Kingdoms Teutonic Hotseat: The Frozen North (completed, winner Visorslash)

[phonicsmonkey]

The Frozen North

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/ts.jpg

*The game is complete and Denmark is the winner. Congratulations Visorslash!*

This is a hotseat campaign in Kingdoms: Teutonic with the 1.5 patch and a custom mod, for 8 human players as follows:

1. Mongols: phonicsmonkey (formerly Tristan de Castelreng)
2. HRE - slysnake RIP - turn 29
3. Novgorod - Ignoramus RIP - turn 6
4. Norway - Zim RIP - turn 28
5. Denmark - Visorslash
6. Poland - Nightbringer RIP - turn 10
7. Lithuania - Thanatos Eclipse RIP - turn 19
8. Teutonic Order - Myth

The rules are as follows:
- Players shall post a link to the save game in the main game thread and also send a private message to the next player in line to alert them that it is their turn. The save game file should follow the naming convention FN-faction-turn number (eg. FN-Mongols-1)

- Players have 48 hours to play each turn, with extensions granted at request. The GM will skip a players' turn if the deadline is missed with no communication and a sub allied to the player cannot be found.

- All battles between human-controlled factions are to be auto-resolved

- No spies may be used to open the gates of settlements or forts.

- Siege equipment may only be used to open gates as follows: Ballista can open nothing, Catapults and Mangonels can open wooden walls, Trebuchets can open stone walls.

- No crusades or jihads can be called or joined by a human player.

- No destroying buildings for cash under any circumstances.

- No fighting losing defensive battles on purpose in a besieged city, just to deny the invader the sacking option.

- If an army is beaten in battle by a faction that is after them in the turn order that army may not move on the following turn.

- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.

- No exploits, including (but not limited to): no merchant forts, no surround-and-destroy, no tribute deals that deliberately put you into debt greater than 10k, no deliberate diplomatic exchange of territories just to get a free garrison, no tribute deals with or monetary gifts to the Pope, no attacking ships in ports, no leaving a blockaded fort without defeating the blockading navy, no deliberate use of diplomatic exploits to increase faction leader's Dread.

If a player is in doubt about whether an in-game action is permissible he shall consult the GM who will make a ruling. Players are requested to compete in a good spirit and use their judgment and sense of fairness at all times.

If a player is suspected of cheating, please make a private report to the GM and avoid making a public accusation or resorting to flaming in the game thread or elsewhere.

The first save game file is here and the Mongols are up.

Everyone needs to complete the modding detailed in the other thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133524-Teutonic-hotseat-signup&p=2053276548&viewfull=1#post2053276548) and then replace their descr_strat with this file (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8834) before they can play.

Have fun!

[_Tristan_]

And its started !!

Der Heiliges Römisches Reich !! (http://www.mediafire.com/?fbfctq76wabjy2o)

[slysnake]

Novgorod up :)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xpqqla


EDIT: sorry I took so long - had to try and create a new shortcut (because for some reason I had none for the individual kingdoms campaigns?)

[Ignoramus]

Sorry for taking so long - can I just request an extension of 6 hours or so? I'll have the save up this afternoon(AEST).

[phonicsmonkey]

Sure

[Myth]

I will be away from Friday until Sunday, FYI.

[Ignoramus]

Norway!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8847

[Zim]

Will get this done today.

[Zim]

Denmark's up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8855

I can't see the initials FN without thinking of Fabrique Nationale (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fabrique_Nationale&redirect=no). :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I can't see the initials FN without thinking of Fabrique Nationale (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fabrique_Nationale&redirect=no). :clown:

Because you carry an M16?

[Zim]

Because I own an old FN made .22 target pistol.


Because you carry an M16?

[Visor]

We are interested as to why Novgorod feels the need to take Narva by force, when diplomacy would serve better.

Poland.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nkziis

[Nightbringer]

Lithuania up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid8867

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ficj3lywcksph7u/FN_TO_T1.sav

Since player vs. player battles are to be auto-resolved, are we going to do like over at the net and provide screenshots? If we are I think all we should need is the battle results window with enough background to prove your still on the campaign map (like show the two armies involved); cause if you fought the battle out you'd still be in the battle when the end results appeared.

[phonicsmonkey]

TO

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ficj3lywcksph7u/FN_TO_T1.sav

Since player vs. player battles are to be auto-resolved, are we going to do like over at the net and provide screenshots? If we are I think all we should need is the battle results window with enough background to prove your still on the campaign map (like show the two armies involved); cause if you fought the battle out you'd still be in the battle when the end results appeared.

