Kingdoms Crusades HS: The Levantine Struggle (completed, winner: Thanatos Eclipse)

[phonicsmonkey]

The Levantine Struggle

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/Biz_Staples_Crusades1small.jpg

This is a hotseat campaign in Kingdoms: Crusades with the 1.5 patch, for 5 human players as follows:

1. Principality of Antioch: Thanatos Eclipse (formerly Tristan de Castelreng)
2. Kingdom of Jerusalem: Myth (formerly GeneralHankerchief) RIP turn 55
3. Byzantine Empire: Cecil XIX
4. Turks: phonicsmonkey (formerly Ezilkannan, Quirl, Tosa Inu)
5. Egypt: Nightbringer RIP turn 23

The rules are as follows:
- Players shall post a link to the save game in the main game thread and also send a private message to the next player in line to alert them that it is their turn. The save game file should follow the naming convention LS-turn number-faction (eg. LS-1-Antioch)

- Players have 48 hours to play each turn, with extensions granted at request. The GM will skip a players' turn if the deadline is missed with no communication and a sub allied to the player cannot be found.

- All battles between human-controlled factions are to be auto-resolved

- No spies may be used to open the gates of settlements or forts.

- Siege equipment may only be used to open gates as follows: Ballista can open nothing, Catapults can open wooden walls, Trebuchets can open stone walls.

- No crusades or jihads can be called or joined by a human player.

- No destroying buildings for cash under any circumstances.

- No fighting losing defensive battles on purpose in a besieged city, just to deny the invader the sacking option.

- If an army is beaten in battle by a faction that is after them in the turn order that army may not move on the following turn.

- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.

- No exploits, including (but not limited to): no merchant forts, no surround-and-destroy, no tribute deals that deliberately put you into debt greater than 10k, no deliberate diplomatic exchange of territories just to get a free garrison, no tribute deals with or monetary gifts to the Pope, no attacking ships in ports.

If a player is in doubt about whether an in-game action is permissible he shall consult the GM who will make a ruling. Players are requested to compete in a good spirit and use their judgment and sense of fairness at all times.

If a player is suspected of cheating, please make a private report to the GM and avoid making a public accusation or resorting to flaming in the game thread or elsewhere.

The first save game file is here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8716) and Antioch is up.

Have fun!

[_Tristan_]

Will play this tonite (my time)...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Out of curiosity, how does this rule:


no tribute deals that deliberately put you into debt greater than 10k

...help the player? I think I have an idea but confirmation from somebody who is actually smart about these things would be helpful.

[Cecil XIX]

Off hand, I believe being in debt can help give your generals good traits. Although I'm assuming there's something else that makes it big enough to ban, of course.

[Nightbringer]

I would assume it is to prevent a player from boosting an allies economy too much before dying. As in, you have one province left, and are going to die very soon, so you make a deal to give your ally 100,000,000 florins each turn. They actually get that much and you go into that much dept.

[phonicsmonkey]

I would assume it is to prevent a player from boosting an allies economy too much before dying. As in, you have one province left, and are going to die very soon, so you make a deal to give your ally 100,000,000 florins each turn. They actually get that much and you go into that much dept.

Exactly.

[_Tristan_]

The defense of the Levant has begun !! Dieu le veut !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/vmm29wakv7yoq1z/LS-1-KOJ.sav)

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys, should I start an in-character diplomacy thread for this game? I'm thinking it could be set at Jerusalem, Constantinople, Cairo or Baghdad - let me know what you think.

[GeneralHankerchief]

hey guys, should I start an in-character diplomacy thread for this game? I'm thinking it could be set at Jerusalem, Constantinople, Cairo or Baghdad - let me know what you think.

:yes:

As for the location, that's up to you. I'd obviously prefer Jerusalem, but this isn't coming from the most unbiased source.

[Nightbringer]

I would vote for Constantinople, I like it the best and it is a city known for political intrigue.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Byzzies are up:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8718

At this time the Kingdom of Jerusalem is publicly claiming Damascus and that other rebel settlement just to the south of it (whose name is escaping me at the moment, curse being awake at 4am).

[Cecil XIX]

Hmm, looks like I was a little late. My apologies. (http://www.mediafire.com/?2xe57tc7tg9ox19) :shame:

[Lachin]

Egypt is up: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8726

[Nightbringer]

Antioch up!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3j2h31

[_Tristan_]

Jerusalem (http://www.mediafire.com/?4lyo9a67izgy9kc)

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll get to this tomorrow, Edmund Burke isn't exactly the most readable guy around. :wall:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Byzantium now:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8732

[Cecil XIX]

The Turks are next. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8733)

[Lachin]

Egypt is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8734)

[Nightbringer]

Antioch up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8736

[_Tristan_]

I will do this sometimes today... sorry for the delay I'm away from home

EDIT : ... If I can download the save... Which I can't at the moment because the link points to the uploader and not the file...

