Bristol Palin earned $262,500 from sex abstinence work

[Strike For The South]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/bristol-palin-earned-262-500-sex-abstinence-20110405-151310-062.html;_ylt=AhSs8tShsK53pqQXe_W2DtaYn8h_;_ylu=X3oDMTNhOWllYTRwBHBrZwMyMDJjZWY2ZS00NTE5LTNkYzQtYjQ2 NC0yMzI5NzI3ODYxMDUEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhU3RvcnlMaXN0BHZlcgM3YjNhYmZkMC01ZmQ3LTExZTAtYmU2Ny0xZGFmZTQ0 NWE5YjQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTFjNjVhOWUzBGludGwDY2EEbGFuZwNlbi1jYQRwc3RhaWQDBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

Some people get all the breaks eh?

There are people with PhDs whom have made vast contributions to the bank of human knowledge who make half or 1/4 of this. Hell, some of these people are unemployed

Of course, I can't hate on her for filling her niche and making her money. Don't hate the player as the old saying goes
But one’s mind does wander to dark places when one realizes people will pay exuberant amounts of money to be inundated with a world view they already subscribe to, from a person who is a living breathing caricature of that world view

NO SPELLING MISTAKES

[Louis VI the Fat]

I think Bristol Palin is an excellent argument for sexual abstinence. Worth every penny.


NO SPELLING MISTAKESPunctuation errors. :book:

[Scienter]

In a way, I feel bad for her. Abstinence only sex ed is a joke, and I wonder how ignorant she was about safe sex, pregnancy, etc. It makes me sad that she earned money for advocating abstinence after she had a child. Not because of her, personally, but because I feel like she's a pawn in her mother's political aspirations. She's the poster child for how abstinence only sex ed is unrealistic.

[Strike For The South]

Punctuation errors. :book:

In fairness, English is my first langauge

[Gregoshi]

Does this make her a constitute? :inquisitive:

[rory_20_uk]

Just like the Pastors of religions that rake in vast sums for telling people what they want to hear.

If she wants to earn her money being derided by vast numbers of people then so be it. As has already been said by others, that she is used as an example appears... stupid: "I had sex, it was great. I got pregnant and now I earn a load of money telling you not to! Don't get pregnant - let me be the only one with a highly paid, cushy job."

~:smoking:

[Shibumi]

Should she not at least be able to get the message across in her own family, before she starts to rake in the cash?

[Husar]

She could also lead by being a bad example and tell others how, even though she loves her child of course, it was a mistake to have had sex etc.

I mean aren't a whole lot of street workers and youth program leaders former problem kids who try to prevent others from making the same mistakes?

[rory_20_uk]

She could also lead by being a bad example and tell others how, even though she loves her child of course, it was a mistake to have had sex etc.

I mean aren't a whole lot of street workers and youth program leaders former problem kids who try to prevent others from making the same mistakes?

They aren't earning $250k+ for their lifestyle. How is it to be portrayed as a "mistake" when the individual is almost a celebrity, not someone earning a low salary for a role that is underappreciated? I might earn close to that in a decade or more, after training for the previous decade. Or get horny and flexible. Tough choice, eh?

~:smoking:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well the American Christian Right is corrupt as ****, at least at the higher levels.

Having said that, abstinence is 100% effective. Although I don't think that's why the Christian Right should focus on it. It should be a moral issue, not a practical one to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

[Jaguara]

Having said that, abstinence is 100% effective.

Abstinence itself is 100% effective (except for that one case, of course :wink:)...but the STRATEGY of abstinence is DISMALLY ineffective.

Because, simply, a very significant percentage end up not abstaining, and because they have been denied access/information on other strategies, when they do it is often almost completely unprotected.

[gaelic cowboy]

Yea abstinence is 100% effective when the kids are told the truth about sex but if you just tell em "Oi Nooooo" like some Harry Enfield sketch then twill fail.

