The most improved unit.

[Brennus]

Hello all,
I was just wondering which EB unit people consider to be the most improved when compared to it's vanilla original (or the vanilla unit it replaced).

You may like a unit more because its stats are more balanced (companion cavalry), its recruitment area is more accurate (Marius era legionaries) it is more historically accurate (all British, Gallic, Iberian, Irish and German units) or simply becuase it looks better (Parni horse archers).

What are peoples' thoughts?

[Arjos]

Every single one ^^

[vollorix]

Hoplites in general, i´d say.

[alexanderthegreater]

1. Slingers
2. Phalanx
Phalanx is made very powerful, but maybe as a balancer light forces are quite good to.

[Rien]

i go for skirmishers in general
i found them useless in vanilla but won some great battles with them in eb

[QuintusSertorius]

Cavalry are no longer on motorbikes that look like horses. That's a vast improvement, IMO.

[Brennus]

I didn't think people would be suggesting skirmishers but now it's mentioned i agree. In vanilla skirmishers were little better than cannon fodder, in my current Carthy campaign I am very wary of Numidian skirmishers, just fought a battle using sacred band infantry and even they took a beating.

[antisocialmunky]

The Parthian units because they don't wear pink pajamas anymore.

[Cute Wolf]

The Parthian units because they don't wear pink pajamas anymore.


and Macedonians didn't historically become Spartan Protectorate (as far as the Macedon put Spartan symbol on their flag)

[M to the A]

Is this a joke thread? :P I love almost every unit in EB, it's always hard to decide what units to place in my army because I want all of them on the field. Guess I'll pick the "Spanish units" since I seem to pick the Lusos to play with more then the other factions. Ambushing and stuff. They also look sweet so yeah .

[Octavian I]

Hoplites, skirmishers and cavalry.

I remember routing a huge Seleucid army with 2 Parthian early body guards in Vanilla. Difficulty level Medium, but the same thing would be impossible in EB. Infantry plays a much greater role in EB.

[Cute Wolf]

Hoplites, skirmishers and cavalry.

I remember routing a huge Seleucid army with 2 Parthian early body guards in Vanilla. Difficulty level Medium, but the same thing would be impossible in EB. Infantry plays a much greater role in EB.

wait until you play Sauromatae in EB and had your FL / FH got 10 Influence :grin:

you can kill a fullstack with only 3 Aeldry Aezamblade if each characters is so high influenced and they had 120 men each as BG (in huge)

[Duguntz]

True... 3 sauro or worst, Saka FM and you can beat any fullstack that present itselfd to you... that's why i get often ridiculous heroic victory :))) but i just can't get tired of those tanks!

[Octavian I]

To be honest i've never tried the nomad factions yet. Till so far only the Diadochi and greek factions and SPQR. Maybe i should give it a shot once :).

[-42-]

Pretty much everything was improved. Though the Iberians show the greatest improvement in my opinion, they had a useless roster in Vanilla.

[Populus Romanus]

Praobably Thrace/Dacia. They actually have units that portray them as a unique people that are culturally unique instead of just another generic barbarian faction.

[moonburn]

solduros ftw \o also scotomareva rulle

what i deslike the most ? the lack of throrokitai for makedonia :\ it´s a big bummer the absence of those beauty´s and althoug the phalanx can secure a batle line better i like flexibility more

[The_Blacksmith]

Easy easy.. The Ptolemaic empire :P

[Brennus]

Easy easy.. The Ptolemaic empire :P

Oh definately, no more of those silly desert axemen or Middle and Late Kingdom units. The contrast between EB Ptolemies and RTW Egypt is shocking.

[Moros]

I miss the bull warrioirs. :(

[DaciaJC]

Hoplites in general, i´d say.

Indeed. The Greek hoplitai units are many, many times more enjoyable to use now that they aren't in the restrictive phalangite formation.

[Paltmull]

Oh definately, no more of those silly desert axemen or Middle and Late Kingdom units. The contrast between EB Ptolemies and RTW Egypt is shocking.

