Having Kids??

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Why in society you must have kids to be view as normal?? :juggle2::juggle2:

[Megas Methuselah]

Whuh??? Where the hell do you live, bro? The bible belt?

[Samurai Waki]

Only have them if you want them, otherwise you're bound to be *ahem* screw a lot more people than just the person who had the child.

[Secura]

Why in society you must have kids to be view as normal?? :juggle2::juggle2:

I'd be keen to find out where you picked up that idea! :P

[Beefy187]

I don't care about what others says and I don't plan on forcing my ideas on you but..
Having kids and raising them would be my ultimate goal of life.

[Husar]

I want to have at least 20 kids, we have to breed against all those foreign invaders! :jester:

[Yaropolk]

Why in society you must have kids to be view as normal?? :juggle2::juggle2:

The short answer is, statistics!

Figure 1.
Percentage of adults ages 18 and older who have ever had a biological child: 2000
https://i51.tinypic.com/2ec27iw.gif

As calculated by US Dept of Health and Human Services:
http://fatherhood.hhs.gov/charting02/introduction.htm#Who

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's just one of those social norms.

I'm a bit surprised at how low the figures are in Yaropolk's study... less than 2/3 of men have fathered a child by 44?

[Secura]

It appears that only applies to the United States; I get the feeling that the 18-24yrs percentages would be higher for Brits. >.<

[Vuk]

lol, there is a general belief in the US that I would think runs in the exact opposite vein of what Warman is suggesting. I cannot count the number of times that I have heard professors (mostly female) insinuate that the reason women have kids or become stay at home moms is because they are too stupid to do anything else/know better.
People (again, mostly women) treat pregnant women with no respect at all, and the media is usually very negative toward family structures and family oriented people.

[Rhyfelwyr]

lol, there is a general belief in the US that I would think runs in the exact opposite vein of what Warman is suggesting. I cannot count the number of times that I have heard professors (mostly female) insinuate that the reason women have kids or become stay at home moms is because they are too stupid to do anything else/know better.
People (again, mostly women) treat pregnant women with no respect at all, and the media is usually very negative toward family structures and family oriented people.

I think that might be true of a small clique of University folk, but in wider society I think Warman is right.

Plus, I've only ever seen family values portrayed as positive things in the media.

[Cute Wolf]

I'd be keen to find out where you picked up that idea! :P


It appears that only applies to the United States; I get the feeling that the 18-24yrs percentages would be higher for Brits. >.<

hmm, I wonder if you allready have a kid or two... :grin:
man... get married means must settle down, plan better living, and stop the daily enjoyments of Lab Working-PlayGames-giving Lectures-Play more games-Going play more games- and slept, wake up to repeat this cycle from monday till thursday, and going play all day in friday and saturday...

not to mention that I can't simply go to my relatives' house to steal took up foods when I forgot to bought food stocks, and have no money, when I get married

oh, and I can't spend my earnings on those comics and games anymore.... huuhuuuhuuuuuuuu

[Yaropolk]

Sure you can, but at some point, the neighbors will tell their kids to stay away from the creepy unshaved man.

[Strike For The South]

lol, there is a general belief in the US that I would think runs in the exact opposite vein of what Warman is suggesting. I cannot count the number of times that I have heard professors (mostly female) insinuate that the reason women have kids or become stay at home moms is because they are too stupid to do anything else/know better.
People (again, mostly women) treat pregnant women with no respect at all, and the media is usually very negative toward family structures and family oriented people.


ORLY

[Vuk]

ORLY

¿Qué?

[Strike For The South]

Your assertion is a baseless caricuture

[Vuk]

Your assertion is a baseless caricuture

No, it is simple observation and the testimony of those once pregnant.

[Strike For The South]

No, it is simple observation and the testimony of those once pregnant.

Im sure

[Megas Methuselah]

No, it is simple observation and the testimony of those once pregnant.

Lololol. Which girls didja bang up?