I bet the stats on kids who break the pledge would be they invariably have unprotected sex 100% of the time when they break it.

[Ronin]

would this also count if it was non voluntary abstinence?

damn it I could be a millionaire!

[gaelic cowboy]

would this also count if it was non voluntary abstinence?

damn it I could be a millionaire!

:laugh4:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah people always make fun of abstience, funny how when they go the opposite route and teach kids things from Primary School you end up with the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe and a generation of chavs raising kids on benefits.

[gaelic cowboy]

Yeah people always make fun of abstience, funny how when they go the opposite route and teach kids things from Primary School you end up with the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe and a generation of chavs raising kids on benefits.

Thats not cos of sex education and you know it to be true yourself Rhy, how many of those people are coming at the situation either from overindulgence of alcohol or purely because they live in a scummy council estate with zero family values or boundaries.




edit 1: on a purely unrelated note i couldnt help noticing your new sig and I want to say I too support the right of self determination for Ulster and hope to see the day when all 9 counties stand together.

edit 2: course there might not be such a great gra for a free Ulster with an even more sizeable and probably now Catholic majority. :curtain:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Thats not cos of sex education and you know it to be true yourself Rhy, how many of those people are coming at the situation either from overindulgence of alcohol or purely because they live in a scummy council estate with zero family values or boundaries.

Yeah I know the problems run much deeper. But I'm just saying for all the mockery of the effectiveness of abstinence, the alternative kind of bombed spectacularly. The way some people talk you would think they could create a utopia just by throwing condoms at people, but guess what it didn't work.


edit 1: on a purely unrelated note i couldnt help noticing your new sig and I want to say I too support the right of self determination for Ulster and hope to see the day when all 9 counties stand together.

edit 2: course there might not be such a great gra for a free Ulster with an even more sizeable and probably now Catholic majority. :curtain:

I always find it funny when people throw the 9 counties thing at me. The think its funny how Huns talk about the six-country Northern Ireland as Ulster when the historic one also included Donegal/Monaghan/Cavan. When Republicans get all anal about it, I like to point out that its funny how Irish natioanlists insist on defining their own borders using those created by the Tudor administration to oversee the planatations. Zing!

Boundaries change. The first map we have of Ireland shows Ulster as a small province roundabout Antrim/Down, it was only much later it came to mean where it does now. Everyone knows what people mean by Ulster, they are talking about the idea of a nation, not some arbitrary lines on a map drawn up hundreds of years ago.

[Viking]

A look at some statistics (http://globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator.cfm?IndicatorID=127) regarding teenage pregnancy doesn't immediately give any clues. At bottom (ignoring NK and China), births per 1000 women:

South Korea - 3
Japan - 4
Switzerland - 5
Netherlands - 5
Spain - 6

At the top for the richer countries:

U.S. - 53
New Zealand - 27
Hungary - 21
UK - 20

Though of course, number of abortions will further complicate the issue, as can be seen on p. 20 here (http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/repcard3e.pdf).

So, if reducing teenage pregnancy is a goal, it seems that a one-size-fits-all approach is not going to be a success. For instance, what does Iceland (19) share with the Czech Republic (17), that it does not share with Sweden and Denmark (both 7)? Why is the number for the Netherlands 5, closer to Japan's 4 than Germany's 11?

[gaelic cowboy]

I always find it funny when people throw the 9 counties thing at me. The think its funny how Huns talk about the six-country Northern Ireland as Ulster when the historic one also included Donegal/Monaghan/Cavan. When Republicans get all anal about it, I like to point out that its funny how Irish natioanlists insist on defining their own borders using those created by the Tudor administration to oversee the planatations. Zing!

Boundaries change. The first map we have of Ireland shows Ulster as a small province roundabout Antrim/Down, it was only much later it came to mean where it does now. Everyone knows what people mean by Ulster, they are talking about the idea of a nation, not some arbitrary lines on a map drawn up hundreds of years ago.