I'm happy to forego this but if a majority of people want screenshots I can add it to the rules.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I'm fine with that, just thought if we were going to do it, might as well do it in a way that makes since.

[Nightbringer]

I'm fine without em, but I think if a person wants screenshots they should just say it now and that way we can know to take them against that faction. I think we all trust each-other but sometimes things happen that just don't seem to make sense and its nice to have a screenshot to erase doubt.

[_Tristan_]

I'm fine doing it either way though I do find posting and editing those SS a bit tedious... When I don't forget to start FRAPS !!

[Myth]

Mongols are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8874)

Also screenshots are pointless, I can Photshop a victory into a defeat and vice-versa in 2 minutes, chane numbers, command stars, whatever. I trust we are all playing for fun and plus since we can't lead our armies there is not much to doubt.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I think we just do what nightbringer suggested, if someone really wants it, let us know now and we can provide it; otherwise don't worry about it :)

[_Tristan_]

Romans !! (http://www.mediafire.com/?1y1uuhuotg125vn)

And now, off to bed !!

[slysnake]

I'll be playing my turn tonight...

[slysnake]

I shall be needing an extension of 24 hours if all is ok with the game mod?

[phonicsmonkey]

Sure

[slysnake]

Novgorod Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/hnwvnq)

EDIT: Ignoramous' inbox is full...

[_Tristan_]

EDIT: Ignoramous' inbox is full...

A constant with Igno...:laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

Norway!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8885

(And inbox has space now!)

[Zim]

Denmark is up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8889

[slysnake]

Denmark is up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8889

Zim what was that message from you about? It's not my turn yet ^^

[Zim]

I'll just use the excuse of having just got off the graveyard shift for sending a pm to the wrong person. :clown:


Zim what was that message from you about? It's not my turn yet ^^

[Myth]

Any progress here? I remember Visorslash saying he did not want to play Denmark in this game. Perhaps he has lost all motivation? As such it would be good to give the Danes to another player whilst we are still on turn 2 and can restart easily?

BTW Denmark starts with great potential in this campaign.

Oh, and Zim - Norway here as well? Must be a fan :)

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll contact him at TWC

[Visor]

I've been having problems with this site.

Novgorod takes a flying kick to the face. ;)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/p1g92k

[phonicsmonkey]

hey all, if you defeat an army or navy could you please post the name here to help other players observe the rules about defeated armies being unable to move and immune from attack?

[Visor]

Okay. Grand Duke Alexander, and his catapult friend are beaten. I think that's it.

[Zim]

Just wanted to give a smaller faction a try in both games.


Any progress here? I remember Visorslash saying he did not want to play Denmark in this game. Perhaps he has lost all motivation? As such it would be good to give the Danes to another player whilst we are still on turn 2 and can restart easily?

BTW Denmark starts with great potential in this campaign.

Oh, and Zim - Norway here as well? Must be a fan :)

[Nightbringer]

lithuania
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8901

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8905

[Myth]

Mongols up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/ldm-silk-icons/download.png)

[_Tristan_]

Myth, the link you provided just links to a download icon... Can't do much with that :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

i found it :)
(the mongol turn)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=8907

[_Tristan_]

Gee... Thanks... Will play it later today... no time now

[Myth]

Oops! Must have clicked "copy image location" rather than "copy link location"

[_Tristan_]

HRE's up (http://www.mediafire.com/file/c659487jz1dq3c7/FN-HRE-3.sav)

[slysnake]

Novgorod Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/9wzotd)

[Ignoramus]

Norway:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8911

[Ignoramus]

Um, guys, I think I'm guilty of the same error I just nabbed Myth for in the Britannia Hotseat. I moved Grand Duke Alexander, when he was defeated by the Danes last turn. Do I have permission to redo the save and rectify this error?

[phonicsmonkey]

Go ahead. Is this rule just unworkable without screenshots? It seems to be causing a lot of trouble. Happy to drop it if everyone prefers.

[Ignoramus]

I think we should keep it, otherwise it does disadvantage later factions.

[Myth]

I'm last in the turn order here so no problem for me to replay the turn :D

[Nightbringer]

I'm okay either way really

[Visor]

Depends. If you moved him to a position where I can attack him, then yes, by all means move him. :P

I suppose replaying, but it doesn't matter much in this life or death fight. :P

[phonicsmonkey]

I gave Igno a nudge - if we don't see the turn by the time I'm up tomorrow morning I'll skip it to keep the game moving.