[Nightbringer]

it should be in the pbm 2011 files, LS Antioch t3

[_Tristan_]

Crusaders !! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8744)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Byzantium!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8745

[Cecil XIX]

Here're the Turks! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8746)

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys I had an idea I want to run by you.

What if I used my admin rights to access your save games and produce a kind of composite AAR of the game, including campaign maps, screenshots, in-game stats etc?

I would of course lag this by an appropriate number of turns in order to avoid compromising the competitive nature of the game (would 5 turns be enough?) and if you like I could check with the players on individual pieces of content / information to make sure everything is ok before posting.

The idea would be to produce a record of the game that could be enjoyed by the players and also by any spectators.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd like this idea very much. As a matter of fact, the only reason why I haven't done any writeups for this is precisely the reason you mentioned.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'd like this idea very much. As a matter of fact, the only reason why I haven't done any writeups for this is precisely the reason you mentioned.

Yeah I find the story threads in hotseats only tend to get going once the initial turns are out of the way. Of course we can still have a story thread where you guys can do your own writeups.

I could then link to them in my 'turn-by-turn' which would be more of a commentary-free account of the state of the world at each end turn... posted in the first post of this thread.

[Cecil XIX]

I too think this is a good idea.

[Nightbringer]

I support this 100%

[_Tristan_]

Yes, it would beat the one-side view write-up some of us did for the preceding Crusades hotseat campaign (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95433)

[Lachin]

Egypt is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8750)

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm assuming, unless I hear otherwise, that NB is not making a formal complaint about the alleged destruction of buildings at Ascalon and that I don't need to investigate this. Send me a PM if this is not the case.

Just as a reminder, destroying buildings is banned in this hotseat.

[Nightbringer]

Oh, I didn't even remember it was banned, so I did not mean to accuse him of cheating. I was thinking that it was within the rules, just some sneakiness on his part. I believe him completely that he didn't though, I just thought it started with more buildings in it. Do not bother to check any saves.

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh, I didn't even remember it was banned, so I did not mean to accuse him of cheating. I was thinking that it was within the rules, just some sneakiness on his part. I believe him completely that he didn't though, I just thought it started with more buildings in it. Do not bother to check any saves.

I thought so.

[Nightbringer]

oops, forgot to upload the save. I thought it was my turn again after one day!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8751

[_Tristan_]

The Most Holy and Noble Kingdom of Jerusalem (http://www.mediafire.com/file/zb7rxewmeyrfds5/LS-4-KOJ.sav) :wink:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Go Greek or go home:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8763

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, I bought myself four turns of time. Better than what I was expecting. :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

lol, I thought as much. Truthfully I was just advancing full on anyway, I was doing everything I could to provoke you into war with me.
:)

[Cecil XIX]

Turks up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8768)

[Lachin]

Egypt is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8771)

[Nightbringer]

Antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8772

[phonicsmonkey]

Yes, it would beat the one-side view write-up some of us did for the preceding Crusades hotseat campaign (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95433)

By the way I greatly enjoyed reading this back in the day.

[_Tristan_]

By the way I greatly enjoyed reading this back in the day.

And I greatly enjoyed both playing and writing it... Though I used my fair share of not-yet banned exploits in those days... Dirty fighting...

[_Tristan_]

Glorified and Godly Kingdom of Jerusalem (http://www.mediafire.com/?bjn18v1z87oif36)

[GeneralHankerchief]

And I greatly enjoyed both playing and writing it... Though I used my fair share of not-yet banned exploits in those days... Dirty fighting...

Ugh, don't remind me. :wall: I was using surround-and-destroy on your agents 3 at a time just to break even. If it wasn't for Zim and Doug-Thompson (come back!) coaching me you would have plowed right through Asia Minor.

[_Tristan_]

Doug-Thompson (come back!)

Yes, come back !!

[phonicsmonkey]

Yes, come back !!

Thirded. I consider Doug-Thompson and Sinan my horse-archer mentors.

[_Tristan_]

The only thing I missed in that hotseat back then was seeing Doug in command of a horse archer army, live... Auto-resolve didn't give him a testimony of his true skills... In retrospect, it's perhaps better or this hotseat would have ended much sooner for me...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Basileus, the floor is yours:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8779

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8782)

[TosaInu]

Egypt is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8784)

[Nightbringer]

antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8788

[phonicsmonkey]

Guys, Tosa has just pointed out to me that we have the ability to upload files directly to the post in this thread using the 'manage attachments' button. So no need to use either the org uploader or any external file hosting sites.

I can't believe I never noticed this before! Thanks Tosa!

EDIT: by the way my AAR for turn one is now complete in the other thread. Please add stories of your own to flesh it out if you are inspired. Just make sure you reference which turn the story relates to so the reader can understand.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tristan, how goes?