Boundaries changed absolutely not a chance of that man how will we run the local junior B championship for GAA


edit now that i think on it a bit we prob do define ourselves purely based on the constructs the GAA decided to use

Now I had a better think those upstart Tudors only codified what was already there to begin with

Mayo = Maigh Eo, meaning "Plain of the yew trees"

[Husar]

They aren't earning $250k+ for their lifestyle. How is it to be portrayed as a "mistake" when the individual is almost a celebrity, not someone earning a low salary for a role that is underappreciated? I might earn close to that in a decade or more, after training for the previous decade. Or get horny and flexible. Tough choice, eh?

~:smoking:

Well, some people put a lot of hard work into cleaning the streets and disposing the waste others produce, a very vital service in our society unless we want to drown in our own waste, yet they don't earn a whole lot. I wasn't saying her wages/earnings are fair, just that you don't have to be an excellent example of what you preach to convince others.
The pay apparently depends on what people/the market are willing to pay for it, guess she's just better at choosing the right job. ~;)

[gaelic cowboy]

Well, some people put a lot of hard work into cleaning the streets and disposing the waste others produce, a very vital service in our society unless we want to drown in our own waste, yet they don't earn a whole lot. I wasn't saying her wages/earnings are fair, just that you don't have to be an excellent example of what you preach to convince others.
The pay apparently depends on what people/the market are willing to pay for it, guess she's just better at choosing the right job. ~;)

Or there is a lot of fools who fancy throwing money at her to be told what they already believe

[Scienter]

Yeah people always make fun of abstience, funny how when they go the opposite route and teach kids things from Primary School you end up with the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe and a generation of chavs raising kids on benefits.

In the US, teen pregnancy is up and many have attributed this to lack of comprehensive sex education. Teens who are only taught abstinence and then still have sex will do so entirely unprotected. Or, they'll rely on rumor and second hand information about how to prevent pregnancy, i.e. pulling out, standing up immediately after, assuming one can't get pregnant her first time, etc. Or, they will "abstain" by remaining technical virgins and engage in other sexual behavior that is not intercourse and give each other STIs that way.

There's nothing wrong with teaching that abstinence is the 100% effective method for avoiding pregnancy because it's true. That said, abstinence only education courses in US public schools are shame-based and I think it's wrong to try and scare or shame teens into remaining abstinent. Further, US abstinence only programs reinforce antiquated notions regarding gender. For both gender but especially girls. Many of the abstinence only programs have religious undertones and place the responsibility for preventing premarital sex on the shoulders of girls. Or worse, they teach girls that if they have premarital sex they won't have the "gift" of their virginity for their husbands.

Attaching shame to sex is not the answer.

[gaelic cowboy]

I remember the day the teacher was going to do sex ed with us, she stood at the top of the class and said "blah blah talk about sex" we all sniggered like the 11/12yr olds we were so the teacher got mad and refused to hold the class and that was that for sex ed.

When I think back it was an outrageous stance to take by the teacher, but then we were not the "right sort" of people being country thicko farmers and all.

[Shibumi]

In the US, teen pregnancy is up and many have attributed this to lack of comprehensive sex education. Teens who are only taught abstinence and then still have sex will do so entirely unprotected. Or, they'll rely on rumor and second hand information about how to prevent pregnancy, i.e. pulling out, standing up immediately after, assuming one can't get pregnant her first time, etc. Or, they will "abstain" by remaining technical virgins and engage in other sexual behavior that is not intercourse and give each other STIs that way.

There's nothing wrong with teaching that abstinence is the 100% effective method for avoiding pregnancy because it's true. That said, abstinence only education courses in US public schools are shame-based and I think it's wrong to try and scare or shame teens into remaining abstinent. Further, US abstinence only programs reinforce antiquated notions regarding gender. For both gender but especially girls. Many of the abstinence only programs have religious undertones and place the responsibility for preventing premarital sex on the shoulders of girls. Or worse, they teach girls that if they have premarital sex they won't have the "gift" of their virginity for their husbands.

