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It's quite big, build in the thirties. It has a big garden, and an awesome swimming pool. Adjecent to the pool is a wing that needs some work, it's glass roof has many a broken window, it is filled with greek statues overgrown with plants. The toilet in my bedroom is broken. The house is fully furnished, I don't really like the style. Upstairs there are several bedrooms, nobody slept there for years. But it's most remarkable feature has to be that it doesn't exist. I keep having this dream that it somehow became my property, same place every time. I remember it in detail now that I write this just as I woke up at 3:30. What the que how can I remember such a place in such detail. Almost feels like I have been there in a different life
a completely inoffensive name
04-21-2011, 02:54
What was in the fridge?
PanzerJaeger
04-21-2011, 04:29
As long as it doesn't get to this point, I think you'll be ok.
https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/panzerjaeger/dreyfus-without-the-mashed-potatoes.jpg
Sarmatian
04-21-2011, 09:00
It's quite big, build in the thirties. It has a big garden, and an awesome swimming pool. Adjecent to the pool is a wing that needs some work, it's glass roof has many a broken window, it is filled with greek statues overgrown with plants. The toilet in my bedroom is broken. The house is fully furnished, I don't really like the style. Upstairs there are several bedrooms, nobody slept there for years. But it's most remarkable feature has to be that it doesn't exist. I keep having this dream that it somehow became my property, same place every time. I remember it in detail now that I write this just as I woke up at 3:30. What the que how can I remember such a place in such detail. Almost feels like I have been there in a different life
There are people you can talk to about that, you know that, right?
architects and such
thought I was gonna say psychiatrists, didn't ya?
Skullheadhq
04-21-2011, 09:39
It was a vision, I guess it´s your destiny to buy that house :clown:
HoreTore
04-21-2011, 10:08
The mind is a fantastic organ, and it's simply playong tricks on you, frags.
As I see it, there are three possible explanations for this:
1. It's all a fantasy and constructed in your brain
2. It's a house you've seen on television or something like that some time ago
3. The house is constructed from various different houses you've seen, been in or heard of in the past, and you have taken one feature from each of them and put them together.
Just remember, there are no otherwordly forces at work here.
Skullheadhq
04-21-2011, 19:02
The mind is a fantastic organ, and it's simply playong tricks on you, frags.
As I see it, there are three possible explanations for this:
1. It's all a fantasy and constructed in your brain
2. It's a house you've seen on television or something like that some time ago
3. The house is constructed from various different houses you've seen, been in or heard of in the past, and you have taken one feature from each of them and put them together.
Just remember, there are no otherwordly forces at work here.
Where did Norway's great Lutheran tradition go? Did the liberal plague kill it?
Strike For The South
04-21-2011, 19:43
Most of my dreams are about sex and violence
Most also involve my mother
What does that great Lutheran tradition have to say about me?
Skullheadhq
04-21-2011, 20:58
Most of my dreams are about sex and violence
Most also involve my mother
What does that great Lutheran tradition have to say about me?
I hope your mother doesn't read the .ORG, or any decent person for that matter :clown:
Louis VI the Fat
04-21-2011, 21:15
Most of my dreams are about sex and cleaning my house
Most also involve Strike's mother
What do Serbian architects have to say about that?
Skullheadhq
04-21-2011, 21:24
Most of my dreams are about sex and cleaning my house
Most also involve Strike's mother
What do Serbian architects have to say about that?
Strike's mom cleans your house while you have sex upstairs?
HoreTore
04-21-2011, 23:34
Where did Norway's great Lutheran tradition go? Did the liberal plague kill it?
I have never believed in a god or ever considered myself christian in any way, how should I know?
This thread is hilarious on so many levels.
The mind is a fantastic organ, and it's simply playong tricks on you, frags.
As I see it, there are three possible explanations for this:
1. It's all a fantasy and constructed in your brain
2. It's a house you've seen on television or something like that some time ago
3. The house is constructed from various different houses you've seen, been in or heard of in the past, and you have taken one feature from each of them and put them together.
Just remember, there are no otherwordly forces at work here.
