Unit Addiction

[The_Blacksmith]

Hey lads.... :idea2:

I know a good commander should be able to fight any battle and so, with any kind of army
BUT
Is there any unit you would cut finances, risk armies and so to get... which you are allmost addiced to?

im semi addicted to Dåhå Nobles they are so goooood :dizzy2:
i mean, who can turn down a bow and a huge lance with loads of armor? and the fact that they can kill Saka Generals :D

[QuintusSertorius]

I guess so, I have some serious favourites, but fortunately they're all cheap. Classical Hoplites, Thureophoroi and Peltastai (Thracian and Hellenic) are some of my favourite infantry. You could virtually build an army around them (and I have!) but it will hardly break the bank doing so. Not hard to access, either, being available all around the Med.

Cavalry-wise I like Hellenistic bodyguard cavalry (particularly the Epirote ones; not so much armour as others, but really good stamina for heavy cavalry), Celtic Leuce Epos/Curepos. Again they're cheap but very effective if you use them right.

[The_Blacksmith]

Cavalry-wise I like Hellenistic bodyguard cavalry (particularly the Epirote ones; not so much armour as others, but really good stamina for heavy cavalry), Celtic Leuce Epos/Curepos. Again they're cheap but very effective if you use them right.

I totally agree! good stamina for heavy cav is really addictive! and Thessalian Cav can really break the bank with 1000 mnai in unkeep, thats where Curepos reaal gets it right... they are available in many Mare Nostrum regions and have javs (something Thessalian dont have) and they have loads of stamina and a fine charge... they are kinda like the Rider class HA (Thats what i call them: Scythian Riders, Dåhå Riders spear and bow HA's)

[QuintusSertorius]

I totally agree! good stamina for heavy cav is really addictive! and Thessalian Cav can really break the bank with 1000 mnai in unkeep, thats where Curepos reaal gets it right... they are available in many Mare Nostrum regions and have javs (something Thessalian dont have) and they have loads of stamina and a fine charge... they are kinda like the Rider class HA (Thats what i call them: Scythian Riders, Dåhå Riders spear and bow HA's)

This is it for me; I don't really have a use for recruitable heavy cavalry. They're expensive, tire out too fast and so are only good for one or two charges. While my Epirote FM bodyguards always have enough left in the tank to chase down routers. Curepos have lances, meaning they're almost as effective in a charge to the rear, and they can do it all day long.

[Folgore]

I declared war on the Aedui in my Carthage campaign for the sole reason of getting Gaesatae (http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net/index.php?mp=unit&unit=celtic%20infantry%20gaesatae&text=&ownership=any&class=any&category=any). :D

[Brennus]

For me it would have to be the Leuce Epos and Belgic Minhalt, unstoppable together.

[The_Blacksmith]

This is it for me; I don't really have a use for recruitable heavy cavalry. They're expensive, tire out too fast and so are only good for one or two charges. While my Epirote FM bodyguards always have enough left in the tank to chase down routers. Curepos have lances, meaning they're almost as effective in a charge to the rear, and they can do it all day long.

well... my experience tell me that Curepos have a tendency to die in mass when charging anything heavier than Prodromoi even to the rear... due to the lack of stirups...

thats why i like having 1-2 heavy cav to charge in my stacks...

[vollorix]

Raetic Axemen are my favorite unit, though mostly hired as mercs, they are the most versatile you can deploy anywhere: as line troops, as flankers, to assault of walls, and their stamina rocks too ;)

[QuintusSertorius]

well... my experience tell me that Curepos have a tendency to die in mass when charging anything heavier than Prodromoi even to the rear... due to the lack of stirups...

thats why i like having 1-2 heavy cav to charge in my stacks...

I don't use them to charge other cavalry (other than driving off skirmishing cavalry), that's what my FMs are for. They're for skipping behind the enemy line and throwing javelins in the backs of their infantry, then charging them when they're weakened.

[bobbin]

well... my experience tell me that Curepos have a tendency to die in mass when charging anything heavier than Prodromoi even to the rear... due to the lack of stirups...

It's a bit of a modern myth that you need stirrups to mount an effective charge, a saddle with a high back was the real requirement. Stirrups improved stability some what, but their real strength was that they allowed to user to stand up in the saddle, which is very useful in melee or for throwing javelins.

Regarding the OP: Thracian Peltasts and Bosporan Archers are usually pretty high on my "to get" list.

[Ca Putt]

firstly the Illyrian hippeis, admitavely I don't conquer illyria for that sole purpose but I buy them as soon as they are availible as mercs^^.

then there are (most) balkan troops. its mainly the elites foud there which often "force" me to roleplay one of my Generals is thirsting for glory, takes his "own" troops adds some mercs and runs amok in tracia, as conquering the Getai is actually not part of my regular KH-agenda. tracian prodromoi may not be really superior to normal ones but having them is sort of a prestige thing: hey look everybody else only has nomal prodromoi I've got "special" prodromoi.

last but not least I'd like to mention unique greek colony troops I often cross vast distances to get my hands on.