[Secura]

hmm, I wonder if you allready have a kid or two... :grin:

There's a growing culture in Britain of having unprotected sex at a young age without any knowledge of and/or thought for the consequences; the rate of teenage pregnancy in this country has been increasing over the last few years and, frankly, it's embarrassing.

I'm one of the more careful ones; I don't intend to have children until I'm at a satisfactory level in my work, life and love first. :3

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Whuh??? Where the hell do you live, bro? The bible belt?



Pittsburgh, PA. :dizzy2::dizzy2:


I'd be keen to find out where you picked up that idea! :P

My mother just tells me to 'Do whatever you think is the best for you' but my father is way old fashion and is hell bent on having me and my 28 year old brother having a wife and kids (wife I'll go with but not the kids,sorry dad :laugh4:).

Media and other people think it is necressary to have a great life if you have kids. While I'm grateful my parents 'did the deed' and had me, that doesn't mean I want kids myself. So what happens if I want to die single? Or get married to a hot girl, but just die a married but childless man. Is that really that wrong?

IMO, do whatever you want in life but don't force your social views or any views on anyone else.

:balloon2::balloon2:

[Cute Wolf]

There's a growing culture in Britain of having unprotected sex at a young age without any knowledge of and/or thought for the consequences; the rate of teenage pregnancy in this country has been increasing over the last few years and, frankly, it's embarrassing.

I'm one of the more careful ones; I don't intend to have children until I'm at a satisfactory level in my work, life and love first. :3

I think you are allready married :grin:
well, no sex before marriage, that will certainly solve the problem :angel: ~ since growing up without good parents will be detrimental to psychological development of most of the children

in the other hand, I must admit that here, sexual freedom is increasing as well. But when somone got pregnant here, there will be a quite literal shotgun marriage happened.

[Secura]

I think you are allready married :grin:

I don't know what gave that notion, but you're wrong. :P


well, no sex before marriage, that will certainly solve the problem :angel: ~ since growing up without good parents will be detrimental to psychological development of most of the children

The thing is, chastity is an outdated concept that the modern British youth cannot identify with, particularly since religion appears to have less significance with each successive generation; peer pressure and the media don't really seem to help, so teenagers are often foregoing the precautions for entering a sexual relationship and jumping in head first without a second thought for the consequences of sexually transmitted infections or unwanted pregnancies.

[Megas Methuselah]

IMO, do whatever you want in life but don't force your social views or any views on anyone else.

That is a wonderful statement. But I want to see you put this in practice when you are on the delivering end rather than the receiving end.

Also, stop using condoms.

[lars573]

There's a growing culture in Britain of having unprotected sex at a young age without any knowledge of and/or thought for the consequences; the rate of teenage pregnancy in this country has been increasing over the last few years and, frankly, it's embarrassing.

I'm one of the more careful ones; I don't intend to have children until I'm at a satisfactory level in my work, life and love first. :3
Or until your future baby-mama catches a bad case of baby fever, which cause her to "forget" her birth control.

Looky here, my nieces and nephew. All 3 exist because of mis-managed birth control on the part of my brother (the boy), and sister (the wee ladies).
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/lars573/3-grand-babies.jpg

[Megas Methuselah]

Or until your future baby-mama catches a bad case of baby fever, which cause her to "forget" her birth control.


Hey, I think that's the reason behind my birth, too. LOL.

[Tuuvi]

1. Because people have been having kids for thousands of years

2. Religious and cultural norms

Thats what I say. Most people decide to have kids at some point, and everyone comes from a family, so it's what we're used to. And a lot of religions and cultures pressure their members to start families for various reasons.


The thing is, chastity is an outdated concept that the modern British youth cannot identify with, particularly since religion appears to have less significance with each successive generation; peer pressure and the media don't really seem to help, so teenagers are often foregoing the precautions for entering a sexual relationship and jumping in head first without a second thought for the consequences of sexually transmitted infections or unwanted pregnancies.

I'm curious how do you think chastity is an outdated concept? I'm not trying to debate or argue just wondering.

