Bill Clinton is President again...

[Devastatin Dave]

Its good to have the first "black" president back where he belongs...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/10/obama_ditches_tax_cut_presser_after_bill_clinton_takes_control.html
Even though i think Clinton is a disgrace, it was good to see a guy who actually liked being president actually handle things like a mature adult. Barry should take a few notes, but he's too busy living it up while he can on the tax payers dime. The biggest scandal is Barry getting as far as he has. This is affirmative action on steroids....

[a completely inoffensive name]

Inaccurate? Check. Extreme? Check. Racist? Check. You should get yourself a radio show DD.

[Devastatin Dave]

What did I say that was racist? face it, the Boy Prince just isn't up to the task. And the "first black president" is a reference to Bill Clinton who was described in that manner by the NAACP.
Lack of reading comprehension? Check. Attempt to race bait in order to distract the seriousness of an unqaulified president? Check. :daisy:

[Beskar]

It's nice that in America, it is always the same people incharge. It is like having a monarchy.

[HoreTore]

Unqualified president? After having first a senile ex-actor as president and then an uneducated junkie, you call a highly educated lawyer unqualified...?

I call this unqualified criticism.

[Devastatin Dave]

you call a highly educated lawyer unqualified...?

I call this unqualified criticism.

Where's the proof of that? We do know that Obama actually did coke and other drugs as he bragged about it in his books that he supposedly wrote. You show me Barry's grades and transcripts from college and I'll show you some cheese from the moon.
Did you even watch the video? This guy is pathetic. This "lawyer" didn't even bother to give an opening statement to the court before he bolted. If you think this makes him a qualified executive by having a retiree address this country's economic plans then you need your head examined. I know you Euros just love our smiling, teleprompter reading, Soros puppet, but we're getting less enthused by the minute. You guys can have him. I think he would fit right in with the rest of the muslims that are taking over your lands...

[Devastatin Dave]

Are any of you going to address the video? Can any of you actually defend this pathetic display of leadership?:help:

[Beskar]

I think he would fit right in with the rest of the muslims that are taking over your lands...

:no:

You have your right to address your concern with the President, but saying comments like the above just makes you look like a fool. He isn't even a muslim, so "fitting right in.."

I now will dismiss your entire post as "Glenn Beck Rant".

[Devastatin Dave]

:no:

You have your right to address your concern with the President, but saying comments like the above just makes you look like a fool. He isn't even a muslim, so "fitting right in.."

I now will dismiss your entire post as "Glenn Beck Rant".

We are all muslims...
http://www.islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm
Now address my post. maybe you can do like Barry did and get someone to type a response for you.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Where's the proof of that? We do know that Obama actually did coke and other drugs as he bragged about it in his books that he supposedly wrote. You show me Barry's grades and transcripts from college and I'll show you some cheese from the moon.

Did you even watch the video? This guy is pathetic. This "lawyer" didn't even bother to give an opening statement to the court before he bolted. If you think this makes him a qualified executive by having a retiree address this country's economic plans then you need your head examined. I know you Euros just love our smiling, teleprompter reading, Soros puppet, but we're getting less enthused by the minute. You guys can have him. I think he would fit right in with the rest of the muslims that are taking over your lands...I love you so much it hurts. :smitten:


Are any of you going to address the video? Can any of you actually defend this pathetic display of leadership?:help:Sure, I'll defend it: Bill was the greatest post-war president, and you people should've changed the constitution so he could've be president still. Failing such forward thinking, you all should've elected the next best thing, miss Clinton.

[Devastatin Dave]

I love you so much it hurts. :smitten:

Sure, I'll defend it: Bill was the greatest post-war president, and you people should've changed the constitution so he could've be president still. Failing such forward thinking, you all should've elected the next best thing, miss Clinton.

Thank you for actually discussing the topic on hand. I would have voted for Hillary. I like how she does things. Sure, she's a progressive but she atleast has a set on her and likes to get her hands dirty.

