe you should re-think your strategy.
vote: Zack
For posting an awful lot of not very much (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=7571990), and for being someone I can totally see choosing that particular set of kills.
.... What is that even supposed to mean? What connection do I have to the following players?
Killed (6)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 14:28
Vote: Subotan
It's true, I haven't been terribly active.
However, Subotan has been actively focusing on me, because I am an easy vote and haven't shown up to defend myself. I wanted to see how long he would carry it on, but I think I've got a big enough hunch now.
Subotan's basically taking the easy way out and trying to look like he's concerned for the town's survival when he's really just skating along.
Vote: Chaotix. Why arent you voting me anymore? Have your gut feeling faded? Bit inconsistent. I think you are scum and thinking more about possible threats towards yourself rather then really finding any mafia as you already know perfectly well who they are.
Captain Blackadder
04-13-2011, 15:07
Vote: Kagemusha
GH reasoning seems sound for now.
God Emperor
04-13-2011, 15:10
@Saregona .. what do you think of the following?
Hello
Scum.
and the next post in the line
Hello
That is not true.
[B]Vote: Johnhugetom
you do not even wish to follow up on your previous post? You seem to completely abandon your idea and instead present an OMGUS vote - why is that?
Also Vote: Saregona for now
ByzantineKnight
04-13-2011, 15:18
Correct. I was never a moderator of OT (Off Topic), nor do I have a desire too. As I stated above, I wanted clarity from ATPG to make sure he had posted that information on other sites then just CFC. I only follow CFC, so I wouldn't notice if he did so here. If the answer is that ATPG only posted it at CFC, then I can get a better idea of who here frequents CFC OT. If ATPG states he's posted his financial complaints about tipping and his job elsewhere, then there's no need for me to do so.
I didn't realize that OT stood for Off Topic, I'm used to abbreviations being used to refer to mafia games. My apologies :bow:
I believe that at one point ATPG had a post regarding his job situation in the Gameroom here although it may have been moved since then. Let me know if you find anything. In the meantime I would like to Vote: Captain Blackadder Correct me if I am wrong but GH's reasoning was mainly that Kage was being quiet. Why would you use that reasoning to explain your vote on him right after his post?
classical_hero
04-13-2011, 15:27
He is rather big.
Thanks for the laughs. Why should we be voting for Kagemusha? If you are wrong, then we should be going after the guy who suggested it. vote:Kagemusha
ByzantineKnight
04-13-2011, 15:29
Thanks for the laughs. Why should we be voting for Kagemusha? If you are wrong, then we should be going after the guy who suggested it. vote:Kagemusha
The guy who suggested is GeneralHankerchief who is dead. We are voting Kagemusha because he hasn't been very active. Please don't contribute to huge bandwagons early on, they do nothing but make mafia feel safe.
EDIT: Not to say that we shouldn't lynch him, but there are already enough votes on him, lets not waste the day phase by only going after one person. Spread the love (and votes). The more people we get talking and afraid for their lives, the better chance one of them will slip up and give away his (or her) true alignment.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2011, 15:46
I like Subotan for death.
ByzantineKnight
04-13-2011, 15:46
I like Subotan for death.
Why?
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2011, 15:49
Why?
Kagemusha has been nailed before for keeping his head down. I feel his response, if mafia, would be to try a different tactic, perhaps a more confident and aggressive tactic.
Votes on Chaotix, at least some of which are because Chaotix isn't Kagemusha, and is behaving similarly.
No, I like Subotan because he's going after soft targets.
I don't like Subotan as mafia. His first post puts him in one of my blind spots -- he brought up your death as a reason for suspecting Chaotix. I don't think I've ever seen mafia who killed for the purpose of framing someone ever go after that someone directly on that basis. Have you?
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2011, 16:00
I don't like Subotan as mafia. His first post puts him in one of my blind spots -- he brought up your death as a reason for suspecting Chaotix. I don't think I've ever seen mafia who killed for the purpose of framing someone ever go after that someone directly on that basis. Have you?
Yes, especially if no one else makes such a connection. They have to help the process along, which means they're behind it.
Winston Hughes
04-13-2011, 16:08
What is that even supposed to mean?
You've made lots of posts, but don't look much like you're actually trying to catch scum.
What connection do I have to the following players?
The mafia have been killing off well established players here at the org, so confirming them innocent whilst removing their votes. That's both ballsy and ruthless, and, thus, a strategy I can imagine you adopting.
Yes, especially if no one else makes such a connection. They have to help the process along, which means they're behind it.
If you can find some examples I'd feel better about it. All I know for sure is I've never done such a thing myself.
Winston, could you go get those quotes of Zack you linked before? Link to search doesn't work. Even post numbers would be fine.
AtPG/DiY I'd characterize as ballsy and ruthless, yes. Csargo is just baffling. GH was being a good townie. Khaan's a more or less ordinary choice. Secura, possibly a sense of humor due to dcmort's accusations.
100% orgahs.
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 16:53
Yes, especially if no one else makes such a connection. They have to help the process along, which means they're behind it.
Thats good thinking. Unvote and Vote: Subotan. From my part i can say i am not mafia. GH like anyone in the staff should know i have quite few other things on my plate right now apart this game. Still my death is not important in any way and only part of normal process of elimination.
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 16:56
Also Renata to answer your question about killing in order to get people framed. I have done that several times as mafia.
Winston Hughes
04-13-2011, 17:09
Winston, could you go get those quotes of Zack you linked before? Link to search doesn't work. Even post numbers would be fine.
That's a lot of posts, and I don't have time right now. If you click on the number next to 'replies' for this thread on the main gameroom page, then the number of posts next to Zack's name, that'll give you the full list.
Zack, you were asked why you voted for Saregona and didn't answer. Please do so. (You did respond to Winston's accusation.)
On glancing through your posts I find you to be rather aggressive, but not necessarily in a townie sort of way. You poked Believer on the noob thing. You vote dcmort because he's too concerned about looking scummy, which while a valid reason in the broad sense is also a really REALLY easy justification for a scum looking for a reason to vote a townie. (I'm expecting that dcmort IS a townie partially on the odds, partially on past scummy behavior as a townie, and partially on his accusations of Secura after his lynch. Her murder right after that looked for all the world like someone amused at that interaction, and dcmort wasn't laughing.)
You continue to push dcmort on the point for another post or so, then switch to pursuing Believer's joking statement about himself and AtPG. It seems so obvious to me reading it now that what Believer said was a joke (and his response to GH so clear) that I have to wonder if Zack pushing Believer on it for three posts (backing off finally to "well that was a weird to say") isn't an artifact of scum over-reaction to things that most townies don't even bat an eyelash at as being scummy.
Anyway, he then tells Jolt to calm down (Jolt was arguing vociferously against his own lynch) and says day one votes are impossible to analyze. On day two, votes dcmort for the same reasons as day one. Laughs at b_ray thinking Nictel is scummy (implies it's always the case, which it is. but the reasons aren't really typical). Gives a "what the" response to a bizarre vote from Saregona on Csargo, whom I believe is dead by this point. Snarky response to Byzantine Knight sort of in Methos' defense. Knocks on already-lynched dcmort twice (for OMGUS-ing Secura and making a nonsense argument).
Day three, votes Saregona without explanation and responds to Winston.
unvote, vote Zack
Dcmort is an easy target and your vote pro forma ("townies shouldn't worry about looking scummy"). Believer was just weird, not worth the attention given. Laughing at B_ray re: Nictel and Byzantine Knight re: Methos (and the early day one poke at Believer) look a lot like poking without real commitment. Standing to one side, but not really caring. But the kicker:
SAREGONA? The guy who voted for one of the just-murdered players? The "wtf" I get even if it does tend to fall into the same category as the previous pokes, but actually voting for him? And without comment, at that? You have to bend over backward not to consider that the strongest possible TOWN tell. Scum tell, it is not. Except maybe, to a scum who is having trouble getting good reads on plausibly suspicious stuff otherwise.
Plus, you didn't justify your vote when asked.
@ Winston -- yeah I know, was just trying to be lazy. Did it myself anyway.
Also Renata to answer your question about killing in order to get people framed. I have done that several times as mafia.
I know; it wasn't so much that as drawing attention to it yourself, pointing the finger yourself. Have you done that?
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 17:30
@ Winston -- yeah I know, was just trying to be lazy. Did it myself anyway.
I know; it wasn't so much that as drawing attention to it yourself, pointing the finger yourself. Have you done that?
I have killed both people as mafia to raise some suspicion towards myself, in order not to be lynched because of "fying under the radar".I also have killed people to get other people framed.These are basic tricks both and i cant see anything about them why others couldnt do the same thing i have done. ATPG for example can confirm this.
That's still not my point. My point is Subotan having done that, and then *also* pointed the finger at Chaotix himself. That's what I'm asking you about.
Vote: Chaotix. Why arent you voting me anymore? Have your gut feeling faded? Bit inconsistent. I think you are scum and thinking more about possible threats towards yourself rather then really finding any mafia as you already know perfectly well who they are.
Actually, there was no gut feeling yesterday, you were just the first name I saw scrolling down the page to post. Basically a Day 1 vote, but since I missed Day 1 it happened on Day 2.
Today, I have a gut feeling. Subotan has begun ticking on my radar. But I haven't read everything in this thread yet. Perhaps I will find someone else I am more suspicious of later.
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 18:47
That's still not my point. My point is Subotan having done that, and then *also* pointed the finger at Chaotix himself. That's what I'm asking you about.
I cant see how that wouldnt be plausible. What ATGP tried to say and i agree with him is that many times mafia can be found by looking at people who are trying to control the game, how direct those efforts are depend on the player, but what ATGP caught is a pretty darn good tell.
Until I've heard back from ATPG (I PM'ed you btw), I'm sticking with my CFC list and since Zack frequents OT then Vote: Zack.
Maybe Chaotix is too busy hosting his own game?
That's a good point, and not one I was aware of as I have a bad habit of only reading/caring about threads with a tiny green triangle next to them. Had Chaotix not given the answers which I'll examine now, I'd have given in to my good-hearted and nature and given him the benefit of the doubt. Alas...
However, Subotan has been actively focusing on me, because I am an easy vote and haven't shown up to defend myself. I wanted to see how long he would carry it on, but I think I've got a big enough hunch now.