[The_Blacksmith]

It's a bit of a modern myth that you need stirrups to mount an effective charge, a saddle with a high back was the real requirement. Stirrups improved stability some what, but their real strength was that they allowed to user to stand up in the saddle, which is very useful in melee or for throwing javelins.

Regarding the OP: Thracian Peltasts and Bosporan Archers are usually pretty high on my "to get" list.

I ride horses myself and yes, i have tried riding with a lance, and its hard as hell without stirups but yeah, you're right, a seated sattle would help a great deal or leg armor, to pausible make you heavier and make you more stable is a choice too.. how ever, many medium and light cav rides with a pony sattle (a canvis or leather sattle, strapped to the horse for tight and butt padding)

* some cav like numedian cav rides without anything which im a big admirer off... the first 5-6 years riding as much as they do must make a hell of a sore butt

[moonburn]

kretikoi and thorokitai are both must have i just feel safer having them on my side since they enable me to use the rest of whatever ragtag i can gather in a more flexible way since 1st i can forçe them to come to me (kretikoi) and 2nd the thorokitai never brake

then there´s the lusotannan medium infantry besides cool haircuts and nice looking armour they can hold a batle line wich again enables me the security to manouver around and start my favourite encirclement tactic

[Africanus]

kretikoi

That's definitely my addiction. :laugh4:

All my armies are equipped with a unit of these suckers. Chevron them up a bit, and watch the enemy disappear!

[Cute Wolf]

Shivatir-ig Pahlavanig and Duna Asya, an army comprised solely from them can kill everything if properly micro-ed, great for nomad blitz wars

[Lazy O]

Agrianikoi Peleikephoroi Dosent matter if im in babulon by the time these were availaible.... I still recruited them :D

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Cretan and Caucasian archers for me. Almost all Cretans I have are mercenaries because I never build up the barracks in Crete.

[Arjos]

None :P
I like various rosters and different armies ^^

[The Celtic Viking]

Any Celtic unit, really. I get them any time I can, and when I can't, I long for them. It's a good thing they are available almost everywhere at least as mercenaries if nothing else.

[DaciaJC]

Drapanai, certainly. Good thing they're cheap as dirt.

And when I'm not playing as Getai, I can recruit the mercenary equivalents (Druhtiz Bastarnisku).

[pinheirohr]

Hello to all. I've been playing EB mostly with romans and maks but I end up always hiring the same mercs: kretans and the galatian version of the Geasatea. this last ones may be very expensive but they are worth it. On my factional rooster as roman I would say that Pedites ext. are the ones I rely on. On average army I use 2 units but will go up to 4 if I expect a hard fight. Not very accurate from a historic point view...but I can't resist. As Maks, usualy I stick with levy phalanxs. They can hold a line long enough for me to use other units for flanking manouvers. Specialy if the flankers are those galatians berserkers.

[QuintusSertorius]

Any Celtic unit, really. I get them any time I can, and when I can't, I long for them. It's a good thing they are available almost everywhere at least as mercenaries if nothing else.

Three Celtic units I always have time for are Iaosatae, Curepos/Leuce Epos and Keltohellenikoi. All widely available as mercs, which is one of the things that makes them so good.

[Atraphoenix]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/pahlava/pah_zradha_shivatir.gif

10 units of these guys and you have no fear of losing any battle :smg:....

[The_Blacksmith]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/pahlava/pah_zradha_shivatir.gif

10 units of these guys and you have no fear of losing any battle :smg:....

Oh so true... oh so true....

[VikingPower]

I really like the Iberian units and sometimes wonder whether they were the only real infantry which could have beaten the Romans, that is if the Spanish peninsula were united before the Romans obtained too much territory.

Iberian assault infantry (good against everyone)
Iberian Medium spearmen (good against everyone except super heavy infantry)
Lusotana light infantry/Balearic light infantry (for being mix of AP units and skirmishers)

Other special units:

Milnaht and Mori Gaesum if their unit spacing were broader.
Gallic aux cavalry for being Leuce Eipos missile proof.
Rhaetic axemen/Alpine phalanx for being cheap professional troops.

[vartan]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/hayasdan/hay_zrahakir_netadzik.gif

Yee-haw!

[Fluvius Camillus]

Usually the extreme elite units, I just can form a decent royal army without them.

~Fluvius

[Olaf The Great]

I once recruited an Army of 1 Velorix, 16 Two handed Swordsmen, and 3 Remi Marepos.

It tears EVERYTHING to Shreds.

[gamegeek2]

I'd like to fire some arrows against that army.

Anyways, my fave unit would be the Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai. Perhaps the most cost-efficient unit in the game, alongside THraikioi Peltastai.

[vartan]

Anyways, my fave unit would be the Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai. Perhaps the most cost-efficient unit in the game, alongside THraikioi Peltastai.
If you don't count their (relatively) horrible morale (both under 13).

[Lazy O]

Does it matter? Youre facing an AI.....

[IrishHitman]

Hetairoi hands down.
The Companion Cavalry.

Ridiculously effective but not a literal tank like some of the Cav you'd see out East..