SANITY HAS BEEN RECLAIMED
muchos gracias for pointing that out
Gah you athiests with all your fancy logic and science just suck the fun right out of life...:no:
ReluctantSamurai
04-23-2011, 00:19
Just remember, there are no otherwordly forces at work here.
Don't be so sure....
I had a simultaneous dream about a log cabin with my live-in girlfriend, a while ago. The really "otherworldly" was that we both saw the exact same cabin (with the exact same pile of cordwood stacked next to it)..........only the time-period was a hundred years different. Where she saw a new cabin, and a freshly cut and stacked pile of cordwood, I saw a falling down ruin, with a rotten stack of cordwood. We even saw the exact same trail leading away into the woods from the front door.
The intensity of the dream woke us both up at the same time, and we just stared at each other for a second...and we knew we'd both had the same dream....but it took the telling to reveal the time differential.
And for a number of years when I was very little, I had a recurring dream in great detail and full technicolor about a barn that I would not actually see until I was well into my teens..................
HoreTore
04-23-2011, 00:31
Yes, I'm still sure.
There are two options here as I see it:
1. A coincidence. Yes, the odds are astronomical. But what does "astronomical odds" mean? It simply means that something will happen. Consider the number of dreams humanity has had so far in history. Quite an astronomical number too, right? Suddenly, two people having such dreams at the same time is quite logical.
2. We still don't know how the brain works, and how the brain interacts with the rest of the body and how it is influenced by outside stimulation. Depending on how it works, it could be that one of you affected the brain of the other, or that the same outside stimulation created the same effect in both of you.
Which one? Don't know. But I sure know that it wasn't the finger, leg, penis or some other part of god that touched you.
HoreTore
04-23-2011, 00:33
Gah you athiests with all your fancy logic and science just suck the fun right out of life...:no:
Quite the contrary!!
The world is wonderfully bizarre and intriguing, there's absolutely no need to search for ghosts to make it interesting!
ReluctantSamurai
04-23-2011, 00:48
But I sure know that it wasn't the finger, leg, penis or some other part of god that touched you.
Has nothing to do with god, anyways...
Your explanation...which I don't buy for a second...might do for the cabin story, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
But what explanation can you come up with for the barn? I saw it in such great detail (and in color) as a two or three year old (and you can rule out tv's as there were only b&w when I was that age), and I grew up in a highly urbanized area with the nearest barn miles away.
HoreTore
04-23-2011, 01:02
Same as the first: coincidence.
Think about all the things humans have ever thought about in the history of man. Of course someone is going to encounter stuff they have thought about previously, it's bound to happen.
Let's say it's a billion to one shot. Well, all you need is one billion thoughts and bingo, you've got one hit.
Logic, reason and maths. Nothing more to it.
ReluctantSamurai
04-23-2011, 20:20
Logic, reason and maths. Nothing more to it.
When the "logic, reason and maths" stretch the limits of credibility more than a belief in paranormal occurrences, then it's time to ditch them in favor of another explanation. Coincidence has nothing to do with it, IMHO......
Quite the contrary!!
The world is wonderfully bizarre and intriguing, there's absolutely no need to search for ghosts to make it interesting!
Don't worry I was joking :wink:
Don't be so sure....
I had a simultaneous dream about a log cabin with my live-in girlfriend, a while ago. The really "otherworldly" was that we both saw the exact same cabin (with the exact same pile of cordwood stacked next to it)..........only the time-period was a hundred years different. Where she saw a new cabin, and a freshly cut and stacked pile of cordwood, I saw a falling down ruin, with a rotten stack of cordwood. We even saw the exact same trail leading away into the woods from the front door.
The intensity of the dream woke us both up at the same time, and we just stared at each other for a second...and we knew we'd both had the same dream....but it took the telling to reveal the time differential.
And for a number of years when I was very little, I had a recurring dream in great detail and full technicolor about a barn that I would not actually see until I was well into my teens..................
Have a look at this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg
The human mind copies a lot. When you learn to speak, you are essentially copying sound patterns from others. That two people have similar dreams sounds pretty likely to me, probably you had both seen/heard or in other forms experienced something that could inspire your two similar dreams.
Regarding otherwordly forces, this is my pivotal observation: people that believe in them will use them to explain things that they cannot explain using ordinary phenomena. People that do not believe in them, will instead think that they lack some key facts that would make them able to explain the relevant incidents ordinarily. In essence: heavy bias.