Attaching shame to sex is not the answer.

100% agree. Agree even more on the bold part.

[Vuk]

I guess Bristol's work is paying off. ~;) (http://nationaljournal.com/healthcare/cdc-teen-pregnancy-rate-hits-record-low-20110405)

[HoreTore]

Yeah people always make fun of abstience, funny how when they go the opposite route and teach kids things from Primary School you end up with the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe and a generation of chavs raising kids on benefits.

Uhm, what?

I'd suggest you compare the pregnancy figures of, say, Fragistan(where sex ed is taught) and the US(where abstinance is grrrrrrreat).

[Vuk]

Uhm, what?

I'd suggest you compare the pregnancy figures of, say, Fragistan(where sex ed is taught) and the US(where abstinance is grrrrrrreat).
So you think that abstinence does not work at all then?

[HoreTore]

Double post.

[HoreTore]

So you think that abstinence does not work at all then?

Yes.

I also consider it morally wrong.

[Vuk]

Yes.

I also consider it morally wrong.

Funny, because I have proof that it does work. Moi! I have fathered 0 children, contracted 0 STDs, and am living a happy life. I see your point that it is morally wrong for me to make that choice though, as it is hardly fair to deprive women of all my Vukness :beam:, but I dare say they will get on alright without me. :)
In all seriousness though, are you really telling me that it is morally wrong for me to make that choice? Sorry bro, but it does work!

[HoreTore]

.....and I have fathered 0 children, contracted 0 and lead a happy life as well. And I have not been abstinent.

But that's completely irrelevant, of course, as I am talking about abstinence as a strategy to attain certain goals, not the individuals choice not to have sex.

[Ronin]

Funny, because I have proof that it does work. Moi! I have fathered 0 children, contracted 0 STDs, and am living a happy life. I see your point that it is morally wrong for me to make that choice though, as it is hardly fair to deprive women of all my Vukness :beam:, but I dare say they will get on alright without me. :)
In all seriousness though, are you really telling me that it is morally wrong for me to make that choice? Sorry bro, but it does work!

hey...castration might work also...

it is not morally wrong for you to make that decision...but it is morally wrong to try to impose on young people that it's the only valid choice available to them.

personally I don´t consume drugs, even legal ones like alcohol and coffee...I think I function better like this but it doesn´t cross my mind that I should push this on other people.

[HoreTore]

hey...castration might work also...

it is not morally wrong for you to make that decision...but it is morally wrong to try to impose on young people that it's the only valid choice available to them.

personally I don´t consume drugs, even legal ones like alcohol and coffee...I think I function better like this but it doesn´t cross my mind that I should push this on other people.

+1 interwebz to you

[Rhyfelwyr]

Uhm, what?

I'd suggest you compare the pregnancy figures of, say, Fragistan(where sex ed is taught) and the US(where abstinance is grrrrrrreat).

Why Fragistan and not the UK? See what I mean, the results seem to have less to do with the type of education and more to do with the culture wherever they are being taught.

The article linked to in this thread somewhere said the best results in the US were not achieved where either abstinence or sex ed were taught, but a combination of both.

[HoreTore]

Come to think of it, it is striking that all the anglo countries are at the top of teen pregnancy lists.

I guess you people are just inferior to the rest of us. Oh well.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Why would that make us inferior? If anything we need more teen pregnancies, cos when half the population is over 50 you're in trouble.

[Vuk]

.....and I have fathered 0 children, contracted 0 and lead a happy life as well. And I have not been abstinent.

