The Pisonian Conspiracy [Concluded]

[robbiecon]

Well give me a strong reason for somebody then.

edit: Oh yes, knew I'd something to follow up on. Care to explain this Robbiecon?

Twas just a hunch, let's continue with it:

Vote: johnhughthom , again

[Ironhead]

This is my first game on this forum, I haven't got a clue what is going on half the time, I cannot figure out who is good or who is bad. My role is Pliny, and when I got the role PM I didn't know if I was supposed to be good or bad so I even sent a night-kill order in to the GM (he gently returned it with advice that the only way I can kill people is with my vote to lynch).

Sorry if my posts have been without much meat to them, I have been gut-voting most of the time anyway.

VOTE ROBBIECON -- based on Skooma's argument.

[robbiecon]

The only way you'd think you had a kill order to send in is if it were mentioned in your role PM!!!

[johnhughthom]

This is my first game on this forum, I haven't got a clue what is going on half the time, I cannot figure out who is good or who is bad.

I hope you'll keep playing, the first few games can be very disorienting, and you feel ignored a lot of the time. I have a game I still need players for, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133559-Cops-and-Robbers) not quite mafia but it should be good.

So um yeah, you're still totally scum...

[Captain Blackadder]

7 hours to go

[Captain Blackadder]

Half an hour to go

[Captain Blackadder]

Round Over prepare for write up

[Captain Blackadder]

Ironhead, JohnHughthom, Skooma
Johnhughthom Robbiecon
Robbiecon Ironhead


This was the final day of the reign of the most glorious Emperor Nero he who had ruled Rome for decades. The final vote takes place and as the senators argue it goes back and forth going from one figure to the next. As it is in many of these situations the vote goes the way of the man who has no friends in Rome, the loner more happy to be writing books then discussing politics. Pliny. Pliny steps forward knowing in his heart that he has not done all that he was supposed to have done. He has had no children to carry on the name of Pliny. However these thoughts mean nothing in the long run for today is the day the he dies. Pliny steps forward with his life running through his eyes. He had being in self imposed exile yet he had come back to help Rome and death was to be his reward? Nero orders the last men standing to take Pliny away and they move towards him. Vespasian the great General moves towards him, Petronius the great satirist who may have being involved but was not they take Pliny outside leaving Nero alone with Epicharis and Faenus Rufus head of the Praetorian Guard after the death of Tigellinus. Nero looks around noticing the senate house is empty. He looks at these two figures and realises far too late to save himself that he has made a grave mistake. He yells out for the Praetorians to help him but they do not respond.

Rufus walks to the Emperor and quietly talks to him.
We have had Emperors for the last 80 years and what has it caused? Nothing but heartbreak and pain. Today is the day that you die Nero and the corrupt Empire will die with you. Tomorrow will be the dawning of a new age the return of the republic. Do you have anything to say before will kill you, you fat blotted corpse of a man?

"I am ready to become a god. I am ready to meet the gods of the world it is a question of are they ready to meet me?"

With these final words the daggers once again fall on Nero destroying the Empire and restoring the Republic. This will known as the year of Rufus and Epicharis and will be remembered throughout history.

Meanwhile as Pliny falls from the hills of Rome to be gashed on the rocks. The two remaining loyalists return to the Senate House and find Nero's corpse the plotters look at them and ask.

"Will you help the Republic?"

Fearing for their lives both men say yes. But as they walk away there is a little smile on the face of Vespasian Rufus is a fool and Epicharis is insignificant there will be nothing to stop him from ruling Rome soon and this time there will be no civil war to prevent him.


MAFIA VICTORY

Romanic
Chimpyang
JohnHughthom 2

Congratulations on a well deserved victory.

Role Pm's to come tomorrow as well as host commentary.

[johnhughthom]

Mwa ha ha. Thanks for the game Capt B ~:thumb: and nice working with you Chimpyang and Roman :shakehands:.

