Tactics website

[NoFearSilentFox]

hi all i was wondering and thought about it alot and i thought would a site completely dedicated to shogun online and offline tactics be much help and i decided it would be but u c the thing is im only started learning html with help from my mum hehehe and i was wondering if there would be anyone dedicated and willing to help with the making of this website of course we will need more than to people working on it a the org is its got alot of dedicated ppl working on it so if u know html and are interested in the making of this prosperus idea please e-mail me or see me online or of course you can post here my e-mail is
nofearsilentfox@hotmail.com

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[Vanya]

What tool are you gonna be using to make it? If Notepad, then get an HTML book. Other things, like Frontpage, allow you to make pages without knowing any HTML...

[Grabes]

www.homestead.com (http://www.homestead.com)

No html needed, and no it doesnotsuck. You get 16 mbs free, as small a address as you can make, and of course, the bar on the bottom. I use it for my site, and it looks good for its purpose. My site is for offering my maps and skins for various games. http://grabesstuff.homestead.com/Startpage.html

considering some of the addys i have seen, that is small. You do not need to know any html, and learning the editor is very easy. I suggest you check out my site, it uses alot of elements avaible to you. On higher resolutions that bar on the bottom is not even annoying.

[Dark Phoenix]

Well Hometead has to be online as well which has been a problem lately. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

You never know teh org might offer to host your site or is that only for established sites.

By the way there is a strat site but it does not cover online play.

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DoragonPhoenix of the Clan Doragon (http://clandragon2.homestead.com/Dragon01.html)

[NoFearSilentFox]

well u might get front page then m8 ill check it out now but ill still require help and for homestead i dont think it could handle all the information i have used it many times and it has went very slow so i think html would be better and also people can work on the same html site and one time they wouldnt have to make different accounts for themselves on homestead.although a good point if they did do that each person could creat a few pages and it might run faster but id rather use html.well thnx guys and still if you have time on your hands please offer your help setting up this site.

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If you're going Homestead m8 I should tell you this:

Homestead have just introduced a pay scheme. Anyone wanting to set up a site with them must pay for the rights. Anyone already with a site have two months to decide whether they want to pay. Otherwise, Homestead are introducing a free package - but sites on this are restricted to 3 pages and only 8mb of space. Got the mail from them on Tuesday.

[NoFearSilentFox]

well m8 must be something else cause i have a few homestead sites well i did and i have one page on the new nofear page and thehunter has many pages on it so it must be for the proffesional sites.well ill find out soon thnx m8
cya....

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[BanzaiZAP]

You will ALWAYS be better off if you learn HTML. Even if you intend on using an editor like FrontPage or DreamWeaver, knowing what the heck is going on will make a major difference.

One thing these guys are forgetting: even once you've got the HTML under control, yuo'll want a graphics program like PhotoShop or PaintShop Pro to make and edit pictures. The more "artsy" your abilities are, the more interesting your web site could be.

I'd offer to help, but I'm running enough sites already! I'm willing to act as an advisor if you like. Just so you know I do know what I'm talking about, here's the site I've jsut finished: http://www.kbhmaui.com

-- B)

[NoFearSilentFox]

hey m8 nice site and well yeah if i can find a way to set up my site like the org u know how all u guys work on different pages i will be able to get started so maybe u could tell me thnx alot m8 and also ill keep u a job on the site m8

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[This message has been edited by NoFearSilentFox (edited 06-15-2001).]

[BanzaiZAP]

Okay, if you want a site with many people worknig on it, you'll need to be a Manager *shudder*

Different sites use different control and set-up's. Does each person have their own section, or could you have two different people working on the same section? Will each person have their own username/password? If you are using an editor like FrontPage, will everyone have to use that editor, too?

Starting a site is fun, but if you're making it to be big with multiple developers, then you'll also need to coordinate everything. Feel free to send me emails with questions and ideas. I'd like to help out! Good luck with your quest!

-- B)

[NoFearSilentFox]

well m8 while im here i have one question its about how people work on my site
well if we r to be using html or frontpage will we be able to save our pages under the same name u know like just say the website is called shoguntactics.com
will everyone have 2 save their pages under that name then transfer them to me or something that is the only thing i dont really understand how do we add our pages to make one site if we r all using different computers if i know how t do that i might be able to start organisisng things.
well m8 i hope you can help me out
cya....

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[BanzaiZAP]

Okay, quick overview.