As described at the EB website:
"No more Mummy Returns Egyptians" :laugh4:

Anyway, a bit off topic maybe, but I think the most important overall unit improvement is that the stupid rock-scissor-paper system is gone. In vanilla RTW you would for example never use spearmen as line infantry (not counting phalanx units), since they would get slaughtered by practically any non-spear wielding infantry unit. The heaviest of cavalry would get massacred by levy spearmen in a few seconds. The EB unit balancing makes battles so much more interesting and challenging.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

For me it has to be the Seleucid 'imitation legionary' unit:

Compare:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/TotalWarSeleucidRomans_01.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/hellenistic_infantry_thorakitai_argyraspidai_INFO.jpg

[The_Blacksmith]

For me it has to be the Seleucid 'imitation legionary' unit:

Compare:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/TotalWarSeleucidRomans_01.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/hellenistic_infantry_thorakitai_argyraspidai_INFO.jpg


http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/14/129157477066831452.gif

[antisocialmunky]

One could argue that the most improved units are the flaming pigs as they don't exist and therefore don't light on fire and promptly die.

[Atraphoenix]

The Parthian units because they don't wear pink pajamas anymore.

seconded... what I worry is that the immortal phalanxes they simply do not die :wall::wall:

[Ibrahim]

For me it has to be the Seleucid 'imitation legionary' unit:

Compare:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/TotalWarSeleucidRomans_01.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/hellenistic_infantry_thorakitai_argyraspidai_INFO.jpg

IMHO, the true replacement (in terms of price, general role, and relative stats), would be the thorakitai, not this.

but yeah, either way, a massive improvement.

actually, all the units are a step up: better balance, more realistic stats (though as I discovered, the phalanxes are too arrowproof), even better horse archers.

and no more Roman Lin Kuei. those units should have been in a mortal kombat game.

[Lazy O]

I has a LIST!!!!

First of all lets go to the most crappiest faction crap ever came up with!! GAUL

Chosen Swordsmen, : Arjos/Neitos/Suldoros Massive imrpovements.

I consider the sotoraos and ioasatae much better than the incredibly cost ineffective Foresters

But the most Improved Gallic unit has to be

Barbarian Cavalry:Leuke Epos

Now lets move on to the brother in crappiness, SPAIN!!!

The only thing IMO spain lacked was archers and decent infantry,

so it has to be the Scutarii and Balaeric and Shepherd Slingers. The cavalry has also been a huge improvement.

After that the Greek Cities come in the list of Minor Factions, the cavalry is the only thing neeeding imrpovement here.

Still I say its the Scutari that take the prize

[antisocialmunky]

IMHO, the true replacement (in terms of price, general role, and relative stats), would be the thorakitai, not this.

but yeah, either way, a massive improvement.

actually, all the units are a step up: better balance, more realistic stats (though as I discovered, the phalanxes are too arrowproof), even better horse archers.

and no more Roman Lin Kuei. those units should have been in a mortal kombat game.

I believe that was the Silver Shield Imitation Legionnaire so they should correctly correspond with the Hellenistic Space Marine variant.

[Greenlizard0.]

Head Hunting Maidens and the Screeching Women, the peasant units, the Egyptian units, ...

I am glad we have a lot better units now.

[ziegenpeter]

Is this a joke thread? :P I love almost every unit in EB, it's always hard to decide what units to place in my army because I want all of them on the field.
Have more armies.

[Ibrahim]

I believe that was the Silver Shield Imitation Legionnaire so they should correctly correspond with the Hellenistic Space Marine variant.

ooh yeah! I thought he was a normal imitation legion :wall:

my bad.

[Ca Putt]

tho everything has been improved dratically 3 units/groups got the best changes:

gameplay pow: Hoplites(haploi almost too much) and line infantry in general. as now they can actually withstand a charge and hold the ground for a mentionable amout of time.
afterall heavy infantry was the backbone of most armies of the era while anything non-roman non-spartan and non-phalangite was actually quite useless in vanilla^^

grafics pow: eastern infantry and parthian units in general. I mean every single units looks much better than the vanilla version but those pink pajamas were just tooo much. the concept of player color may be a good idea in normal rts games but it's pretty superflous if there are huge banners above every battallion.

general unit concept(NOT counting deleted units ;) ): Imitation legionaries. as stated above.