[phonicsmonkey]

Um, guys, I think I'm guilty of the same error I just nabbed Myth for in the Britannia Hotseat. I moved Grand Duke Alexander, when he was defeated by the Danes last turn. Do I have permission to redo the save and rectify this error?

Ok, because of the delay let's just play from the posted save and Duke Alexander can't move next turn instead. Ok?

[slysnake]

Ok, because of the delay let's just play from the posted save and Duke Alexander can't move next turn instead. Ok?

What's happening now? It seems as if both hotseats I am in have now come to a halt :(

[phonicsmonkey]

Zim said he'd play tonight.

[Zim]

Denmark

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8930

[Visor]

Novgorod has used their defeated army to attack mine, I believe. AFAIK, that isn't allowed?

[phonicsmonkey]

Novgorod has used their defeated army to attack mine, I believe. AFAIK, that isn't allowed?

*sigh* yes that's right. I guess we'll have to replay that turn after all.

Igno are you out there? we need you here and in the SS game

[Visor]

Phonics, can you just sub him...

[phonicsmonkey]

I can't I'm away for three days. I'll see if Zim can do it.

[Zim]

There's a little trouble with the admin pw. I'm checking in with Phonics and I'll also pm Ignoramus again in case he can just redo in the meantime.

[Ignoramus]

Doing it now.

Really sorry guys. This shouldn't happen again.

[Ignoramus]

Norway:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8938

[slysnake]

Bump!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Did you pm Zim, cause he's been around the last couple of days?

[Zim]

No pm, but I still missed the deadline, so I went ahead and skipped my troop movements.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8946

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wkjoia

The Danes send an ultimatum to Aleksandr. If he doesn't accept, Novgorod may soon be in Danish hands.

A small Novgorodian catapult unit, Captain Chernek IIRC, has been beaten.

Poles!

[Myth]

What ultimatum? Just kill them :)

[Nightbringer]

Lithuania
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8954

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8955

[slysnake]

I'm going on holiday tomorrow (16th april) and wil be away for a week, returning on the next saturday (23rd april). If my turn does not come up before I leave, would it be ok for me to have an extension until I get back? I do have a person who can sub if the answer is no, but it would be helpful if I could play this particular coming turn. Thanks :)

[_Tristan_]

I'll let Phonics give a definitive answer to that...

Nevertheless, the turn being almost over, you should be up quite soon so waiting a whole week to advance the game would be annoying... Your best course of action would be to leave very detailed instructions to Phonics or whoever would sub you so that the game could move forward without too much loss on your side...

[slysnake]

If the answer is no, I give full permission for Myth to sub me for my coming turn. I have given him the required instructions in the event that he will need to be subbing.

[phonicsmonkey]

That's great, I'd rather you appoint a sub than we wait a week. I'll be doing the same thing in a couple weeks when I go on vacation. Myth can sub for you.

[slysnake]

Yeap, should be fine, although, I'm a little worrid about the fact that Myth has no returned messages I sent him 3 days ago!

[Visor]

Won't be here for a week and a bit. Either Myth or Zim can sub hopefully.

[Myth]

I've just gotten the messages (maybe some lag with the pm system?) Anyway I'd be happy to sub for whomever needs subbing. I've gotten detailed instruction from the mighty Kaiser of the HRE. If Denmark wants they can send me a scroll with instructions as well.

Anyway, King Boleslaw of Poland has been caught unaware and has fought bravely but our own Hochmeister has attacked during the night and with a superior force. The Polish monarch has retreated North of Plock. He can't move next turn. Plock is now under siege.

The mighty Mongolian Horde is up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8962)

[_Tristan_]

I can't access the save from the link provided... I seem to have problems with the Org uploader recently...

EDIT : other Saves from the Uploader work just fine... Strange :dizzy2:

[Myth]

I'll re-upload it asap, i'll get on that particular PC in an hour or two. Perhaps it's because I neglected to archive it?

[_Tristan_]

It might be that, because unzipped files are too voluminous for the uploader, I believe...

[slysnake]

Man, hurry up! I'm sitting in a pub tapping into their wifi (which I'm sure they are not too happy about...) and this is the last internet access I might have for the next week. Would be good to play my own turn tonight if possible :))

[Myth]

Second try. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8964) It appears it's working?