[PanzerJaeger]

I don't know why anyone would want the responsibility, expense, and loss of time and freedom associated with it, not to mention the (un)healthy dose of fighting, stress, and disappointment that usually comes with the package as well. Biological motivators are powerful things. :shrug:

[Secura]

I'm curious how do you think chastity is an outdated concept? I'm not trying to debate or argue just wondering.

I'm going to err on the side of caution with my response, as I'd rather not turn this into a debate that has to be moved to the Backroom. :P

Anyways, I remember at the MTV VMAs a few years ago, Russell Brand made a big deal of the Jonas Brothers wearing those chastity rings and pledging to not have sex before marriage, because it was such a foreign idea to a British citizen.

It might be all the rage in the parts of the USA, but in the UK it is entirely unheard of compared to stories of teenage pregnancy and rising levels of STIs such as chlamydia; it is something that no longer applies to the younger generations, hence "outdated concept".

[Viking]

I don't know why anyone would want the responsibility, expense, and loss of time and freedom associated with it, not to mention the (un)healthy dose of fighting, stress, and disappointment that usually comes with the package as well. Biological motivators are powerful things. :shrug:

Well, if you've read and understood the theory of evolution, then it is clear that human evolution these these days is all about having as many babies as possible. Generally low birth numbers and a high ratio of child survival in the Western world means that it has never been easier to take the survival of your own genes in your own hands. ~;)

[Tuuvi]

I'm going to err on the side of caution with my response, as I'd rather not turn this into a debate that has to be moved to the Backroom. :P

Anyways, I remember at the MTV VMAs a few years ago, Russell Brand made a big deal of the Jonas Brothers wearing those chastity rings and pledging to not have sex before marriage, because it was such a foreign idea to a British citizen.

It might be all the rage in the parts of the USA, but in the UK it is entirely unheard of compared to stories of teenage pregnancy and rising levels of STIs such as chlamydia; it is something that no longer applies to the younger generations, hence "outdated concept".

ah ok now I understand what you meant thanks.

[Cute Wolf]

chasitity is an outdated concept?

:grin:

looks like today's western society going back to ancient egyptian norms:
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/sexuality.html

[A Very Super Market]

Well, once you go far back enough in time, spouting babies every nine months becomes a very desirable prospect.

Nowadays, I can't imagine anyone caring when you have a kid. You should at least try before your business down under becomes too slow and pasty for its function.

[Zim]

I've never gotten any pressure to have children to be normal. I was told that 24 was too young to get married once or twice, and even encouraged to wait until 30 or so and "have fun" in the meantime. My wife, on the other hand, gets the "when are you having kids" question a lot, mostly by older women. I suspect they just want something cute to gush over for a few minutes before handing the baby back to the parent, who then has to deal with all the unpleasant stuff. :clown:

On the other hand I have noticed the older I get the more of my contemporaries have children, and there can be quite a gap socially between those who do and don't have children, since it changes so much of your life.


I don't know why anyone would want the responsibility, expense, and loss of time and freedom associated with it, not to mention the (un)healthy dose of fighting, stress, and disappointment that usually comes with the package as well. Biological motivators are powerful things. :shrug:

That would be my guess, reinforced a bit by cultural norms.


I'm going to err on the side of caution with my response, as I'd rather not turn this into a debate that has to be moved to the Backroom. :P

Anyways, I remember at the MTV VMAs a few years ago, Russell Brand made a big deal of the Jonas Brothers wearing those chastity rings and pledging to not have sex before marriage, because it was such a foreign idea to a British citizen.

It might be all the rage in the parts of the USA, but in the UK it is entirely unheard of compared to stories of teenage pregnancy and rising levels of STIs such as chlamydia; it is something that no longer applies to the younger generations, hence "outdated concept".

"Parts" is right. That was seen as a bit strange in much of the U.S. as well, and purity rings (did they really call them chastity rings at some point?) tended to be taken seriously by a rather small number of people here.