[a completely inoffensive name]

What did I say that was racist? face it, the Boy Prince just isn't up to the task. And the "first black president" is a reference to Bill Clinton who was described in that manner by the NAACP.
Lack of reading comprehension? Check. Attempt to race bait in order to distract the seriousness of an unqaulified president? Check.

It's obviously you are one of the completely deluded right wingers so I don't blame you for spouting for connotations without realizing what they mean. Let begin with your question:

What did I say that was racist? This: Its good to have the first "black" president back where he belongs... By labeling Clinton as the first "black" president you are putting a connotation or meaning behind what a "black" president is "supposed" to "be". What did Clinton do that made him "black"? Right wing started calling him that because he had sex with someone in the White House and and started continuing perpetuating the long held idea of the "savage" black, fighting and having sex with all the white women. See the movie: "Birth of a Nation". The NAACP might have created the term because they felt Clinton was actually responding to the needs of the poor (unlike the right wing powerhouse presidents before him) but since then the right wing has re appropriated the term like most terms in the discourse, see "socialist", "fascist", "kenyan".

Lol unqualified, I can talk about a lot of stuff he has done, I can explain why he has already done more then Bush in 8 years but you wouldn't listen anyway.

[HoreTore]

We are all muslims...
http://www.islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm
Now address my post coward. maybe you can do like Barry did and get someone to type a response for you.

Why on earth is a press conference thingy like that an issue....? i don't see a need to make a proper response to utter nonsense.

[gaelic cowboy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPIsTKpAoE4&feature=related

[Devastatin Dave]

Yawn... This year the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to an empty chair, last year, an empty suit. Enjoy the next 2 years.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Yawn... This year the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to an empty chair, last year, an empty suit. Enjoy the next 2 years.

Dave is back.:2thumbsup: Unfortunately DD, not only did the Dems stick with the same Congressional leadership, so did the dumb-bleep Republicans. Hopefully the Dems will shoot down this Stimulus II Porkulus Monster *another $trillion added to the debt with lotsa earmarks* disquised as a "tax deal". The Republicans are absolute fools for agreeing to it instead of waiting till next month when they have the majority and can get a much better deal. Constituents to the Republican Party, remember why you were voted back into office? STOP THE SPENDING:furious3:

[Devastatin Dave]

Dave is back.:2thumbsup: Unfortunately DD, not only did the Dems stick with the same Congressional leadership, so did the dumb-bleep Republicans. Hopefully the Dems will shoot down this Stimulus II Porkulus Monster *another $trillion added to the debt with lotsa earmarks* disquised as a "tax deal". The Republicans are absolute fools for agreeing to it instead of waiting till next month when they have the majority and can get a much better deal. Constituents to the Republican Party, remember why you were voted back into office? STOP THE SPENDING:furious3:

This last primary was my last time voting. Nothing will change as long as the same people are sent to represent us. Beskar is 100%, the US has its own Monarchy and we are to blame for establishing their rulership over us.
But still, Barry Soetoro is a joke and it amazes me that people still think he's some kind of brilliant messiah come to heal the wounds of all humanity.

[a completely inoffensive name]

How about you address my post?

[miotas]

Is Bill drunk in that video?

[Yoyoma1910]

This "lawyer" didn't even bother to give an opening statement to the court before he bolted.


If you want to discuss the press conference, why don't you watch the whole thing?

Press Briefing with President Obama and President Clinton (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=132063)

[PanzerJaeger]

By labeling Clinton as the first "black" president you are putting a connotation or meaning behind what a "black" president is "supposed" to "be". What did Clinton do that made him "black"? Right wing started calling him that because he had sex with someone in the White House and and started continuing perpetuating the long held idea of the "savage" black, fighting and having sex with all the white women. See the movie: "Birth of a Nation".

Wow, from this one statement...


Its good to have the first "black" president back where he belongs...