[slysnake]

If the .org uploader is not working, you could always try this (http://www.sendspace.com/) :)

[slysnake]

Bump.

[_Tristan_]

Playing it right now...

[_Tristan_]

Germans !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xg99k833glbl35z/FN-HRE-4.sav)

[Myth]

In the event that I don't play my turn after 48 hours, you have permission to sub my turn :) - that was from Slysnake when we spoke via PM. I sent him a message that the turn is up, if he doesn't reply until tomorrow I'll sub him.

Also FYI this weekend is the Orthodox Easter so I'll be away from Friday until Monday.

[slysnake]

Novgorod's Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/xp6pdg)


EDIT: Ignoramous' inbox is full again, so expect some delay for his turn....

[slysnake]

Bump (again...)

[phonicsmonkey]

ok I have a confession to make.

It seems I have stuffed up somehow and there is no admin access to the console for this game. Meaning, without knowing each player's password, I cannot skip or sub turns. Worse, if one of you disappears the game will end abruptly.

So, we have two options.

Either you all send me your passwords so I can at least move the game along if someone is absent, and pass the pw on to a new player if we need to replace someone.

Or, we restart.

I'm really very sorry about this, I really don't know what happened...:embarassed:

[Nightbringer]

I say we all hand our passwords to phonics.

[slysnake]

Agreed, already done! :D

[Ignoramus]

Sorry about the delay.

Norway!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8981

[slysnake]

bump T_T

[Zim]

Denmark

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8989

[Visor]

The Grand Duke cowers behind Novgorod's walls.

Poland.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/djkdvb

[Nightbringer]

The despicable traitorous scum that some call the Hochmiester has been defeated. He and his army were surrounded by nearly the entire armed might of all of Poland and have fled back into Teutonic lands. Polands victorious forces have advanced and now besiege Thorn. Clearly god frowns upon the Teutonic dogs.
Meanwhile, the "Holy" "Roman" Empire has captured most of Western poland but surely the common people will rise up and throw these new oppressors out for such is their love of the Polish king.

Lithuania up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8992

[Myth]

Nay traitors we are not. It'd have been just to say that If I had accepted an alliance from you and marched my armies right next to your cities to pluck them like apples. I made the honorable choice and stayed within my borders until I saw it fit to attack. Though I must commend you on defeating the uber stack of the Hochmeister in autoresolve with Poland's armies. Was it a close defeat?

BTW you haven't moved king Boleslaw and his troops right? Since they were defeated last turn and all.

[Nightbringer]

oops, hold on, yes i did move him and some of those troops were reinforcements in the battle.
I forgot that was a rule in this game as well. gah, too many games with too many sets of rules. Thanks for bringing that up Myth. I will replay the turn and get it up tomorrow so please don't use this save.

Oh, and BTW this means Poland loses. Without him I don't think I can beat that stack. It literally took every soldier I had minus about 6 units to defeat that TO stack, those guys are just way to nasty in auto-resolve. There is absolutely no way I am going to be able to survive the next 5 turns or so.
I'll certainly play it out though. So ya, sorry about that and the save will be up tomorrow.

[Myth]

That guy is uber because of the Christ Knights he received for free from a council mission. Anyway Poland is very disadvantaged in autoresolve. If this was "lead any battle" like in GA you would have been able to pick the TO off with horse archers.

[Visor]

Cmp is dead. Will probably need subbing. Zim, myth or sly can do it if that's okay.

[Myth]

Cmp? Anyway I'd be happy to sub. PM me with instructions if you want.

[Visor]

Comp. :P

[Myth]

Need help in making it un-dead? :skull: :laugh4:

[slysnake]

Need help in making it un-dead? :skull: :laugh4:

That's where I come in :D

No really, what is up with your computer?

[Nightbringer]

okay, here is the save minus the cheating. and I was correct, poland is going to die...
but I will take up enough time that the TO and HRE might be destroyed on other fronts, I hope. :)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8995

[slysnake]

okay, here is the save minus the cheating. and I was correct, poland is going to die...
but I will take up enough time that the TO and HRE might be destroyed on other fronts, I hope. :)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8995

Other fronts? What other front? I chose the HRE because it only has 2 starting fronts, the east, with Poland, and the north, with Denmark, the first being my enemy and the later being my ally :)

[Nightbringer]

Yes your ally... :)

[slysnake]

:O ! And what do you imply by that?....