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll skip this turn later today to keep things moving if I haven't heard from him by the time I get home (8 hours or so)

EDIT: Unless he is allied with someone who can sub for him? I'm a bit nervous of that in these small games where neighbours can turn enemies at the drop of a hat...

[GeneralHankerchief]

I mean... Jerusalem and Antioch are in-game allies but I couldn't even pretend to say I know Tristan's ultimate intent.

All in all I wouldn't feel comfortable with taking his turn unless he gives me express permission to do so in the future.

[_Tristan_]

Sorry I didn't get a PM (I think...) so I didn't notice my turn was up... I'll play it tonite when I get home...

EDIT : I checked and I did not get a PM and missed the post here.

[Nightbringer]

sorry, my fault, I played too many turns in too many games at once and forgot to send some pms.

[_Tristan_]

No problem... It happened to me before...

[_Tristan_]

The Unassaillable Kingdom of Jerusalem !!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Greece time!

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's Turn 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8802)

[TosaInu]

Egypt 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8805)

[Nightbringer]

Antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8810

[_Tristan_]

The peaceful and loving Kingdom of Jerusalem !!! (http://www.mediafire.com/?jbj4bdy1tydba2k)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Greece:
1139

[phonicsmonkey]

I realised I must have accidentally closed the AAR thread, thereby stopping you guys from posting your own stories. Sorry about that! I re-opened it now.

Mod fail I'm afraid.

[Cecil XIX]

The Turks! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8826)

[Lachin]

Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8828)

[Nightbringer]

Antioch

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8829

[phonicsmonkey]

My turn two update (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133477-The-Levantine-Struggle-A-Crusades-Hotseat-AAR&p=2053276113&viewfull=1#post2053276113) is finished. About time to start work on turn three. Is this worthwhile? It should get more interesting later I'm thinking...

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is definitely worthwhile. I know for me anyways, the in-game messages start to ramp up in a turn or two. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

Let me know if any of them can be made public...I was assuming they'd all be private.

[Nightbringer]

I think mine would still be private at this point.

[_Tristan_]

Keep up the good work, Phonics...

And...

Jerusalem : Because it's cool to Crusade !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/hv48qtv8d1mrecx/LS-KOJ-8.sav)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Phew, that save came at a really bad time for me but luckily I was able to get it done.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8836

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's Turn 8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8839)

[Lachin]

Egypt turn 8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8845)

[Nightbringer]

well, it appears not only are my troops considered vastly inferior in auto resolve, but my game has no true notion about how far crusader armies are able to move. Ah well, tis just one more blow in the life of a Sultan.
Antioch up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8846

[GeneralHankerchief]

well, it appears not only are my troops considered vastly inferior in auto resolve, but my game has no true notion about how far crusader armies are able to move. Ah well, tis just one more blow in the life of a Sultan.
Antioch up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8846

Haha, I was lucky. In order to repulse that last siege of yours I had to squeeze out every single movement point I could just to get my armies in position. Some of them didn't even have enough to go one more tile to begin the battle, I had to use a closer army to initiate things.

[Nightbringer]

for some reason my game showed them barely getting to Jerusalem, ah well, well played general!

[GeneralHankerchief]

:bow:

A good back-and-forth so far.

[_Tristan_]

Jerusalem : Home of the Brave !! (http://www.mediafire.com/?ddwmco894p66ouk)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Doug-Thompson (come back!)


Yes, come back !!


Thirded. I consider Doug-Thompson and Sinan my horse-archer mentors.

I think we may be getting our wish, gentlemen. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133811-First-impressions-thread&p=2053279697&viewfull=1#post2053279697) :2thumbsup:

[_Tristan_]

Yep, I had seen this as I was going over the old Hotseat for Nostalgia's sake... And I saw Doug was back for Shogun !!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Byzantium!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8851

[phonicsmonkey]

I think we may be getting our wish, gentlemen. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133811-First-impressions-thread&p=2053279697&viewfull=1#post2053279697) :2thumbsup:

I spotted that too! I even saw Sinan over there in some MP thread or other...

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8854)

[_Tristan_]

Now that you've played your turn, Cecil... Can you confirm that last turn one of your armies got caught in an ambush ? How big was it, if you don't mind telling ?

[Lachin]

Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8865)

[Cecil XIX]

Now that you've played your turn, Cecil... Can you confirm that last turn one of your armies got caught in an ambush ? How big was it, if you don't mind telling ?

I can confirm that none of my armies got caught in an ambush.

[Nightbringer]

antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8869

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys - we had an incident where a defeated navy was sunk on the following turn when it should have been immune.

Can I please request that when defeating an army or a navy you post the name of the Admiral, Captain or General here when posting the save, so that subsequent players can keep track?

Otherwise we'll have to start posting screenshots which is more onerous.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This should only work for forces that are defeated and the defeated force is before in the turn than the victor, correct?

