Ostracism - Simple yet challenging game of mafia [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Do I see an open slot? If I do, then I proudly present you Ostracism.
For those of you who havn't read my thread on the GAY (:curtain:), this game is basically a traditional game with 16 players, two mafia. Only difference is that players will make a vote in private to represent the ostracism system in Ancient Athens.

In this game, townies will role play as Ancient Athenians. Civilians all capable of changing Athens for the good. But two amongst you will play spy from Sparta and spy from Persia attempting to weaken Athens for their benefit.

As you won't get to use the most useful mafia tactic, to analyze the votes and words of the players (As the players don't even have to talk if they aren't making votes on thread), this game should be very interesting one to figure out.

To prevent players from working out the voters by honestly confessing who voted for who, system called Dumb tally counter will be used.
I will purposely shift one vote to another so it is harder to figure it out.
However this system won't be used in a close vote count.

Simpler version of rules and system
-Set in Ancient Athens
-16 player
-2 mafia, working together (Spartan spy and Persian spy)
-1 kill per night
-All votes on thread is invalid. You must submit your vote on a pm
-You may only make one vote per round. You may not unvote. (For hosts sake, and to accurately portray the ostricism process)
-1 vote randomly picked by random.org will be shifted to another player. This is to prevent tactics which defeats the purpose of this game.
-May not quote pms. May not post screen shots etc.
- Be nice to the host. I'm hosting a large game, and exam week is coming up. I have 5 essays to submit :beam:

I'm looking for 16 brave players to test out this game.
List of players 11/16
Classical Hero
Diamondeye
I-K
Robbiecon
Death is Yonder
Tiberius of the Drake
Captain Blackadder
Askthepizzaguy
Yoyoma
Skooma
Chimpyang

[classical_hero]

THIS IS SPARTA!
In.

[Diamondeye]

Scumtastic! I'm in.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

THIS IS SPARTA!
In.

No, you are wrong. This is ATHENS!
Anyway, I keep my eye on you classical_hero!

EDIT: If it wasn't clear then I'm IN.

[robbiecon]

Yes, I think I will join

[Death is yonder]

In please :bow:

I'm interested in how the activity level is going to work though. Things will be quite hard to figure out once inactivity is factored in.



As you won't get to use the most useful mafia tactic, to analyze the votes and words of the players (As the players don't even have to talk if they aren't making votes on thread), this game should be very interesting one to figure out.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

Interesting :bow:

[Beefy187]

Bump. Need 10 more :help:

[Captain Blackadder]

in please

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reporting for duty, friend of friends.

[Yoyoma1910]

:scorpio:



A game where I don't have to say anything, and I can send secret messages. Sweet.

[Skooma Addict]

In.

[Beefy187]

Starting in 48 hours.
If I can get 12 it will be cool. But 10 is good enough for me.

[Chimpyang]

Wait! Wait! Wait! Count me in!

[Beefy187]

Okay this is the current set up. 11 players. 2 mafias not knowing each other, 1 kill each night so mafia A will get to kill on odd nights and mafia B on even nights. Tally will be randomly manupilated by random.org to prevent the obvious way to win. But only by one or two votes and I won't do that on close vote rounds. Upon tie votes, random.org will randomly decide the victim.

[Beefy187]

This is the form of standard townie pm
(Insert silly name I came up with here.. Feel free to change it)
Athenian

You are one of influential Athenian who will do good for Athens on a long run.

Remember that you must make your votes on private.
Also you may not unvote your vote.

Good luck!

[Beefy187]

Night 0

http://apwhod09.pbworks.com/f/1244038305/ostracism.jpg

Things are going bad in Athens recently.
And what do Athenians do when things are going bad?
OSTRACISM!

You write a name in a piece of pottery, put it in a big pot.
Poor fellow who got most names written will go BANG!! Exiled.

Now how do we find those bad eggs?
Simple. Talk, discuss. Being the smartest in the world, Athenians will never lose a debate.
Those who loses must be the spies..

Start day 1

[Askthepizzaguy]

Classical Hero
Diamondeye
I-K
Robbiecon
Death is Yonder
Tiberius of the Drake
Captain Blackadder
Yoyoma1910
Skooma Addict
Chimpyang


I am accusing Chimpyang of being a spy, as I received word from the gods on Mount Randomlympus that you are a traitor.

All traitors must die, by the beard of Zeus!

[Chimpyang]

My brother, the gods do play merrily with your imagination. However I randomly spied Robbiecon showing off his new Persian wares in the Agora earlier.

[Diamondeye]

Having read the stories of Homer and other great natives to our land, it strikes me as a general trend in the common classical hero to be quite the barbarian - Spartan, perhaps?

[Skooma Addict]

Sparta may be our enemies, but they are still civilized greeks. The Persians are the savages. What's the matter Diamondeye? Couldn't bring yourself to call your own people barbarian, Diamondeye the Persian spy?

[Diamondeye]

Sparta may be our enemies, but they are still civilized greeks. The Persians are the savages. What's the matter Diamondeye? Couldn't bring yourself to call your own people barbarian, Diamondeye the Persian spy?