[Nightbringer]

nothing,
nothing at all

[Myth]

I made sure Denmark is allied to the TO and the HRE before we started with this operation. It's all part of the plan. And now I'm subbing Denmark so I think no foul play is afoot (It would otherwise be funny to invade myself or my ally while sitting. But I'd do it if that was his intention). Near the Lituanian border I have a monstrous stack of doom waiting for any pagans who get some grand ideas into their heads.

[Visor]

Night bringer.....

In the very first Teutonic hotseat, I (this is later in the game) as HRE asked Denmark to sub me, as we were going to defend norway. He didn't, and I ended up able to play turn turn myself and attacked him. :P

His reply: wow. I am speechless...

[Myth]

Sooo, should I be worried then? :P

[Visor]

Nah. Different situations and things happening. Plus I didn't like doing it. But I needed to.

[Nightbringer]

"Overconfidence is your weakness" :)

[slysnake]

bump..

[Myth]

PMed Thanatos Eclipse just in case.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Ya, I know I'm up :) will get it done tonight

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8999

I wasn't even late when you tried to "bump" me sly :P

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Looks like the Mongols aren't going to back down, guess it's time for them to go bye bye ~:wave:

[slysnake]

Really? Man, I'm so bored at the moment: whilst the past week or so I have had nothing WHATSOEVER to do, in the next couple of weeks or so, I will have almost no free time :(

[Myth]

Mongolians up. Link. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9002)

Two Polish cities have been taken successfully and Kng Boleslaw lies dead on the battlefield. In other news, Lithuania's two stacks are in plain view of our watchtowers and they will be put to the slaughter.

[Nightbringer]

wait, you can't attack my king!

by the same rules that made it illegal for him to attack your stack it is illegal for you to attack his!

[slysnake]

wait, you can't attack my king!

by the same rules that made it illegal for him to attack your stack it is illegal for you to attack his!

Myth was online not long ago, so I'm sure you can sort something out..

[Myth]

Right, forgot about that one! He does appear as reinforcements for the town that is besieged however, so he will lose some troops.

[Myth]

I'll redo my save today (and the Britannia one as well for anyone who reads this). I have a question on the rules, specifically this one:


If an army is beaten in battle by a faction that is after them in the turn order that army may not move on the following turn.. Since I'm last in the turn order here does this make me exempt from this rule?

[slysnake]

I'll redo my save today (and the Britannia one as well for anyone who reads this). I have a question on the rules, specifically this one:

. Since I'm last in the turn order here does this make me exempt from this rule?

Just out pf interest, what is the purpose of this rule? Is it just a rule which is enforced in auto-resolve campaigns?

[_Tristan_]

Factions that played first in the turn order could defeat those that came after them, thus preventing them from moving those defeated stacks. However, if a faction later in the turn order defeated a faction that played before, with the new turn beginning, the playing-first faction could move its own defeated army...

Hence the proposed rule...

[Myth]

New save for the Mongols (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9005).

[Thanatos Eclipse]

In other news, Lithuania's two stacks are in plain view of our watchtowers and they will be put to the slaughter.

It was worth a try ;P Did you really think I was going to sit by while you solidified your dominance. You're Alliance threatens all that are free and I shall fight to the bitter end! FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Myth]

Lol it's funny how glad I am to have you as an ally in GA and how I despise you in this game :D To be honest that's what I'd have done too - attack the TO while their FL is busy down South in Poland.

As I wrote in the in-game messaging system "You'd best pray to your trees. We ride!"

[Thanatos Eclipse]

You'd better believe we pray to the trees, and the grass, rocks, rivers, sky, the occasional beard if it's awesome enough; but mostly death. I don't know if it's her charming personality or just how her followers make our enemies quiver in fear, we just can't get enough of her. And she can't get enough of the sacrificial lambs we bring her (she especially likes the taste of the funny hatted ones that keep wondering into our lands).

[Myth]

Christ requires no sacrifices and God is merciful. We however, are not.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Our gods don't require sacrifices, it's called being friendly. Giving without asking anything in return (right away). Maybe if you were more likable you'd have more then one god. We have many gods, cause we are likable.

[Myth]

Lol these hotseat games are the greatest thing to come since swords and hot water. :D

[Nightbringer]

agreed

[_Tristan_]

HRE's up !! (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xk06k6e37v7hp73/FN-HRE-5.sav)

[Myth]

BTW guys I'll be away from a M2TW PC from tomorrow until Sunday the earliest. I have no upcoming turns yet though Denmark might come up for subbing here... We'll see, I'll still have internet and come here but I won't be able to play until Sunday evening (Europe time)

[slysnake]

Novgorod is up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/dy0sw0)

[slysnake]

Bump?