You can't bring in behaviour which we couldn't see you doing in-thread (I.e. the "I was secretly analysing him all this time, honest!") as proof of your innocence.
No, I like Subotan because he's going after soft targets.
*target
I was unaware that refusing to get involved in OMGUS Tennis is a sign of trying to scoot along, and that persistent questioning of someone who refuses to reply is "going after a soft target". Heck, If anyone went after a soft target yesterday, it was Chaotix.
Yes, especially if no one else makes such a connection. They have to help the process along, which means they're behind it.
If that were true, then the mafia would want to jumpstart the accusations if they weren't already being made, but they wouldn't care if they listened to or not, and they certainly wouldn't be as tenacious in their pursuit of their victim as I have been with Chaotix for fear of public attention. If they were ignored, then from the scum's POV that's too bad, but they can always pull out that post on the 10th Day as "evidence" that they're trying to help the town.
Actually, there was no gut feeling yesterday, you were just the first name I saw scrolling down the page to post. Basically a Day 1 vote, but since I missed Day 1 it happened on Day 2.
Today, I have a gut feeling. Subotan has begun ticking on my radar. But I haven't read everything in this thread yet. Perhaps I will find someone else I am more suspicious of later.
So even though you haven't been paying attention to thread, you "wanted to see how long Subotan would carry it on, but you think you've got a big enough hunch now"? How do you explain the fact that you're not paying attention to the discussion, so that you lodge a "random" vote, and that you've also been analysing my behaviour?
I cant see how that wouldnt be plausible. What ATGP tried to say and i agree with him is that many times mafia can be found by looking at people who are trying to control the game, how direct those efforts are depend on the player, but what ATGP caught is a pretty darn good tell.
Fair enough.
Until I've heard back from ATPG (I PM'ed you btw), I'm sticking with my CFC list and since Zack frequents OT then Vote: Zack.
AtPG's dead so I'm not sure if he's allowed to respond or not on something like this. I will tell you that what I was referring to myself was an MSN conversation, and he has a lot of MSN contacts.
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 19:27
Well we voted kagemusha to get him to be more active and here he is, so; Unvote
Subo's post 332 is a rather good one, I have to say.
ByzantineKnight
04-13-2011, 19:53
If Subotan turns out to be mafia, lynch Renata right away...
This must be a new fail for me...I forgot this game started.
Can somebody kind enough explain to me what happened so far?
If Subotan turns out to be mafia, lynch Renata right away...
Smile when you say that.
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 20:26
I dont get any scummy vibes from Renata, she seems like herself, but then who knows. Im very rusty townie.
Believer
04-13-2011, 20:28
I agree with previous comments on Zack, he seems the best choice of today.
Unvote; God Emperor
Vote: Zack
You can now breathe GE.
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 20:33
If Subotan turns out to be mafia, lynch Renata right away...
What do we do if Andres does not reveal mafia upon death?
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 20:33
It really doesnt matter that im biting the bullet. Atleast you woke up my interest. So i try to remain active for the rest of the game. People to look very closely are: Subotan, Chaotix, Zack and B_Ray, whom went hiding after busy and passionate self defense last round.
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 20:37
Sorry mate, I'd vote zack but I'm afraid I'd get a tie and kill both of you.
Don't forget Nictel; he also went quiet today.
Day 4
Chief of Police Andres was waiting patiently while the votes were counted.
The townies pushed Zack and Kagemusha forward, but Zack was pushed a bit harder, so he was the lynch of the day. Much to their surprise, Andres smiled... fatherly. He seemed... sober.
"Well, my child, have you sinned?"
"N...n...no..., Chief," Zack said, trembling for what was about to come.
"Come, come, fear not my child. Tell me, why did you kill these people?"
"B... b... but... I di... di... di... didn't."
"You didn't?"
"No."
Andres sighed and looked at the gathered townies.
"This man says he is innocent. Are you sure he's guilty?"
The townies hesitated, but most of them nodded, be it more out of fear that their crazy Chief of police might pick them instead of Zack.
"Hmmm...," Andres said, and he looked at X. "I'm sorry, my friend, but the people order me to do this."
Andres drew a razor sharp katana that he kept hidden under his cloak.
"I've taken lessons recently AND I'm sober, so this shouldn't take too long. I'll make this as painless as possible."
Allthough very afraid, Zack seemed grateful.
Andres jumped forward swinging his katana, stabbing, cutting, a whirlwind of incredibly complicated movements, causing lots of dust.
When the dust finally was settled, Andres was standing there, exhausted. Zack... Well... Not a scratch.
"With this evil man now dead and cut into pieces," Andres started and he looked over at Zack and fell silent.
"Uh?" He looked at the katana and back at Zack.
Andres turned red, in anger.
"I FOLLOWED LESSONS! WHY ARE YOU NOT CUT IN PIECES, YOU IMBECILE???! THAT'S ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO: DIE PROPERLY, BUT NO, OH NO, HE WANTED TO RUIN IT. DIDN'T YOU??? YOU'RE MAKING FUN OF ME, AREN'T YOU??? LET'S SEE HOW FUNNY YOU'LL FIND THIS."
Andres ran inside his office and soon came out with a chainsaw and a bottle of whisky. In 15 seconds he emptied the bottle and gave Zack a hard look.
"YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY??? I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S FUNNY!!"
[CENSORED BECAUSE TOO CRUEL]
Looking at what was left from Zack, Andres went back into his office and came back with an AK47 and a rocket launcher.
He fired 200 bullets and 4 rockets on the remnants of Zack. Still not satisfied, he walked over to the flesh and bones and started to jump on it, yelling "DIE!!! DIE!!! DIE, YOU RUINER OF PERFECTLY HARMONIOUS DEATH SCENES!!! DIE DIE DIE!!"
After he was finished, Andres calmly looked over at his audience and smiled.
"Zack is dead. You can now go back to your houses."
Tally
Zack: 4 (Winston, Methos, Believer, Renata) :skull:
Kagemusha: 4 (Skooma, Scienter, classical hero, Captain Blackadder)
Saregona: 3 (GE, Zack, JHT)
Subotan: 2 (Chaotix, Kage)
JHT: 1 (Saregona)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (BK)
Methos: 1 (Beefy187)
Chaotix: 1 (Subotan)
Not voting: 5 (B Ray, Nictel, robbiecon, Seon, Greyblades)
***
Alive (21)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Renata
Captain Blackadder
Beefy187
Saregona
B Ray
Believer
classical hero
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Seon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (6)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Lynched (3)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
WoG (0)
***
It's night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 24 hours.
ByzantineKnight
04-13-2011, 21:19
Smile when you say that.
:laugh4:
I dont get any scummy vibes from Renata, she seems like herself, but then who knows. Im very rusty townie.
I wasn't saying I thought she was scum, but I don't really think Subotan is either. She just seemed intent on saving him is all.
Kagemusha
04-13-2011, 21:30
Huh Andres, did you flip a coin or something?
Believer
04-13-2011, 21:49
Huh Andres, did you flip a coin or something?
You may thank me now.
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 21:50
Sorry mate, I'd vote zack but I'm afraid I'd get a tie and kill both of you.
Zack: 4 (Winston, Methos, Believer, Renata)
Kagemusha: 4 (Skooma, Scienter, classical hero, Captain Blackadder)
...Well crud, now I feel stupid.
What do we do if Andres does not reveal mafia upon death?
There are no reveals, as it's vanilla mafia.
Sorry mate, I'd vote zack but I'm afraid I'd get a tie and kill both of you.
You could have at least done a quick tally >_>
[CENSORED BECAUSE TOO CRUEL]BZZZZZZZZZZZ (https://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9405/bzzzzredblood.png)
I wasn't saying I thought she was scum, but I don't really think Subotan is either. She just seemed intent on saving him is all.
Evidently, I must either be an asset to the town or very persuasive then!
You've made lots of posts, but don't look much like you're actually trying to catch scum.
I knew what that part meant, should've cropped the quote.
The mafia have been killing off well established players here at the org, so confirming them innocent whilst removing their votes. That's both ballsy and ruthless, and, thus, a strategy I can imagine you adopting.
I am honored that you think I am "both ballsy and ruthless". :bow: That is most definitely becoming my user title.
On glancing through your posts I find you to be rather aggressive
I would just like to point out that I am practically always aggressive as a townie (and if you recall, I wasn't particularly aggressive in Impending Retribution, was I?). I can dig up examples if you wish.
Pointless to defend myself now. Bummed that the wagon against me started when I was AFK...
You can't bring in behaviour which we couldn't see you doing in-thread (I.e. the "I was secretly analysing him all this time, honest!") as proof of your innocence.
So even though you haven't been paying attention to thread, you "wanted to see how long Subotan would carry it on, but you think you've got a big enough hunch now"? How do you explain the fact that you're not paying attention to the discussion, so that you lodge a "random" vote, and that you've also been analysing my behaviour?
I don't need to prove my innocence, because so far the only one accusing me is you, and for invented reasons.
And I can explain my vote perfectly. I popped in to the newest page of the thread, saw Kagemusha's name, and voted. Then I started working my way backwards, and saw that you had voted for me twice. I was about to change my vote there, but didn't feel like double-posting and so I decided to wait it out and see what you did the next day phase instead. And, surprise, surprise, you voted for me again.
The problem with your argument, Subotan, is that I was just genuinely inactive and concentrating on my own game until a few days ago, and didn't even realize this game had started until around the time I made my first post. Now that I plan to participate more, your argument will simply fall apart.
I believe your original reasoning was that someone ruthless as mafia, like me, would have killed ATPG night 1. Actually, I probably would have let him live and try to get him lynched instead. ATPG as a confirmed innocent is deadly because he continues to participate and everyone listens to him. And ATPG can usually catch me as a scum. But you weren't far off; I have made moves like that in past games- you correctly identified Star Wars as one of them.
Greyblades
04-13-2011, 23:09
You could have at least done a quick tally >_>
I'm lazy, deal with it 'cause I cant be bothered to.
robbiecon
04-14-2011, 01:12
So, my conclusion is that either andres RNG'd it, or Kagemusha is scum.
