Christianity - Lottery ticket to Heaven?

[Rahwana]

just believe in Jesus Christ and if you are lucky (the Christian God is right), you'll go to heaven and all your sins are gone. Not to mention I can freely drank booze and ate pork without sins! Actually I consider to really convert into them, since I was principally atheist and don't care with God or anything spiritual, but the tighter regulations on alcoholic beverages, now all the muslim parties back it despite alcoholic drinks is the bloodline of most Indonesians... make me think that in some years in the near future, Christianity will rise here (and it actually does, since here, conversion is totally free. too bad our government don't recognize atheism)

Anyone know another stupid reasons for converting into Christianity?

[Tellos Athenaios]

You want to live and work in the USA? Edit: or board a plane to the USA?

[Strike For The South]

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[Rahwana]

You want to live and work in the USA? Edit: or board a plane to the USA?

ahh, one more advantage converting into Christianity :grin:

[drone]

I know you didn't mean it like that, but the thread title is kinda funny. Christianity, a 1 in 131,278,024 chance of getting to Heaven. Play every week!

Sounds like your issue is not with beliefs or spirituality, but with organized religion and the control it exerts on the populace. Money and power, power and money.

[Rahwana]

yeah, since muslim leaders now try to forfeit us something we enjoy for millenia, even before Islam comes, we always enjoy good alcoholic beverages, and even 500 years after Islam becomes dominant, we still drink alcohol everyday, despite it was haraam. But now, thanks to the screwed concept of "democracy", muslim parties start to propose and campaign extensively for the banning of our proud tradition of Alcohol.

Man, I'm start to think that live under Dutch colonialization is far better than today's weird muslim politicians, at least we're free to drink alcohol and ate anything.

PS: and Christianity did on the sharp rise here lately, I bet those was because our tighter control upon alcohol (christians are free to buy, consume, and distribute alcohol)

[Skullheadhq]

Man, I'm start to think that live under Dutch colonialization is far better than today's weird muslim politicians, at least we're free to drink alcohol and ate anything.

It was, we should have converted you guys more agressively to Reformed Protestantism and assasinate those pesky muslim leaders like Soekarno, modern-day Indonesia would have been way better, and maybe even a colony still. But those pesky VDB/LU/VVD Liberals , SDAP/CPH/PvdA socialists and RKSP/KVP Catholics would have objected really, and the ARP/CHU/SGP Protestant parties never had a parliamentary majority, we should have sticked with Absolutism really.

Anyway, if you're serious about conversion I suggest you read the Epistles of the Apostles first, starting with Corinthians I up to Jude and if you don't understand anything or get stuck somewhere you can always PM me, I'd be more than happy to help

[Sarmatian]

Epistles of the Apostles

Actually, I you manage to say this quickly five times you're converted.

[Jaguara]

You want to live and work in the USA?

You mean there are still jobs in the USA?

[Jaguara]

Anyone know another stupid reasons for converting into Christianity?

Well, once you have built a Christian Church, then you can build the Monastary tree which allows training of Priest Units and give an extra benefit to happiness. Also, it seems easier to get Christian ancilliaries and so conversion to Christianity seems easier than trying to convert everything to Paganism.

Wait, we were talking about RTW/BI, right?

[Rhyfelwyr]

But only if you convert to true Christianity, which is of course, British Israelism (http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/british-israel%20fact%20or%20fiction.htm).

[HoreTore]

Well....

Increasing numbers of christians is quite unlikely to mean "looser regulation on alcohol"... You're much more likely to see a christian-muslim alliance against teh booze.

[Cute Wolf]

Well....

Increasing numbers of christians is quite unlikely to mean "looser regulation on alcohol"... You're much more likely to see a christian-muslim alliance against teh booze.

nope, a lot of muslims converted into Christianity for legal acess to the Booze, it was the Buddhist and Hinduist organizations here that go openly against the booze... supporting the muslims.

of course, it's a bit confusing reality here, Christians are allready streotyped as drunkards here...

[HoreTore]

Just wait for the evangelicals ~;)

[Hax]

it was the Buddhist and Hinduist organizations here that go openly against the booze... supporting the muslims.

Yeah, not drinking alcohol is one of the Buddhist precepts, so that kinda works.