[slysnake]

Bump No. 2.

[slysnake]

bump.

[phonicsmonkey]

I have asked Zim to skip this turn. I'm still away with no access to my gaming comp so Zim is the admin until the end of may

[Zim]

Bump 4. I'll be skipping the turn this afternoon.

[Ignoramus]

I've uploaded the save, I guess I must have forgotten to post the link here:

[Ignoramus]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9018

Norway.

[Zim]

Denmark
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9021

[Visor]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::lau gh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Poland up.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0lbree

:smug2::smug2::stunned::sneaky::smartass2::evil::devil::pirate2::sorry2:

[slysnake]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::lau gh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Poland up.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0lbree

:smug2::smug2::stunned::sneaky::smartass2::evil::devil::pirate2::sorry2:

Someone seems happy....;)

[Visor]

I am now. :D

[slysnake]

bump...

[Nightbringer]

I'm very sorry about the long delay. I must have read my pm then gone on to the next one and immediately forgotten. I have even checked this thread a couple of time and somehow didn't realise it was my turn. This one is all on me, sorry guys.
Anyway, on the brighter side a surprise attack by polish commandos has seized hold of both the HRE and TO capitols. If you don't fall back now we are prepared to set fire to every building in these cities and make the civilians watch while enjoying a nice cup of greek fire. :) (btw, these commandos are so stealthy that you wont see I have captured the city on your turn, but believe me, I have.)

lithuania up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9031

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO, Konigsberg taken

https://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/artfreak8/Total%20War/1-1-1.jpghttps://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/artfreak8/Total%20War/1-2.jpg

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9032

Has Novgorod been destroyed? They don't appear in the diplomacy chart and their settlements that I border appear as rebel now.

...wait, is this why Visor was so happy? :P

[Visor]

Yeah. I said 6500 for peace to Novgorod and I would sell Estonia, but he offered me less than 6500, then it turned out someone, probably Novgorod, assassinated my general. So I took the battle to him myself and killed of Novgorod instead. :P

[Ignoramus]

Well done Visor!

For some strange reason I couldn't get adoptions. They kept saying adoptions not completed. Anyone know why?

[Visor]

Unlucky I suppose. I had an error playing as the Moors for the short time I did in DoW, where it would CTD every time I tried to adopt someone.

In a recent campaign, I had no adoptions for 40 turns, then got a whole string, and they were all adopted, and now none of them are being adopted. IT's baffling.

[Myth]

TE: You have catapults? :( I'll have to check Koningsberg's walls, are they wooden or stone? Can't remember.. Only a little while longer before I get my own PC then I'll be much better oriented. BTW have you defeated any of my forces? I want to know what I can and can't move.

Igno: I've had the same thing, i did adopt several guys but the last one said he died before the adoption letter had reached him. Maybe there is a global limit to adoptees?

BTW people are we doing screenshots of everything now? I noticed that this game doesn't have forced autoresolve, I'm not sure why it's like that.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

start out with catapults ;) got to have something to even out your Superior units! Konigsberg does have wooden walls. Actually forgot about that rule in this game, but I read it afterwards and went back to check cause thought konigsberg was a city, fortunately not.

I just did the screen shots cause I couldn't remember if they were required in this game. It's a pain having multiple games going at one time :P

[Myth]

Mongols are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9033)

Lol TE sorry to disappoint, the TO starts with several catapults AND a Mangonel :P

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I originally thought they did, but your reaction made me think they must not. I get it now though, you're just surprised I have a fighting chance :P

[Myth]

Yes! :D As I've said in the other threads, I'll be away from today until the 25th. If you can bear with me, that'd be great. If not, either SlySnake or Visorslash can sub me.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I doubt you'll have any problem, this game hasn't been moving that fast

[slysnake]

bump!

[slysnake]

Would be good if I could play my turn today since I have exams all the rest of this week :/

[slysnake]

Bump

[Thanatos Eclipse]

did you pm Zim to see if he could skip it?

[slysnake]

yep, no reply...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

We may just have to wait till phonics comes back in a few days...

[Zim]

Couldn't get on the computer yesterday. Every once in a while between ten hour shifts my wife would actually like to see me for a few. :clown:

HRE is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9047

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I guess that's an acceptable excuse...