...you were able to read all of that into it. You even made a tenuous connection to "Birth of a Nation". Impressive.

Of course, he neither said nor implied any of that.

[Husar]

Wow, from this one statement...



...you were able to read all of that into it. You even made a tenuous connection to "Birth of a Nation". Impressive.

Of course, he neither said nor implied any of that.

I read a completely different thing into it, basically that he thought that Obama is back where he belongs as in not on that podium/in the presidency, it's what you get for making such statements that are full of american party-war propaganda. Now you'll probably say that since he said "black" and not just black it should be obvious that he didn't mean Obama but then the conservatives made a huge fuss about how he isn't really black in the strictest sense anyway etc....
Saying a black guy doesn't belong on the presidential seat and making it look like him being black is the only factor for that surely looks racist but then the post is almost as cryptic as some of Fragony's masterpieces so I could have easily misunderstood it. ~;)

[Devastatin Dave]

I read a completely different thing into it, basically that he thought that Obama is back where he belongs as in not on that podium/in the presidency, it's what you get for making such statements that are full of american party-war propaganda. Now you'll probably say that since he said "black" and not just black it should be obvious that he didn't mean Obama but then the conservatives made a huge fuss about how he isn't really black in the strictest sense anyway etc....
Saying a black guy doesn't belong on the presidential seat and making it look like him being black is the only factor for that surely looks racist but then the post is almost as cryptic as some of Fragony's masterpieces so I could have easily misunderstood it. ~;)
Toni Morrison-
"Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas."[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison

Check yo-self...

[Devastatin Dave]

How about you address my post?

see above...

[Ser Clegane]

I suggest that going forward evrybody refrains from personal attacks and follows our general rules.

Thanks

:bow:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Toni Morrison-
"Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas."[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison

Check yo-self...

"People misunderstood that phrase. I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated, vis-à-vis the sex scandal that was surrounding him. I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp. I have no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison

Check yo-self.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Wow, from this one statement...

...you were able to read all of that into it. You even made a tenuous connection to "Birth of a Nation". Impressive.

Of course, he neither said nor implied any of that.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were his speaker. Whenever I challenge his statements should I go to you for clarification on what they mean?

[PanzerJaeger]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were his speaker. Whenever I challenge his statements should I go to you for clarification on what they mean?

Dave certainly needs no one to speak for him.

I was genuinely impressed at your ability to infer from that innocuous twelve word statement such a long, clichéd racial diatribe culminating in - wait for it - a reference to "Birth of a Nation"! It was truly beautiful.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Clinton himself has always embraced the title of 'first Black president'. Although I would assume he had the good instinct not to use the phrase himself. But he certainly embraced it and had it used to great political effect.

He is proud of it, and perhaps rightly so. He did connect with many Black Americans, they felt comfortable around him, andf he felt comfortable around them. Clinton's always had genuine Black friends, Blacks featured prominently in his personal entourage. As president, he did a lot to make them feel fully part of America.


Clinton Honored As 'First Black President' at Black Caucus Dinner

Former President Bill Clinton was honored as the nation's first black president Saturday at the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) Annual Awards Dinner on in Washington, DC.

The chair of the all-Democratic caucus, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Tex.), told the crowd that Clinton "took so many initiatives he made us think for a while we had elected the first black president."

[...]

Clinton told CNSNews.com he was honored to be considered America's "first black president."

"I think it's a function of the work I have done, not just as president, but my whole public life to try to bridge the racial divide and the fact that even when I was a little boy I had friends who were African-American," he explained.

Clinton said that while he misses being president he has "a wonderful life now and I had the time that was allocated to me under the Constitution." He explained, "I have no regrets and I'm trying to go on and play a constructive role as a citizen now and I am quite happy with it."

He added, "I am happy in Harlem and I am honored to be thought of as the first black president."