[Chimpyang]

Thanks for hosting the game Captain Blackadder.

Mafia QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WvyX2QnEfKuXh

GG All.

[johnhughthom]

But as they walk away there is a little smile on the face of Vespasian

Oooh, third game on the cards?

[Renata]

Not really a surprise. Good game to the mafia. Townies .... well let's just say that when the two remaining mafia are the only ones talking for half of the final day? You're gonna lose.

[johnhughthom]

Not really a surprise. Good game to the mafia. Townies .... well let's just say that when the two remaining mafia are the only ones talking for half of the final day? You're gonna lose.

I do so love it when townies take defeat with good grace...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well played. :bow:

[Renata]

I do so love it when townies take defeat with good grace...

I am not a gracious loser. :)

[Romanic]

Yay!

Good game everyone! Congrats to my teammates, for surviving and winning the game for me. :beam:

Thanks for the game CB :applause:

And I am wondering: Did Secura kill ATPG last night because you thought he could be mafia without knowing it? Was Secura vigilante or again a friendly Serial killer? :smug2:

I'm interested to see the roles, because we had no special powers at all, and it appears there was a doctor, a vigilante, an extra voter, a council or someone to decide how tied lynches would end. From my perspective we were not favourite, or what am I missing?

[Secura]

And I am wondering: Did Secura kill ATPG last night because you thought he could be mafia without knowing it? Was Secura vigilante or again a friendly Serial killer? :smug2:

I was a serial killer; I assume you say again because I played the role in the exact same fashion in Shakespearean Mafia?

At first, I read my PM incorrectly; I was in a hurry, had just handled an infraction (and the fallout that followed) and had things to do with the Animus game, so skirted over the PM and assumed I had to find and kill Piso. After several nights of not using my ability, Blackadder approached me and told me I was supposed to be killing every night, I told him I was aware of this fact... but continued not to do so.

By this point I had already been pressured by both Winston and Pizza, possibly due to the fact that there had only been one kill and I had been inactive due to laptop issues; I told them I was a vigilante, as I had believed, but later came clean to Pizza that I was actually a serial killer.

Over the course of the next two or three day phases, I helped Pizza weed through potential suspects, but following Romanic's lynch it got to the point where he believed the mafia to be defeated and said I had to kill him, for reasons I still can't fathom. He said that it would be unsporting or something like that, so I went along with it.

Essentially, I was supposed to be the second kill each night, a balancing mechanic for the game and so on; due to my dislike of serial killer roles (I just don't have the killer instinct as mafia, that's even worse without partners to confer with), I basically decided to play the game as I was town, and then allow Pizza to reveal and lynch me at the end.

Had I not made the conscious decision to play the game in this fashion, the town would have had minimal chance of winning since they needed to lynch me and three mafia to win; in a game of only seventeen people, with two kills per night... I think that this is a bad choice on the part of the host.

[Captain Blackadder]

Role PM's

Johnhughthom


Marcus Salvius Otho

Brave men rejoice in adversity, just as brave soldiers triumph in war.
Seneca

Hail Otho, You are Otho a future Emperor of Rome and current ruler of Lusitania . You are one of the men who actually runs the Empire. You are well know for your moderation and level headed method of running your province. You have had some problems with Nero of late after all he did steal your wife. But you still do like him and you do remember all the great times you had when you were younger.

Objective See all threats to the Empire Destroyed

Askthepizzaguy



Lucius Calpurnius Piso Frugi Licinianus

Yield not to calamity, but face her boldly.
Virgil

Hail, Lucius. You are Lucius brother of the conspirator Piso. However you are not involved in the conspiracy. You are a direct descendent of one of the richest men who ever lived Marcus Crassus. Whilst you have nowhere near the amount of money that he has you still have some of that spark. Plus as a bonus you are a far better General then he ever was.