No, there simply aren't any Persian heroes. Addicts, on the other hand...

[Skooma Addict]

No, there simply aren't any Persian heroes. Addicts, on the other hand...
Hey hey hey, this is not about me and my vices, it's about the spys. I assure you I am no barbarian addict nor am I a traitorous Spartan addict. I hail from a long line of Athenian hedonists, thank you very much.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

As a devout Platonist, I have attempted to look to the highest good for guidance. that failing, I have appealed to the God of randomness and through my prayerful dissertations have found Captain Blackadder to be of Persian Origin

[Yoyoma1910]

For from Parnassus’ heights, enwreathed with snow,
Gleaming, but now there shone
The oracle that bade us, one and all,
Track the unnamed, unknown one.
For, lo! he wanders through the forest wild,
In caves and over rocks,
As strays the mountain bull,
In dreary loneliness with dreary tread,
Seeking in vain to shun
The words prophetic of the central shrine;
Yet they around him hover, full of life.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The spies, if they know each other, will likely bandwagon their votes, as there are no repercussions to doing so.

A spread vote by the Athenians means death in this game. Pick a target and crunch.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Okay this is the current set up. 11 players. 2 mafias not knowing each other, 1 kill each night so mafia A will get to kill on odd nights and mafia B on even nights. Tally will be randomly manupilated by random.org to prevent the obvious way to win. But only by one or two votes and I won't do that on close vote rounds. Upon tie votes, random.org will randomly decide the victim.

The spies don't know each other. So, they can't bandwagon their votes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The spies don't know each other. So, they can't bandwagon their votes.

Don't discount that. Both understand that they have a partner out there wanting to bandwagon votes with them. Subtle communication is possible.

I've played a lot of mini games with a similar setup; they will work together. If we don't take proactive steps to counter that, the game will be over on the second lynch.

[Diamondeye]

Hence, we all vote I-K for doubting what Pizza says! Sounds Greek to me!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Hmm.. Pizza sounds very foreign to me. I don't remember any good Athenian eating pizza..

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm.. Pizza sounds very foreign to me. I don't remember any good Athenian eating pizza..

hes never heard of greek pizza (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/fa/20090623143755!Greek_pizza.jpg)... kill him.

[Diamondeye]

Hmm.. Pizza sounds very foreign to me. I don't remember any good Athenian eating pizza..

I beg to differ:


The Ancient Greeks had a flat bread called plakous (πλακοῦς, gen. πλακοῦντος - plakountos) which was flavored with toppings like herbs, onion, and garlic. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza)

In other words; Pizza.

It is clear that we've found our Persian spy!

[robbiecon]

By Apollo! All is not well. And where is my finest robe?!

I'm going for some plakous now, anyone want to join me?

[classical_hero]

Don't discount that. Both understand that they have a partner out there wanting to bandwagon votes with them. Subtle communication is possible.

I've played a lot of mini games with a similar setup; they will work together. If we don't take proactive steps to counter that, the game will be over on the second lynch.
I remember a game at TWC where I had a an unknown mafia partner and he subtly left a clue for me to read in the thread and I totally missed it and ended up killing him, so sometimes subtlety can count against you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

sometimes subtlety can count against you.

THIS IS NOT A SUBTLE CLUE THAT I AM A SPY.

I AM TOTALLY NOT LEAVING A CLUE FOR THE OTHER SPY HERE.

I REPEAT: I AM NOT LEAVING CLUES FOR ANY SPIES IN THIS OR ANY OTHER POST.


totally worth it. :bounce:

[classical_hero]

hes never heard of greek pizza (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/fa/20090623143755!Greek_pizza.jpg)... kill him.
That is just using feta cheese instead of a good Italian cheese, mozzarella. So clearly you are infiltrating this place.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is just using feta cheese instead of a good Italian cheese, mozzarella. So clearly you are infiltrating this place.

Actually, it's pretty clear that Robbiecon is infiltrating this place. He's looking for his "finest robe".

Not sure what kind of roleplaying that is, but it smells of seeking his buddy.


By Apollo! All is not well. And where is my finest robe?!

I'm going for some plakous now, anyone want to join me?

To "join" him. Yes, I am sure that's innocent stuff they will be joining together to do.

[Death is yonder]

All this talk about pizza, cheeses and flat bread is making me hungry, time for some beef :curtain:

:tongue:

[Beefy187]

All this talk about pizza, cheeses and flat bread is making me hungry, time for some beef :curtain:

:tongue:

Is someone threatening my life :curtain:
Do I need to shoot my misiles?

Just one hour left until this day ends. If you havn't sent your votes in, be quick
Night phase will last for 23 hours so I can be in bed around 11o.

[Captain Blackadder]

Men of Athens in this the darkest of all times we have but one thing to guide us in this task and that is who has shown themselves to be disloyal. In this way I say that the one known as Skooma is suspect he has traveled around the world and I fear he has picked up too many bad habits from the Persian's look at the head piece he wears and say to me is that not Persian.