For example, if I defeat an Egyptian army I shouldn't have to post the name since the army won't be able to move anyway.
But if an Egyptian army defeats one of my forces Nightbringer should post the name of my army because otherwise it would still have all of its movement points.

...I think this is it.

[phonicsmonkey]

This should only work for forces that are defeated and the defeated force is before in the turn than the victor, correct?

For example, if I defeat an Egyptian army I shouldn't have to post the name since the army won't be able to move anyway.
But if an Egyptian army defeats one of my forces Nightbringer should post the name of my army because otherwise it would still have all of its movement points.

...I think this is it.

In theory yes - but in practice it's probably best to post the names of all defeated armies/navies, so there's no doubt and also so that other players know not to attack them.

In the current incident I believe the ship in question had no move but was still attacked by mistake.

EDIT: as an additional comment, this works rather better over at TWC where there is a requirement to post screenshots. However I personally find that an unnecessary drag and would prefer to just post names if I were playing...

[_Tristan_]

In the current incident I believe the ship in question had no move but was still attacked by mistake.


In fact the ship had all its movement points and could have been retreated bar the rule preventing just that...

GH, I would advise posting the names as it would point out to Nightbringer, for example, the armies you defeated, that he shuoldn't reinforce or it would make them assaillable in your turn.

To be clear, being first in the turn, if I defeat an army from anybody, can I attack it on the next turn or not, as it has not been able to move or does it ony apply to the players that come after me in the turn that have defeated my armies ?

What of my armies that are defeated on my turn (fingers crossed...) ? Can they be moved on my next turn ? Attacked by players that follow me in the turn order ?

[phonicsmonkey]

To be very clear: no army or navy beaten in battle may either be moved or be attacked (unless reinforced) on the following turn, regardless of the position in the turn order.

[_Tristan_]

Jerusalem : Now accepting English Kings !! (http://www.mediafire.com/?22otd3cndx3o073)

[GeneralHankerchief]

And now we're back to Byzantium!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8877

Defeated armies: Captain Youssef outside of Kerak.

(also damn, I forgot to change the faction name for this turn. :laugh4:)

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8878)

Defeated Arthur Cottaz.

[Lachin]

Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8880)

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry guys, apparently we've had another rules snafu and GH attacked an army that he had defeated the previous turn (Captian Yousef I'm guessing), drawing out the Karak garrison.

We're gonna need to wind it back and replay from GH's turn.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Argh, sorry guys. :wall: Guess that speaks of the need to keep track of these things though.

[Nightbringer]

Oh, already announced, sorry about slowing the game down, I know it was just an accident though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, new save (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8884) for Byzantium. This time I just ignored the defeated army and besieged Kerak.

Again, really sorry about this guys. It won't happen again. :wall:

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's up! https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8891

[Nightbringer]

soo...

Does anyone know a person who would like to step in and play the Turks.

[_Tristan_]

Are you volunteering ?

It might be time to get this back on track, if only in memory of Tosainu

[phonicsmonkey]

Are you volunteering ?

It might be time to get this back on track, if only in memory of Tosainu

Totally. He would want the game to keep going.

Behind the scenes I've been trying to recruit a new player from the ranks of people I know. So far no luck but I have a couple more ideas before I throw it open to the public.

[Nightbringer]

Are you volunteering ?

It might be time to get this back on track, if only in memory of Tosainu

Um, I'm not sure that would be fair as I am already playing the Fatimids :)

Although if no one minds...

But I really do want to continue this hotseat, it has been fun and Tosu would want that.

[phonicsmonkey]

Um, I'm not sure that would be fair as I am already playing the Fatimids :)

Although if no one minds...

Leave it with me a little longer...it'd be better to find a new player than have someone sub. I'm keen to get this rolling again though.

[Nightbringer]

Who said anything about subbing, the Fatimids are always looking for more territory. XD

[_Tristan_]

Who said anything about subbing, the Fatimids are always looking for more territory. XD

That's for sure but I think GH would like to disagree on this...

[phonicsmonkey]

Who said anything about subbing, the Fatimids are always looking for more territory. XD

hmm

[Quirl]

Yo. I'll be replacing the great Tosa as the Turks in this hotseat. Anyone who had any schemes with the Turks going on behind the scenes, feel free to contact me. :thumbsup:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good to see this running again. :yes:

[_Tristan_]

Welcome Quirl...

I had a deal with the Turks whereb they had agreed to gift me all their territories save Baghdad....




(Just kidding, of course)

[Quirl]

Welcome Quirl...

I had a deal with the Turks whereb they had agreed to gift me all their territories save Baghdad....(Just kidding, of course)

lol. 'Bout to say... :clown:

Should have the turn up in a bit!

