Hypocrisy and Hillary were on a date the other day...

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/BREAKING-NEWS/VETERAN-S-GROUP-DEMANDS-APOLOGY-FROM-SEC-OF-STATE-CLINTON-BR-Claims-vet-was-manhandled-for-silent-protest-596038
Watch the video and please comment. This administration is so confusing...:laugh4:

[Hosakawa Tito]

Lawsuit. I'm sure President Obama will get out front of this one like he did in Egypt, and the network media will be all over it. :shifty:

[Husar]

Ah, yes, this is America, land of the free.

Don't tell me you weren't looking for some good old euro-sarcasm... ~D

[Louis VI the Fat]

Hecklers, protesters and stalkers can't expect to grind everything to a halt just because they have some private grievance, and unlimited time.

If one would allow it, than any public event by any major polititican or business will be made impossible. Peta, veterans, pensioners, students, socialists, feminists against phallic loooking symbols, they shall all have to take it outside, where they are welcome to protest to their heart's content. :shrug:


I marveled at the professionalism of Hillary, who remainded completely undisturbed as this stalker was escorted outside. She's so presidential!

[Greyblades]

Dude, sending goons to drag a silent protester off is overkill for stalin's russia let alone obama's US.

All he did was stand up and turn his back on her when she started her speech. he wasnt even interupting her let alone grinding everything to a halt, it certainly didn't require such an overreaction.

[gaelic cowboy]

Dude, sending goons to drag a silent protester off is overkill for stalin's russia let alone obama's US.

All he did was stand up and turn his back on her when she started her speech. he wasnt even interupting her let alone grinding everything to a halt, it certainly didn't require such an overreaction.

Except no security man can take a chance now with a protester being within 20feet of a politician after the shooting in Arizona.

[Greyblades]

Ah I see, so its more panic than malice?

[Centurion1]

Except no security man can take a chance now with a protester being within 20feet of a politician after the shooting in Arizona.

Thats a ridiculous reasoning for this as you very well know.

[PanzerJaeger]

Hecklers, protesters and stalkers can't expect to grind everything to a halt just because they have some private grievance, and unlimited time.



Was he grinding things to a halt?

[gaelic cowboy]

Thats a ridiculous reasoning for this as you very well know.

actually it's very cogent, a man is clearly intent on causing a scene less then 20 feet from a senior administration figure.

you cant take chances nowadays, if you want to protest you stand outside and make your case.

if this had been a republican figure I would feel the same, just in case you wondering

[Husar]

How is the way the security handled this Hillary's fault?
She even has an alibi, she was holding a speech, on camera, it's in the OP...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Was he grinding things to a halt?If one allows this man to have his protest within the press room, then one must necessarily also allow in the other five hundred protest groups outside. This, you no doubt will agree, will grind to a halt the normal proceeding of any press conferences / stockholders meetings / church services / etc.


If there is hypocrisy here, it is that a pensioner and a veteran apparantly has more rights to protest, more access to politicians, than, say, two young, longhaired Peta protesters.

[Beskar]

I feel sorry for the person behind him. Must be difficult to enjoy the show when some creepy looking guy is staring at you.

[Centurion1]

actually it's very cogent, a man is clearly intent on causing a scene less then 20 feet from a senior administration figure.

you cant take chances nowadays, if you want to protest you stand outside and make your case.

if this had been a republican figure I would feel the same, just in case you wondering

This has nothing to do with politics to me. The position this man takes is disagreeable with me anyway. He still has the right to do what he did according to law. He was in a public forum as long as they werent selling tickets.

[Crazed Rabbit]

If one allows this man to have his protest within the press room, then one must necessarily also allow in the other five hundred protest groups outside. This, you no doubt will agree, will grind to a halt the normal proceeding of any press conferences / stockholders meetings / church services / etc.

Bah. Prior restraint of speech is oppression and without excuse.

If five hundred protesters come in, then escort them out. But you can't claim to live in a free state if you use hypothetical scenarios to deny freedom of speech to people in completely different situations.

You're defending the detainment by force of a man just for visibly but silently protesting in the same room as a public official.

That saddens me Louis; I thought you supported freedom of speech.


you cant take chances nowadays, if you want to protest you stand outside and make your case.

Yes those politicians **** well can.

They are not royalty, and they do not get to trample over our rights because anyone who disagrees with them is a possible threat.

Indeed, you would have us treat people as assassins for daring to protest against a politician and by implication state that protesting the government means you are to be treated as a criminal.

CR

[Husar]

How do you know it was a decision of the politician and not of the security guards?
The politician was holding a speech and I neither saw her gesturing anything to the security nor did she say anything to the security, so apparently the security decided to remove the man without any direct orders to do so. Ok, she could have stopped them but could she know that they would beat him outside?

Don't come with the political responsibility thing, if you removed the secretary of state every time a new post in the police brutality thread is made then you would soon run out of candidates, regardless of which of your two parties is in power. :dizzy2:

If, however, you can show that it was her expressed wish to the security to take any protesters outside and beat them up, then there should be consequences, for the beating him up part anyway. The removal I don't know but hey, it's America, so I'm not surprised. :laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

I wonder if people's reaction (media, casual observers, Backroomers, etc) if this had happened at something George W Bush was giving a speech at?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Bah. Prior restraint of speech is oppression and without excuse.


That saddens me Louis; I thought you supported freedom of speech.

CRIn the past few years, freedom of speech has become some sort of one-size-fits-all human right, applicable in any situation, overriding all other considerations.

Here's a thought experiment: I want to express myself by spray painting 'Female Rabbits have furry backs' on your plasma tv in your living room. Should you a) have to endure it because, well, freedom and speech and all? Or b) shoot me off your property?


Our heckler has got freedom of speech. This does not give him unlimited rights of, say, disturbing the peace, of breaking-and-entering, of spraying graffitti anywhere etc. :shrug:

[Louis VI the Fat]

I wonder if people's reaction (media, casual observers, Backroomers, etc) if this had happened at something George W Bush was giving a speech at?
This heckler has a long history of heckling several administrations of different political persuasion. I expect he will have been escorted outside on previous occassions, including during the Bush administration.


He gets away with it because of his old age, and his 'veteran' status. He is a veteran of the US intelligence services. I guess that of one takes 'war on drugs / terror' literally, then this man who's spend his entire active life at a Washington desk working for the federal government, can be considered a 'veteran'.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Iranian State television agrees with Dave and Rabbit!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Z5pUwgqBI


Go on then, Ahmedinedjad, Chomsky, Dave, and Rabbit - fight the Hillary-Zionist conspiracy against America and Islam! :cheerleader:

[Crazed Rabbit]

In the past few years, freedom of speech has become some sort of one-size-fits-all human right, applicable in any situation, overriding all other considerations.

Freedom and human rights tend to do that.


Here's a thought experiment: I want to express myself by spray painting 'Female Rabbits have furry backs' on your plasma tv in your living room. Should you a) have to endure it because, well, freedom and speech and all? Or b) shoot me off your property?

A ridiculous comparison.


Our heckler has got freedom of speech. This does not give him unlimited rights of, say, disturbing the peace, of breaking-and-entering, of spraying graffitti anywhere etc. :shrug:

Did he break and enter? Did he spray any graffiti?

CR

[Husar]

I wonder if people's reaction (media, casual observers, Backroomers, etc) if this had happened at something George W Bush was giving a speech at?

I'd be outraged and demand that Bush steps down!

I don't remember blaming Bush for police brutality, that's more a cultural thing as I hinted at in my first post here.