[Beefy187]

Important announcement

Feedback wanted.
Currently three players are tied and I expect that is going to happen alot. This round, I will ask the random God to decide, but from next round on wards, I was thinking maybe we could do a revote on those tied players. Or any other suggestion is welcome :bow:

[Diamondeye]

If I'm one of the three tie-fighters (sorry), just lynch me. It's going to happen anyway :curtain:

[Beefy187]

Day 1 summery

http://www.greecetaxi.gr/Philosophers/AthensDemocracy.jpg

The votes were read up in front of the people.

2 votes
Robbiecon
Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye

1 vote
Captain Blackadder
I-K
Skooma Addict

So the three men with two votes were brought forward.
The ostricism committee guy Beefy stood up and questioned each of them.
"Robbiecon. Why does the people want you exiled?"
"Supposedly I was wearing a Persian cloth." he answered.
"Is that true Robbiecon?"
"I must say to my fellow Athenians that, that is a total lie. I am born Athenian and will die Athenian!"

Beefy faced the pizzaguy.
"Askthepizzaguy. Why does the people hate you?"
"It is completely foolish. Foreigners! Those foreigners doesn't know about plakous. It must be them! Am I not Athenian if I love my plakous? Well if you ask me, its not! I here by publicly announce my love for plakous. You can even call me asktheplakousguy! So as I was saying...."

Beefy had to stop the rant. He quickly spoke to Diamondeye.
"Diamondeye. Why are you suspected?"
"I have no clue. Guys this is not very polite. This is democracy! If you have any problem then say it out loud... Like a Athenian!"

"Very well" said beefy. "It seems that all three of one denies to be the traitor. However it is our tradition to exile the one chosen by this pottery. We shall ask our goddess Athena to decide."

Beefy ordered the three to stand around him. He closed his eyes and started spinning around. He spinned and spinned until he felt dizzy and pointed.
"Your going to be exiled!!"

Beefy failed to point any one... Well there was a young man called Thermal Mercury standing there. Gazing Beefy in disbelief.
Beefy coughed awkwardly and re pointed at Diamondeye.
"Diamondeye. People of Athens and Goddess Athena chose to exile you! Leave Athens immediately! You may not come back until we say so!"

So Diamondeye left the town. Chased out by the people who he once thought was friends.
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Beefy was reading the votes again. He realized someone completely miscounted the votes.
"What is this?"
"Ugh... Who cares. Whats done is done."
"We have a important role. We must not make any mistakes! Never do it again!"
"Yes yes..."

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Remaining 10/11
Classical Hero
I-K
Robbiecon
Death is Yonder
Tiberius of the Drake
Captain Blackadder
Yoyoma1910
Skooma Addict
Chimpyang

Exiled 1/11
Diamondeye

Killed 0/11

Start Night 1. Spartan spy, please submit your night order :bow:

@Diamondeye. It was the random gods. I only read your post after I did the write up.

[classical_hero]

Two people did not vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can see people did not heed my advice. Well, I can predict the outcome of this game already. ;)

[Diamondeye]

I can see people did not heed my advice. Well, I can predict the outcome of this game already. ;)

Somehow I had counted on you and I being two of the tied players...

[Chimpyang]

Day 1 summery
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Beefy was reading the votes again. He realized someone completely miscounted the votes.
"What is this?"
"Ugh... Who cares. Whats done is done."
"We have a important role. We must not make any mistakes! Never do it again!"
"Yes yes..."

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Does this mean that Diamondeye got to 2 votes in the dumb tally system?

[Diamondeye]

Does this mean that Diamondeye got to 2 votes in the dumb tally system?

I don't really think so, but meh. Looked more like a voteswitch to me on first read, but it could be the dumbtally. Beefy said it would not be there on close lynches, so I'm guessing it didn't manipulate the three top votees.

[Beefy187]

I don't really think so, but meh. Looked more like a voteswitch to me on first read, but it could be the dumbtally. Beefy said it would not be there on close lynches, so I'm guessing it didn't manipulate the three top votees.

Correct. I just played around with the bottom votes.

[Death is yonder]

I can see people did not heed my advice. Well, I can predict the outcome of this game already. ;)



A spread vote by the Athenians means death in this game. Pick a target and crunch.

So you're suggesting that the desired result is a more unified Athenian vote?

I haven't played these kinds of games before but just wondering, is creating a "consensus" in thread about the voting, lets say:

DiY: "Alright folks, today we'll all pile our votes on person A"

What you are suggesting?

I mean like currently the votes are spread as -most- people are voting for who they think is their top suspect, without announcing it, yet wouldn't an announced bandwagon target (possibly justified or something but the purpose of beefy's game was to reduce the ability to garner justification by a large margin right?) be easier for the spies to hide in, as long as they aren't the target.

Clarification needed :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you're suggesting that the desired result is a more unified Athenian vote?

I haven't played these kinds of games before but just wondering, is creating a "consensus" in thread about the voting, lets say:

DiY: "Alright folks, today we'll all pile our votes on person A"

What you are suggesting?