Tomorrow is another day though. (I will remember I'm playing this game tomorrow)
Sorry for not voting that round. Don't have a great excuse, just general indecision and missing the deadline today. Don't know who I would have voted for. I'm having trouble feeling really suspicious about anyone at this point. I don't really understand all the heat that Kagemusha is drawing, nor Zack, though it's obviously too late for him. The only person I'm still partly suspicious of is Nictel, but I've got nothing new to go on. I'll give him my vote again, though. I'd cite his lack of comments this past round as suspicious, but I did the same thing. So far he seems (to me) to be the only person who hasn't provided a good defense of his past actions.
vote: Nictel
Greyblades
04-14-2011, 01:47
Sorry for not voting that round. Don't have a great excuse, just general indecision and missing the deadline today. Don't know who I would have voted for. I'm having trouble feeling really suspicious about anyone at this point. I don't really understand all the heat that Kagemusha is drawing, nor Zack, though it's obviously too late for him. The only person I'm still partly suspicious of is Nictel, but I've got nothing new to go on. I'll give him my vote again, though. I'd cite his lack of comments this past round as suspicious, but I did the same thing. So far he seems (to me) to be the only person who hasn't provided a good defense of his past actions.
vote: Nictel
...dude the round's over.
Oh yeah, we have to wait for the Night Round to end first. :oops: My bad.
Askthepizzaguy
04-14-2011, 03:54
I note my name was mentioned; uh if you're looking to me for advice, probably ignore me until the late game, if anything.
Whatever analytical abilities I might bring to the table only works with at least some history of behavior to work from, and that's still handicapped because I have no idea if the lynchees are guilty.
The mafia will be doing whatever they can to avoid being the topic of discussion, because they don't want to die on round 2 or 3 and leave their partner high and dry. My suggestion is to force people to be the topic of discussion, with pressure votes. If they don't want to play along, and point fingers at suspects, or they try to take the easy way out and not even respond to pressure, put them to death without hesitation. That smacks of nervousness and playing "chicken".
Who am i?
04-14-2011, 08:41
That smacks of nervousness and playing "chicken".
Hello.
I enjoy chicken.
Askthepizzaguy
04-14-2011, 09:29
Hello.
I enjoy chicken.
I swear, this guy is Sasaki or someone on an alt account messing with me. It's hysterical.
God Emperor
04-14-2011, 12:28
Hello.
I enjoy chicken.
you don't even intend to answer my post ? :o
Who am i?
04-14-2011, 14:20
you don't even intend to answer my post ? :o
Hello.
What post?
classical_hero
04-14-2011, 15:40
We shall see if there is one less kill or not, otherwise I think we should go for one of the two people the dead have suggested.
There's always two kills.
Rules are short this game. ;)
Diamondeye
04-14-2011, 16:00
I swear, this guy is Sasaki or someone on an alt account messing with me. It's hysterical.
:tongue: If it's ACIN I am going to laugh myself to death.
I don't need to prove my innocence, because so far the only one accusing me is you, and for invented reasons.
If this is going to be accepted as a legitimate defence I'm going to adopt it and use it in all future games.
And I can explain my vote perfectly. I popped in to the newest page of the thread, saw Kagemusha's name, and voted. Then I started working my way backwards, and saw that you had voted for me twice. I was about to change my vote there, but didn't feel like double-posting and so I decided to wait it out and see what you did the next day phase instead.That's exactly the same explanation you used previously, and it possesses the same flaws. There is not any evidence which supports what you say that is available to us, and we must rely on faith alone to accept that argument. In the endgame, faith might be all we have, and I'd have no other choice to accept such an argument. But seeing as these are early days yet, there is more than enough evidence to the contrary to make you a very good candidate for tomorrow's lynch.
And, surprise, surprise, you voted for me again.Your sarcasm here really bothers me. Were your surprise genuine, then it would be an indicator that you hadn't been paying attention to the thread at all. Instead, your Serious Business persona in this post and your previous one does not give off an impression that you're stumbled into the thread to find that I've been voting for you.
The problem with your argument, Subotan, is that I was just genuinely inactive and concentrating on my own game until a few days ago, and didn't even realize this game had started until around the time I made my first post. Once again, a Faith Based Argument. Also, that you are hosting a game obviously doesn't mean you're innocent.
Now that I plan to participate more, your argument will simply fall apart.
Aha, but that's not my argument, or at not least all of it. ATPG's death is a sign that there is at least one member of the pair is a ballsy experienced player who is prepared to play hardball from the get-go. You fit the bill, as do various other players. Your continued inactivity caused me to think that maybe, maybe my cursory probe was onto something, but your most recent posts sealed the deal. Your arguments for your defence have been contradictory and evasive, and your argument for my guilt is just bizarre. By avoiding the tedious OMGUS Tennis and sticking my neck out, I'm apparently "trying to skate along"? Huh?
My suggestion is to force people to be the topic of discussion, with pressure votes. If they don't want to play along, and point fingers at suspects, or they try to take the easy way out and not even respond to pressure, put them to death without hesitation.
It does not seem like you are offering any means of escape from your wrath, ATPG.
Lynch Chaotix tomorrow; such persistence should be rewarded.
Pfft. Then you don't reply to the part where I said why I wouldn't first-round ATPG. Still, it is only a WIFOM argument, so good for you.
In reality, Subotan, you are the one with the SRS BUSINESS attitude here. I'm sitting here laughing because you're so unfortunately misguided.
My modus operandi is that I don't defend myself unless it really matters or I actually feel in danger. If you guys want to lynch me, go right ahead. It will free up time for me to be on-time with my write-ups in my own game.
Night 4
Seon was walking very carefully to the Italian restaurant "Antonio".
Constantly looking left and right he walked very slowly over to the restaurant. He decided to crawl the last part and crawled inside the restaurant. The waiters gave him odd looks, but Seon didn't care. The mafia didn't see him and that was the most important.
Finally there, he ordered a bottle of chianti. When it arrived, he immediately drank two glasses, to calm down. Feeling all warm inside, safe and comfortable, he ordered a plate of Antonio's famous spaghetti bolognaise.
It arrived within 15 minutes and the moment he tasted the excellent sauce, the whole world disappeared and there was only Seon and the bolognaise.
He didn't notice how suddenly the waiters left the restaurant. He didn't notice the cooks leaving quickly, all looking very pale, nor did he notice the mafioso in a suit of ringing bells, clashing cymbals together with all his strength, while yelling as loud as he could "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!!!!!" over and over again.
But Seon didn't notice anything of this; that's how excellent Antonio's bolognaise was.
The mafioso, exhausted by his attempts to draw attention, dropped the cymbals, went standing behind Seon and strangled him with a garotte.
From the look on Seons' dead face, it seemed like he didn't even notice that he died.
***
Renata switched off the television, shaking her head at the most distasteful tv commercial ever. She found it truly despicable how "Antonio" tried to take advantage of the various murders that had happened in the Italian restaurant.
She felt so disgusted, that she needed to go outside, for a walk in the park.
Muttering to herself about how deep this world had sunk, she didn't notice the mafioso on the ground, behind a minigun, until it was too late.
"Wha... NOOOOO...!"
Her screams were cut off abruptly by 6.000 rounds/minute. After the machine gun went silent, there wasn't much left anymore of Renata.
***
Day 5
The good people of Gameroomville were waiting in front of the police building for their Chief of Police.
He stumbled outside, carrying an empty bottle of Ciney Blond.
"Disaster! Disaster! My last bottle of Ciney Blond and my supplier doesn't want to bring me some more as long as there are people being killed. It's all the fault of Seon and Renata! Why couldn't they just stay alive as I told them to do?"
He paused and looked angry at the townies.
"I want my Ciney Blond, so please, for once, do something good and catch a mafioso!"
That said, he stumbled back into the police building.
***
Alive (19)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Captain Blackadder
Beefy187
Saregona
B Ray
Believer
classical hero
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (8)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Lynched (3)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
WoG (0)
***
It's day. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.
Bad, nasty, evil, mafias.
Askthepizzaguy
04-14-2011, 20:45
Bad, nasty, evil, mafias.
Welcome to Club Awesome. All the dead people here are top notch.
Kagemusha
04-14-2011, 20:53
I think we should place some serious amount of votes to people to get them talking. Vote: Chaotix . You seem to make a great effort to not seem like you are interested in the game.
Hosts' tally
Chaotix: 1 (Kagemusha)
Not voting: everybody else.
As it stands now, Chaotix will be lynched.
Always here to help :bow:
GeneralHankerchief
04-14-2011, 21:47
Spread 'em around is my only recommendation right now. The more people we have worried about their fate, the more information we'll be able to go off of in the endgame.
Askthepizzaguy
04-14-2011, 22:33
Thirded. I was recommending a similar course of action in the Animus game before I got distracted and.... well, dead.
Votes on a lot of candidates, and keeping the vote tally low, puts pressure on a lot of potential scums. And, you are more likely to accidentally get one, as long as they have one vote on them and the most votes anyone has is 2.
Vote: B_Ray
Been very dodgy in earlier rounds, on a re-read. Still got my eye on Subotan.
It's clear that the mafia's strategy is definitely to get rid of players who are perceived to be high-profile or good analysts. Unfortunately for them, it means our best analysts are now confirmed innocents, so if they stick around and pay attention (which I know ATPG and GH will do), they will be more useful to us than if we were not totally able to trust them.
BTW Andres, Renata and Seon are still on both the Dead and Alive lists.
Spread 'em around is my only recommendation right now. The more people we have worried about their fate, the more information we'll be able to go off of in the endgame.
:yes:
Believer
04-14-2011, 23:06
Vote Kagemusha
Come on, it's always Kage.
God Emperor
04-14-2011, 23:33
Vote Kagemusha
Come on, it's always Kage.
Why Kagemusha ?:stare:
God Emperor
04-14-2011, 23:53
Vote: Believer , based on a short msn conversation.
Frederik siger:
pressure pressure
look at gamethread !
Joel siger:
:')
Frederik siger:
that's a short reply : > suppose you save the real reply for the gamethread
Joel siger:
That's not pressure, I can wriggle myself out of that just by pointing to my original post. :')
Frederik siger:
wriggle yourself out .. is that how you feel ?
Joel siger:
Isn't that what you do from pressure?
Frederik siger:
only if you don't like it ^^
Joel siger:
Haha, I like it. That's why I'm not gonna respond to it.. Right now..
Frederik siger:
I see oO
that's not a good respons Believer !
Joel siger:
It's good enough :')
Frederik siger:
it may cost you your head
Joel siger:
Atleast I had fun writing it :')
Frederik siger:
so what you really are saying is that you don't have a good answer ?