[Subotan]

It was, we should have converted you guys more agressively to Reformed Protestantism and assasinate those pesky muslim leaders like Soekarno, modern-day Indonesia would have been way better, and maybe even a colony still.
Because the Indonesians themselves didn't want independence at all >_>


But those pesky VDB/LU/VVD Liberals , SDAP/CPH/PvdA socialists and RKSP/KVP Catholics would have objected really, and the ARP/CHU/SGP Protestant parties never had a parliamentary majority, we should have sticked with Absolutism really.

Um. OK.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well the thing with Christians and alcohol obviously varies from place to place, probably more a cultural thing that anything. A lot of Scots Presbyterians still think of alcohol as the "devil's buttermilk".

[Cute Wolf]

Yeah, not drinking alcohol is one of the Buddhist precepts, so that kinda works.

Historically, Srivijayan empire (the ancient Buddhist empire!)'s primary export was... sugar cane wine (tuak/legen), and it was the daily drinks for everyone that time.


Because the Indonesians themselves didn't want independence at all >_>

:grin:
but we don't want to be put under :daisy: islamic rule, I hope that terrorist parties to be arrested soon and executed, just like what Soekarno and Soeharto does, no tolerance towards religious fanaticism is always the best.

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oh, and now some of my muslim friends start asked me to buy booze for them, sonic included, since the rules are in trial period here

[Jaguara]

I am pretty confused, and it sounds like most other people are too.

If I am not mistaken, It sounds like what he is not telling us is that the new law in his country seems to be based on what religion you are registered as...So that if you are Christian, the anti-alcohol law does not apply, but if you are registered as a Muslim or Buddhist then you are no longer allowed to drink alcohol?

Please clairify the nature of this new law so that we can understand a bit better CW.

[Samurai Waki]

Depends on the brand of Christianity you're getting. The New World sects of Christianity tend to be more firebrand about the booze than old world.

[Hax]

Historically, Srivijayan empire (the ancient Buddhist empire!)'s primary export was... sugar cane wine (tuak/legen), and it was the daily drinks for everyone that time.

Yeah, and historically, the later Abbasid caliphs were a bunch of drunkard nymphomanes who partied all night long, Caligula-style, in their palaces in Baghdad.

Doesn't mean that a lot of Muslims drink nowadays, or that Buddhist organisations have no moral justification in their opposition to the consumption of alcohol.

[Centurion1]

catholics love booze look at one of our bastions of faith.......

ireland.....

[HoreTore]

....and yet, most anti-alcohol organizations in europe is based on christianity.

[Skullheadhq]

catholics love booze look at one of our bastions of faith.......

ireland.....

Uhm, we were discussing Christianity, not catholicism ;)

[Cute Wolf]

and I seriously doubt about Sonic's intent :grin:
he just need to be patient with our "we knows" inconsistent government rules :grin:

unless he want to have work in certain corporations :grin:, that's true, Christians here have very very disproportionate grasps in Economy :D

[gaelic cowboy]

catholics love booze look at one of our bastions of faith.......

ireland.....


....and yet, most anti-alcohol organizations in europe is based on christianity.

Ta da
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Total_Abstinence_Association

[Cute Wolf]

I start to wonder, why the Christian religious anti-alcohol movements only grows in predominantly Christian society? Without booze = no fun = no wonder why they lack churchgoers in the west.

God never said "no alcohol" :grin: in Bible, only said not to overdrunk them :grin:

[HoreTore]

Because they "get high on jesus" instead.

[Sarmatian]

Because they "get high on jesus" instead.

Where can you buy this jesus stuff?

[Viking]

....and yet, most anti-alcohol organizations in europe is based on christianity.

Isn't one of the biggest orgs in Norway, perhaps the biggest, secular: MA? It also looks like the socialists have their own (http://arbef.no/), if not for total abstinence.

EDIT: I found a source (http://www.snl.no/avholdsbevegelsen), and I'll translate it:



[...] The origin has only partially been religious. Particularly, the workers' movement supported the case of abstinence - in particular in the early 1900s.

[HoreTore]

Honestly, Viking, you just disappointed me. I thought you knew this. But, since you don't, I'll explain:

First off, do you remember Labour's flirt with KRF last year? A lot of people thought that alliance was far-fetched and surprising, and showed that labour was desperate to find new partners. In reality, however, it was not. The christians and the social democrats in Norway go way back. I assume you know of Arild Edvartsen, norway's missionary king? He was just one of many important christian leaders with labour membership.