ReluctantSamurai
04-25-2011, 14:05
That two people have similar dreams sounds pretty likely to me, probably you had both seen/heard or in other forms experienced something that could inspire your two similar dreams.
That two people could have a similar dream can certainly be explained by such subliminal criteria as demonstrated in the flick. That two people could have the exact same dream with a time twist is stretching the subliminal angle a bit far, IMHO. That I could have a dream about a structure years in advance of when I would actually see that exact building cannot be explained using logical methods of reasoning.
In essence: heavy bias.
That certainly seems to be the case, for either side.
Rhyfelwyr
04-25-2011, 20:49
I can actually remember my dream from an afternoon nap I had today.
It started with me playing golf with some friends, when some old people started hitting golf balls at us. So we went and confronted them, when a bus drove by full of people from some cult. Anyway, one of them happened to be a "traveller", a group of people I saw a documentary about which are nomadic like the Roma but they still do proper work etc. And we went down to the beach with them, but when we got ready to go swim, we could see the guy was an alien.
Then my brain switched to a spaceship race as the space police chased down this ship, and eventually they caught it by putting a wormhole of something in it that lauched it into a different time/place. Then onboard the ship, a woman was laying a trail of food down, which I knew was to help her catch a dog. And there was a TV on the ship, that showed a propaganda movie of some sort of Galactic Empire, which had a flag which was a mix of the USA's/USSR's. And during it an advert came up for an ice cream sandwhich, which I somehow managed to eat from the advert.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
You need professional help.
To beat the aliens of course. ~D
HoreTore
04-25-2011, 23:36
No, no, no.
This is obviously the voice of God ordering you to bomb the royal wedding.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Go back to your dealer, get more of the same batch of stuff. :yes:
I do believe we can snap up mental energies from others. Have happened often enough for me. Now, I do not go out and claim it to be "true", and I can not do it on command. However, I have experienced enough strangeness for me to believe it to be true.
We use like what? 5% of the brain? I am sure that in there somewhere there are receivers picking up signals somehow.
HoreTore
04-26-2011, 10:38
I do believe we can snap up mental energies from others. Have happened often enough for me. Now, I do not go out and claim it to be "true", and I can not do it on command. However, I have experienced enough strangeness for me to believe it to be true.
We use like what? 5% of the brain? I am sure that in there somewhere there are receivers picking up signals somehow.
The brain is controlled by electrons running around. All electricity has a magnetic field. All electricity is affected by magnetic fields. Several experiments have proven that you can affect the thinking of a person using electrodes, it's not highly unlikely that another brain can have the same effect.
Alas, we probably won't know exactly how the brain works in our lifetime....
Greyblades
04-26-2011, 10:42
Or maybe it could just be chance, 1000000000000 to one is still a possibility.
HoreTore
04-26-2011, 10:45
Or maybe it could just be chance, 1000000000000 to one is still a possibility.
1000000000000 to one is more than a possibility. 1000000000000 to one means that it will happen when the action is performed 1000000000000 times.
And since we have 6 billion dreams every 24 hours, it becomes quite probable that we'll see a lot of it.
That two people could have a similar dream can certainly be explained by such subliminal criteria as demonstrated in the flick. That two people could have the exact same dream with a time twist is stretching the subliminal angle a bit far, IMHO.
Not really, both persons were of the same specie after all - similar brains, wile not a 100%. The difference in the dreams could stem from difference the in the way the experience that inspired the dreams was interpreted; or perhaps it stemmed from a gap in information that was then filled in by the individual dreamers.
That I could have a dream about a structure years in advance of when I would actually see that exact building cannot be explained using logical methods of reasoning.
You probably saw or heard about it somewhere prior to your dream. You could have seen it in b&w on the TV or in the newspaper and then 'paint' it with your own colours that turned out to fit (have you ever dreamt in b&w?). It is not necessary that you saw the exact same barn, you could have seen a different barn, but that your memory became twisted - and one day you saw a barn that fit well with the twisted memory. I say fit well, because memories can be pretty vague stuff, so who is to say that there were no discrepancies between the barn in your mind and the one in reality? The striking similarity would be enough to give the feeling of having seen it before, one should think.