Joel siger:
Since I have a catchy habit of blindly following veteran players it shouldn't be too hard to figure out
Frederik siger:
lol
OFF WITH THE HEAD
Joel siger:
Hah :')
the bolded areas does not really go well hand in hands. At least I did not like the replies. As you can see the topic is being largely ignored. Joel = Believer , Frederik = Me
siger = says , :p
Vote:Chaotix
For the reasons given earlier. I didn't reply to the final part of your post as I thought that my remark on the last portion I quoted covered that.
Come on, it's always Kage.
Attempting to meta whilst having barely 100 posts? That's....interesting, to say the least.
johnhughthom
04-15-2011, 00:01
Vote: Saregona
I'm going to keep my vote: Nictel, at least until we hear from him again. Did a quick tally, and if I didn't miss anyone, the votes stand as...
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
B_Ray: 1 (Chaotix)
Kagemusha: 1 (Believer)
Believer: 1 (God Emporer)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Nictel: 1 (B_Ray)
Quite a spread we got.
johnhughthom
04-15-2011, 00:17
I'm going to keep my vote: Nictel, at least until we hear from him again. Did a quick tally, and if I didn't miss anyone, the votes stand as...
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
B_Ray: 1 (Chaotix)
Kagemusha: 1 (Believer)
Believer: 1 (God Emporer)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Nictel: 1 (B_Ray)
Quite a spread we got.
Oi! That's my job.
Tallying, or diversifying the votes? :)
johnhughthom
04-15-2011, 00:36
Tallying, or diversifying the votes? :)
Stealing my tallying job and playing safe with your vote. Interesting.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2011, 00:37
It would be neat if B_Ray were mafia. It could explain the odd murder choices.
You're odd, B_Ray. In a good way. :grin:
God Emperor
04-15-2011, 00:41
This may be a very rigid stance to take, but I won't rest with voting Believer until he is lynched (or killed). I say this to empathize that I want to see him dead , and I hope people will vote for him !:laugh4:
Who am i?
04-15-2011, 00:51
Hello.
I am confused. Woh do i vote?
johnhughthom
04-15-2011, 00:54
Hello.
I am confused. Woh do i vote?
Hello.
Yourself, since you are scum.
Vote: Saregona
How come he doesn't get hounded for the same thing I did?
It would be neat if B_Ray were mafia. It could explain the odd murder choices.
You're odd, B_Ray. In a good way. :grin:
I have no idea how to respond to this. Thank you for the odd compliment. Do enlighten me, though. If I were a mafioso, how would the assassinations make more sense? And what doesn't make sense about them to begin with?
Beefy187
04-15-2011, 01:01
This ha been the kill pattern
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
It is not a usual thing to kill ATPG on the first night. DIY is understandable.
Csargo and Yaseikhaan on the second night is a very strange kill. Csargo becomes a excellent lynch bait later on. I've never seen Khaan killed so early.
GeneralHankerchief and Secura killed on night 3 is okay. So far the kills has been all org vets.
Suddenly Seon and Renata dies. Both originating from the CFC.
First six kills has been all from the Org. While the most recent 2 was from CFC. This suggests that kills were not made on random.
Theres a chain of thoughts behind the kills.
Second, the unusual kill patterns suggests its done by those who are not familiar with the usual kills on here.
This suggests new comers, or CFC vets. I thought the latter is more likely.
Winston, Methos and Nictel is a good choice for me. Personally Winston out of those three for OMGUS vote on me earlier.
Vote:Winston
Now come Winston and make me into a well done steak :p
Unvote, Vote: Believer
I totally see what God Emperor sees now.
Look at Believer saying in the beginning he wants to play a full game with ATPG. Then look at him in shock when ATPG dies in the first round. Look at Believer looking up to "veterans" and look at who's been dying recently.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2011, 01:05
Stop double posting, B_Ray!
:tongue2:
The Beefy twins strike again.
Who am i?
04-15-2011, 01:06
This suggests new comers, or CFC vets. I thought the latter is more likely.
Hello.
I am new
:smileface:
Believer
04-15-2011, 01:19
This is going to be a long one.
For the sake of transparancy I will post the rest of the msn-conversation with GE, so that you can all get more information before making your decision.
Joel säger (00:54):
Oh you :')
Frederik säger (00:54):
:D
I will see you hang for your out of character replies
Joel säger (00:54):
:O?
Frederik säger (00:55):
you are much more vague and dodgey than what I have seen before
and I don't like that
besides the explanation problem ofc :P
Joel säger (00:56):
And I thought you talked to me during the Dutch phase xD
Frederik säger (00:56):
^^
I will let you go if you tell me who your partner is !:P:P
Joel säger (00:56):
Haha <3
Joel säger (00:57):
In all seriousness though, it doesn't add up.
Frederik säger (00:57):
what doesn't add up ? =p
Joel säger (00:58):
Me being mafia :')
Frederik säger (00:58):
why not ? :)
Joel säger (00:58):
Why would I kill Renata and ATPG? :S
Those are my heroes :8
Frederik säger (00:58):
xD
Frederik säger (00:59):
you are not exactly helping your case ^^
Joel säger (00:59):
I won't leave the game in any case, I see this as useful experience
Frederik säger (01:00):
every game is imo
there is always new things to learn
are *
tbh based on the replies I have been given so far, I would be surprised if you are not scum
but if you are not , then I have learned things as well
so it is all good : )
Joel säger (01:01):
: D
Saying I'm innocent won't convince you, right?
Frederik säger (01:01):
haha :P
Frederik säger (01:02):
no that is as good defense as saying 'why would I kill Renata and ATPG' :P
Joel säger (01:02):
Still, that really doesn't add up
Frederik säger (01:02):
why not ?
because you like them as persons ?
Frederik säger (01:03):
If you are mafia, then all will have to die. So if anything your defense isn't thought very well through :O
Joel säger (01:04):
Put yourself in my shoes. I talk to both Renata and ATPG frequently and they help me develop as a player. Why wouldn't I just continue to lead them along with that and simply cloud everything I say to them with a question?
Frederik säger (01:04):
but atm I the only one voting you :)
Joel säger (01:04):
Oh well, I'm convinced you can gather enough votes to off me if you really put yourself to it, you're good enough for it
Frederik säger (01:06):
why ? You are afraid of them, that is why you want them dead. that is at least one way to look at it. As you are knew it would also be less likely that you target all the good players from a certain perspective. And as you use this as your defense, if you are scum, you have in itself decided that it is okay to kill them because that is not something you would
do
Frederik säger (01:07):
and I would also claim you as well would be aware that 'why would I kill them' is a rather weak defense, when you have a case that really says you dodge my original questioning towards your vote
But yes I also believe I can get you lynched
at least I won't rest until you are gone.. I can't have you around like this, so if you are still alive I can't focus on others
Joel säger (01:08):
Oh that's bad.. If that's really the case then I should go this round
Your vote is worth more than mine
Frederik säger (01:08):
yes I would personally be glad if you voted yourself
and helped towards your lynch
but my vote is worth the same as yours
Joel säger (01:09):
You know what I meant :')
Frederik säger (01:09):
yeah
Frederik säger (01:10):
if we work under the assumption that you are scum, then I think your kill choice isn't the worse. But it is always emperative to run scenarios in your head , so that you can respond to questioning
that's at least how I feel
Joel säger (01:10):
Hm okay, let's go through them
ATGP and DiY.
What's my motivation?
Frederik säger (01:11):
you are scum, people need to die
that is your motivation ^^
Joel säger (01:11):
Good enough for the first night
Csargo and Khaan?
Frederik säger (01:11):
when murdering there are always more than 1 person to pick
in other words, your partner
picking khaan matches the good players
as he is a mod
Frederik säger (01:12):
it gives a certain awe towards any player I would say
Csarge is just a random kill imo
csargo
Joel säger (01:12):
GH and Secura?
Frederik säger (01:12):
mods
high profiles
and a good sense of humour
killing of secura
Joel säger (01:12):
How so? ^o)
Frederik säger (01:13):
she just claimed she would most likely die
and then she dies ^^
that is humour imo :P
Joel säger (01:13):
Bah, I liked her Animus game too much imo
Seon and Renata?
Frederik säger (01:14):
what is your point ? everybody has to die.. so if you were scum you would not kill everybody, even though you MUST kill everybody ? I fail too see what you are getting at
Joel säger (01:14):
Come on, if I were scum I would have atleast a scrap of reasoning behind each kill
Frederik säger (01:14):
right
Joel säger (01:14):
Assuming you know who one of the mafia is (me) you must be able to find out reasons, unless I didn't pick any of the kills
Frederik säger (01:15):
random is a perfectly good reason
it does not create any real connections
but there is no way for me to decifer why the people were killed
I can make judgements on thread behavior
Joel säger (01:16):
Isn't that exactly what the mafia must also do? Now you know the outcome of something, who did it and you have the reasons in front of you
I won't accept going down easy without you doing some real work and a real case against me
Frederik säger (01:16):
LOL
sorry ^¨
Frederik säger (01:17):
but deny my questioning and you lead the conversation down to a road that says 'if you can't explain why these people were killed , then there is no case'
ignoring my actual reason for voting you
Joel säger (01:17):
I never did :')
You even highlighted my response in the thread
Frederik säger (01:17):
I did
Frederik säger (01:18):
So we have a situation where you vote for people without actually knowing why
that is why you can not answer me properly
Joel säger (01:18):
No.. I know why and I told you why
Frederik säger (01:18):
vague would need a new definition if what you are saying is not extemely vague
hat's not pressure, I can wriggle myself out of that just by pointing to my original post. :')
Frederik säger (01:19):
what original post ?
Joel säger (01:19):
I'm explaining as we speak, have patience
Frederik säger (01:19):
Since I have a catchy habit of blindly following veteran players it shouldn't be too hard to figure out
now it is not an original post now it is some other persons post ?
from my perspective you are working up an argument as we speak
Joel säger (01:20):
Calm down, you're writing too fast and not letting me respond
Frederik säger (01:20):
I am very clam
calm
Joel säger (01:20):
Now who's not helping his case? :')
Frederik säger (01:20):
and I gave you plenty of time ^^ If you have found a reason then by all means show me :)
my God ^^
Joel säger (01:22):
Let's break it down and I'll clarify.