Objective To destroy all threats to the Empire

Secura


Servius Sulpicius Galba
A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.
Seneca

Hail Galba. You are Galba a future Emperor of Rome and current ruler of Spain. You are one of the men who actually runs the Empire. Whilst during much of the past 30 years you have being retired you returned to public office 5 years ago. Since that day you have found yourself wondering could you be the next Emperor? You have decided that it is indeed time to strike. Whilst you will not work with Piso you will use his plot as a cover whilst you strike removing all that would stand in your way.

Objective To kill all those who stand in your way to becoming Emperor.

Abilities You may select one player each night to be killed

Robbiecon


Titus Flavius Vespasianus
Fate will find a way
Virgil

Hail Vespasian, You are Vespasian a future Emperor of Rome and the great General of the Empire. You are one of the men who actually runs the Empire and has ensured that it remains safe and stable even whilst Nero has slowly slipped into what could charitably be called eccentricities. You are happy to remain in your position for now knowing that you shall have your time sooner or latter.

Objective:To Destroy all threat to the Empire

Renata

Gaius Musonius Rufus
Happy the man who has been able to learn the causes of things.
Virgil

Hail Gaius, You are Gaius Musonius Rufus the famous stoic philosopher. You have written many great works on philosophy. You are known for your very radical views on women. You have said that women should learn philosophy because they have the same capacity as men. This is of course insanity. Your other extremely radical views have often put you into conflict with the authorities however as a stoic you would never resort to Murder.

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire


Autolycus


Gaius Ofonius Tigellinus

All cruelty springs from weakness.
Seneca

Hail Prefect of the Praetorian Guard. You are Tigellinus for now on of Nero's greatest allies in Rome. You are so trusted by Nero that you have being placed in command of the group that is known to be the Kingmaker in Roman Politics, the Praetorian Guard. You have returned his trust by not joining in the plot to dispose of him. In fact you are one of the leading lights of the investigation into the plot. You are known for your complete devotion to finding out the plotters and are not afraid to commit a little bit of torture to get what you want. You in conjunction with Poppaea Sabina (Winston Hughes) are the ones leading the investigation against the menace that is the Pisonians.

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire
Abilities: As the commander of the Praetorian Guard you can protect one person each night.

Winston Hughes


Poppaea Augusta Sabina

“Outward beauty is not enough; to be attractive a woman must use words, wit, playfulness, sweet-talk, and laughter to transcend the gifts of Nature”
Petronius

Hail Empress Poppaea. You are the Empress of Rome second wife to Nero one of the most ambitious women in Roman History. Many things have being said about you some of them not kind. The most common being that you have relations with other women as well as being that special kind of ruthless that makes sure that such rumours never reach your ears. You are one of the leading lights of the Investigation into the Conspiracy along with the head of Neros bodyguard Gaius Ofonius Tigellinus (Autolycus).

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire
Abilities: As the wife of the Emperor you have a certain powers in Rome. In the event of a tie you decide who dies plus your vote counts for double.

Tiberius of the Drake


Faenius Rufus
After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one.
Cato the Elder

Hail Rufus, You are Rufus one of the Prefect of the Provisions or the man who supplies all the grain for Rome and ensures that City does not starve. You are the most wondrous sort of man whilst others in your position used it to make large amounts of money for themselves you have done no such thing. You have being completely honest in your dealings and have being fair in all of your actions thus far. It is for this reason you have joined the conspiracy to kill Nero.

Objective. To kill all the Senators allowing you to kill Nero and restore the Republic.
Abilities: With your fellow conspirators Gaius Piso (Romanic) and Epicharis (Chimpyang) You must decide on a target who will be killed.

As this Game has no posting of Role Pms you cover role is that of Publius Egnatius Celer

Romanic

Gaius Piso
The bravest sight in the world is to see a great man struggle against adversity.
Seneca

Hail Piso, You are Piso the leader of the plot against Nero. You are a member of the ancient family Calpurnii most well known for marrying into Julius Caesars' family towards the end of his life. You have being described in a variety of ways, some call you good looking and intelligent others call you snobbish and pretentious. You are the Consul for this year and you are risking many things by plotting against the Emperor should you be discovered your fate will be a very bad one indeed.