But that's completely irrelevant, of course, as I am talking about abstinence as a strategy to attain certain goals, not the individuals choice not to have sex.
Did I say that it should be a federal or state law? No, but that does not mean that parents should not teach it to their kids, and that it is not effective. You know, there have been studies showing that having sex creates deep bonds, and that breaking those bonds by having sex with multiple partners not only leads to depression, but causes confusion and makes permanent relations very difficult.
Safe sex is fine, but it is really better to practice abstinence. My parents taught us, and it worked for all 6 of us. It just gets down to how good a job of parenting the parents do. It can be made much easier for the parents by changing society (not through laws, but through movements).
Promoting a healthy lifestyle is not taking someone's freedom away.


hey...castration might work also...

it is not morally wrong for you to make that decision...but it is morally wrong to try to impose on young people that it's the only valid choice available to them.

personally I don´t consume drugs, even legal ones like alcohol and coffee...I think I function better like this but it doesn´t cross my mind that I should push this on other people.

As I said, promoting a healthy lifestyle is not taking someone's freedom away. Promoting the idea that life could be better without castrating ones self is not the same thing as taking away a person's power to do so. Parents should want what is best for their kids, and promoting abstinence will help their kids be healthy, happy individuals with good long-term chances of a healthy relationship.
You don't have to get behind it, but you also don't need to stand in the way. It is not unrealistic, and it is not "immoral". (anymore than pushing the idea of freely having safe sex on kids is. Neither forces them, but both influence them. You just have to ask yourself, which is better for them?)

[gaelic cowboy]

Why would that make us inferior? If anything we need more teen pregnancies, cos when half the population is over 50 you're in trouble.

Oh my god teen pregnancy it's terrible that young people as young as my grandmother was back in the day are having children.

Hey wait a minute society is just returning to an older state isn't it after all the later-ish pregnancies of our parents generation is really an aberration in terms of the family.

[Vuk]

Oh my god teen pregnancy it's terrible that young people as young as my grandmother are having children.

Hey wait a minute society is just returning to an older state isn't it after all the later-ish pregnancies of our parents generation is really an aberration in terms of the family.
As long as people stick together and give their kids a healthy environment to be raised in, I don't care if people have children at the age of 17! As long as they are old enough to know what they want, and committed enough to be good parents, why hold them back?

[Jaguara]

As long as people stick together and give their kids a healthy environment to be raised in, I don't care if people have children at the age of 17! As long as they are old enough to know what they want, and committed enough to be good parents, why hold them back?

A 17 year old child, not old enough to choose to drink alcohol, sign a legal contract, hold a full driver's licence (here you have a resricted licence until 18), or even enter an "adult" store, is somehow qualified to "know what they want" and be "committed enough to be good parents"?

Perhaps you should take a look at the real demographics of young parents...they are not a pretty sight.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Anything less than 18-21 years old is generally physically immature (and for men you can bump that to 25), let alone emotionally. Not a good candidate for parenthood. That's before considering the fact that raising a child in a modern society costs a lot of money: you can't just hunt/gather your food anymore, you need to buy it. At age 18-21 you could decide to spend the day doing hunting/gathering (you simply wouldn't have a job and spend that time on finding your meals), but spending a day at a typical job for young&uneducated is not really an equivalent proposition if you have to raise a child.

Just imagine the pizzaguy having to support a child off tips to see what I mean.

[Strike For The South]

I realize that on this forum the concept of a women wanting to have sex with you is a forigen concept

But it is wrong to teach people to abstain from the biggest biological imperative other than eating and sleeping

It isn't so much the abstaining, its the guilt and shame 2 people feel because some Jewish Mysterey religion told them to.

[gaelic cowboy]

I realize that on this forum the concept of a women wanting to have sex with you is a forigen concept

But it is wrong to teach people to abstain from the biggest biological imperative other than eating and sleeping

It isn't so much the abstaining, its the guilt and shame 2 people feel because some Jewish Mysterey religion told them to.

Not only is it wrong it is basically physically impossible, as long as they have had sexual taboos we have had people breaking them seems like there not making any headway at all at all.

[HoreTore]

It isn't so much the abstaining, its the guilt and shame 2 people feel because some Jewish Mysterey religion told them to.

Strike hits the jackpot.