:clown:

[slysnake]

Ok, I seem to be the bringer of bad luck - I just got a CTD upon trying to load the save...

EDIT: tried loading 3 times and still fails to load...

[Zim]

When does the CTD occur? Immediately from the loading screen?

[Myth]

SInce we did a lot of extra modding for this game, are you playing on a different machine? WE removed the Kalamar union and also changed the turn order for the factions.

[Visor]

The mod that is from TWC doesn't screw up the game.

[Myth]

No I meant if he didn't mod the machine he is playing on currently, he has been switching computers to my knowledge.

[slysnake]

No I meant if he didn't mod the machine he is playing on currently, he has been switching computers to my knowledge.

I am playing on the same machine as the machine that I started the game on. Anyhow, me being the dumbass I am, I forgot to load the game using the correct .exe shortcut! Will play my turn tonight, sorry for the delay :)

[slysnake]

Norway's Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/jcthqt)

[Zim]

Denmark.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9056

[Visor]

Will need a sub. Zim, Myth or Sly snake can do it.

[Myth]

I just need the password and I can sub you Visor np. I can do it right now actually.

[slysnake]

I just need the password and I can sub you Visor np. I can do it right now actually.

You could always send it to me to, just in case Myth can't do it right now! :D

[Visor]

Haha. Sent it to Myth. Not much to do unless Norway betrayed me.

[Myth]

Taking rebel settlements is its own joy. Ask Zim in UotI!

[Myth]

Heroic Victory for Denmark's Faction Heir, who alone with his closest knights dispatched an 800 strong rebel army West of Kalamar. Two more clear victories in taking rebel settlements. I have built a lot of infrastructure (roads, ports/merchant wraft etc.) that will boost your economy, especially when we sign trade/alliance as the TO has a lot of ports of it's own.

Poland is up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9060)

[Visor]

Thanks a lot. :D

[Nightbringer]

The vile forces of the HRE TO combine have been driven back. Stetin has also been sacked. Meanwhile, the armies of poland continue to grow stronger. You shall regret this attack you dogs!
lithuania up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9063

[Myth]

Interesting. Which TO stacks have you beaten Nightbringer?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9067

Danzig captured as the Order's armies cower inside; Dunaburg captured

https://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/artfreak8/Total%20War/3-1.jpg
https://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/artfreak8/Total%20War/2.jpg
https://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/artfreak8/Total%20War/1-3.jpg

[Myth]

Lol was Danzig the one I thought I was protecting with a fort? I suppose you slipped by that fort and attacked with Catapults?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

That just about sums it up :P

[Myth]

Damn! That's what happens when I play in a hurry on someone elses' PC. But dread the day Lithanian! Today I have placed an order for my new computer that will be all mine. MIIINE! :D

[Myth]

The Lithuanian Grand Duke has been defeated and the siege lifted. He cannot move next turn!

I'm also curious how Poland got so many troops to push that siege back. Were they perhaps aided financially?


Anyway Mongols are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9072)

[Nightbringer]

I was hiding troops in the forest. :)

[slysnake]

I was hiding troops in the forest. :)

Works all the time :)

[phonicsmonkey]

I was hiding troops in the forest. :)

How very Polish of you.

[Nightbringer]

Well I am 1/4 Polish myself :)

[Myth]

I was hiding troops in the forest. :)

https://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6462/asdvp.jpg

[Nightbringer]

well, you know, when my enemy looks like that I prefer to be in a nice dark place where he doesn't see me

[slysnake]

Bump?

[phonicsmonkey]

Tristan is AWOL. Does he have any allies in this game who could sub him?

[slysnake]

Tristan is AWOL. Does he have any allies in this game who could sub him?

Officialy, I don't think he has any allies?

[phonicsmonkey]

Somehow that doesn't surprise me

HRE (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9080)

[slysnake]

Viking's Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/sfsoh7)

[slysnake]

bump?

[phonicsmonkey]

I will sub for Zim, a bit later

[phonicsmonkey]

Denmark (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9099)

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/9wgvhv

Poland. Peace is great.

[Nightbringer]

Lithuania up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9102

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9104

Army outside Capital (I forget the name) defeated.

[Myth]

Mongols up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9108) I'm still wondering where did Poland get so much troops form...

[Nightbringer]

well, I basically just retreated everything I had when I was being overrun. I still had a lot of funds so I recruited as much as I could and now am making my counterattack. there are just a few more units now than when I defeated your army. My economy was great because I captured ~7 small towns on turn 1.