When the labour movement started off in the late 19th century, they allied with the grasroot christian movement(lekmannsbevegelsen). They did this for several reasons, the primary one was of course that they both viewed themselves as in opposition to the establishment. Another reason was their fight against the absolute poverty and the social disaster area Norway was at that time. Amalie Skram paints rather shocking images of how life was on the outside back then in all of her novels(If you haven't read anything of her, I heartily recommend Hellemyrsfolket). Alcoholism was seen as one of the key factors that ruined peoples lives(and it is in Skram's work too, along with power abuses), and both lead people to damnation(christians) and tightened the upper classes grip on the status quo(workers).

This alliance between the workers movement and the evangelicals is what has shaped our nations alcohol policy, and it is still in effect today. Even if the associated political parties are in different blocks at the present time, the bond is still strong in the organizations themselves.





Not that I have the slightest problem with all this.

[HoreTore]

It should also be noted that I was speaking in more international terms. Let's face the facts Viking, nobody else gives a [insert naughty word for manure here] about what happens in our little neck of the woods ~;)





Don't be fooled by those speeches from Mother Gro, she was on meth the entire time.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Let's face the facts Viking, nobody else gives a [insert naughty word for manure here] about what happens in our little neck of the woods ~;)Oh poppycock, Hore. We are interested in your place! Just because Norway is small does not mean we all don't know all about your LEGO and Carlsberg and Little Mermaid. :book:

[HoreTore]

Oh poppycock, Hore. We are interested in your place! Just because Norway is small does not mean we all don't know all about your LEGO and Carlsberg and Little Mermaid. :book:

You shouldn't make fun of your future feudal overlords.

You know the future; Europe is covered in debt, while we, through our oil fund, are busy buying up everything... Think ahead, Louis, and start pleasing your Norman overlods now. You never know, we might throw you some leftovers when the time comes ~;)

[Centurion1]

Uhm, we were discussing Christianity, not catholicism ;)

yeah i realize im not mentally incompetent......

i was referring to this post ;)


epends on the brand of Christianity you're getting. The New World sects of Christianity tend to be more firebrand about the booze than old world.

@horetore..... the chinese of europe hahahahaha

[HoreTore]

@horetore..... the chinese of europe hahahahaha

Indeed we are! In 20 years, when the rest of the world has bankrupted, India, China and Norway will divide the world between us!

What's the biggest pile of money in the world? The norwegian oil fund. What's the fastest growing pile of money in the world? The norwegian oil fund. 300 billion 10 years ago, 3000 billion today. Deep down, you know where this is going. I recommend brushing up on your Norwegian, I promise I'll be gentle when I enslave your firstborn daughter ~:)

[Rhyfelwyr]

The situation with labour and alcohol isn't unique to Norway, the early Labour Party in Britain supported prohibition, with alcohol being seen as keeping the working man down and causing all sorts of social problems.

[HoreTore]

The situation with labour and alcohol isn't unique to Norway, the early Labour Party in Britain supported prohibition, with alcohol being seen as keeping the working man down and causing all sorts of social problems.

Yes, but it is arguably the only place where the restrictive alcohol policy is still in force, which is evident in our alcohol prices, who are waaaaaaay above any other country in Europe.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yes, but it is arguably the only place where the restrictive alcohol policy is still in force, which is evident in our alcohol prices, who are waaaaaaay above any other country in Europe.

Scotland's hoping to join you soon though, yay for devolution! (that being a sarcastic yay)

[HoreTore]

Scotland's hoping to join you soon though, yay for devolution! (that being a sarcastic yay)

Then I support the scots, as I support our high tax on alcohol.

But then, I have always viewed the scots the good guys over in Britainland, a true shame that they're being kept down by the Man in westminster...

Tell you what, I'll get the Swedes in on the plan and you convince your fellow scots, and we can form a glorious union from Edinburgh to Helsingfors! We're brothers in the spirit, you know this. Let's make it official! We'll rule the world!!

[Hax]

I promise I'll be gentle when I enslave your firstborn daughter

Ah, good to see the Viking spirit up and running.

[Rhyfelwyr]

But then, I have always viewed the scots the good guys over in Britainland, a true shame that they're being kept down by the Man in westminster...

Until the present lovely couple showed up just remember where the man in Westminster came from...

