Equal Opportunity Employment laws........

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Are utter jokes.

So I was figuring, with all these stupid laws, they cause more harm then good. In theory, yes, they are a good idea. Someone like myself, who talks funny, can take legal action against someone who might not hire me due to that reason if I'm more then qualify for the job.

But I'm a Caucasian. In reality, if a minority applies to the same job with lesser qualification, they will probably get the job because they are Black,Asian,Hispanic or whatever. So is that not discrimination in itself?

These laws do more harm then good.

[TinCow]

In reality, if a minority applies to the same job with lesser qualification, they will probably get the job because they are Black,Asian,Hispanic or whatever. So is that not discrimination in itself?

That's not the fault of the law, that's the fault of the employer. The laws only say you can't refuse to hire someone (or fire them) based on race, gender, religion, etc. You are perfectly free to do so because of qualifications. If someone is hired due to their race, gender, religion, etc. despite having poorer qualifications than another applicant, then the employer is biased, not the law.

Frankly, this is a massively overblown issue that is little more than a talking point for television pundits. In reality, it's not a factor in much of anything. No organization on the planet is more concerned with EEO laws than the Federal Government, but discrimination lawsuits against the federal government succeed in about 2-4% of all cases. The other 96 to 98% are easily demonstrated to be legitimate choices based on the qualifications or job performance of the individuals involved. The discrimination success rates will be even lower for private industry, which is subject to less stringent hiring and firing laws.

[HoreTore]

I am a white, heterosexual male.

If anyone thinks those traits do not make me more eligible for jobs, they are naive beyond compare.

Edit: also, Tincow speaks teh truth(tm)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I just don't like the fact that a white male can have more weight in a job hiring process then anyone else, then in the next job a black person does, then a Asian in the next job, or whatever the particular company is.

[HoreTore]

I just don't like the fact that a white male can have more weight in a job hiring process then anyone else, then in the next job a black person does, then a Asian in the next job, or whatever the particular company is.

The goal of these laws is to level that field.

Does it succeed completely? Nope. Is it a step towards the goal? Yes. As with everything else in the world, some of these laws have an effect, some have no effect and others look like they have the opposite effect.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

But it doesn't do anything good if it has the opposite effect.

[PanzerJaeger]

I do not agree with the use of probative statistics in judging the fairness of a company's employment practices. It is arbitrary and leads to quotas and reverse discrimination.

[Ice]

The goal of these laws is to level that field.

Does it succeed completely? Nope. Is it a step towards the goal? Yes. As with everything else in the world, some of these laws have an effect, some have no effect and others look like they have the opposite effect.

I don't know... employers can always find a legal way to fire or not hire a person. I believe the law attempts to legislate a problem that can't be fixed with legislation, and PJ said, this can often have anticipated consquences.

[Strike For The South]

The laws now are archaic but its not like the government can go to every white home and pass out pictures of Emmett Tills face

[a completely inoffensive name]

That's not the fault of the law, that's the fault of the employer. The laws only say you can't refuse to hire someone (or fire them) based on race, gender, religion, etc. You are perfectly free to do so because of qualifications. If someone is hired due to their race, gender, religion, etc. despite having poorer qualifications than another applicant, then the employer is biased, not the law.

Frankly, this is a massively overblown issue that is little more than a talking point for television pundits. In reality, it's not a factor in much of anything. No organization on the planet is more concerned with EEO laws than the Federal Government, but discrimination lawsuits against the federal government succeed in about 2-4% of all cases. The other 96 to 98% are easily demonstrated to be legitimate choices based on the qualifications or job performance of the individuals involved. The discrimination success rates will be even lower for private industry, which is subject to less stringent hiring and firing laws.

Wins this thread with the first post.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I am a white, heterosexual male.

If anyone thinks those traits do not make me more eligible for jobs, they are naive beyond compare.

True, but only because white people tend to have better socioeconomic backgrounds. Still, having better/worse socioeconomic backgrounds is not synonymous with being white/black.

The sensible thing therefore to do in order to "level the playing field" would be to have positive discrimination based on improving the chances of those that comes from less privileged backgrounds, regardless of the colour of their skin.

Because right now, poor white people are screwed in such a system (even if its effect is exaggerated). It makes no sense. And how can you be surprised when its these people that end up going all racist and fascist?

[Major Robert Dump]

The law is more reactive than proactive. It serves as a means for people to take legal action for being discriminated based on something like race, sex or age.

does it get abused? Of course, and it is usually at larger companies who try to meet quotas for things like management, Wal-Mart is a good example. It is not rampant, but it does exist when a certain "role" needs to be fulfilled.

And for the record, Asians rarely get included as minorities in both EOE and college quotas even though, by definition, they are minorities. This in and of itself shows that the law is far from perfect.

I'm sort of split on the issue

[HoreTore]

True, but only because white people tend to have better socioeconomic backgrounds. Still, having better/worse socioeconomic backgrounds is not synonymous with being white/black.

I said "heterosexual" and "male" in additon to "white.

Let's face it, we as a group is the only one in the west that doesn't have any negative stereotypes when it comes to job performance. That gives me an edge.

[Fragony]

I said "heterosexual" and "male" in additon to "white.

Let's face it, we as a group is the only one in the west that doesn't have any negative stereotypes when it comes to job performance. That gives me an edge.

No it can put you at a disadvantage. Well educated minorities, everybody wants them. With government jobs it's even worse, take our police, it's official policy that you are at the back of the line for promotion if you are a heterosexual white male. Reflection of society thingie, only immigrants and women live here apparently.

ES! MUSS! SEIN!

[HoreTore]

So spoketh teh Naive.

[Fragony]

So spoketh teh Naive.
Every company wants skilled minorities, it looks sooooo good. If you got the right papers, don't dress like 50cent, and speak the language, your prospects are most excellent. You won't even need the positive discrimination brigades that live in 100% white neighborhoods and put their kids in 100% white schools. Unless you insist on wearing a veil or extra breaks for prayers of course, than people who live in 100% white neighborhoods and put their kids in 100% white schools start hissing and clawing your eyeballs

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

No it can put you at a disadvantage. Well educated minorities, everybody wants them. With government jobs it's even worse, take our police, it's official policy that you are at the back of the line for promotion if you are a heterosexual white male. Reflection of society thingie, only immigrants and women live here apparently.

ES! MUSS! SEIN!


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[Megas Methuselah]

:yes:

Bro, you are only reading what you want to read, not what there is to read.

[Fragony]

Bro, you are only reading what you want to read, not what there is to read.

What does it say then, did I accidently slip in a few hidden messages again

[The Stranger]

What does it say then, did I accidently slip in a few hidden messages again

i read hitler, mussolini and wilders in there. mustve been coincidence.

[Fragony]

i read hitler, mussolini and wilders in there. mustve been coincidence.

Nah that's no coincidence it's quite normal in fact, it takes a few years in the real world before it wears of. Not everybody makes a full recovery though, that's why there is positive discrimination

[Megas Methuselah]

What does it say then, did I accidently slip in a few hidden messages again

Naw, I didn't say that in reference to your post.