[CCadaver]

I like Iaosatae. As the Arverni, I never bother with any other ranged unit. By the time I have access to them, my iaosatae are all silver chevrons. Once they are gold chevrons, I can even use them as a light infantry. But by then I tend to spread them out among my armies so that everyone usually has at least one experienced unit.

Even if I can get kretikoi, they are usually mercs, and thus can't be retrained, or they can only be trained in Krete, Antioch, or Alexandria, which is usually too far away. Plus, slingers have the AP trait, which is great against romans and hellenistic factions.

[The_Blacksmith]

Hetairoi hands down.
The Companion Cavalry.

Ridiculously effective but not a literal tank like some of the Cav you'd see out East..

Im not really the big Hetairoi fan, they only have 3-4 good charges in them so, you REALLY need to make them count... but sometimes, you just need something to take out the heavier generals cav... i preffer my slingers (who has 2-3 silver chevrons) 3-4 of them can easily take out a 36 unit general...

[QuintusSertorius]

Im not really the big Hetairoi fan, they only have 3-4 good charges in them so, you REALLY need to make them count... but sometimes, you just need something to take out the heavier generals cav... i preffer my slingers (who has 2-3 silver chevrons) 3-4 of them can easily take out a 36 unit general...

This is why I like the Epirote bodyguard, all the hitting power of Hetairoi, but with bags more stamina.

EDIT: 3-4 units of slingers is a bit excessive (and makes things rather easy), one is my limit.

[-42-]

In my Pontus campaign I risked bankruptcy to get my hands on the Galatian noble infantry early on. Those guys absolutely steamrolled everything that the Seleucids and Ptolies could throw at me.

I also blitzed North Africa in my Carthage campaign for the express purpose of getting Numidian Nobles and Maure Infantry. The Maure are more or less Botroas with more javelins, and were extremely useful in Iberia, as were the Gldmtk.

[Fluvius Camillus]

In my Pontus campaign I risked bankruptcy to get my hands on the Galatian noble infantry early on. Those guys absolutely steamrolled everything that the Seleucids and Ptolies could throw at me.

I also blitzed North Africa in my Carthage campaign for the express purpose of getting Numidian Nobles and Maure Infantry. The Maure are more or less Botroas with more javelins, and were extremely useful in Iberia, as were the Gldmtk.

Say that out loud, I challenge you!~D

Indeed, I also like to go to lengths of trouble for certain regionals (Thraikian Elite at Tylis, Kinsmen in the east, Bosphoran archers on the.... guess what?:clown:)

I got a great array of multi-culti armies in my current campaign.

~Fluvius

[Kikaz]

That's definitely my addiction. :laugh4:

All my armies are equipped with a unit of these suckers. Chevron them up a bit, and watch the enemy disappear!

In my Pontos campaign, I made an army with 10 Kretan Archers, 2 Sarmation Archers (that the Sarmations randomly walked over to my diplomat), and Thrakioi Peltastai and Tindonatae thrown in just for fun. Needless to say, I captured most of Greece with this army.

[IrishHitman]

Im not really the big Hetairoi fan, they only have 3-4 good charges in them so, you REALLY need to make them count... but sometimes, you just need something to take out the heavier generals cav... i preffer my slingers (who has 2-3 silver chevrons) 3-4 of them can easily take out a 36 unit general...

I've gotten far more charges than 3-4 out of Hetairoi, it's all about timing....
I don't use Hetairoi for commander assassination, I tend to prefer ranged attacks for that.

[Lazy O]

Does it matter even if a heavy cav unit is exhausted? If you playo n normal which the game was designed for, it(charge) will still break anything

[QuintusSertorius]

Does it matter even if a heavy cav unit is exhausted? If you playo n normal which the game was designed for, it(charge) will still break anything

It matters as far as how many they kill on the charge goes. Knackered heavy cavalry are useless unless they're charging into a unit that's already on the verge of breaking.

[Whatever Scortamareva]

Mmm, I love Cantabrian cavalry, they don't really have too many decent competitors when it comes to skirmishing cavalry in the West, specially with a coupla chevrons. I like the Casse Calawre, just because they're the only true Casse heavy infantry, also maybe because they look awesome. I suppose Gailaiche and Gaeroes (sp?) as well, for the sheer volume of them I use.

[Lazy O]

THat is why you have to wait until the enemy is atleast tired. I know they wont break a fresh unit :P Even if the cav hasnt done anything :P

[QuintusSertorius]

THat is why you have to wait until the enemy is atleast tired. I know they wont break a fresh unit :P Even if the cav hasnt done anything :P

Even then, tired cavalry does bugger all compared to relatively fresh cavalry. In which case, any cavalry, rather than pointlessly expensive heavies will do.

[Lazy O]

CUrepos and Prodromoi ftw

[QuintusSertorius]

CUrepos and Prodromoi ftw

No arguments there, Curepos are quite possibly the best value unit in the game.

[IrishHitman]

Curepos are good value, along with the Prods and those Illyrian lads that charge nicely.

[vartan]

Only problem with Prodromoi is how quickly they fall to missile fire, but perhaps this was the case in real life?

[Lazy O]

We have cretans dont we

[Cute Wolf]

We have cretans dont we

the best mercenaries evah!