[Quirl]

Egypt!

http://www.mediafire.com/?xr9cr2v7pbp7oq2

P.S.
Oh... seems my request to become a content manager went through. Wasn't even informed first. lol. :P

[phonicsmonkey]

I spoke in your favour buddy. Welcome to the team.

It's good to see this game up and running again!

[Quirl]

I spoke in your favour buddy.

Thanks man! I plan to abuse my powers, usurp the mods, and have a legendary civil war between you and myself. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

Thanks man! I plan to abuse my powers, usurp the mods, and have a legendary civil war between you and myself. :yes:

Get in line. Everybody wants a piece of the monkey.

[Nightbringer]

antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8969

[_Tristan_]

Jerusalem : Leprosy means nothing ! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/dc21ycacm3iubjc/LS-KOJ-11.sav)

[phonicsmonkey]

:laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Will get to this tomorrow, have a paper to write tonight.

[Quirl]

Get in line. Everybody wants a piece of the monkey.

That's what happens when you fling poo at everyone. :P

[GeneralHankerchief]

Byzantines:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8971

Armies defeated: Sultan Saladin, and only Sultan Saladin (the other two are still besieging Ascalon). Let's hope Baldwin's night fighting gamble pays off. :sweatdrop:

[Quirl]

Byzantines:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8971

Armies defeated: Sultan Saladin, and only Sultan Saladin (the other two are still besieging Ascalon). Let's hope Baldwin's night fighting gamble pays off. :sweatdrop:

Sweet! Perhaps you could liven the courtroom with such news? :)

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't want it to backfire and have the Jerusalem representative have his foot in his mouth after the Egyptians retaliate. :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

XD I will gladly sever your foot and shove it all the way down your throat if you would prefer.

[Quirl]

lol. Oh well. I enjoy good Diplomacy brawls. :)

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's up! (http://www.mediafire.com/?1pm3o5qbgbsn3cj)

[Quirl]

Egypt!
http://www.mediafire.com/?usnkdgd1vup363h#1

[Nightbringer]

A great victory for the Fatimid caliphate! Ascalon has fallen and the foul crusader king's army has been slaughtered. The king now skulks in the besieged city of Jerusalem, awaiting his death. Meanwhile, two new armies are almost complete within Egypt. Against this storm, the so called "kingdom of jerusalem" will fall.

And just as a reminder, Saladin cannot be attacked this turn as he was unable to move, and your troops inside jerusalem and the castle just to the west of it (can't remember the name) are not allowed to move as they retreated there. (except for the troops that occupied that castle before my turn of course)

oh yes, the erm, save.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8977

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys

I've been asked by one player whether I would consider playing Venice when the 4th Crusade appears.

What does everyone think? One thing is, because I didn't set them as playable at the start, I'd need to access the save from the end of the previous player's turn (Egypt) and hit end turn myself - as you can't save anywhere on Venice's turn itself or the game will crash.

[Nightbringer]

I'm fine with that.

[_Tristan_]

A great victory for the Fatimid caliphate! Ascalon has fallen and the foul crusader king's army has been slaughtered. The king now skulks in the besieged city of Jerusalem, awaiting his death. Meanwhile, two new armies are almost complete within Egypt. Against this storm, the so called "kingdom of jerusalem" will fall.

And just as a reminder, Saladin cannot be attacked this turn as he was unable to move, and your troops inside jerusalem and the castle just to the west of it (can't remember the name) are not allowed to move as they retreated there. (except for the troops that occupied that castle before my turn of course)

oh yes, the erm, save.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8977

It seems that like many of Org uploaders link, this one is broken for me... Can someone repost it ? Or better upload it somewhere else ?

You'd play Venice, Phonics or find another player for it ?

[Nightbringer]

ere ya go
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bebkqf

[phonicsmonkey]

i was thinking I'd play it myself - or, if it comes up during my vacation, ask Zim to do it (I haven't spoken to him about it yet)

[Quirl]

I'm for Phonics playing Venice... or some other player.

[_Tristan_]

Jerusalem : Ja mata, Fatamids !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/zfvsjbtelvci725/LS-KOJ-12.sav)

Phonics, I was wondering if you were going to take part in person because you have a lot of OOC knowledge of ingame developments, and though I know you for an honourable player, it would remain difficult to make abstraction of that knowledge when playing the Venitians.

[phonicsmonkey]

I wasn't going to play them to win - just as GM to make sure they actually did what they were supposed to do and made life difficult for the Byzantines. I'm confident I can do that without a conflict of interest and without using any knowledge I get from my AAR.

[Quirl]

I wasn't going to play them to win - just as GM to make sure they actually did what they were supposed to do and made life difficult for the Byzantines. I'm confident I can do that without a conflict of interest and without using any knowledge I get from my AAR.

If that's how you're gonna play them, then again I still support you playing them.

If not phonics, then, again, another player. Either way, Venetian AI is too useless to fight on its own. Too many cheap ways to pacify them.

[phonicsmonkey]

We'll see what Cecil thinks - he has the most to lose from this after all.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Could I possibly receive a 24-hour extension for my turn? This is a very busy time of year for me and I should be back to normal by the time my next turn comes up.

[_Tristan_]

If that's how you're gonna play them, then again I still support you playing them.

If not phonics, then, again, another player. Either way, Venetian AI is too useless to fight on its own. Too many cheap ways to pacify them.

Then I'm OK with it as well... I just wondered how your GM position could be reconciled with being a full-fledged player...

[phonicsmonkey]

Could I possibly receive a 24-hour extension for my turn? This is a very busy time of year for me and I should be back to normal by the time my next turn comes up.

Sure thing

[Quirl]

:balloon2::balloon3::balloon::balloon2::balloon3::balloon::balloon2::balloon3::balloon:
:elephant:___:drummer:___:elephant:
:guitarist:__:singer:__:guitarist:
:thinking2:

[Quirl]

:cake:

:thinking2::thinking2::thinking2::thinking2:

[Nightbringer]

Happy birthday?

[Cecil XIX]

Neither GH nor Quirl's page indicates that yesterday was their birthday. And there wasn't any notice on the frontpage of the Guild, either. I confess, I'm clueless.

[Quirl]

Well, no one's saying anything in the courtroom and there's a lag 'til the next turn... so... gotta entertain myself, somehow.

[Nightbringer]

lol

[Quirl]

lol. Sorry for the confusion. :clown:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, Greece up, finally. Thanks for the extension. :bow:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8994

[_Tristan_]

Cecil ?

[Cecil XIX]

:wall: I did everything except actually upload the blasted thing. Sorry. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/3klwwd)

[Quirl]

Egypt!
http://www.mediafire.com/?s6m4uybf67xe736

[Nightbringer]

that save is still on the turks turn... :)

[Quirl]

DEAL WITH IT!!

I mean...

I'll correct that later tonight when I get home. :)

EDIT:

Sorry about that. EGYPT!

http://www.mediafire.com/?1akustwr5r3827e

[Nightbringer]

Jerusalem has been retaken by the mighty forces of the Fatimids!

antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9004

[Quirl]

Jerusalem has been retaken by the mighty forces of the Fatimids!

antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9004

Congrats, Nightbringer! We gonna get a council chamber proclomation? ;)

[_Tristan_]

Sorry for the slight delay...

Jerusalem : My death ? Just the beginning... (http://www.mediafire.com/?8pja90po4rgiaav)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for the slight delay...

Jerusalem : My death ? Just the beginning... (http://www.mediafire.com/?8pja90po4rgiaav)

Crap, just saw this now (gotta PM me, Tristan! :charge:). Will get to this tomorrow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Greco-Romans:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9010

Armies defeated: Sultan Saladin.

[_Tristan_]

Crap, just saw this now (gotta PM me, Tristan! :charge:). Will get to this tomorrow.

Sorry about that... Played three turns in as many hotseats, I forgot to Pm you...

[Cecil XIX]

Turks' up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9011)

[Quirl]

AH! Somehow, I didn't even see this. Cecil sent me the PM, but I must have missed it. I'll get to this immediately. Sorry, just graduated last Friday and been moving around since. But doing right now...

[Quirl]

EGYPT!
http://www.mediafire.com/?t49974bswe5qgtp

[Quirl]

So...

[Nightbringer]

very sorry, I didn't get a pm and didn't realize it was my turn.
here is save, antioch up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9036

[Zim]

If this turn isn't played before I finish work tomorrow, I'll go ahead and skip it.

[phonicsmonkey]

I sent Tristan a pm yesterday with no reply. I'll skip this turn when I get home to keep the game moving.

[phonicsmonkey]

Confederacy of Jerusalem (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9064)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nice, glad to see this is up and running again. :yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9065

Nightbringer, don't forget to let people know when armies have been defeated. Took me a couple of minutes before I realized that my force on the fleet used to have more guys. :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

oops, good you noticed that, and thanks for doing so. I actually wasn't able to see where that army had retreated to though so I was as much in the dark as you were.

[Cecil XIX]

Sorry guys, I got the PM but completely forgot about it. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9079)

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9092)

[Nightbringer]

antioch up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9095

[phonicsmonkey]

i really hope Tristan appears soon

[phonicsmonkey]

GH do you think he would mind you subbing for him?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry everyone, just saw this now. phonics and I agreed that I'd be subbing for Tristan for a turn or two. Save will be up soon.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ack, I've run into a bit of a problem. I just played the Antioch turn, and as soon as I hit the "end turn" button, the screen froze on what looks to be the cycling shields as normal, but the problem is it stays there - on Antioch (or Armenia or whatever Tristan called it). In other words, I get no chance of advancement to the Jerusalem screen and the cursor has totally disappeared. Is this a greater issue/one that the hotseat regulars know about, or should I just play the turn again and hope for the best?

[phonicsmonkey]

It's probably the Venetians trying to spawn. Can you try again and just leave it for a long while? Sometimes the scripts take a really long time to run.

If I don't hear from you by the time I'm at home tonight I'll try it myself.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, it finally took. Doing Jerusalem now.

[phonicsmonkey]

Awesome, so we have Venetians!

Please don't play from the save that GH posts because I'll need to access it tonight and enable them for human control.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Two saves for you.

Jerusalem save, mostly for phonics' purposes when he gets around to the writeup (which have been excellent, btw :2thumbsup:):
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9110

Byzantium:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9111

Phonics, you'll PM Cecil then since you're going to fiddle with the save first?

[Visor]

They won't work unless you do one of two things:

1. Had them set as playable in the descr_strat file and selected them in the faction selections screen.

If you haven't done that, then you will have to clear the player before Venices password and that person must not hit end turn, and the venice player loads up the save then hits end turn. Otherwise it will screw up.

[phonicsmonkey]

They won't work unless you do one of two things:

1. Had them set as playable in the descr_strat file and selected them in the faction selections screen.

If you haven't done that, then you will have to clear the player before Venices password and that person must not hit end turn, and the venice player loads up the save then hits end turn. Otherwise it will screw up.

Yes I'm all over that, but thanks anyway. We'll have to load from the autosave because Venice is not playable in descr_strat.

It's a pain but it's workable - we did this for WotK for 40 turns. Venice won't last that long.

[Visor]

Good to know you've got this covered. Venice probably won't last long at all unless Byz are AI, or getting smashed. Turks really need to start of stronger in the crusades campaign.

@ Phonics

It's better to just set them playable in the descr_strat before you start a campaign, makes it easier. You can play as all emergent factions in M2TW easily this way.

[phonicsmonkey]

Good to know you've got this covered. Venice probably won't last long at all unless Byz are AI, or getting smashed. Turks really need to start of stronger in the crusades campaign.

The reason I'm playing them, by the way, is that the Turkish player suggested they should have a human player controlling them so that they present a problem for the Byzzies like they are supposed to. If they are AI they just get blocked off with forts and ignored.

[phonicsmonkey]

Byzantium (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9114)

[phonicsmonkey]

If I don't hear from Cecil soon I'll have to skip this.

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry Cecil, the show must go on.

Turks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9128) are up

I'm starting to worry about this game - we have two players AWOL (Tristan and Cecil) and another (Quirl) who is not sure he can continue

fingers crossed!

[GeneralHankerchief]

S'aright, I'll just take the four factions and Nightbringer can have Egypt (and Venice, I guess). That's fair, right? :tongue:

[Nightbringer]

mmm, nah, I think i get byzies and turks, you are free to have the rest

[phonicsmonkey]

Does anyone object if I sub the Turks until Quirl reappears? I think their interests are probably aligned with the Venetians'.

[Nightbringer]

fine by me

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9139)

Defeated Richard Longsword of Antioch near Theo-wotsit. He and his army can't move next turn. I have a screenshot of it if needed to identify which units can and can't move.

Once I catch up with the AAR and get it back to five turns behind I'll lay off it for a while so I don't end up with conflicts of interest while playing two factions in this game as well as GMing.

Hopefully Quirl and Tristan will reappear and fix this problem for me.

[Nightbringer]

Jerusalem's pitiful armies have once again proved inferior, with Arsuf being captured by Saladin's forces!
antioch up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9143

[Cecil XIX]

Sorry for having to skip my turn guys, I was unexpectedly swamped with RL concerns. I really want to keep this game alive, so I'll do better next time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

FYI, I'll play my save(s) tomorrow.

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for having to skip my turn guys, I was unexpectedly swamped with RL concerns. I really want to keep this game alive, so I'll do better next time.

No problem Cecil, good to have you back!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, in my second consecutive issue-plagued turn, my computer is now failing to recognize my Kingdoms disc (he's still using discs, how quaint! :gossip:). I'm going to play around with some things for a bit and try again. If you haven't heard back from me in 24 hours, feel free to skip Antioch and Jerusalem.

-edit- Upon examination, a piece of plastic is missing on the inner ring. Not looking good.

[phonicsmonkey]

-edit- Upon examination, a piece of plastic is missing on the inner ring. Not looking good.

uh-oh

[Nightbringer]

Personally, I've had that happen twice, it is extremely annoying.

[Visor]

My kingdoms disk has a chip out of it, still works surprisingly. :P

[GeneralHankerchief]

Skip away, at least for this turn. I'm going to check to see if I can get another Kingdoms game for cheap.