[Devastatin Dave]

I got four warnings for this thread. You can all suck it. All my posts were factual and because I pointed out the faults of a unqualified "leader" that the Europeans haved crowned a diety, I cannot post things that have been posted a thousand times before in the history of the backroom. Are you kidding me? Unbelievable. If any people should get warnings its those that have used mental gymnastics to paint my posts as racist. Who are the real racist? The people that state truths or those that only see racism in truth? Who are the ones that are truelly open minded? Not like any of this matters, its been like this since I first started posting in here. later....

[Devastatin Dave]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were his speaker. Whenever I challenge his statements should I go to you for clarification on what they mean?

Kinda like Clinton speaking for Obama, the original intent of the entire thread ... Did you ever watch the video of the "president" basically running away to go out on a date when my country is going the path of Greece and having a president from 3 administrations ago to answer for this administrations policies...

[Devastatin Dave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAvQp-Uk5I

I await my warning for existing....:juggle2:

[Yoyoma1910]

Kinda like Clinton speaking for Obama, the original intent of the entire thread ...

Now now, we get to hear Obama's opinion all the time. Sometimes it's nice to hear from other people as well.

The President came out and anounced he had an event to attend, and that he would let the press speak with Clinton over the topics they disscussed. He then left to keep his appointments.

Also, Obama won the presidency because he knew how to speak to people in a calm and understandable way, that let people feel that he understood and could master the situation. His opponents also all seemed to be towing along some baggage which isolated them from many voters that would have otherwise likely voted for them. It really had little to do with "Affirmative Action" or "Steroids."

[Louis VI the Fat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAvQp-Uk5I

I await my warning for existing....:juggle2:Yes, well Dave, just because you are Black doesn't mean you should expect privileges around here. :no:

I'm very dissapointed you couldn't resist pulling out your race card again. :smash:



https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff79/freebirdny/PICS/obamaracecard-1-LARGE.jpg

[HoreTore]

I'm very dissapointed you couldn't resist pulling out your race card again.

Well at least he isn't pulling out the same "thing" you pull out every chance you get......

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well at least he isn't pulling out the same "thing" you pull out every chance you get......

Em... this is DevDave you are talking about, you know.

[Devastatin Dave]

Em... this is DevDave you are talking about, you know.

I raise the battle cry... HOW LONG IS YOUR DONG!!!!

[PanzerJaeger]

https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff79/freebirdny/PICS/obamaracecard-1-LARGE.jpg

Love it. :laugh4:

[The Stranger]

saDD saDDer saDDest XDD

[Louis VI the Fat]

HOW LONG IS YOUR DONG!!!!Crazed Rabbit, Husar and Louis walk into The Guinness Book of world records HQ.

Rabbit claims he has the world's smallest biceps. Husar claims he has the world's smallest chest. Louis claims he has the world's smallest penis.

Rabbit goes in for testing first. A bit later, he emerges triumphantly: 'wow, I really have the world's smallest arm muscles!' Husar's next. After being tested by the Guinness Book, he comes out: 'wow, I really have the world's least manly chest!'
Louis goes in. Soon, loud screaming is heard. As Louis storms out he shouts: "WHO THE **** IS THIS JUSTIN BIEBER!?'

[a completely inoffensive name]

Dave certainly needs no one to speak for him.

I was genuinely impressed at your ability to infer from that innocuous twelve word statement such a long, clichéd racial diatribe culminating in - wait for it - a reference to "Birth of a Nation"! It was truly beautiful.

Thank you, it's almost as impressive as your ability to interpret any act of Obama as a failure. I'm sure when Santa comes by the White House to give Obama's children presents, you will be screaming about how much of it was on the taxpayer's dime.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Dave:

Obama's choice to use President Clinton as spokesperson was one of the shrewder tactics I have seen him employ. Whoever had the idea should get a bonus.