I mean like currently the votes are spread as -most- people are voting for who they think is their top suspect, without announcing it, yet wouldn't an announced bandwagon target (possibly justified or something but the purpose of beefy's game was to reduce the ability to garner justification by a large margin right?) be easier for the spies to hide in, as long as they aren't the target.

Clarification needed :yes:


In my opinion, the game under these rules is radically different from a traditional mafia game.

The reason is, we do not know who the leading candidate for the lynch is. And, the mafia aren't going to be voting for themselves.

If the vote is close, the odds are quite against the mafia being lynched. And, the mafia need to provide no justification for their votes. That's why no one found me suspect in the first round, yet I still got two votes.

If we do not remove the ability of the spies to manipulate the tally, via bandwagon (and this is one of the few times I would advocate such) then be prepared to lose this game, period. A divided town with no clue what the tally is, is not going to win the game. That's pretty much a fact.

Honestly, how are the mafia going to get lynched with 1 vote on them? Seriously.

[Beefy187]

Tally manipulation will be gone when we are down to 6 left.
That is not the spy ability. That is a game system to prevent towns winning easily.

[classical_hero]

So that means one of the other two must have been the spy, so we know who to vote for next round and if it is incorrect then go after the other one.

[Beefy187]

Night 1 summery

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2463/3625383373_5ba50ab9c3.jpg

I-K was walking in the dark alley, back home. He saw a man blocking his way.

"Kind sir, would you move out of the way please? I'm trying to go through here" he asked.
Man shook his head and said "Enemy at the hot gates. We must not let them in."

I-K being a historian, guessed that the man was talking about Thermopylae.

"Where is your enemy? This is Athens and I am a fellow Athenian." I-K answered.
"Indeed." said the man. "Indeed you are an Athenian. But you greedy Athenians are the very thing we are afraid of. Athenian will wreck the Greek culture if they're greed. They must be stopped."

I-K figured out that this was the Spartan spy everyone has been talking about. But couldn't do anything to dodge the knife.

.................................................................................................... ..

With I-K found dead in a corner where crimes are uncommon meant someone was afraid of his presence and wanted him out of this world.
One stab at the heart was definitely a work of professional.

Citizens gathered up in the meeting square and started discussing again... Who could be the traitor.

Remaining 9/11
Classical Hero
Robbiecon
Death is Yonder
Tiberius of the Drake
Captain Blackadder
Yoyoma1910
Skooma Addict
Chimpyang
Askthepizzaguy

Exiled 1/11
Diamondeye

Killed 1/11
I-K

[Ibn-Khaldun]

This game was.. hmm.. short!

[robbiecon]

How come Askthepizzaguy doesn't show up on the lists in the update? Also I-K yesterday questioned "any good Athenian eating pizza" (Countered by the plakous talk)

[Death is yonder]

How come Askthepizzaguy doesn't show up on the lists in the update?

Beefy probably forgot to add the name.

Hmm, I just thought about something.

@Beefy, since the spies don't know who each other are, and kill on alternate nights, is it possible for the Spartan Spy to kill the Persian or vice versa?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How come Askthepizzaguy doesn't show up on the lists in the update? Also I-K yesterday questioned "any good Athenian eating pizza" (Countered by the plakous talk)

Oh robbie, that's such a weak case and you know it. My vote yesterday seems to have been well placed.

Can I get a little help this time, hmmm?

[Beefy187]

How come Askthepizzaguy doesn't show up on the lists in the update? Also I-K yesterday questioned "any good Athenian eating pizza" (Countered by the plakous talk)

Forgot to add for some reason. Its there now :bow:

[Yoyoma1910]

Night 1 summery



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With I-K found dead in a corner where crimes are uncommon meant someone was afraid of his presence and wanted him out of this world.
One stab at the heart was definitely a work of professional.




Oh robbie, that's such a weak case and you know it. My vote yesterday seems to have been well placed.

Can I get a little help this time, hmmm?



You have to admit, the writeup does imply that it was someone who was concerned with I-K, as well as someone who has a history of Mafia.


Further, that whole "I am not leaving a subtle clue here that I am the spy" post does remind me of some of the things you (used to) do when you were mafia.

[Diamondeye]

@Beefy, since the spies don't know who each other are, and kill on alternate nights, is it possible for the Spartan Spy to kill the Persian or vice versa?

:curtain:

[Beefy187]

Oh yes. Spies could very certainly kill each other

[Skooma Addict]

I saw ATPG coming out of the bath house the other night. His chest was hairy. A little too hairy...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I saw ATPG coming out of the bath house the other night. His chest was hairy. A little too hairy...

I love how all my suggestions are being ignored, and without any reason, I'm being accused.

Town will do really well this game. :laugh4:

Fine, if we're going to be unproductive, let me join in. I'm not voting this round, so you will be one vote short. How's that sound?

[Beefy187]

extending the round for another 12 hours.
Shortage of votes, and to better suit my schedule.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Awesome. :laugh4:

I bet the only ones voting at this point are the spies.