1. First point you brought up, "Why Kagemusha?" and the subsequent conversation where you highlight my response "I can wriggle myself blabla".
I give my reason in the vote post. It's not a very good reason but it's a reason nonetheless.
2. "Me having a catchy habit"
You saw ATPG's post just a few posts above mine I presume?
That, is all this is.
Joel säger (01:23):
Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed the ride. But that's all it is.
Frederik säger (01:23):
what is the original post of yours then ?
Joel säger (01:23):
My vote post
You ask "Why" to a question I've already answered. Badly I might add, but answered nonetheless
Frederik säger (01:24):
so
if I was to understand your vote
That's not pressure, I can wriggle myself out of that just by pointing to my original post. :')
I had to look at the previous post
origina *
which was the post with the vote
which made me question the whole thing
?
Joel säger (01:25):
Indeed. I was shamelessly mocking you for a while there, don't take it bad though. It wasn't meant to be mean
Frederik säger (01:25):
out of character
imo
if anything you are a humble person
mocking others for the fun, is arrogance
and that is not humility
therefore
it must be out character
Joel säger (01:26):
Mocking, joking around, teasing. Any variation you wish, I'm a light-hearted person.
Frederik säger (01:27):
So let's continue down that road
why would you choose to joke instead of reply seriously , to a serious question ?
Joel säger (01:28):
I never thought it was serious. Just as when I voted you in the first (or second?) day it wasn't serious. Same reasoning as my vote now in fact. To spread the votes, cause some confusion.
Oh! Game thread, it seems it succeeded.
Frederik säger (01:30):
yes many spread votes
Frederik säger (01:32):
hm
I am getting tired, and I can't deny that could potentially affect my judgement. but if you are not scum, then I really need to rethink my own strategy
Joel säger (01:34):
The day goes on for like 19 more hours, there's time if you want to sleep : )
Frederik säger (01:35):
^^
I know I can't change my mind now
and if I am wrong, then it is just bad
and sad
Frederik säger (01:36):
but if I don't see you lynched or murdered, then I will have to keep voting on you.. meh I just hope you will be lynched soon
and stick around if you want
I would just rest a lot easier if I knew you were lynched
and that is ofc not personal at all
I got nothing against you ^^
Joel säger (01:36):
:')
I won't leave, too bad I won't be trusted even when I'm dead though : )
Frederik säger (01:37):
yes
well
you could be trusted. and if not by me , then perhaps by many others
and if the reason is good enough
then you can always win over people
Joel säger (01:38):
This is all speculation though, I might die today or not at all. We should see what happens : )
Frederik säger (01:38):
it's just.. your responses are also some of what I would expect you to respond with ^
but yeah
Frederik säger (01:39):
there is no point on going on with this
I have set my mind, I can see that
If you are not scum, then you will just have to bear with me
Joel säger (01:39):
It's what I'm doing right now : )
Frederik säger (01:39):
I know :)
Frederik säger (01:41):
haha :D
at least I make sure the boat isn't sailing on steadily :P
Joel säger (01:42):
Stirring things up can't be a bad idea
Frederik säger (01:42):
it makes people talk. That is always nice. and sometimes mafia may jump on easy bandwagons in those situations as well
Joel säger (01:43):
If I'm innocent then atleast some people will disagree with you and it will cause discussion. If I'm scum then good riddance, you've done a good job : )
Frederik säger (01:43):
yes. that seems correct
hm
you are always up late :P
when do you actually sleep ?
This is when we stopped talking about the game and went on to talk about manga and why effort is never in vain.
If for some reason someone wants the rest of the conversation posted you can ask me or GE, none of us would have any reason to edit anything and the other could easily point it out.
TL;DR. I try to poke holes at GE's arguments and he tries to pin me down.
Hello.
I am new
:smileface:
You'd think Saregona would realize that he doesn't have to begin every post with "Hello" by now.
Then again, I think it's part of his charm. Exceptionally polite, brief, and concise. :laugh4:
-------------------------
EDIT: That's a big flinch, Believer.
You've only got 2 votes on you, and it didn't look to me like you were a popular lynch... my vote stays where it is for now.
Believer
04-15-2011, 01:26
You'd think Saregona would realize that he doesn't have to begin every post with "Hello" by now.
Then again, I think it's part of his charm. Exceptionally polite, brief, and concise. :laugh4:
-------------------------
EDIT: That's a big flinch, Believer.
You've only got 2 votes on you, and it didn't look to me like you were a popular lynch... my vote stays where it is for now.
Typically what a first-time mafia would do, isn't it? :)
Skooma Addict
04-15-2011, 01:26
Vote: Nictel
Beefy187
04-15-2011, 01:26
Stop double posting, B_Ray!
:tongue2:
The Beefy twins strike again.
Not my fault. He just happens to post before me when I want to post :D
If he wants to be rare steak by looking like me and me well done steak then who am I to complain :curtain:
Updated tally:
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
Kagemusha: 1 (Believer)
Believer: 2 (God Emporer, Chaotix)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Nictel: 2 (B_Ray, Skooma Addict)
Winston: 1 (Beefy187)
To my supposed twin brother: it looks like the mafia have been killing off the most experienced players. How can that be an "unusual" strategy? Wouldn't it generally be the smartest thing to do?
Who am i?
04-15-2011, 02:01
You'd think Saregona would realize that he doesn't have to begin every post with "Hello" by now.
Then again, I think it's part of his charm. Exceptionally polite, brief, and concise. :laugh4:
Hello.
Her.
Thank.
If he wants to be rare steak by looking like me and me well done steak then who am I to complain
Hello.
You are steak. ?
Greyblades
04-15-2011, 02:09
Good lord this is getting confusing.
GeneralHankerchief
04-15-2011, 03:19
Vote: Nictel
*points out post to all the alive people still playing*
Believer
04-15-2011, 03:24
*points out post to all the alive people still playing*
Please explain this to me. Why is that post standing out to you?
Who am i?
04-15-2011, 03:54
Hello.
Vote: Winstern
Steak?
dcmort93
04-15-2011, 03:59
Hello.
Vote: Winstern
Steak?You mean Winston?
Who am i?
04-15-2011, 04:16
You mean Winston?
Hello.
?
Good grief Saregona, what is your deal? I've had 5 beers now and I still think you sound incomprehensible. You're voting for Winstern, huh? Well I can go ahead and tell you that he won't be a threat. dcmort93, it's good to have you back. Why don't you help us all out and tell us what's going on here? We're trying to find the mafia. Were you one? I wish I was. I'd take out Saregona. Or maybe not. He's pretty entertaining, LOL.
I am confused and amused.
dcmort93
04-15-2011, 04:40
If I were mafia I would be wishing I'd killed him instead of ATPG
GeneralHankerchief
04-15-2011, 04:42
Please explain this to me. Why is that post standing out to you?
Vote by a fairly below-the-radar player, without any explanation whatsoever.
Skooma Addict
04-15-2011, 05:31
Vote by a fairly below-the-radar player, without any explanation whatsoever.
Delayed follow up from day 3. Day 4 was used to help apply pressure to Kage or else he would have received my vote then as well.
Vote: Nictel
Bit of a strong reaction to two quick votes this early in the game. Can't say that it smells scummy, but my nose is definitely twitching.
In regards to this.
Wow.
Oh yes very questionable indeed. What exactly did you find questionable? And an OMGUS as well? You really don't know how to hide well do you?
And a reasonless vote seems I found two mafia already!
Lets start with B_Ray for his lack of explanation and for putting forward really dumb arguments. Oh and that OMGUS.
OH B-Ray, digging a bigger hole are we? Nothing about my post was defensive ánd you haven't answered any of my questions.
I'd take out Saregona. Or maybe not. He's pretty entertaining, LOL.
Her. At least I think it's a her, based on this comment:
Hello.
Her.
Thank.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2011, 05:39
If I were mafia I would be wishing I'd killed him instead of ATPG
Why? s/He's providing an excellent distraction, and amusing at least some players. The distraction part is a big point.
Also note, from my limited experience, Saregona does not really respond to threats or pressure. s/He's stoic like Johnhughthom in that regard, but the posts are almost TosaInu-like in wording. s/He's HughsaInu!
We'll probably get used to it soon enough. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2011, 05:42
I'm scared ATPG.
Hold me. It will be okay. What could possibly happen? We're already dead.
Dead sexy, that is.
Hold me. It will be okay. What could possibly happen? We're already dead.
Dead sexy, that is.
https://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5595/awwc.jpg (https://img146.imageshack.us/i/awwc.jpg/)
Winston Hughes
04-15-2011, 10:32
Beefy says that the kill pattern suggests someone not familiar with the usual kills here at the org. But I've been at the org nearly a year and a half, playing well over twenty games here, so it's really stretching it to put me in that category.
And, in any case, is unfamiliarity really the best explanation for that kill pattern? I can't see why an experienced orgah would be any less likely to choose such kills, given the obvious potential for WIFOM therein. Indeed, the shift from org vets to CFC vets might just as easily be motivated by a desire to keep some org vets alive as cover, while conveniently feeding into the growing suspicion against CFCers seen in the lynching of Zack yesterday, allowing precisely the type of WIFOM-riddled case Beefy himself puts forward.
So, for making a superficially plausible case lacking in real substance, for calling suspicion on most of the remaining players except himself and a few others like him, and for being exactly the kind of devious and steely-nerved type to play this kind of game as scum...
vote: Beefy
Cue the usual avalanche of votes against me when I post more than a line or two. Nice work, Beefy. ;)
Death is yonder
04-15-2011, 13:18
This ha been the kill pattern
It is not a usual thing to kill ATPG on the first night. DIY is understandable.
Aww why is killing me understandable beefster :tongue:
Theres a chain of thoughts behind the kills.
I agree though, these actions (patterns) are seemingly deliberate, so the question becomes whether its meant to distract discussion, or provide opportunity for getting through with easy "analysis" on "who would do such a thing!", because I highly doubt that the killing of individuals who maintain a moderate/heavy post-death presence(ATPG, Renata etc) and whose opinions are generally looked upon favorably comes without an ulterior motive, especially since a vanilla townie death is effectively no different from being alive, just with no vote, but with much more credibility (as in looked upon without ulterior motives being considered)
Hmm :thinking:
Winston, Methos, Believer, Renata
Answer this question NOW.
How come he doesn't get hounded for the same thing I did?