The "name.com" part is just a pointer, or shortcut to your actual online internet account. For example, I've got both "Shamelessmayhem.com" and also an internet account at the host Maui.Net in my name called "discord." The domain name is just a pointer into that account! So you can see the same website at either: www.shamelessmayhem.com (http://www.shamelessmayhem.com)
and you can see the exact same thing at: http://www.maui.net/~discord
So first, you just need the internet account, then purchase a domain name, then tell your server to point that name at your account.

Now, the website itself is made up of a bunch of different pages. You'll notice that the main page of the ORG is just www.totalwar.org (http://www.totalwar.org) but the bulletin board is in another folder, the tactics section is made of other documents, etc. Every single page in your web site will be a different file, with a different name, like Archers.html or maybe Bridge_Battles.html As the guy who owns the site, you'd get to say which person is working on which section. Then you either give everyone the username/password to you account, and then they can upload their own work, or else you can have everyone email you their work, and you upload it all into your web site. One person should be incharge of the main Home Page, just to make sure everyone else's work gets linked in.

Actually, in my web site I'm making a tutorial on how to make a web site! It's not all there right now, but feel free to poke around. Also, if you look in my profile, I have my email listed. Feel free to send me any questions or problems. One of my jobs is teaching people this stuff at the local community college, so I really don't mind giving you advice and help. That's why we're a community!

Good luck, and have fun!

-- B)

Yes, a site is made up of different pages all links together to form a coherent single website.

A good navigation system (a good network of links) is essential for a good site. You can make a side navigation bar (ex. like lanza's site) or a bar on the top of the pages (like on my resource site) or else 2 sidebars which remain constant and the information in the centre changes (examples are .org and planettotalwar)

Of course for a begginer to make a site like one of those is hard, but a simple site but easy-to-navigate is the best choice.



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[NoFearSilentFox]

ok guys thnx alot just one more question i hope this is the last anyway
were do u create a website account and who do u think i could get 2 host the site
well i hope i can start soon and if u guys want 2 help in anyway u can lol

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[BanzaiZAP]

Okay, you can either go national, or go local.

National:
This would be like going with Geocities, or one of those big commercial hosts. The big advantage is that you KNOW that they'll be up and running. You might not be able to get in touch wiht people if things go wrong, but it's a national company, so you can be sure of always being on line, and everybody around the world should get a pretty good connection. Some nationals will insist on putting advertising on your site, or you may have trouble with some of your own customizations.

Local:
This would be going with a more local provider, like I am hosted by Maui Net, since I'm out in Hawaii. The advantage is that you have a more direct contact with the server, and can get in to do your own thing more easily. Unfortunately, you may have more down-time, or slower connections to your site. For example, anyone on the Pacific Rim will get a quick, clean connection to my web sites, but Europe and the American East Coast can get slower response time.

The real deciding factor is probably the cost. Look to see what you get with your account before you sign up. How much hard-drive space do you get? What's the payment schedule? What about a domain name? Are there scripts on the server that you can use (like counters, message boards, email, etc)? How easy is it to get access to make changes to your own web site?

Shop around to compare prices and services, then choose whichever host seems to give you the best bang for your buck. Warning: if you want to have a serious, major website, it could cost more than a hundred dollars per month, depending on how gung-ho you get with the extras. Minimum cost will probably be between $15 - $50 per month. Again, shop around to see what you can find. Good luck!

-- B)

[NoFearSilentFox]

thnx alot banzaizap now all i need is a few ppl to work on the site and hey m8 i have any job here for u so tell me what job u think would be best for u and u got it m8.


ok all as u can all see im planning on making a new tactics website dedicated to online play.
but i cant do it alone so i will be needing people to help with it so far i have thought of the following jobs available and could use a little help thinking of other jobs that should be avaliable

Jobs:
page designer
forum moderator
News editors
scouts-look for new tactics.
well thats all so far.
please people get back to me as soon as possible as i need help as im pretty new 2 html so if you are interested get in touch through e-mail or at the foyer you will find me there every day for a few hours
and again please get back to me real soon.
cya guys and thnx....

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[Dark Phoenix]

Well I will help you out as a mod and I will write some tactics. I dont know any html code as I havent done a website before.

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DoragonPhoenix of the Clan Doragon (http://clandragon2.homestead.com/Dragon01.html)

I am no hero I just like to hit people in the head. :p

Hi Fox,

Since we often meet on msn messenger I could help ya out with few things if you want.