At the moment, Obama is tarred, rightly or wrongly, with the results of November's elections. He is being forced into a deal on an issue he disagrees with -- but knows full well that to NOT do a deal now, when he does have a goodly cadre of Dem votes, however lame-ducked, is likely to get him less of what he seeks long term. So, how to sell it to the faithful and begin the effort to acquire a second term?

Enter William Jefferson Clinton. Viewed by Democrats as a centrist, personally popular, glib and comfortable in front of the camera. Presto -- now this deal is not merely Obama "caving," but a reluctant necessity that Democrat leadership TOGETHER views as the most reasonable step forward.

Also, Clinton ends up serving as a visible reminder that a seated President can get his political posterior HAMMERED in a Congressional election and still come back for a second term that is as dynamic as the first. Dozens of references to the "parallel" were made by the same media who got a kick out of being a little surprised (no 3 weeks of vetting and leaks prior) by the move. Setting this message up is vital to keeping the GOP off balance -- "remember what happened in 1996 when you over-reached and didn't play the game" -- and to beginning the comeback kid image that Barack will play off during the 2012 campaign.


Panzer:

Of course Dave was touching on a racist labelling, and was undoubtedly well aware of it when he did so. Yes, DD is not the one responsible for the label as noted above, nothing he posted vis-a-vis the "black" labeling was his original effort.

Nevertheless, as ACIN demonstrated, certain referants do "chain out" from this kind of label. Many if not all of us carry a host of connotative associations with loaded terms or phrasings -- and labeling Clinton the "first black president" was an effort to do just that. Though the original author may quibble about WHICH association they were attempting to evoke, the attempt to play off these connotations was specifically intended.

Much of the right-winger punditry crowd glommed onto this term with absolute GLEE. They enjoyed clubbing Clinton with it because, in their eyes, it seemed to be yet another example of Left Wing racism towards minorities (Note: it has been a right-winger position for some time that emphasizing victim status and the need for minorities to be "assisted" is a functionally racist stance -- despite how it may have been intended -- that is nearly as detremtal to society as old-school racism).

All-in-all, race has been the bane of US politics, twisting and distorting our efforts as a polity and a society, since our founding. Each step we take to excise it's effect is a good one and brings us a bit closer to what should be. It is silly that we should have to applaud a "first black" or "first woman" status for anybody -- and yet we have to do so. Eventually we will get past this inanity. It is certainly demonstrably better even in my lifetime. Regrettably, it is not finished.

I have opposed the Obama presidency from the outset. I like neither his administration's outlook nor most of its policies. I think his experience in executive leadership was limited and dis-like how much "catch up" baseball his administration has been playing in many areas (though THAT is hardly a hallmark of his administration alone). I voted for Hilary in my local primary to try to siphon off votes and keep him from locking the nomination until the convention. I voted for people who will oppose most of his policy initiatives in the last federal election. I will continue to oppose him.

But I am proud that a man "of color" could finally get elected to the office. Our history is better for that much at least.

[Devastatin Dave]

Dave:

Obama's choice to use President Clinton as spokesperson was one of the shrewder tactics I have seen him employ. Whoever had the idea should get a bonus.

At the moment, Obama is tarred, rightly or wrongly, with the results of November's elections. He is being forced into a deal on an issue he disagrees with -- but knows full well that to NOT do a deal now, when he does have a goodly cadre of Dem votes, however lame-ducked, is likely to get him less of what he seeks long term. So, how to sell it to the faithful and begin the effort to acquire a second term?

Enter William Jefferson Clinton. Viewed by Democrats as a centrist, personally popular, glib and comfortable in front of the camera. Presto -- now this deal is not merely Obama "caving," but a reluctant necessity that Democrat leadership TOGETHER views as the most reasonable step forward.