That was a significant part of the case against me. I want to know why none of you mention it when someone else does the exact same thing.
Greyblades
04-15-2011, 13:53
Er, forgive my ignorance, but what is the CFC?
johnhughthom
04-15-2011, 13:54
Er, forgive my ignorance, but what is the CFC?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154
Winston, Methos, Believer, Renata
Answer this question NOW.
I voted for you because you frequent CFC OT and had a high probability to get lynched, but since ATPG replied to my PM I realize that train of thought has no basis now.
(TBH, I have never even seen whatever thread about Pizza you were referring to. Link?)
johnhughthom
04-15-2011, 14:28
I found the pizza write ups hilarious as I've had conversations with him about just those topics. I'm guessing I'm not the only person he has talked to about it so I don't think a CFC angle should necessarily be inferred.
How come he doesn't get hounded for the same thing I did?
I think I'm the only one who brought that up as a reason for voting you.
I like Beefy's reasoning pretty well up to here:
Vote:Winston
Now come Winston and make me into a well done steak :p
Of all those mentioned (is Diamondeye in this game? Classical_hero? If so, don't forget them. Or the new players from other sites, for that matter), Winston is the *least* likely to kill ATPG on night one *for that reason*. He's been around plenty long enough to know the ins and outs of vanilla games, and why a proven-innocent ATPG is bad juju for mafia.
Diamondeye
04-15-2011, 14:59
is Diamondeye in this game?
Sorry. The easiest excuse for scum sits out this time, unless Andres needs a replacement later (ie after the 24th). That's a "no".
I'm following the game pretty closely though (as the speed of this reply indicates).
And classical as the killer doesn't make too much sense either. In State of Corruption he tended to be rather savvy with his kill choices, not like what we're seeing here.
That's assuming that our killer's strategy is only as deep as "get rid of the good players".
As DiY said, there's a strong possibility that it's a ploy to provide easy cover and framing opportunities- in which case I could imagine anybody coming up with these kill choices- not just someone new or someone from CFC.
Sorry. The easiest excuse for scum sits out this time, unless Andres needs a replacement later (ie after the 24th). That's a "no".
I'm following the game pretty closely though (as the speed of this reply indicates).
Vote Diamondeye. He's pretending he's not even in the game.
robbiecon
04-15-2011, 15:33
I'm inclined to believe the killers are people who are quite familiar to both CFC and the org. There are some people who fit into both categories IMO. Others will say I fit into both.
I'm more inclined to think of either Winston Hughes, Methos (who's a moderator over on CFC), johnhughthom, and Skooma Addict, classical_hero and Nictel are over there too. (I guess there's more, but you don't spring to mind)
Who do I vote for? Who would want to get all of these threats out of the way, unceremonoiusly killing off everyone who they deemed dangerous to their future endeavours?
Vote: Winston Hughes, I think it might be you.
classical_hero
04-15-2011, 15:39
And classical as the killer doesn't make too much sense either. In State of Corruption he tended to be rather savvy with his kill choices, not like what we're seeing here.
Thanks for the compliment.
I think that we should go after vote:Believer, since he does not look right to me.
I'm inclined to believe the killers are people who are quite familiar to both CFC and the org.
Why?
Who do I vote for? Who would want to get all of these threats out of the way, unceremonoiusly killing off everyone who they deemed dangerous to their future endeavours?
You mean except for how most of us are unlikely in the extreme to actually go away?
Vote: Winston Hughes, I think it might be you.
Has he actually done anything scummy? What makes you think he's the best bet of that group, other than him already having a few votes, that is?
Greyblades
04-15-2011, 15:55
Vote: diamondeye
God Emperor
04-15-2011, 16:02
actually this apparent connection to cfc which Methos was the first to point out. Would it be possible for someone to make a post with cfc users in this game, the part from the original write up, and the post from cfc that has been refered to ? It would be nice to have it all gathered in one post as it may begin to be more relevant now
robbiecon
04-15-2011, 16:23
Why?
Most of the victims of both the night kills and lynches are prominent members here, and many are quite prominent over on CFC too.
You mean except for how most of us are unlikely in the extreme to actually go away?
This is true, the vast majority of the victims are people who tend to stay active in a game, regardless of their status being living or dead.
Has he actually done anything scummy? What makes you think he's the best bet of that group, other than him already having a few votes, that is?
Winston is one of the people who likes to talk behind the scenes in games. Most of these people seem to be people he might have in his address book. Perhaps he made some slip-ups, or simply wants them out of the way, before they approcah him.
Winston Hughes
04-15-2011, 16:30
fos: robbiecon
I don't want to change my vote before Beefy has had a chance to respond, but you're seriously tempting me here...
Given that your behaviour so far has been quite typical for you as mafia (ie. draw as little attention as possible), I was very close to picking you over Beefy for the vote today, but thought I'd wait to see what your next move was. In the event, your next move has been to be third on a bandwagon with an argument heavier on words than meaning (ie. the opposite of a good case).
If you want to call me out for some scummy behaviour or other, that's fair enough. Though I'm not scum, I'm sure I must have done something that could be seen as suspicious. But to suggest that I should be lynched based solely on kills which Renata (a proven innocent who knows me better than anybody) says I'd be unlikely to choose? To be clear, I don't expect that opinion to win me any trust - even if I wouldn't choose those kills, I could have been paired with someone who would - but making that the sole reason for lynching me is just weak.
Edit: X-Post
Winston is one of the people who likes to talk behind the scenes in games. Most of these people seem to be people he might have in his address book. Perhaps he made some slip-ups, or simply wants them out of the way, before they approcah him.
It hadn't even occurred to me that private conversation is allowed, let alone useful here. Absent any role-info around which to exert pressure, I see no value in talking outside of the thread. If there's something worth saying, why not say it here?
Believer
04-15-2011, 16:32
Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: Diamondeye
I see no other choices standing out.
Diamondeye
04-15-2011, 16:41
Vote: diamondeye
Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: Diamondeye
I see no other choices standing out.
You guys are so awesome :beam:
DELETE_THIS
04-15-2011, 17:41
I'm going to keep my vote: Nictel, at least until we hear from him again. Did a quick tally, and if I didn't miss anyone, the votes stand as...
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
B_Ray: 1 (Chaotix)
Kagemusha: 1 (Believer)
Believer: 1 (God Emporer)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Nictel: 1 (B_Ray)
Quite a spread we got.
Word.
You guys are so awesome :beam:
I want to be awesome too!
Vote: Diamondeye
Actually I fear the shadow.
Unvote: Diamondeye
Vote: Methos
robbiecon
04-15-2011, 17:47
Unvote: Winston Hughes
Change of heart.
actually this apparent connection to cfc which Methos was the first to point out. Would it be possible for someone to make a post with cfc users in this game, the part from the original write up, and the post from cfc that has been refered to ? It would be nice to have it all gathered in one post as it may begin to be more relevant now
Just to be clear in case my post above was missed, ATPG stated to me via PM that he has mentioned those comments in the backroom here at the org and others have stated that they've heard it as well outside of CFC. Therefore the original statement I made about it being a CFC OT thing is incorrect.
I'm inclined towards Nictel and Believer, but since I don't trust B_Ray, I'll Vote: Believer.
Current Votes:
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
Believer: 4 (God Emporer, Chaotix, Classical_Hero, Methos)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Nictel: 2 (B_Ray, Skooma Addict)
Winston: 2 (Beefy187, Saregona,)
Beefy: 1 (Winston)
Diamondeye: 2 (Greyblades, Believer)
Methos: 1 (Nictel)
Diamondeye
04-15-2011, 20:18
Current Votes:
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
Believer: 4 (God Emporer, Chaotix, Classical_Hero, Methos)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Nictel: 2 (B_Ray, Skooma Addict)
Winston: 2 (Beefy187, Saregona,)
Beefy: 1 (Winston)
Diamondeye: 2 (Greyblades, Believer)
Methos: 1 (Nictel)
((You should probably ignore the votes on me, seeing as I am not in the game. Check the last update for confirmation :tongue:))
Unvote: Winston Hughes
Change of heart.
Why?
Believer: 4
Chaotix: 2
>_>
Day 5
Chief of Police Andres left the police building and found several townies in disguise.
"I, Myrddraal, will vote Diamondeye!"
"Nono, Diamondeye isn't in the game. I, for one, will vote Diamondeye!"
"But Sasaki, you just said he's not in the game!"
"I did, Sigurd?"
"Yes Lemur, you did!"
"Oh my, how silly of me," Seamus Fermanagh said, "well then Kommodus, I will then vote Diamondeye."
The chief of police looked very confused. He looked at the bottle he was carrying in his hand.
"HEINEKEN!!!!"
He threw the bottle and three grenades after it far away. While the grenades were still exploding, he fired several rockets in the same direction. Then he jumped in his private jet and bombarded the bottle of Heineken for good measure. After his landing, everything was back to normal and the townies pushed Believer forward.
"Are you really Believer?"
"Yes sir! And, if I may, I want to state, for the record, that I am not..."
BANG!
A shot between the eyes ended Believers' tirade.
The Chief of Police tiptoed around the dead body and then carefully walked back to the police building, murmuring "it's not a bottle of Heineken, it's not a bottle of Heineken, oh god, a bottle of Heinken, help, help..."
***
Tally
Believer: 4 (God Emporer, Chaotix, Classical_Hero, Methos) :skull:
Chaotix: 2 (Kagemusha, Subotan)
Nictel: 2 (B_Ray, Skooma Addict)
Winston: 2 (Beefy187, Saregona,)
Diamond "IT'S ALWAYS HIM, EVEN IF HE DOESN'T PLAY!!"eye: 2 (Greyblades, Believer)
Saregona: 1 (johnhughthom)
Beefy: 1 (Winston)
Methos: 1 (Nictel)
Not voting: 4 (Captain Blackadder, BK, Scienter, robbiecon)
***
Alive (18)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Captain Blackadder
Beefy187
Saregona
B Ray
classical hero
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (8)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Lynched (4)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
WoG (0)
***
It's night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 24 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2011, 22:10
You should have lynched Myrddraal.
Skooma Addict
04-15-2011, 22:32
Why?
Nervous twitch.
robbiecon
04-16-2011, 01:01
Why?
I was happy with his response, and seeing that I just pulled Winston out of the list I had, I deemed it unfair to follow through when I was happy enough with his reaction.