I'm going to place my vote on Skooma, just for spite.

[Skooma Addict]

lol you do realize Robbiecon had 2 votes last phase right? Meaning that another good intentioned greek cast a vote on him along side yours. hintity-hint-hint

Besides, spitefulness is unbecoming of true Athenians such as ourselves. I propose we do something so silly it will just be ignored. I propose we use...the honor system! We come to a consensus on who to vote for by using an in-thread tally of some sort. Person with the most "nominations", receives our votes for Ostracism to our Lord and Master, Beefy. We count the tally after the lynch has occurred to see how many ppl actually followed through, accuse people of not respecting the consensus, vote for them, madness ensues, etc. Of coarse, this will fail mostly because no one will go along with it but hey, at least the idea is out there for you guys to improve upon.

[Beefy187]

Day 2 summery

http://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/150/102/909/kuZL.jpg

The pottery was counted. Beefy asked for the vote count and the counter announced the following.
Robbiecon- 3 votes
Skooma- 2 votes
ATPG- 1 votes
Yoyoma- 1 vote

So Robbiecon was the one to go.
Robbiecon smiled sadly and asked for a quick speech.
Beefy showed him the stage. Robbiecon bowed and stood up.

"Fellow Athenians. Well... I'm going to be exiled."
Few laughed.
"I'll be gone to place far far away. But I just want you to know that my heart is always with this beautiful city. And the people who I was raised with."
Few cried.
"Good bye mother Athens! Farewell!"
More cried.

Then Robbiecon walked passed other influential figures and said.
"My Athens is yours. Make her prosperous."

Robbiecon packed his belongings and left the city.

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No one heard about Robbiecon for a long time. But few hundred years later, traveler flipping through the records of Persian library has found Robbiecons name amongst the spies. It seems that Robbiecon was working for the Persian palace.

Athens is definitely going to the right direction.

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Behind the scene, Beefy was shouting again...
"I'll sack you!! I'll sack you!!"
"I swear! I counted correctly!!"
"Well yes you did... But you didn't read correctly!!"
"Again Beefy... One more chance and I'll get it right."
"Please.. I'm counting on you."

Remaining 8/11
Classical Hero
Death is Yonder
Tiberius of the Drake
Captain Blackadder
Yoyoma1910
Skooma Addict
Chimpyang
Askthepizzaguy

Exiled 2/11
Diamondeye
Robbiecon

Killed 1/11
I-K

With Persian spy dead, there will be no night kills on even nights.
Lets go straight to day 3.

[robbiecon]

And I would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky kids!

[Chimpyang]

Damn, numeracy rates in Athens has been going down since we were in school. And good job ATPG.

[Skooma Addict]

So it is day phase now, correct?

[Askthepizzaguy]

lol you do realize Robbiecon had 2 votes last phase right? Meaning that another good intentioned greek cast a vote on him along side yours. hintity-hint-hint

I was one of the two to cast my vote for robbiecon yesterday, but was dismayed by the votes on me today, so I voted for one of the people tossing suspicion on me for no reason.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, you were hinting you voted for him too. Sorry, just got home, long day, unable to process information.

Sorry I couldn't have been more help last round, but I was wondering where my townies were at and what sort of strategy we were going to use.

I don't have another suspect, someone please nominate someone, I'll follow if I agree.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry for the triple-post. I miss having my assistant mod powers.

Uhhh.... I'm not going to wait, I'd like to put some pressure on Chimpyang. One of the things scums typically do is congratulate when their buddies get destroyed. Such as classical_hero and his private conversation with me regarding the deaths of Renata and Beskar in the CoV game.

Also note the other scum's reactions whenever their own died. They seem to feel compelled to congratulate.

Sorry, Chimpyang. It's a gut decision, and I have no other reason, but no reason to vote for anyone else at this time.

[Skooma Addict]

Looks like it's just me and you pizza. Feel free to point out the flaws in my proposed townie strategy.

[Death is yonder]

My brother, the gods do play merrily with your imagination. However I randomly spied Robbiecon showing off his new Persian wares in the Agora earlier.

I thought it as a RP post when I first saw it, but upon seeing it I'm wondering whether its possible that this was an attempt to find his partner. Its possible that keywords were given to the individual spies to try and find each other, and right here, I'm finding the choice of diction (underlined) very odd. A word such as "detected", "spotted" or even "saw"/"chanced upon" or something similar would have been typical, but instead Chimpyang uses the word "spied".

I'm not looking so much at the fact that Robbie was indeed a Persian spy, but rather Chimpyang's odd choice of diction, which could possibly be an attempt to fish for his partner (and indeed the following segment about Persian wares in the Agora) might just truly have been RP, and the real significance was only in the word "spied".

I could be wrong, but this in conjunction with what pizza said leads me to not discard it easily.

Worth a shot.