[Rahwana]

geez, don't believe CW said, I just merely want to have the same lottery ticket to heaven, as almost all of my friends now turned Christians (well, having legally able to bought booze is better than having to bribe extra for the shop)

[Fragony]

geez, don't believe CW said, I just merely want to have the same lottery ticket to heaven, as almost all of my friends now turned Christians (well, having legally able to bought booze is better than having to bribe extra for the shop)

Well got bad news for you, it's all predetermined. You burn or you don't. Unless you are a catholic than you can just take what you really really want. All kinda silly imho

[Rahwana]

Well got bad news for you, it's all predetermined. You burn or you don't. Unless you are a catholic than you can just take what you really really want. All kinda silly imho

wow nice! so I guess if I just take that, I won't go to hell? :grin:
:2thumbsup: but if someone go to hell, he just have bad luck then :clown:

[rory_20_uk]

geez, don't believe CW said, I just merely want to have the same lottery ticket to heaven, as almost all of my friends now turned Christians (well, having legally able to bought booze is better than having to bribe extra for the shop)

How does that work? Were they Muslim before? I thought that those who choose to give up the faith are to be put to death.

~:smoking:

[Cute Wolf]

How does that work? Were they Muslim before? I thought that those who choose to give up the faith are to be put to death.

~:smoking:

luckily for them, our governments are still largely secular, unlike malaysia...
that's why Islamic parties try to change our "easy going" government :wall:

[Viking]

Honestly, Viking, you just disappointed me. I thought you knew this. But, since you don't, I'll explain:

First off, do you remember Labour's flirt with KRF last year? A lot of people thought that alliance was far-fetched and surprising, and showed that labour was desperate to find new partners. In reality, however, it was not. The christians and the social democrats in Norway go way back. I assume you know of Arild Edvartsen, norway's missionary king? He was just one of many important christian leaders with labour membership.

When the labour movement started off in the late 19th century, they allied with the grasroot christian movement(lekmannsbevegelsen). They did this for several reasons, the primary one was of course that they both viewed themselves as in opposition to the establishment. Another reason was their fight against the absolute poverty and the social disaster area Norway was at that time. Amalie Skram paints rather shocking images of how life was on the outside back then in all of her novels(If you haven't read anything of her, I heartily recommend Hellemyrsfolket). Alcoholism was seen as one of the key factors that ruined peoples lives(and it is in Skram's work too, along with power abuses), and both lead people to damnation(christians) and tightened the upper classes grip on the status quo(workers).

This alliance between the workers movement and the evangelicals is what has shaped our nations alcohol policy, and it is still in effect today. Even if the associated political parties are in different blocks at the present time, the bond is still strong in the organizations themselves.





Not that I have the slightest problem with all this.


I knew the abstinence bit, thus I was surprised to read your previous post and felt the need to reply. :inquisitive:

[Skullheadhq]

Well got bad news for you, it's all predetermined. You burn or you don't. Unless you are a catholic than you can just take what you really really want. All kinda silly imho

And you know who´s predetermined or not? Please tell me, am I one of the lucky ones?

[Meneldil]

Yeah, not drinking alcohol is one of the Buddhist precepts, so that kinda works.

Go and tell that to all the freaking hippies who bring up how buddhism is awesome everytime they get drunk.

[HoreTore]

I knew the abstinence bit, thus I was surprised to read your previous post and felt the need to reply. :inquisitive:

The workers movement is behind a lot, if not almost everything, of what makes Norway a pleasant country to live in.



But to take the fight against alcohol from the christians is unfair. They have simply done more than the workers movement in that area.

[Centurion1]

frag predestination is in the minority of christian sects even protestant ones.

[Hax]

Go and tell that to all the freaking hippies who bring up how buddhism is awesome everytime they get drunk.

Believe me, I'm very much familiar with the Shambhala Buddhists who have a very, let's say, "liberal" interpretation of the Five Precepts. They suggest that the Precepts are somehow "optional" and what makes you a Buddhist is the taking of Refuge. Still, I'm very much in disagreeance with anyone claiming to be Buddhist while getting drunk. I personally don't want to have anything to do with them.

[Rhyfelwyr]

frag predestination is in the minority of christian sects even protestant ones.

But they're the best ones. :wink:

Plus they'll be the ones Frag is used to given he is from Dutchland.

[Strike For The South]

I like booze, therefore I am whatever the people at burning man are

[Rahwana]

and someone just stolen somebody else's muslim fiancee, despite allready having a nice girlfriend :clown:
I wonder is that because she want booze or not?