Beefy187
04-16-2011, 01:39
Kill analysis is one of the method, but its not the most effective.
It gets more accurate as the game progresses.
I chose Winston just because I havn't been in a game with him that often.
But if he was in that many game, then I would have to change my target. Even if its amusing to continue this OMGUS war :curtain:
Also it may be a good strategy to off the vets first.
But you wouldn't kill ATPG on night 1 because its not amusing to kill him early so often. And killing will enforce his opinion.
DiY is okay to kill early (Strategically sorry DIY :D) because he comes up with a massive analysis and its a good idea to attempt to take away his interest in the game by killing early.
Believer
04-16-2011, 03:21
Oh darn..
I had been awake for slightly over 24 hours when I voted, I went straight to bed after that. Silly me!
I'll be around though...
Nobody likes you when you're dead
It just ain't right
Just 'cause I'm biting on your head, there's no need to be impolite
classical_hero
04-16-2011, 14:47
That is classic how Diamondeye got votes on him when not playing. Once a mafia, always a mafia I say. :D
Night 5
Saregona entered the restaurant Antonio, wearing a bullet proof vest and a helmet and carrying six handguns and two shotguns.
There was only waiter and he looked surprised. One would think nobody would be foolish enough ever to set foot in that restaurant again, but there he was: a customer. Armed to the teeth.
"Hello," Saregona said, and he walked over to a table, sat down, looked up and said: "Hello. Pizza Quatro formaggi, thank you."
The waiter looked at Saregona. "Nothing to drink?"
"Hello. Just some sparkling water. Thank you."
"Look pal, Antonio is famous for its' spaghetti bolognaise and its' excellent Chianti, why don't you order that?"
"Hello. Pizza and sparkling water will do. Thank you."
"You know, you don't have to greet me every time you talk to me."
"Hello. Indeed, I don't. Thank you."
"Are you making fun of me?"
"Hello. No."
The waiter started to get angry. "Anyway, you should really try out the spaghetti bolognaise."
"Hello. No, pizza and sparkling water, please. Thank you," Saregona said, subtly putting two of his handguns on the table.
"Ok, have it your way," the waiter said.
20 minutes later, he walked over to Saregona's table, carrying a plate of spaghetti bologanise and a bottle of Chianti.
"Hello. I orderd pizza and sparkling water. Thank you."
"You did? Oh, I must have misunderstood. No big deal I guess, as this is our specialty and you should really try it."
"Hello. No. Pizza and sparkling water, please. Thank you."
The mafioso hit Saregona on the head with the bottle of Chianti which caused the bottle to break. He didn't give Saregona any time to recover and threw the hot spaghetti bolognaise over his head. A garotte appeared in his hands and he kicked Saregona several times. While he was at the ground, yelling "hello, hello, hello!" in agony, the mafioso started to strangle Saregona, yelling "I TOLD YOU TO ORDER SPAGHETTI, YOU FOOL!!!"
***
Beefy187 was sitting in his garden, enjoying his beefsteak, covered in self-made pepper sauce. The cuisson was perfect. Saignant, as he loved it. While enjoying his steak, he looked at the park. Indeed, his beautiful Japanese garden offered him a perfect view on the towns' park.
He never knew that the bullet that hit him between the eyes was fired from an M25.
***
Day 6.
Chief of Police Andres got up early to mow his lawn that day. Unfortunately, the electric machine broke down 15 minutes after he had started. He tried to fix it, but soon got frustrated by his failed attempts. Rage took over as he realised his carefully planned Saturday would be ruined.
He gave his lawn an angry look.
"IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, YOU DAMN GRASS!!! IF YOU WOULD JUST STOP GROWING AT A HEIGHT OF EXACTLY 4.5 CENTIMETERS, I WOULDN'T BE HERE IN THIS SITUATION!!!"
He ran inside the police station and came out, carrying a flame thrower.
"DIE YOU GREEN LITTLE PESTS! DIE! DIE! DIE!"
After the flamethrower was empty, he fired 5000 bullets in his lawn with an exclusive prototype machine gun and then threw 50 grenades at it to conclude with 300 kilogram of dynamite.
Finally satisfied, he looked up at the townies who were waiting, a wee bit of a troubled look on their faces.
"Hm. Right. Saregona died while refusing a plate of spaghetti and Beefy187 while enjoying a steak. Maybe you all should just stop eating in order to survive this."
He waved his hands.
"Go, go, go, start voting."
***
Alive (16)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Captain Blackadder
B Ray
classical hero
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (10)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Beefy187
Saregona
Lynched (4)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
WoG (0)
***
It's day. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2011, 22:11
Dead finger of suspicion: robbiecon
edit- I changed my dead mind.
Scienter
04-16-2011, 22:57
Dead finger of suspicion: robbiecon
edit- I changed my dead mind.
Who is more suspicious, Robbiecon or Winston Hughes?
Hilarious write-up for Saregona. :laugh4:
Beefy187
04-17-2011, 00:10
Who is more suspicious, Robbiecon or Winston Hughes?
You look quite guilty to me :curtain:
Marinate: Scienter
Vote:Chaotix
Pissed out of my mind at 2:15 AM I am not in a state to elaborate upon this further than the explanations I have already given
Who am i?
04-17-2011, 02:19
Hello.
I dead. What can I do now?
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2011, 03:17
Hello.
I dead. What can I do now?
Say good-bye. :beam:
Meanwhile, I suspect Robbiecon more than Winston Hughes.
classical_hero
04-17-2011, 03:41
They both could be guilty.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2011, 03:44
They both could be guilty.
But are they? And what about yourself, classical_hero? Your noncommittal post gives me all kinds of red flags.
I know you're not feeling well, but even taking that into account, I am feeling bad mojo from you of the guilty guilty scummery kind.
Scienter
04-17-2011, 03:47
You look quite guilty to me :curtain:
Marinate: Scienter
Could I be steamed in wine instead?
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2011, 03:58
Well that game was certainly very different type of mafia that I think has been tried, but mistakes were made, not just by that certain someone. Anyway, I don't like the look of that vote:classical_hero guy. He just looks suspicious to me.
Self votes are typical of very few players. I'm not sure classical is one of those. It avoids pressuring any suspect at all, and also gives people WIFOM reasons not to vote for you. It's totally unproductive, but more than that, it just seems like a twitch of nervousness painted up like jokeyness and apathy.
Thanks for the laughs. Why should we be voting for Kagemusha? If you are wrong, then we should be going after the guy who suggested it. vote:Kagemusha
Seems as though you're eager to lynch two people in a row who aren't you.
Your votes so far are unfocused.
We shall see if there is one less kill or not, otherwise I think we should go for one of the two people the dead have suggested.
Are you planting ideas out there which sound like they're townie ideas, but really just lead to the deaths of a couple innocents?
Thanks for the compliment.
I think that we should go after vote:Believer, since he does not look right to me.
This is in response to Chaotix' theory that the kills have nothing to do with classical_hero.
I don't see it. His partner could be choosing the kills, firstly, and secondly, perhaps the mafia are trying a different strategy in this game because there is so little to go on, that it is basically impossible to reverse a wagon. There will never be any defense. So, the mafia could be trying to take out certain players who lead the discussion in a certain direction, hoping their early deaths will shut them up or make them lose interest, or at the very least, help the scums survive a few rounds longer than they otherwise might.
It's also good WIFOM, which is something classical_hero has already demonstrated this game that he's very much interested in. The vote on Believer is more unfocused, reasonless voting, which seems to indicate he doesn't really think anyone is guilty, he's just wandering from suspect to suspect. He also seems to be picking folks who may not OMGUS vote back.
Himself, dcmort, Believer, etc.
That is classic how Diamondeye got votes on him when not playing. Once a mafia, always a mafia I say. :D
You're loving the chaos, aren't ya?
Classical_hero, you're my first serious suspect in this game, congratulations. You're pushing all my buttons, man.
Well I'll back you up for now since you don't have a vote, ATPG.
Vote: classical_hero
But this is largely until more votes and options appear.
I am wary of Subotan and B_Ray, currently.
Skooma Addict
04-17-2011, 06:55
I'm going to offer you a different option.
Vote: Renata, it is most uncharacteristic of her to miss a vote.
This feels like manufactured reasoning to vote for someone. Many players this game have missed votes this game unfortunately. A presumptuous interpretation could be that you're looking for a safe vote that wouldn't gather too much ire or suspicion. Quickly forgotten or overlooked, and it was.
So, my conclusion is that either andres RNG'd it, or Kagemusha is scum.
Tomorrow is another day though. (I will remember I'm playing this game tomorrow)
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. Especially when Believer made this post...
You may thank me now.
Giving the impression he was responsible. But that doesn't grab my attention. The bolded portion does, however. If I'm not mistake, no one was questioning your attendance or absence, thus you made an excuse needlessly. Scum are very self-conscious of things like this.
I'm inclined to believe the killers are people who are quite familiar to both CFC and the org. There are some people who fit into both categories IMO. Others will say I fit into both.
I'm more inclined to think of either Winston Hughes, Methos (who's a moderator over on CFC), johnhughthom, and Skooma Addict, classical_hero and Nictel are over there too. (I guess there's more, but you don't spring to mind)
Who do I vote for? Who would want to get all of these threats out of the way, unceremonoiusly killing off everyone who they deemed dangerous to their future endeavours?
Vote: Winston Hughes, I think it might be you.
I'm not stating that I know Winston as intimately as JHT, but townie networking isn't something that screams out at me when I see his name. Nothing necessarily scummy here, I'm just curious as to why you chose him and why you think all the scums are cfc players. Why not just one of them? Or possibly none?
Most of the victims of both the night kills and lynches are prominent members here, and many are quite prominent over on CFC too.
This is true, the vast majority of the victims are people who tend to stay active in a game, regardless of their status being living or dead.
Winston is one of the people who likes to talk behind the scenes in games. Most of these people seem to be people he might have in his address book. Perhaps he made some slip-ups, or simply wants them out of the way, before they approcah him.
Pretty much the same response as above. Too lazy to delete.
Unvote: Winston Hughes
Change of heart.
After your confident vote, you suddenly unvote due to this response?(albeit a good response by Winston)
fos: robbiecon
I don't want to change my vote before Beefy has had a chance to respond, but you're seriously tempting me here...