Edit: If not clear, this was from the first round

[Captain Blackadder]

I feel fellow Athenians that the one known as Θάνατος as well as ζητεί από την are correct Chimpyang seemed to be fishing for a contact with someone however it could also be that he was a great tracker and found out that Robbicon was persian.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel fellow Athenians that the one known as Θάνατος as well as ζητεί από την are correct Chimpyang seemed to be fishing for a contact with someone however it could also be that he was a great tracker and found out that Robbicon was persian.

Incorrect; it was day one. There was no time to track anyone. We had only just discovered there were spies in our midst.

I would like Chimpyang to explain his comments. I actually have not voted yet, so my vote is still up for grabs, but unless something changes, it will be on Chimp.

[Diamondeye]

And I would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky kids!

It's "meddling", I believe :beam:


So it is day phase now, correct?

I had the opposite impression.

[Askthepizzaguy]

With Persian spy dead, there will be no night kills on even nights.
Lets go straight to day 3.

I, on the other hand, had the opposite of the opposite impression.

[Captain Blackadder]

Incorrect; it was day one. There was no time to track anyone. We had only just discovered there were spies in our midst.

I would like Chimpyang to explain his comments. I actually have not voted yet, so my vote is still up for grabs, but unless something changes, it will be on Chimp.

Forgive me I thought there had being time for a particular intelligent person to discover the spies without our midst. Since there was no time to do such a thing it is most suspicious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Forgive me I thought there had being time for a particular intelligent person to discover the spies without our midst. Since there was no time to do such a thing it is most suspicious.

Could be a lucky shot, I'd hate to penalize someone for being competent. It's just that he said the words "persian" and "spied" and he didn't mention the spartan spy. Why would he only be focusing on the one spy, instead of the other?

Only the Spartan spy would have a single-minded interest in the Persian spy.

Perhaps the Spartan spy admired the Persian's firm, tight buttocks.

Caught you red-handed! Errr.... red-faced! Red something! Spartan-y! Very Spartan-ish!

Sparty?

Spartastic?

Let me try again.... how Spartan of you, Spartan!

[Chimpyang]

Or that it's a slip of the tongue/typist's fingers. Probably played too much 'I spy' as a kid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or that it's a slip of the tongue/typist's fingers. Probably played too much 'I spy' as a kid.

So, you admit you've been training as a spy since you were a young greek, sir Chimpy. A confession! You might as well spill the rest of it. Don't make it worse for yourself. We know the Spartans train as young children to fight like men.


My brother, the gods do play merrily with your imagination. However I randomly spied Robbiecon showing off his new Persian wares in the Agora earlier.

Somehow, this doesn't sound like a slip of the tongue/finger/wrist. It sounds quite eloquent, in fact.

I note that my single, red-faced "vote" for you made you a bit flustered. You felt the need to respond to my randomosity?

[Diamondeye]

I think the reasoning here is shaky at best. But it's worth a shot.

[Chimpyang]

And such eloquence is capable from a Spartan spy? I had to pick 50-50 between the persian and spartan spy to label robbiecon for RP purposes, a Spartan being stylish and fashion conscious? Dionysus laughs upon that day! Tiberius of the Drake and Captain Blackadder also happened to label someone as a Persian spy, but where is the pressure on them, instead you're letting them hide within this bandwagon, based on your gut?

I see you deliberately misconstrue my response to put more pressure on me, you know perfectly well that it was a poor choice of wording. I could similarly lambast Yoyoma for posting a poem first, yourself for posting in 'Spartan' red, if I wanted to construct more spurious cases.

As to my response it's not scummier than the other people who also made a post with a decision in the first round. When I can and cannot get on here is not as freely as whenever I need to so thought I had better get a vote in regardless, since it would be random anyhow.

Also: a tell is far less subtle in this game it seems: with the power of hindsight, read robbiecon's post. Now that's a tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

By Apollo! All is not well. And where is my finest robe?!

I'm going for some plakous now, anyone want to join me?

You mean this? I already commented on how unnatural it sounded here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132725-Ostracism-Simple-yet-challenging-game-of-mafia&p=2053256554&viewfull=1#post2053256554


How come Askthepizzaguy doesn't show up on the lists in the update? Also I-K yesterday questioned "any good Athenian eating pizza" (Countered by the plakous talk)

This was his other comment, trying to put suspicion on me based on silliness.


Oh robbie, that's such a weak case and you know it. My vote yesterday seems to have been well placed.

Can I get a little help this time, hmmm?

And my response.


To be honest, I don't see where the tells are, nor would I expect to find any from him, seeing as he didn't know who his spy friend was in the first place.

However, I appreciate what you're saying here, and I am still mulling whether to place my vote elsewhere. Any suggestions?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Men of Athens in this the darkest of all times we have but one thing to guide us in this task and that is who has shown themselves to be disloyal. In this way I say that the one known as Skooma is suspect he has traveled around the world and I fear he has picked up too many bad habits from the Persian's look at the head piece he wears and say to me is that not Persian.

This post here could be a coded response to the Persian spy, seeing as he keeps saying the word Persian.

If I were to read guilt into it....