Objective: To destroy all Senator so that you may kill Nero and restore the Republic
Ablities: With your fellow conspirators Faenus Rufus (Tiberius of the Drake) and Epicharis (Chimpyang) You must decide on a target who will be killed.

As this Game has no posting of Role Pms you cover role is that of Marcus Asinius Marcellus

Chimpyang

Epicharis
Fortune Favour the Bold
Virgil

Hail Epicharis.You are Epicharis last name unrecorded one of the bravest women that Rome has ever seen and a key conspirator behind the Piso Conspiracy. Whilst the other members of the plot are vainglorious and ineffective you are decisive. Even though it was your decision to approach one of the Commanders of the Navy that lead to the discovery of the plot. Luckily he knows not of your name so whilst your task is now more difficult it is not impossible.

Objective: To destroy all Senator so that you may kill Nero and restore the Republic
Ablities: With your fellow conspirators Faenus Rufus (Tiberius of the Drake) and Gaius Piso (Romanic) You must decide on a target who will be killed.

As this Game has no posting of Role Pms you cover role is that of Lucius Junius Caesennius Paetus

Skooma Addict


Aulus Vitellius

A punishment to some, to some a gift, and to many a favour.
Seneca

Hail Vitellius. You are Vitellius a future Emperor of Rome and current Pro-Consul of Africa. You are one of the men who actually runs this Empire. As a result you are not too happy to be recalled to discover plotters. You would much rather be in Carthage ruling over one of the most important provinces in the Empire. Yet you must do as the Emperor wishes and thus you are in Rome.

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire.


Yaropolk
Gaius Suetonius Paulinus
Persevere and preserve yourselves for better circumstances.
Virgil

Hail Seutonius, You are Gaius Suetonius Paulinus the governor of Britain. You are most well know for defeating the menace that was Boadicea and making certain that Britain remains part of the Roman Empire to this day. Your power in the Empire is great but your position is vicarious as Britain is a backwater of the Empire and the true honour and power rests in the east.

Objective Destroy all threats to the Empire.
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Lord of Lent
Gaius Licinius Mucianus [/B]
One man excels in eloquence, another in arms.
Virgil

Hail Gaius. You are Gaius the Governer of Syria. Whilst you have had to deal with revolts by the Jewish members of your province it has proven to be a very difficult task. There has being some talk in Rome that you are to be replaced as Governer by someone more suited to Military tasks. But you are an able historian who has collected many letters written in the late republic period. You have formed them into books such as Cicero's letters to his friends. So at the very least one thing you do will live on through the ages even if the people will not remember your name.

Objective Destroy all threats to the Republic[/CENTER]

Warman

Seneca
We know that you are mad with much learning
Petronius

Hail Seneca. You are Seneca the leading intellectual of Rome. Well known for your plays and your writings on the Stoic philosopher you are just the kind of man that could one day rule Rome yourself. Which may be why the man you taught, Nero is distancing himself from you these days. No matter you are a loyal man and are not involved in the plot.

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire[/CENTER]

Beefy187

Petronius

I shall never be ashamed of citing a bad author if the line is good
Seneca

Hail Petronius. You are Petronius one of the leading lights of high society in Rome. You are known for your great wit and humour. You wrote the great book Satyricon under a pseudonym. You were on of the greatest writers of the age. If you die it will be a great loss to the entire Roman world.

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire[/CENTER]

Ironhead
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Pliny
The best plan is to profit by the folly of others.
Pliny the Elder

Hail Pliny. You are Pliny, whilst in latter life you will become known as Pliny the Elder for now you are just plain Pliny. You have long seen that Nero has being growing steadily more insane of late. Whilst you have attempted to stay out of politics you have being dragged back into this mess. Whilst you wish for nothing more then to sit back and write books on Grammar and Generals you have being forced to defend yourself.

