Hw can I take personal pride from the works of dead people I have never met?

[HoreTore]

So....

Since my thread got invaded and conquered like a Polish jew, perhaps we should move this interesting discussion over here? I'll start:

Proudness is a human feeling. I feel proud quite often. The last time I felt some proudness was when I progressed in my training today. Before that, I felt proud this morning when I saw the logic behind an algebra problem.

I don't just get the feeling of proudness frommy own accomplishments, however. When my brother got good grades this year, I felt proud. I feel proud that I am the son of my dad after every time we debate things. I felt proud of my female friend(god damn this language, there are no terms for relationships between men and women that doesn't involve romance) got her drivers license the other day. At work, I feel proud of both myself and my students whenever they progress in their knowledge.


But how can I feel proud of what some bloke did a century ago that I never knew and don't know anyone who did either? Why should I be proud of Ibsen, for example, but not Dickens? I never knew any of them?

[rory_20_uk]

Not everything about being a human makes logical sense.

~:smoking:

[Greyblades]

:shame:
Yeah sorry about that HoreTore but in my defense; HE started it! :grin:

Not everything about being a human makes logical sense.
QFT

[HoreTore]

So......

The fundation of nationalism and national-romantisism is "something illogical that can't be explained"? I'm sceptical.

[Greyblades]

Its probably somehow due to the monkey spere effect (the thought that my tribe is better than your tribe) just put to nation wide levels.

[Fisherking]

Sounds like you have pride in family, friend and community but you can’t seem to grasp pride in your ancestors.

Did you have a lobotomy or just serious head trauma? :dizzy2:

[Subotan]

So......

The fundation of nationalism and national-romantisism is "something illogical that can't be explained"? I'm sceptical.
(P ^ ¬P) -> Q

ANYTHING

[Greyblades]

Que?

[HoreTore]

Sounds like you have pride in family, friend and community but you can’t seem to grasp pride in your ancestors.

Did you have a lobotomy or just serious head trauma? :dizzy2:

I have pride in those I have contact with, the ones whos work I influence. I find it hard to grasp the concept of being proud of someone I have never met.

Also, my ancestors? Henrik Ibsen, for example, is definitely not my familys ancestor.

[HoreTore]

(P ^ ¬P) -> Q

ANYTHING

The factors of Q added together instead of multiplied will always make P.

[The Stranger]

So....

Since my thread got invaded and conquered like a Polish jew, perhaps we should move this interesting discussion over here? I'll start:

Proudness is a human feeling. I feel proud quite often. The last time I felt some proudness was when I progressed in my training today. Before that, I felt proud this morning when I saw the logic behind an algebra problem.

I don't just get the feeling of proudness frommy own accomplishments, however. When my brother got good grades this year, I felt proud. I feel proud that I am the son of my dad after every time we debate things. I felt proud of my female friend(god damn this language, there are no terms for relationships between men and women that doesn't involve romance) got her drivers license the other day. At work, I feel proud of both myself and my students whenever they progress in their knowledge.


But how can I feel proud of what some bloke did a century ago that I never knew and don't know anyone who did either? Why should I be proud of Ibsen, for example, but not Dickens? I never knew any of them?

if she is just a friend it shouldnt matter if she is female or male. so in english its just friend for both. imo thats far better than in dutch or german where they make a difference. on the topic...

you dont have to be proud of those people, you can be. you can be proud for example that they come from the same cultural heritage, or better said you are part of their cultural legacy. in the same way that you are proud of your father while you have done nothing to make him the way he is or to have him as your father.

proudness = pride btw

[The Stranger]

So......

The fundation of nationalism and national-romantisism is "something illogical that can't be explained"? I'm sceptical.

why? many foundations are illogical. the foundation of religion is illogical.

[Greyblades]

Personally, I'm proud of my heritage and country's history because there is bugger all I can be proud of now.

[Subotan]

Que?
Basically, from a contradiction, one can derive anything.

[HoreTore]

Basically, from a contradiction, one can derive anything.

Ahhhhhhhhh.....

It's electronics, not maths! With an inversion on one of the gates of an AND-gate, meaning both positive and negative input will give positive output? Well done sir, +10 geekpoints for you!

[Tellos Athenaios]

Que? That would be because Subotan wasn't being rigorous, he neglected to mention ⊥.

P ^ ¬ P -> Q
⊥
ANYTHING GOES

For those who do not know boolean logic, “¬” is negation, “∨” is inclusive or, “^” is and, “->” is implies, and “⊥” is bottom (contradiction). So in Enlgish when both proposition P is true and the negation of proposition P is also true implies (yields) Proposition Q we have a contradiction which means that today, logic does not win again and we may infer anything we care to from it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I felt proud of my female friend(god damn this language, there are no terms for relationships between men and women that doesn't involve romance) got her drivers license the other day.

Platonic? :shrug:

[HoreTore]

Platonic? :shrug:

The norwegian word is "venninne", which is the word for "friend" with a feminine indicator(-inne).

Oh, and the stranger, thanks for clearing up pride/proudness.... Wasn't quite sure atm, and then I went with the wrong choice :clown:

[a completely inoffensive name]

The norwegian word is "venninne", which is the word for "friend" with a feminine indicator(-inne).

Ok, so if it just a female friend with no romance, then (I am no english expert, so don't trust me on this) just use the word platonic as a descriptor to clarify the nature of the relationship.

"I felt proud of my female friend (it is platonic), when she got her driver's license the other day."

The Stranger is right where you don't have to say she is a female friend from the start. You can label the person as a friend and then continue on saying he or she or her or him to show what the gender is. If I want to go out of my way to say it had no romance, then I usually do what I did to your sentence above.

[Subotan]

Well done sir, +10 geekpoints for you!
Thanks, but it's not electronics! :P


That would be because Subotan wasn't being rigorous, he neglected to mention ⊥.

P ^ ¬ P -> Q
⊥
ANYTHING GOES

For those who do not know boolean logic, “¬” is negation, “∨” is inclusive or, “^” is and, “->” is implies, and “⊥” is bottom (contradiction). So in Enlgish when both proposition P is true and the negation of proposition P is also true implies (yields) Proposition Q we have a contradiction which means that today, logic does not win again and we may infer anything we care to from it.
I haven't been introduced to the "bottom" symbol in my studies yet, so my bad.