Men of Athens in this the darkest of all times we have but one thing to guide us in this task and that is who has shown themselves to be disloyal. In this way I say that the one known as Skooma is suspect he has traveled around the world and I fear he has picked up too many bad habits from the Persian's look at the head piece he wears and say to me is that not Persian.

But I feel this may be grasping at straws, really. It doesn't seem clear enough to be a code, but if it is, it is well disguised.


Captain Blackadder, Chimpyang, who did you vote for in the past two rounds, please?


As a matter of fact, I would ask everyone to reveal who they voted for in the past two rounds.

I voted for robbiecon (in spite of my red-faced Chimpyang.... I wished to surprise bandwagon Chimp's suspect so it would have the effect of possibly breaking ties. Also, how I feel about divided townie votes, I did something about it.) and then I voted for Skooma.

[Skooma Addict]

I remember a game at TWC where I had a an unknown mafia partner and he subtly left a clue for me to read in the thread and I totally missed it and ended up killing him, so sometimes subtlety can count against you.
Something about this post feels funny. Smells funny too. To the paranoid mind, it reads more like a warning then a narrative of past events. Whatever the case, we need to actually reach a consensus or agreement this time around.

[Askthepizzaguy]

pick a target, I have to go to work.

[Captain Blackadder]

I voted for Skooma first round and missed the second round.

[Chimpyang]

And having returned from the pub, I missed the first round and then voted for Robbiecon.

[classical_hero]

Something about this post feels funny. Smells funny too. To the paranoid mind, it reads more like a warning then a narrative of past events. Whatever the case, we need to actually reach a consensus or agreement this time around.
It was a response to ATPG ramblings which did seem suspicious to since I have been in a similar situation where the two Mafia did not know each other, so it looked like a veiled attempt to do so. I just think that ATPG is protesting too much.

[Yoyoma1910]

I could similarly lambast Yoyoma for posting a poem first...

First off,
I always post
In poetic form.


Second,
That was from Oedipus Rex,
And I felt it quite relevant.

[Beefy187]

I'll extend this round for another 6 hours as I'm still missing votes

[Askthepizzaguy]

It was a response to ATPG ramblings which did seem suspicious to since I have been in a similar situation where the two Mafia did not know each other, so it looked like a veiled attempt to do so. I just think that ATPG is protesting too much.

If you don't know me by now.... you will never, never, never know me.

I play high-risk and I'm willing to lay down for the cause, but I'll still protest a silly lynch.

Now, you know what my reaction typically would be here, look at Robbie and Skooma and my votes for them. So either you like to live dangerously or you're not the scums we're looking for.

The only truly incriminating thing you've done is suggested I'm "rambling", which sounds like reasonless, directionless blather. I think you know that I don't do such a thing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have determined that Death is yonder for Death is yonder.

He's taking a backseat in this game, even though he talks much when he does post. Nice level of activity, is not "lurking", avoiding all the classic triggers.

[Death is yonder]

And maybe out of the house the whole day after he goes to sleep till 8pm his time too which is about 14 hours? :clown:

Anyway, I voted Tiberius of the Drake on the first round, feeling that it was likely that the mafia on the first round would likely post BOTH rp posts AND citing randomness for votes.

Second round, I was in a hurry so I voted for Skooma.

Third round, I feel that my theory is at the very least, worth a shot, although I agree that its not a very substantial case, just a gut tweak.

In any case, correct me if I'm wrong:

You're suspicious if Blackadder's post was an attempt to find the other spy, so you now want Chimpyang and him to explain their votes, and for that matter, everyone else.

And you're saying that I'm suspicious because I haven't been giving off any scum tells. Oh darn, I give off scum tells when I'm scum and people rightfully suspect me, and I don't give off scum tells as non-scum, and people suspect me.

Oh dear, I really should stick to one category, perhaps Beskar's (always scummy) category, or perhaps the always not-scummy category :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh dear, I really should stick to one category, perhaps Beskar's (always scummy) category, or perhaps the always not-scummy category :tongue:

You seem strangely annoyed by a single vote, and my attempts to question suspects. :inquisitive:

[Death is yonder]

Not really :beam:


my attempts to question suspects.

Was just clarifying your stand on Blackadder, and just generally lamenting the general ease in which I'm read in general.

You'll understand post-game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not really :beam:



Was just clarifying your stand on Blackadder, and just generally lamenting the general ease in which I'm read in general.

You'll understand post-game.

My stand is that everyone in the game besides me is a suspect. I've been consistent with that stand, because I've nearly accused every living player so far, and at least one of the dead.

After questioning and pressuring some suspects, they felt worthy of an extension, because they responded satisfactrily. Chimpyang in particular didn't really buckle at all under pressure, and I was almost certain I was going to lynch him.

You deserve some pressure.

Hey, is there anyone out there willing to own up to the votes that I got on round one, or did they just magically appear out of thin air?

[Death is yonder]

Might have been my vote + dumb tally counter.

After all, I did vote for Tiberius, I noticed he didn't get a vote on round 1 so I surmise it must have been my vote that was changed.