Also, Clinton ends up serving as a visible reminder that a seated President can get his political posterior HAMMERED in a Congressional election and still come back for a second term that is as dynamic as the first. Dozens of references to the "parallel" were made by the same media who got a kick out of being a little surprised (no 3 weeks of vetting and leaks prior) by the move. Setting this message up is vital to keeping the GOP off balance -- "remember what happened in 1996 when you over-reached and didn't play the game" -- and to beginning the comeback kid image that Barack will play off during the 2012 campaign.


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I see your points to an extend. What Clinton did show was he could field question not already supplied to his audience like most of the current occupant of the White House and was able to answer them without demonizing those that disagree with him. Obama can make pretty statements supplied to him through a telepromter but if you take him off script its becomes an exercise in futility. The man hardly ever has press conferences and finally when he has one of the most important one dealing with the most important issue in a our current history, he punts it (using an American Football anology and even though the NFL is mostly black, I hope our overly sensitive Euro-weenie and American leftists here do not find it offensive) back to an administration from 10 years ago. I do not find this move brilliant or well calculated. I see a person that was has been placed into office mostly on racial guilt and an attempt to satisfy the need for this country to right her wrongs even though the blood of over 600,000 could not wash it away in many people's eyes. All Obama knows how to do is campaign and play by the Alinsky playbook. His ability to be an executive has thus far failed. Its unfortunate that many refuse to see his failings. Its even more comical as Obama continues the same wars that Bush started and most on these boards deplored but yet I hardly hear a peep from them. When the disaster on the coast happened we saw a man more disingaged than Bush at Katrina but again the sound of crickets were loader than the punching of keys on the keyboard. I think most here are suffering from the racism of low expectations, to coin a phrase by Obama's predicessor.

Oh well....

[Strike For The South]

The fact that we are still arguing the semantics of our melanin content says more about us than the melanin content.

I realize it's cliché and impractical to ask to move beyond race but damn guys have we not beat this thing to death?

[Yoyoma1910]

The fact that we are still arguing the semantics of our melanin content says more about us than the melanin content.

I realize it's cliché and impractical to ask to move beyond race but damn guys have we not beat this thing to death?



Your mom beat this thing to death.



Oh yeah, What's up, what's up. Who's throwing cliché and beating it to death now

[Ronin]

Your mom beat this thing to death.



Oh yeah, What's up, what's up. Who's throwing cliché and beating it to death now

I was expecting you use the "yo momma" phrasing.....it just seemed natural given your username.

other than that....carry on sir.

[PershsNhpios]

Ah this thread has had me choking on laughter like a pig with a slit throat.

Louis, is there a way I can subscribe to each post you make?

I naturally side against the american president and the Norwegian.

But you must admit, a matter is become quite serious when even STFS feels obliged to speak sincerely...

[Centurion1]

Right wing started calling him that because he had sex with someone in the White House and and started continuing perpetuating the long held idea of the "savage" black, fighting and having sex with all the white women. See the movie: "Birth of a Nation". The NAACP might have created the term because they felt Clinton was actually responding to the needs of the poor (unlike the right wing powerhouse presidents before him)

Birth of a nation? Lol. get out of your fishbowl buddy.

oh and the naacp might care that he tried to help the black poor i doubt they really give a **** about poor white americans

[a completely inoffensive name]

Birth of a nation? Lol. get out of your fishbowl buddy.

oh and the naacp might care that he tried to help the black poor i doubt they really give a **** about poor white americans

Umm you should hop out of the echo chamber in your head before you make baseless statements. Pretty sure when you help the poor, you help...the poor. Not black poor, or Hispanic poor or white poor, you help all of the poor in general. There is not a clause for extra money simply because you are black.

[rory_20_uk]

He didn't say which poor were helped, merely that there was not the interest in helping the white poor by a specific organisation.

~:smoking:

[a completely inoffensive name]

He didn't say which poor were helped, merely that there was not the interest in helping the white poor by a specific organisation.

~:smoking:

ooooh. The poor grammar was confusing. I was taking it as two separate sentences and attributed the "they" to the government. As for that well...yeah, that's their job. What's the problem?