[Myth]

I think Poland's cities produce very nice units in this mod. Do you have the option to recruit dismounted something infantry in your castles at the start?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

You've got good units yourself, plus those stupid crusading nobles. Remind me again why I agreed to allow those :p

[Nightbringer]

no, I actually have no knights, but I do have polish noble spearmen or whatever they are called which are very good.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, I'm going to take over the mongols until Tristan reappears. Can anyone who had any kind of diplomatic dealings with T please pm me so I can get up to speed? Otherwise I'll consider it a clean slate.

Also I have lost track of the game somewhat. Clearly TO is at war with Lithuania and Poland. Are there any other wars and alliances I should know about?

[phonicsmonkey]

HRE (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9117)

[slysnake]

Vikings Up (http://www.sendspace.com/file/tulila)

[Visor]

I'll be gone for 10-12 days or so in around 5 days, so Zim, Myth or Slysnake can sub me.

[slysnake]

I'll be gone for 10-12 days or so in around 5 days, so Zim, Myth or Slysnake can sub me.

I'm free all this coming week except thursday, don't know about Myth and don't know about Zim. Depends who you trust the most to carry out your orders for that turn :)

[Zim]

Denmark

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9134

[Visor]

Nothing doing.

Poles.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/a6ve5u

[Nightbringer]

damn you slysnake! damn you and your catapults! :)
lithuania up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9138

[slysnake]

damn you slysnake! damn you and your catapults! :)
lithuania up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9138

They took a bloody long time to move in - they sure were worth it! :D

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9151

[Myth]

Mongols are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9155) I am glad to have slysnake for an ally! I'm also impressed with Nighbringer's play, I did not expect him to put up such a good fight. Thanatos is also making the most out of Lithuania, but autocalc is the bane of his faction. if this game was with fought battles things would have gone south for me a long time ago! BTW the two armies that were marching towards my lands were defeated and can't move next turn (FYI for Thanatos)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Thanatos is also making the most out of Lithuania, but autocalc is the bane of his faction.

You can say that again :P

[Nightbringer]

thanks for the compliment, but you're no slouch yourself Myth, you got a lot further than I had intended to let you. (hint, I ignored the HRE and focused everything on you in an attempt to win at least one front)

[phonicsmonkey]

HRE
(https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9161)
The Great Khan doesn't side with losers...

[slysnake]

Norway :) http://www.sendspace.com/file/ltlkqc

[Zim]

Denmark

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9177

[phonicsmonkey]

Hey Zim, would you mind subbing for Visor while he's away?

[Zim]

Sure, tomorrow evening ok for playing the turn?

[Zim]

Poland

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9200

[Nightbringer]

gg all,
I die next turn. Thanks to the pond scum no good backstabbing lying dirty, dumb, stupid face mongols!!!!! XD

well done phonics, you managed to get some good cities from a dying nation. :)

lithuania up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9201

[phonicsmonkey]

:laugh4:

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I have a feeling Phonics is the last straw for the both of us :p

[phonicsmonkey]

Phonics is the last straw

That's what my wife says!

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Really, your wife calls you Phonics? :D

[phonicsmonkey]

Really, your wife calls you Phonics? :D

No, but she despises my interweb alter ego...

[Thanatos Eclipse]

TO

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9215

Noticed the TO was bringing Mangonel's into the fight, so can they open settlements?

[phonicsmonkey]

Are they bigger than trebs? If so they can open all levels of wall.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I think they require the same level of building as catapults?? but are mainly meant as a anti-army weapon, not buildings. However it's been a long time since I actually used one, so I'm not positive.

[Myth]

Mangonels require the Siege Works, same level as a Trebuchet. So yes, I can open any kind of wall with it :D

[Myth]

Mongols are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9217)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Mangonels require the Siege Works, same level as a Trebuchet. So yes, I can open any kind of wall with it :D

Are you sure your thinking of this mod, cause when I looked they only require a catapult maker...

[phonicsmonkey]

I have checked and my ruling on the Mangonel is that they only require the same level of building as a catapult, not a trebuchet, and therefore can only open wooden walls or lower, not stone walls.

Myth, did you use any Mangonels to open stone walls last turn? If so could you please replay?

[Myth]

Yes I did. I'll have to redo the save then.

[slysnake]

*sad face* it is an easy mistake to make, cosidering the manogel and trebuchet are both very similar in size and structure...

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for the gap in the rules, I forgot they existed.