Unless of course the dumb tally counter only switches the vote to someone with 0 votes making it 1 vote for a different person instead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

According to Beefy, the vote was not changed in such a way that it could have affected the lynch, so the dumb tally counter was NOT responsible for my 2 votes rouund 1.

That means someone here does not want to admit they voted with robbiecon to try to lynch me, and they're likely the scum.

[Beefy187]

Day 3 summery

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414mP9EG8BL.jpg

At the end of the day, votes were counted..
It reads

ATPG 2
Chimpyang 3
Captain Blackadder 1
Death is Yonder 1

So Chimpyang was the choice today.
Chimpyang didn't hide nor flee.
Instead he drew his knife and charged at other influential figures... like a brave Spartan.
He was captured by all the Athenians and bashed to the death.

People of Athens joyed in the victory. In 3 days they have defeated their enemies.
Proving the effectiveness of the Ostracism system.

TOWN VICTORY!

Vote count
Robbiecon 2 (ATPG, Skooma Addict
Diamondeye 2 (I-K, Chimpyang
Captain Blackadder 1(Tiberius of the Drake
Ibn k 1( Diamondeye
ATPG 2 (Yoyoma, Classical Hero)
Tiberius of the Drake 1 (Death is Yonder. Vote taken away by the dumb tally counter)
Skooma Addict 1 (Captain Blackadder)

Chimpyang kills I-K

Robbiecon (Chimpyang, Classical Hero, Tiberius of the Drake
ATPG (Robbiecon, Yoyoma) Vote switched by the dumb tally counter
Skooma (Death is Yonder, ATPG


Day 3
ATPG (Yoyoma, Classical Hero
Chimpyang (DiY, Captain Blackadder, Skooma Addict
Captain Blackadder (Chimpyang
Death is Yonder (ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, now I feel silly. :laugh4:

Should have kept my votes on my original suspects.

[classical_hero]

Poor I--K, the only one to be killed in this game. God work guys.

[Diamondeye]

Well played, town! We rock :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You seem to have a great interest in me, Yoyoma. :laugh4:

[Romanic]

Wow an almost flawless victory is impressive given the votes were hidden. :applause:

Always nice to see the Town win some.

[Death is yonder]

Woo! :beam:

Out of curiosity, was your choice of diction really trying to fish for the other spy, Chimpyang?

Thanks for the interesting game Beefy, the base concept was intriguing :bow:

On a similar note however, since this is an experimental game and you might decide to move forward on this:

The dumb tally vote counter I believe, seemed to be insufficient to counter vote revealing, such as when pizza called for votes to be revealed. As a voter whose vote was the directly affected one on the tally, it was easy to correctly represent the tally, the only deficiency being that you still didn't know who voted who if not everyone revealed. Perhaps in the future a few features could be tweaked around to suit what you are trying to achieve with the game system.

[Romanic]

The dumb tally vote counter I believe, seemed to be insufficient to counter vote revealing, such as when pizza called for votes to be revealed. As a voter whose vote was the directly affected one on the tally, it was easy to correctly represent the tally, the only deficiency being that you still didn't know who voted who if not everyone revealed. Perhaps in the future a few features could be tweaked around to suit what you are trying to achieve with the game system.

I thought the system was fine. You forgot to mention that dead players cannot reveal who they voted for in the previous rounds, this makes it even harder to reconstitute the tally. But even without dead players, the mafia can lie about their votes and the dump counter provides a good alibi. Dump counter + claiming to have voted with many other players = hard to figure who is lying, and you can't be sure if one is lying.

Afaik, the Town hasn't picked a mafia using vote reconstitution, right?

[Chimpyang]

Choice of diction was purely accidental, I knew from the outset that I was playing against the Persian spy, and not with. With hindsight, next time that I'm mafia, I'll be much more careful to not attract attention. If you voted for me based on that lead alone though, then the town got lucky since the choice of words was just an idiosyncracy, somewhat like Yoyoma's verse

My strategy was to try and identify the persian spy quickly, although i chased some floppy red herrings around it seems, and when enough townies have died as a result of our kills, finish off the spy if I could, since there would have been no way of identifying targets that the opposition spy would pick, with the odds of me getting hit increasing as the game goes on. Once the persian spy was down though, it bought me less time to win the game, since the town can randomly bandwagon vig 2 people before there would be a guaranteed townie kill from me. My odds of surviving wasn't great when looking at how many phases I would be in the firing line for before the finish line was in sight!

[Skooma Addict]

lol glad I voted him last minute. w00t

EDIT: Poor Robbiecon never even got a chance to kill anyone. :2thumbsup:

[Yoyoma1910]

... just an idiosyncracy, somewhat like Yoyoma's verse.


I don't understand your meaning behind this statement.

[robbiecon]

I know and I do enjoy a good night kill Skooma.

[Chimpyang]

I'm illustrating that it is a haibt of yours to use verse in the first post of mafia, it's a habit and personal marker of word usage that I would have said that sentence in the exact same way as I did.