And thanks for your hard work. As daimyo I am very pleased with you http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Tera

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[Mossy]

It is much easier to build a website using a builder. But in my experience they take much longer to download than a website done by someone using html. This is because of all the extra code added in.

eg to increase the font size you can do this:

or something along those lines.

But a builder like homestead would do it like this:

which is a bit longer http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

I am still leanring html I only know some of the more basic bits of the language and I am quite busy at the moment. But some time in the future I guess I could help.

[NoFearSilentFox]

ok guys thnx alot just one more thing before i start do any of u know how 2 publish your site when making it with html or frontpage.and i think im gonna use front page so can u tell me how 2 publish the site for both any way thnx alot guys.

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[Dark Phoenix]

Well html is just the coding or that is at least what i thought. Frontpage is just an easy way of seeing how the page looks and not the code.

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DoragonPhoenix of the Clan Doragon (http://clandragon2.homestead.com/Dragon01.html)

I am no hero I just like to hit people in the head. :p

[BanzaiZAP]

Okay, with hand-made HTML, you use an FTP program, which is actually built into a lot of software these days. Two free programs are WS_FTP ( www.ipswitch.com (http://www.ipswitch.com) ) and CuteFTP (forgot the URL, sorry). All they do is copy files from one computer to another. So you log on, and the program has two windows: one is your computer, the other is the server. Then you just copy the files back and forth. Once they're on the server, they're live to the public! Macintosh users can use the program Fetch. Does the same thing.

FrontPage has it's own FTP built into it, hidden under the "Publish" button. Bear in mind, the you MUST have a Miscrosoft host, or else it may not work!!! Yet another example of Microsoft trying to take over the world. A FrontPage website needs a FrontPage server! Beyond that, I don't know - in case you couldn't guess, I don't use FP! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Good luck, and have fun!

-- B)

With FTP, be sure you upload normal files using BINARY mode not ASCII.

ASCII uploads should be to .cgi files only.

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[BanzaiZAP]

Terazawa: Actually, any text-based file can be sent up using ASCII, including the HTML files themselves. Everything that's NOT text (graphics, sounds, movies, etc) are all binary. Text just moves more quickly using ASCII. (American Standard Code for Information Interchange. Am I a geek or what? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif )

NOTE: I was going to go into the diference between Window's ASCII/Binary as opposed to Mac's Text/Data but since Shogun is only out on Windows, I dont think anyone will care about the Mac info. *sigh* Oh, you poor devils restricted to only one platform....
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

-- B)

[ingram77331]

i made my site with geocities page builder and i think it looks great even though its not finished.

Banzai: Well the time difference between the two ain't significant http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

I always upload files on binary (except for cgi files, like this forum), even text files.
Why? 2 reasons:

1) When I uploaded an shtml with ASCII, the html text didn't came up well.
2) I am too lazy to always go and change binary/ASCII from my ftp program http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[qwertyuiop]

Little background info, take as you wish:

ASCII and uni-code are what they say: codes.

Basicly everything goes down to binary. The characters in ASCII file are actually a representation of these codes in a binary 'file'. Such as 0xA or 10 is the character new line in ASCII code.

ASCII transfer mode on files that are ment to be interpreted by ASCII (HTML, plain text...) is faster in BULK because they use a routine that is specific to handling character codes and not there binary value.

However, binary mode will keep the file as is in any format with neglagable speed difference.

So yes, the time required to change from binary to ASCII is about a billion times longer than it takes in the actual file treatment.

There is a little more to be said about binary vs ASCII technicalities but I have said way to much already.

My two sents, or shall I say ten cents
thank you, and goodnight

[BanzaiZAP]

Also, I've been in the Web Design business since tha Dark Days of the 2400 modem! Back then, the speed difference between ASCII and Binary was MUCH more noticable! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
We seem to have wandered from the original topic.....

-- B)

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Look with our discussion we got another Dojo Member! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif



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[qwertyuiop]

Indeed, however I find my posting slightly humerious in relation to the topic of the fourum.
Maybe I will say it applies to the efficiancy of the shogun MP engine http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
-T-

[Yoko Kono]

lol http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

[NoFearSilentFox]

my decesion stands. :-)
im gonna use homesead this does not mean i wont need help ill probably need more help now as it takes a while to make a homestead site so plz ppl offer all the help u can.
well if theres any questions plz e-mail me or post here and thnx to everyone who answered my questions in great detail.:-)

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