Objective: To destroy all threats to the Empire

[Romanic]

I was a serial killer; I assume you say again because I played the role in the exact same fashion in Shakespearean Mafia?
Yes :grin:.


Had I not made the conscious decision to play the game in this fashion, the town would have had minimal chance of winning since they needed to lynch me and three mafia to win; in a game of only seventeen people, with two kills per night... I think that this is a bad choice on the part of the host.
I disagree with this. The serial killer and the mafia are enemies, they can't win together, so they are bound at some point to attack each other, helping the Town collaterally. We've seen 17 player games with 3 mafia and 1 SK in the past, it's not unbalanced. Of course the Town could have been crushed in this case, if they can't lynch a mafia before Day 5 (me) and if the SK doesn't kill a mafiosi, but it could have been different story if you did.

[Secura]

I disagree with this.

I don't expect anyone to agree, but my opinion stands. :P

[johnhughthom]

I was a serial killer; I assume you say again because I played the role in the exact same fashion in Shakespearean Mafia?

Apparently it's "totally your style".

[Secura]

Apparently it's "totally your style".

Is it really?

[Romanic]

Apparently it's "totally your style".

Referring to what I said in the QT, and why we killed you:


If ATPG is telling the truth about a vigilante/SK who chose not to kill, that would be Secura, it's totally her style. Kill her tomorrow, she's also a good kill for placing the first vote on me, making her look innocent.
ATPG gave us your identity when he said that a vig/sk wasn't killing. Who else would it be? :grin:

[Secura]

ATPG gave us your identity when he said that a vig/sk wasn't killing. Who else would it be? :grin:

Vigilante perhaps; I think that stems from the fact whenever I have had the ability to vig-kill, there's always been implied repercussions that would put me off doing so (Princess Zelda/Buffy Summers), so I generally avoid it; that's not to say I'll refrain from doing so, but there has to be good cause for doing so, I don't vig with impunity.

But for serial killer? That isn't a matter of choice or fear of reprisal, but more the fact that I'm utterly clueless under the pressure of working alone and having to eliminate everyone else to win; for me, there's no harder role to play in mafia and I'm never going to chalk up a win in such a role.

[johnhughthom]

But for serial killer? That isn't a matter of choice or fear of reprisal, but more the fact that I'm utterly clueless under the pressure of working alone and having to eliminate everyone else to win; for me, there's no harder role to play in mafia and I'm never going to chalk up a win in such a role.

Play as if you are a townie and random.org a kill every night. That's what I do, don't enjoy sk roles either tbh.

[Romanic]

*rofl* at you people. I've never been a Serial Killer or a Vigilante, but I would enjoy these roles a lot. Nobody wants me to have them :bigcry:

Not killing, or random killing, as a Vig or a SK is utter nonsense!!!

please please please... random.org hear my plea, give me one of these roles, please please, pretty please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG gave us your identity when he said that a vig/sk wasn't killing. Who else would it be? :grin:

That was intentional. I didn't want to waste a lynch on Secura, and I also needed clues out there in case someone axed me. If the mafia had killed Secura, and Secura had killed a mafia, that gambit would have been WELL worth it.

Secura was supposed to kill Romanic the other day, and then the mafia would have been all over her. It would have worked if Secura was active.


I do not apologize for my high-risk gray morality strategies as townie. They are more fun, and more unexpected, and give a sharper game against the mafia. It is who I am. This game would have proven my point beyond doubt, were it for a single PM sent.

[Skooma Addict]

*rofl* at you people. I've never been a Serial Killer or a Vigilante, but I would enjoy these roles a lot. Nobody wants me to have them :bigcry:

Not killing, or random killing, as a Vig or a SK is utter nonsense!!!

please please please... random.org hear my plea, give me one of these roles, please please, pretty please.
I was Glorificus in the last Buffy game and didn't kill a soul. I prefer good ol' bland townie roles.