Given that your behaviour so far has been quite typical for you as mafia (ie. draw as little attention as possible), I was very close to picking you over Beefy for the vote today, but thought I'd wait to see what your next move was. In the event, your next move has been to be third on a bandwagon with an argument heavier on words than meaning (ie. the opposite of a good case).
If you want to call me out for some scummy behaviour or other, that's fair enough. Though I'm not scum, I'm sure I must have done something that could be seen as suspicious. But to suggest that I should be lynched based solely on kills which Renata (a proven innocent who knows me better than anybody) says I'd be unlikely to choose? To be clear, I don't expect that opinion to win me any trust - even if I wouldn't choose those kills, I could have been paired with someone who would - but making that the sole reason for lynching me is just weak.
Edit: X-Post
It hadn't even occurred to me that private conversation is allowed, let alone useful here. Absent any role-info around which to exert pressure, I see no value in talking outside of the thread. If there's something worth saying, why not say it here?
Mister Robbie is called out for familiar scummy behavior and immediately backs down without placing another vote. Not even from his list of CFC'ers he listed earlier. It looks like nerves.
I was happy with his response, and seeing that I just pulled Winston out of the list I had, I deemed it unfair to follow through when I was happy enough with his reaction.
I suppose that's fair enough, but why didn't you point a finger at another name on the list that you got Winston off of?
Superficially, it may make more sense for me to vote for Robbie, but there's something in my tummy that still says Nictel is funny. He overreacted to two quick votes early in the game, but hasn't responded to any votes on him since, including my several votes on him which shows great inconsistencies which could be because he hasn't paid much attention to the game thread, but I would rather place a vote instead of relenting just yet. Robbie, you have my eye good Ser.
Vote: Nictel
Safos: Robbiecon
classical_hero
04-17-2011, 07:36
Self votes are typical of very few players. I'm not sure classical is one of those. It avoids pressuring any suspect at all, and also gives people WIFOM reasons not to vote for you. It's totally unproductive, but more than that, it just seems like a twitch of nervousness painted up like jokeyness and apathy.
Seems as though you're eager to lynch two people in a row who aren't you.
Your votes so far are unfocused.
Are you planting ideas out there which sound like they're townie ideas, but really just lead to the deaths of a couple innocents?
This is in response to Chaotix' theory that the kills have nothing to do with classical_hero.
I don't see it. His partner could be choosing the kills, firstly, and secondly, perhaps the mafia are trying a different strategy in this game because there is so little to go on, that it is basically impossible to reverse a wagon. There will never be any defense. So, the mafia could be trying to take out certain players who lead the discussion in a certain direction, hoping their early deaths will shut them up or make them lose interest, or at the very least, help the scums survive a few rounds longer than they otherwise might.
It's also good WIFOM, which is something classical_hero has already demonstrated this game that he's very much interested in. The vote on Believer is more unfocused, reasonless voting, which seems to indicate he doesn't really think anyone is guilty, he's just wandering from suspect to suspect. He also seems to be picking folks who may not OMGUS vote back.
Himself, dcmort, Believer, etc.
You're loving the chaos, aren't ya?
Classical_hero, you're my first serious suspect in this game, congratulations. You're pushing all my buttons, man.
OH Noes. ATPG has fingered me. You are always 100% correct in your suspicions. I am thinking that vote:Robbiecon is a bit suspicious to me.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2011, 09:30
OH Noes. ATPG has fingered me. You are always 100% correct in your suspicions.
Just want to point out that this is the equivalent of rolleyes and that means you're scummy scummy scum, by rule. :laugh4:
Believer
04-17-2011, 13:55
Thanks for the compliment.
I think that we should go after vote:Believer, since he does not look right to me.
Weak vote.
Picking off me is very easy to do. Evidently I cannot defend myself very well and without any further reasoning or even referencing any other cause, this is a wierd vote. Quite possibly to tip the favor off of someone else.
OK theory, but you should really specify *who*.
Just want to point out that this is the equivalent of rolleyes and that means you're scummy scummy scum, by rule. :laugh4:
"And apparently, ATPG is always right. :rolleyes:"- Scum.
Guilty. :devilish:
Dun dun dunnnnn
robbiecon
04-17-2011, 14:27
Well, my main response to Skooma is, first of all my post about "remembering that I'm playing this game tomorrow" was mainly for Andres' benefit. He had had to remind my that the game was ongoing, and just encouraging me to post more. I chose Winston for my vote, because, given that he already had votes on him, my vote would actually put some pressure on him, and cause a reaction. A vote on just about any of the others on the list would probably not have gone anywhere, at least not yesterday.
Continuing onwards. I do not need to make the points that ATPG has already done. I'll add on to it however, that classical_hero has definitely gone "Yeah, whatever" to ATPG's post, and then gone on to vote for whom he deems as a reasonably safe bet to get lynched, ie. me. My name is on many people's tongues, and he perhaps feels that if he gets the ball rolling, others will follow, and actually come out and place their votes on me. Other people who come in, and perhaps will just be throwing their vote down, see I'm being mentioned by most, see classical's vote, and say "yeah, scumtastic, vote:robbie".
So here's a vote right back at you c_h.
Vote: classical_hero
classical_hero
04-17-2011, 14:31
That is such an OMGUS vote. A sign of guilt. I do not need to present any more evidence.
Scienter
04-17-2011, 16:29
Vote: Robbiecon. His vote for renata was weird and since we didn't lynch her maybe he had her killed that night.
God Emperor
04-17-2011, 20:03
No I would say it sounds strange that Robbiecon would withdraw his vote due to a nervous reaction, , as Robbiecon was not at all the lynch target. He also never found a new lynch target, so it can not have been a withdrawn vote to save a mafia buddy. As he does not find a new person to vote I would say it is even more unlikely that we are dealing with nerves here. In other words the vote is being removed without any apparent scummy connection imo, as there is no gain. Therefore it is morel likely that it is an honest choice.
this has been a very slow round, sorry for not showing up, but it would appear that there are two candidates; Classical Hero and Robbiecon.
So let's Vote: Classical Hero
@Methos, the case on Chaotix, it is based on a gut feeling that he avoided you on purpose right? If there is much more to it, then I have somehow missed it, and then I would like/suggest if you posted the whole case :)
Edit: I would also begin to concider Scienter as lynch target
20 minutes left.
Only 7 people bothered to vote this round. Not impressed.
dcmort93
04-17-2011, 20:53
Edit: I would also begin to concider Scienter as lynch target
I have to agree with this esp. as it is almost exactly what got me lynched but it could be WIFOM
Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.
Day6
Chief of Police Andres came outside of the police building, feeling fresh and strong and proud about his mowed lawn.
Much to his surprise, not many people showed up.
One of them soon started to regret he had bothered to show up, as he was deemed to be guilty.
"classical_hero, do you have some last words to share?"
classical_hero started shaking his head.
"Good," Andres said. "Interesting last words. I'd like to add the following: green is he who plays the violin while flying towards the sunset, but only in the morning, after a cup of hot motor oil."
After these legendary words, Andres drew a sword and shot classical_hero between the eyes with the handgun he was holding in his other hand.
"Good night."
***
Tally
classcial_hero: 3 (God Emperor, robbiecon, Chaotix) :skull:
robbiecon: 2 (Scienter, classical_hero)
Nictel: 1 (Skooma Addict)
Chaotix: 1 (Subotan)
Not voting: 9 (Kagemusha, Winston Hughes, Greyblades, Nictel, Methos, Byz Knight, B_Ray, Captain Blackadder, JHT)
***
Alive (15)
Subotan
johnhughthom
Captain Blackadder
B Ray
Byzantine Knight
Methos
Nictel
Scienter
Chaotix
Skooma Addict
robbiecon
Winston Hughes
Greyblades
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Killed (10)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Beefy187
Saregona
Lynched (5)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
classical hero
WoG (0)
***
It's night. PM's please. Night will last +/- 24 hours.
Greyblades
04-17-2011, 22:13
Ugh my head...
Sorry I missed the round I was woken up early and attened a reunion, after getting back I went back to sleep and, well, I didnt wake up untill an hour ago. Now I've got a headache as large as krillin's losing streak.
ByzantineKnight
04-17-2011, 22:34
Ugh my head...
Sorry I missed the round I was woken up early and attened a reunion, after getting back I went back to sleep and, well, I didnt wake up untill an hour ago. Now I've got a headache as large as krillin's losing streak.
This. Except I just fell asleep after work.
Sorry Andres. :shame:
Who am i?
04-17-2011, 22:58
Now I've got a headache as large as krillin's losing streak.
Hello.
Krillin has a losing streak. But I destructo disk.
johnhughthom
04-17-2011, 23:46
Gah, sorry Andres. Busy day today...
Sorry guys, was out of town for the weekend. Tried to stay up to date, but didn't make a decision in time.
Greyblades
04-18-2011, 00:09
Hello.
Krillin has a losing streak. But I destructo disk.
Its a reference to the dragon ball z abridged series.
Scienter
04-18-2011, 00:14
Its a reference to the dragon ball z abridged series.
Wow, I don't even understand the explanation to Saregona's post. :inquisitive: *feels old*
Greyblades
04-18-2011, 01:17
Wow, I don't even understand the explanation to Saregona's post. :inquisitive: *feels old*
Eh we've got a day to burn here's an explanation:
Its a parody dub of Dragon ball Z made by a tem of voice actors called team fourstar (which can be found here (http://www.teamfourstar.com/page-episodes)) Theres a running gag that krillin has lost so many fights the show is keeping score and its gotten into the double digits by 15 episodes.
Captain Blackadder
04-18-2011, 02:05
Damn it I got up this morning planning to vote but the round was over. Damn you timezones.
Askthepizzaguy
04-18-2011, 05:41
one of the scumbags voted that round, I am theorizing.
Focus on the players who were active that round.
one of the scumbags voted that round, I am theorizing.
Focus on the players who were active that round.
I'm not so sure about that, but I know one thing: with a vote tally that small in magnitude, there's no way the mafia let their partner get lynched. So either we were close and they stepped in to change it, in which case robbiecon and God Emperor (or, objectively, me) are mafia. Or, we were way off and the mafia sat back and laughed at us.
Askthepizzaguy
04-18-2011, 07:04
Give me another phase or two, and I will take a real close look at everyone in the game. It's still a bit early for my analyses to be fruitful methinks, without reveals.
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