Sex is both pleasurable, natural and good for your health. That is what we should teach the young.

[Scienter]

The article linked to in this thread somewhere said the best results in the US were not achieved where either abstinence or sex ed were taught, but a combination of both.

I agree with you here. There's nothing wrong with a combination of both. Discussing abstinence is part of comprehensive sex education. What I object to is when abstinence teaching (both abstinence-only and as part of comprehensive education) is shame-based, guilt-based, sexist, or has religious undertones.



Did I say that it should be a federal or state law? No, but that does not mean that parents should not teach it to their kids, and that it is not effective. You know, there have been studies showing that having sex creates deep bonds, and that breaking those bonds by having sex with multiple partners not only leads to depression, but causes confusion and makes permanent relations very difficult.
Safe sex is fine, but it is really better to practice abstinence. My parents taught us, and it worked for all 6 of us. It just gets down to how good a job of parenting the parents do. It can be made much easier for the parents by changing society (not through laws, but through movements).
Promoting a healthy lifestyle is not taking someone's freedom away.


It's totally up to the parents what they teach their kids at home. There's nothing wrong with promoting what they perceive as a healthy lifestyle. Even if I disagree, it's none of my business what parents teach their kids at home. But schools are not required to conform to the teaching of every parent, and teaching abstinence-only in schools is not the way to go. Abstinence may be a realistic choice for many teens, but it's not the choice that they all are going to make, and the ones that choose to have sex deserve to have information to help them do it safely.

For every study out there that having sex w/ multiple partners, there is a study showing the opposite. It depends on the person.



You don't have to get behind it, but you also don't need to stand in the way. It is not unrealistic, and it is not "immoral". (anymore than pushing the idea of freely having safe sex on kids is. Neither forces them, but both influence them. You just have to ask yourself, which is better for them?)

I'm not bashing abstinence as a choice; I don't think there is anything wrong it so long as it's freely chosen and not out of guilt or shame. Limiting this discussion solely to school education, I think that it is unfair to kids to not provide them with all the information.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Strike hits the jackpot.

Sex is both pleasurable, natural and good for your health. That is what we should teach the young.

It also causes an emotional connection, which can be confusing and painful if you enter into it too young. I have also observed that men who have lots of sexual partners seem to have shorter and less fulfilling relationships.

Anyway, given that you are so scared of your own little men you can't get it up without a condom I don't think you're really qualified to talk about a healthy attitude to sex, seeing as you don't seem to have one.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Anything less than 18-21 years old is generally physically immature (and for men you can bump that to 25), let alone emotionally.

In what respects?


Oh my god teen pregnancy it's terrible that young people as young as my grandmother was back in the day are having children.

Hey wait a minute society is just returning to an older state isn't it after all the later-ish pregnancies of our parents generation is really an aberration in terms of the family.

It is indeed an aberration and a real problem. There's nothing healthy about waiting until your late 30's/40's to have kids and then leaving their kids without grandparents. Not to mention the risk of downs syndrome etc.


As long as people stick together and give their kids a healthy environment to be raised in, I don't care if people have children at the age of 17! As long as they are old enough to know what they want, and committed enough to be good parents, why hold them back?

Exactly. It varies obviously but I have no doubt that some 17 year olds are capable of doing this. And that figure probably increases exponetially from 18+...

[Tellos Athenaios]

The biological processes which make you fertile and develop all sorts of new interesting bodily features don't stop until about 21 for women and until about 25 for men. That's why men of say 25 tend to look a lot more mature than those of 18 and so on.

For women in particular they tend to be the most fertile from 21 on until about mid/late 20's, and before that time their body tends to be less well adapted to actually surviving pregnancy. Additionally young women have higher risk of all sorts of complications with the pregnancy, more so than women have with their first pregnancy.

[HoreTore]

It also causes an emotional connection, which can be confusing and painful if you enter into it too young. I have also observed that men who have lots of sexual partners seem to have shorter and less fulfilling relationships.