EDIT: In retrospect, I probably should have since Auto went through the trouble of making the role.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was Glorificus in the last Buffy game and didn't kill a soul. I prefer good ol' bland townie roles.

EDIT: In retrospect, I probably should have since Auto went through the trouble of making the role.

Yes.


With due respect, Secura, Skooma, and anyone else:

Some people don't like being basic townies. Some people don't like being mafia. Some people don't like being vigilantes. Some people don't like being serial killers. However, when you sign up for a game you are telling the game host you are both interested in playing, and also willing to play any part handed to you, including strange, bizarre roles, anything they come up with.

You must roll with it; ask to be replaced if you don't want to play, or play the role as intended. Now, there's a lot of leeway there. You don't have to kill as a vigilante. You don't have to protect as a doctor. However, you should investigate as a detective, and you should kill as SK. Mafia have some wiggle room regarding bluffing with their kills. SKs should never go more than one round not killing; it's their mission to kill.

The game host designs a game with balance in mind. Not investigating as detective, not killing as SK, can ruin game balance for one team. Not performing as your role doesn't make the game any more fun for anyone, yourself included. You should, on principle, be willing to play the role sportingly or ask for a replacement. You should also consider what a pain it is to replace people sometimes, as a host, and keep that in mind when you place your name on sign up sheets.

Are you really interested? Think about it.

[Skooma Addict]

Oh do not misunderstand, my stuffed crust friend, I fret not over any role I receive and use what I have to the best of my abilities. I was just stating that when I receive such roles, I like to mix things up a bit and play out of the norm. But looking back at that particular role, it may have been a better decision to just murder unforgivingly instead of going against the grain and against the original intent of the role. I just like to experiment and not killing was a test of sorts that perhaps would have been better saved for another day and another role.

[Renata]

*rofl* at you people. I've never been a Serial Killer or a Vigilante, but I would enjoy these roles a lot. Nobody wants me to have them :bigcry:

Not killing, or random killing, as a Vig or a SK is utter nonsense!!!

please please please... random.org hear my plea, give me one of these roles, please please, pretty please.

Tell me about it. I've been a vigilante a couple of times but for various reasons (mostly getting killed immediately) never once managed to kill anyone. AND I WANT TO.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm even happy when I get to be a SK, even though such roles are almost guaranteed fail.

[johnhughthom]

I'm even happy when I get to be a SK, even though such roles are almost guaranteed fail.

I seem to remember you winning one of my games as an SK. Are you... are you saying my game was fail? :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I seem to remember you winning one of my games as an SK. Are you... are you saying my game was fail? :shame:

I think I was kinder in my assessment of that game than even you were, if I remember correctly. The only reason I won that game is because I worked with the mafia and they ended up getting overconfident and outed themselves just as we were both about to win. A situation that wouldn't have been possible if the host hadn't made it so they could win together, as almost a super-mafia family.

[Captain Blackadder]

Yes and a sk won one of your games atpg. Though that was an epic mafia performance that depended on a lot of luck.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes and a sk won one of your games atpg. Though that was an epic mafia performance that depended on a lot of luck.

Beaver shocked the world with that win, then he disappeared forever....

[robbiecon]

Didn't I tell you jht was Mafia. With 3 votes on him!

I was getting a feeling Romanic was Mafia too, he goes into his massive analysis when he's mafia (incidentally so too do I).

[Romanic]

Didn't I tell you jht was Mafia. With 3 votes on him!

I was getting a feeling Romanic was Mafia too, he goes into his massive analysis when he's mafia (incidentally so too do I).
But I didn't do any massive analysis in this game! :laugh4:

[johnhughthom]

Didn't I tell you jht was Mafia. With 3 votes on him!

I was getting a feeling Romanic was Mafia too, he goes into his massive analysis when he's mafia (incidentally so too do I).

Well then it's your fault the town lost, if you knew I was mafia you should have put some pressure on. :shrug: