There is no "God".

[HoreTore]

Sorry to break the news; it's true.

And Liverpool will be a mid-table side at best for years to come. You know it's true.

[LeftEyeNine]

rrrRRROWNAY !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLd4R7XyWoU&playnext=1&list=PL821E6A2E93169B20

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sorry to break the news; it's true.

And Liverpool will be a mid-table side at best for years to come. You know it's true.Well if there is a God he'll prevent the Salford Red Sox from making it 19. I guess we will find out soon enough. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

Well if there is a God he'll prevent the Salford Red Sox from making it 19. I guess we will find out soon enough. :yes:

Don't they call this the Problem of Evil?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sorry to break the news; it's true.

And Liverpool will be a mid-table side at best for years to come. You know it's true.

OK, you know what, despite your churlish topic I'll bite.

Wrong.

"God" clearly exists, otherwise one could not suggest that "God" does not exist, it would be impossible to have this discussion. the argument that man has had with himself since the beginning of time is what "God" is.

Is "God" merely an idea, or the Creator of the universe, or an insignificant microbe? That is the important question, and one which we cannot as yet actually answer.

[Rhyfelwyr]

So you are saying there is no God because you are so upset about Liverpool's fate? :wink:

[Louis VI the Fat]

"God" clearly exists, otherwise one could not suggest that "God" does not exist, it would be impossible to have this discussion. the argument that man has had with himself since the beginning of time is what "God" is.

Is "God" merely an idea, or the Creator of the universe, or an insignificant microbe? That is the important question, and one which we cannot as yet actually answer.By the same token then, 'no God' must necessarily exist, otherwise one could not suggest that 'No God' does not exist, because otherwise it would be impossible to have this dicussion.

Is "No God" merely an idea, or not the Creator of the universe, or not an insignificant microbe? That is the important question, and one which we cannot as yet actually answer.




Henceforward, I shall demand we teach this controversy at school: does God not exist, or is he not an insignificant microbe? :idea:

[Louis VI the Fat]

I can think of no greater nothing than there not being any god. Reality is always greater than what we can conceive of. Therefore, there must necessarily not exist any god. :shrug:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

By the same token then, 'no God' must necessarily exist, otherwise one could not suggest that 'No God' does not exist, because otherwise it would be impossible to have this dicussion.

Is "No God" merely an idea, or not the Creator of the universe, or not an insignificant microbe? That is the important question, and one which we cannot as yet actually answer.




Henceforward, I shall demand we teach this controversy at school: does God not exist, or is he not an insignificant microbe? :idea:

Clever, but silly. Your "no God" is a rejection of "God", not a new concept in itself.


I can think of no greater nothing than there not being any god. Reality is always greater than what we can conceive of. Therefore, there must necessarily not exist any god. :shrug:

Cleverer, and not denied by theists - except we're still talking about the humanely concieved concept "God" and not the existence of an actual God.

[The Stranger]

OK, you know what, despite your churlish topic I'll bite.

Wrong.

"God" clearly exists, otherwise one could not suggest that "God" does not exist, it would be impossible to have this discussion. the argument that man has had with himself since the beginning of time is what "God" is.

Is "God" merely an idea, or the Creator of the universe, or an insignificant microbe? That is the important question, and one which we cannot as yet actually answer.

god is a concept!

[The Stranger]

Clever, but silly. Your "no God" is a rejection of "God", not a new concept in itself.



Cleverer, and not denied by theists - except we're still talking about the humanely concieved concept "God" and not the existence of an actual God.

so you cant actually say that god exists as well, which you did in your first post, you can only say that the human idea of god exists. only if that human idea of god would be identical to the actual (existence of) God, you could maintain that position.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

so you cant actually say that god exists as well, which you did in your first post, you can only say that the human idea of god exists. only if that human idea of god would be identical to the actual (existence of) God, you could maintain that position.

No, I said '"God" clearly exists' not 'God clearly exists.'

Of course God is a concept, so is my cup of coffee - the question is how closely that concept matches our actual reality.

[The Stranger]

ok. my mistake then.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

ok. my mistake then.

I merely sought to point up the basic falicy in HoreTore's opener, not to mention his somewhat cowardly refusal to remove the quotation marks and object to an actual idea rather than a word.

I think is was Lord Sacchs who said, "You know that God you don't believe in? I don't believe in him either."

[The Stranger]

honestly i think horetore just hates liverpool.

[Centurion1]

the thread title is foolish. you can neither claim that god exists nor does not exist. its impossible to prove either way.

[The Stranger]

because you cant prove it doesnt mean you cant claim it.

[Hax]

the thread title is foolish. you can neither claim that god exists nor does not exist. its impossible to prove either way.

Somewhat like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism)?

[Beskar]

But a massively powerful being is not a god.

An Artifical-Intelligent UFO at the enter of our galaxy controlling everything at the quantum level is not a 'God'. Massively powerful yes, but no god. The whole "conceivable" 'God' thing doesn't work, as the very definition of 'God' is being unconceivable and he is a supernatural being thus cannot be measured by any empirical test, therefore, he doesn't exist.