Anyway, given that you are so scared of your own little men you can't get it up without a condom I don't think you're really qualified to talk about a healthy attitude to sex, seeing as you don't seem to have one.

What nonsense.

Edit: it's also quite fascinating that someone who claims to be a "philosopher" seems to be completely unnaware of normalization processes of norms and the effects that process produces.

[Xiahou]

Sex is both pleasurable, natural and good for your health. That is what we should teach the young.That's what I was told in religion class in HS. :shrug:

It isn't so much the abstaining, its the guilt and shame 2 people feel because some Jewish Mysterey religion told them to.How do you feel about a culture that looks down on the obese and make them feel ashamed for eating what they want?

[Lemur]

How do you feel about a culture that looks down on the obese and make them feel ashamed for eating what they want?
As much as I loathe MTV, they've never been convicted of protecting pedophiles. It's all a matter of degree.

Also, as I posted just now in News of the Weird, abstinence does not, in fact, guarantee you won't get an STD (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/04/guy-contracts-first-ever-insect-borne-std-gives-it-to-wife.php).

As for Bristol Palin, good for her for cashing in. Everybody should grab the brass hoop when it passes by. The organizations paying her the money, on the other hand, are veeeeeeery suspect.

[Xiahou]

As much as I loathe MTV, they've never been convicted of protecting pedophiles. It's all a matter of degree.And... what does that have to do with anything?

[Scienter]

That's what I was told in religion class in HS. :shrug:
How do you feel about a culture that looks down on the obese and make them feel ashamed for eating what they want?

I don't like how our society body polices in general. People snark on each other's bodies for so many reasons. :no:

[Jaguara]

Anyway, given that you are so scared of your own little men you can't get it up without a condom I don't think you're really qualified to talk about a healthy attitude to sex, seeing as you don't seem to have one.

Does this really have to descend into petty impotence jokes?

Are you so insecure in the strength of your points that you have to resort to personal slander?

[Reenk Roink]

Wasn't this the one who got knocked up too? :laugh4:

[PanzerJaeger]

This is what we call turning lemons into lemonade - a family specialty it seems.

[Hosakawa Tito]

As much as I loathe MTV, they've never been convicted of protecting pedophiles. It's all a matter of degree.

Also, as I posted just now in News of the Weird, abstinence does not, in fact, guarantee you won't get an STD (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/04/guy-contracts-first-ever-insect-borne-std-gives-it-to-wife.php).

As for Bristol Palin, good for her for cashing in. Everybody should grab the brass hoop when it passes by. The organizations paying her the money, on the other hand, are veeeeeeery suspect.

I wonder if the fact her last name happens to be Palin has anything to do with all the negativity? Good for her indeed. Like most things in life the freedom to have sex also includes taking responsibilty for the consequences of unintended pregnancy. Many seem to be all for the freedom part, but come up way short on the responsibilties end. As long as ya'll don't expect me to subsidize your baby making/child rearing duties, then by all means bang away.

[HoreTore]

No worries Hosa, that's why abortion was invented ~;)

[Strike For The South]

How do you feel about a culture that looks down on the obese and make them feel ashamed for eating what they want?

IDK, I'll tell you when we get one

Sex is a weighty thing and kids should be taught the emotional and physical issues that come along with it

BUT abstienence is always framed with religous undertones or apocolyptic versions of dick rot and that simply isn't true, you know that.

I live in Lubbock Texas

http://www.kcbd.com/story/4747808/lubbock-std-rates-are-chronically-high-especially-in-teens?redirected=true

High STD

http://www.changinglubbock.com/Pages/Facts_TeenPregnancy.aspx#Sources

Most teen pregnancys in the state

Coincedentally Lubbock also has the most churches per capita in the nation

But Im sure that has nothing to do with anything

[HoreTore]

You live in Lubbock, SFTS? Seriously? I'm considering three(mainly) universities to get my masters, the uni in Lubbock is one of them...