[phonicsmonkey]

Would you like someone to sub for you (and Tristan) instead? Zim might be willing if you send him some instructions and the password. I'd hate the outcome of the Levantine Struggle to be determined by a chipped DVD...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm, I guess subbing would be better in this case. I'll PM Zim and see if he's interested.

[phonicsmonkey]

Let me know if he's too busy and I'll ask someone from one of the other games to help out instead.

[jturcoman]

Hi, sorry for nontopic message but i need to get the answer quickly to my question. I want to start a crusades 1.05 hotseat in a local tw forum but couldnt manage to set myself as admin, i downloaded a save file in this hotseat and saw that you ve managed to set an admin password. Could anyone tell me how to do that?

I add admin_password = mypassword but i can select more than one faction in faction list in crusades campaign. And if i use kingdoms hotseat campaign mode, i am unable to set myself as admin.

Thanks in advance....

[phonicsmonkey]

Welcome to the org jturcoman! Try following the instructions in the FAQ thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?102193-Welcome-to-the-Throne-Room!-Rules-FAQ-and-Links-%28Including-File-Upload-Systems%29&p=2228640&viewfull=1#post2228640) and if that doesn't work pm me and I'll see if I can help.

Also, have you considered hosting your hotseat here at the Throne Room instead? We'd love to have you here.

[Nightbringer]

also, you should feel free to perhaps join this hotseat :)
as our Antioch player seems to be MIA

[GeneralHankerchief]

FYI, going on 36 hours since I PM'd Zim and no response.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, I'll find another sub

[Nightbringer]

hmm, I'll sub :) I can play the whole game all by myself!

[phonicsmonkey]

also, you should feel free to perhaps join this hotseat :)
as our Antioch player seems to be MIA

Turkey is also up for grabs - I don't think Quirl is returning anytime soon.

[Nightbringer]

So it seems, as of right now, I am indeed the only player. (although GH is back soon). Do I win? XD

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Hold your horses, I'll be subbing crusading forces this turn; although it looks like I may need to come on full time, if for no other reason just to put your ego back in check :p

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Both Crusaders subbed,
Turkish Crown Prince and his forces defeated
Lonely Turkish General, Jalal, defeated
Greek ship by Tyre defeated

Byz up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9173

[phonicsmonkey]

Turkish Crown Prince and his forces defeated
Lonely Turkish General, Jalal, defeated

Frankish scum!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

If it makes you feel better, I wasn't able to reach the other army cause of that loser Longsword who you defeated last turn

Edit: By the way, I'm willing to take over Antioch if you still want, three front war looks like fun

[phonicsmonkey]

By the way, I'm willing to take over Antioch if you still want, three front war looks like fun

That'd be great mate, welcome to the game!

Actually I have no idea which army my Crown Prince was leading...I only took over the Turks a turn ago.

[Nightbringer]

welcome to the game Thanatos!

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's Up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9193)

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for the delay I'll get to this tonight

[phonicsmonkey]

Turk's Up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9193)

Hi Cecil, that doesn't work for me, either here or directly from the uploader - can you please try uploading it again?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

The download works fine for me, but the file was uncompressed, which might have been your problem.

Try this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9223)

[phonicsmonkey]

thanks that works

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt
(https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9227)
Fulk le Brun and his rabble of cowards were defeated in battle by the armies of Islam.

[Nightbringer]

here is the autosave
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9228

[phonicsmonkey]

Hmm - I see Cecil attacked and defeated the Venetians on the Byzantine turn before they had a chance to move or do anything.

That seems a little unfair on them - what does everyone else think?

EDIT: forget it, I'm not going to play them anyway, I have enough on my plate and they were only ever going to be a distraction for Byzantines.

Antioch (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9230) is up!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Sultan Saladin the Killer
-Did not live up to his reputation

Acre returned to the faithful!

Jerusalem up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9234

[Nightbringer]

tis a sad day, damn antioch. Ah well, we still have plenty more troops, and new heroes will be born.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Greeks up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9249).

[Cecil XIX]

Turk's up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9252)

[phonicsmonkey]

Ezilkannan is going to take over the Turks for me, which means I can get back to my AAR (so expect some pms from me with pics for approval)...

Welcome to the game Ezilkannan!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Welcome Ezilkannan, ;)

[Nightbringer]

welcome!
I have already sent you a pm about, certain matters...
muhahahhaha!

[ArcturUs]

Egypt up! (http://depositfiles.com/files/tybyywn9v)

[Nightbringer]

Antioch!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9260

Also, all of Jerusalem's armies that were besieging me were defeated and cannot move this turn.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

This is a busy weekend for me, so I might not be able to get to this till monday, if that's ok

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Jerusalem up

1483

Trabriz captured
Both Turk forces seiging Qarisiya beaten, cannot move next turn

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, all of Jerusalem's armies that were besieging me were defeated and cannot move this turn.

BALLS

Also, Greeks up. :laugh4:
1512

[Cecil XIX]

Turks're up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9274)