Also, the denial of existence of a God is not a rejection of a God, as there must be an existence of a God to reject their existence.

[Beskar]

the thread title is foolish. you can neither claim that god exists nor does not exist. its impossible to prove either way.


Actually, it isn't. Ignosticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism)

What is meant by 'God exists' is not meaningful and thus nonsensical.

(and since it is nonsensical, you assume the negative)

[HoreTore]

OK, you know what, despite your churlish topic I'll bite.

Wrong.

"God" clearly exists, otherwise one could not suggest that "God" does not exist, it would be impossible to have this discussion. the argument that man has had with himself since the beginning of time is what "God" is.

Is "God" merely an idea, or the Creator of the universe, or an insignificant microbe? That is the important question, and one which we cannot as yet actually answer.

1. My "churlish topic"? So.... When religious people say that there is a god, they're being intentionally provocative too?

2. There is no such thing as ghosts. But, when I make that claim, it must mean that ghost are real...?

EDIT: From Hax' linky:


The Buddha explicitly rejects a creator,[4] denies endorsing any views on creation[5] and states that questions on the origin of the world are worthless.

HoreTore agrees completely with the Buddha. Are you claiming that Buddhists are wrong, Philipvs?


So you are saying there is no God because you are so upset about Liverpool's fate? :wink:

The two statements are seperate, not linked. I made both because they're equally true ~;)

Arsenal get to beat Barcelona in the knock-out round. Liverpool will face teams like Crawley and Rushden&Diamonds in a few years. These are facts.

[HoreTore]

the thread title is foolish. you can neither claim that god exists nor does not exist. its impossible to prove either way.

Most evangelicals are fools then?

[drone]

Liverpool will face teams like Crawley and Rushden&Diamonds in a few years.
This would prove the existence of God.

[HoreTore]

This would prove the existence of God.

No, that would prove the existence of justice in the world....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

1. My "churlish topic"? So.... When religious people say that there is a god, they're being intentionally provocative too?

2. There is no such thing as ghosts. But, when I make that claim, it must mean that ghost are real...?

Churlish because you are being rude, not because of the theme.

Oh, and religious people are always provocative.

[HoreTore]

Churlish because you are being rude, not because of the theme.

Oh, and religious people are always provocative.

So when a religious guy, Lets say an evangelical, tells me that God exists or he talks to jesus or whatever, he's being rude in your opinion?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So when a religious guy, Lets say an evangelical, tells me that God exists or he talks to jesus or whatever, he's being rude in your opinion?

That depends on how he frames it doesn't it?

You are rude and generally disrespectful of large groups of people who do not deserve it, and you build a militant-atheist version of "God" or "religion" to use as your personal punching back. In my opinion you sometimes verge on mysanthropy.

[HoreTore]

"There is a god.

Sorry to break the news; it's true."

Try guessing what religion the guy who made the pamphlet that statement is taken from follows.

Is he being rude?

[The Stranger]

1. My "churlish topic"? So.... When religious people say that there is a god, they're being intentionally provocative too?

2. There is no such thing as ghosts. But, when I make that claim, it must mean that ghost are real...?

EDIT: From Hax' linky:



HoreTore agrees completely with the Buddha. Are you claiming that Buddhists are wrong, Philipvs?



The two statements are seperate, not linked. I made both because they're equally true ~;)

Arsenal get to beat Barcelona in the knock-out round. Liverpool will face teams like Crawley and Rushden&Diamonds in a few years. These are facts.

can you have facts of future events? or are anticipations of future events facts?

horetore is being stupid. i will refuse to talk to him ever again.

[HoreTore]

can you have facts of future events? or are anticipations of future events facts?

horetore is being stupid. i will refuse to talk to him ever again.

When it comes to Liverpool in Conference; yes, that is a fact.

Bloody 5-3-2 destructive whores; I pee-pee on their memory.

[The Stranger]

they tied vs sparta praha

[HoreTore]

they tied vs sparta praha

I don't really pay much attention to the Northern Premier cups they play in these days.... Hey, I play in the seventh tier of the Norwegian league, maybe some day Liverpool will be good enough that we'll play them in a pre-season friendly.

[Beskar]

Forget Norway - More like Snoreway.

[Shibumi]

1. Atheist people, unfortunately lead by HoreTore.
2. Religious nutjobs hellbent to contradict.
3. Some mumbojumbo philosopher you could probably starve to death with the question - "is there really food?"

It really is a hard choice.. I lean towards "1", but the inquisitive side of me urges "2" forward.


3 we can all live without till the discussion is no longer held in a dorms room.

[Strike For The South]

Liverpool is a joke

[Devastatin Dave]

There is no HoreTore...

[The Stranger]

and there for "no HoreTore" exists and we must eliminate IT!!!!! or just ignore it for being stupid.

alse THERE >>>> stands "is no HoreTore" LYNCH HIM TOO!!!!

[Ja'chyra]

Don't feed the troll

[Hax]

Always reminds me of:

http://www.decorstreet.com/product-images/AYAAQAHA-P670225.jpg