[Vuk]

IDK, I'll tell you when we get one

Sex is a weighty thing and kids should be taught the emotional and physical issues that come along with it

BUT abstienence is always framed with religous undertones or apocolyptic versions of dick rot and that simply isn't true, you know that.

I live in Lubbock Texas

http://www.kcbd.com/story/4747808/lubbock-std-rates-are-chronically-high-especially-in-teens?redirected=true

High STD

http://www.changinglubbock.com/Pages/Facts_TeenPregnancy.aspx#Sources

Most teen pregnancys in the state

Coincedentally Lubbock also has the most churches per capita in the nation

But Im sure that has nothing to do with anything

lol, so you don't disagree with abstinence, but with the religious undertones sometimes associated with it? Your beef then is with religion in schools, and not with abstinence. Why attack abstinence education then?

[Scienter]

lol, so you don't disagree with abstinence, but with the religious undertones sometimes associated with it? Your beef then is with religion in schools, and not with abstinence. Why attack abstinence education then?

I think the issue here is abstinence ONLY education. I don't think it's possible to separate it from religious undertones, since the main body of people who support abstinence ONLY feel that way due to religious beliefs. There is nothing wrong with teaching abstience in conjunction with information about safe sex. It's grossly unrealistic to assume that ALL teens will abstain because some choose to do so. Those who choose to have sex deserve to be provided with the information to do so safely.

[Reenk Roink]

This is what we call turning lemons into lemonade - a family specialty it seems.

True, haters gonna hate (and I'm not exactly endeared to the Palin's) but it is pretty amazing how she earned more with this than I probably ever will, even after going through med school. I'm slightly jelly... :juggle2:

[Centurion1]

double

[Centurion1]

how will you not earn over 260k as a doctor? in your lifetime especiall

[Reenk Roink]

how will you not earn over 260k as a doctor? in your lifetime especiall

Annually...

[Strike For The South]

You live in Lubbock, SFTS? Seriously? I'm considering three(mainly) universities to get my masters, the uni in Lubbock is one of them...

Cereral? I'm in the uni right now....that's why I'm here

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lol, so you don't disagree with abstinence, but with the religious undertones sometimes associated with it? Your beef then is with religion in schools, and not with abstinence. Why attack abstinence education then?
you hear but do not listen

[Xiahou]

But Im sure that has nothing to do with anythingI agree. Btw, your statistics seem to be lacking. Simple google searches disproved them...
Highest rate of HIV by state? California (http://www.avert.org/usa-states-cities.htm). By city? New York.
Highest churches per capita? Wheaton, IL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheaton,_Illinois#Religion).
Don't let that stop you though. :book:

[Cute Wolf]

well, abstinence is personal choice, shouldn't be forced, and we should get comprehensive educations on anything, so know the risks and what to do in certain situations. Since we can't control everybody's lucks or bad lucks about that.

[Strike For The South]

I agree. Btw, your statistics seem to be lacking. Simple google searches disproved them...
Highest rate of HIV by state? California (http://www.avert.org/usa-states-cities.htm). By city? New York.
Highest churches per capita? Wheaton, IL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheaton,_Illinois#Religion).
Don't let that stop you though. :book:

It says the exact same thing about Lubbock on wikipedia....about why it should be the "buckle" of the bible belt

You can harraunge me all you want but my point remains unchanged

[naut]

It's grossly unrealistic to assume that ALL teens will abstain because some choose to do so.
I belief it is grossly unrealistic to assume many teens will abstain completely. Playing devil's advocate, humans evolved to have children from just after puberty onward (15+), as we as a species didn't live much longer than 30-35. Society and its norms may have developed and changed, but our physiology is still linked to our hormonal explosion during adolescence, so teen pregnancy is perfectly natural (ethics aside). Thus, these people are fighting something that when you strip away all vestiges of society and technology and leave only people is bound to happen, in most cases at least. Then isn't abstinence only education bound and destined to fail?