There are many ways to explain your experiences with relying on something unknown, we have not exhausted all options yet. Far from it, I'd say.
Greyblades
04-26-2011, 10:48
1000000000000 to one is more than a possibility. 1000000000000 to one means that it will happen. How common it is depends on the number of times the operation is performed, but that it happens is garaunteed. :shrug: Sure. It only had to happen once.
HoreTore
04-26-2011, 10:52
Viking's post leads to another question:
How does memory work?
Well, we know that the brain doesn't remember exactly how things are. We remember the most prominent features, not everything. When we remember a face, we remember it as a caricature. We remember the defining features but leave the rest. It's been proven that we recognize faces better if we see a caricature drawing than if we see an actual photo, this is due to how the mind stores memories.
So, to say that it was "exactly as you remembered" is wrong, as you didn't remember all of it, just some of the prominent details of that feature.
There is also the whole deja vú thing.
Not saying that is the case here, but having some understanding of it can fill in some of the blanks maybe, or at least further the understanding of the brain. Deja vú is when we feel something has happened before, while in fact it is just some bad wiring in the brain, running what happened through memory circuits instead of the "live" intake ones.
Memories are very vague things, as plenty of studies on witness reports has shown.
Noetic Science people... that and "the Secret" and Quantum mechanics.
Yeah, I just read "the Lost Symbol" by Dan Brown :sneaky:
ReluctantSamurai
04-26-2011, 15:08
1000000000000 to one is more than a possibility. 1000000000000 to one means that it will happen when the action is performed 1000000000000 times.
This is what I was referring to when I said believing in probability stretches credibility more than believing in a paranormal occurrence. When you begin to have more Zero's than a WW2 Japanese fighter wing, it's time to consider something else.
You probably saw or heard about it somewhere prior to your dream. You could have seen it in b&w on the TV or in the newspaper and then 'paint' it with your own colours that turned out to fit (have you ever dreamt in b&w?). It is not necessary that you saw the exact same barn, you could have seen a different barn, but that your memory became twisted - and one day you saw a barn that fit well with the twisted memory.
No. I saw the exact barn in my dream that I was to see later in real life. That I could have painted in the colors is certainly possible, but the details could not have been gleaned from any tv source or a book. Such details included things like the center support beam having been replaced by a modern, pressure treated timber; the ladder up into the hay mow being in the exact same place; the rig to move hay bales into the barn was of a particular (and rare) type; the double doors up in the mow that opened to allow movement of hay into the barn had a specific shape and size...things so specific that coincidence is simply too astronomical to consider, IMHO.
So, to say that it was "exactly as you remembered" is wrong, as you didn't remember all of it, just some of the prominent details of that feature.
What I saw in my dream was not similar...it was exactly the same. I remembered enough details peculiar to that structure to be able to identify it as the very same.
HoreTore
04-26-2011, 15:11
"Astronomical odds" means that it will happen.
Bah, no sense thinking that those who believe in the irrational will somehow produce rational arguments for it.
But I am quite familiar with people not being able to handle big numbers, it is quite hard to understand sizes one has never seen or encountered, I'll give you that one. It's like how people who have never seen something that is 1m3 struggle with calculating volume.
Rhyfelwyr
04-26-2011, 15:54
No. I saw the exact barn in my dream that I was to see later in real life.
Maybe you are living in a time loop like in Donnie Darko. There must have been a corruption in space time, meaning that you are no longer in the primary universe, but in fact a tangent universe, which repeats itself whenever it gets to when this corruption took place.
You and your girlfriend are obviously the only ones who have the power to end this time loop, end this tangent universe, and return to the proper one so that you can avoid the time corruption and time can continue.
Whatever you have to do, or whatever you must stop happening, obviously involves this barn. I think it is significant that one of you saw the barn when it was new, and another when it was old and falling apart. This barn is where the corruption in time has taken place.
As to how you are getting this vision showing what you must do, it must be coming from some agent capable of travel through the fourth dimension. IMO, it is somebody using technology from the future to send you the vision, because if they don't show you what you need to do to end the time loop, they will never come to exist, just like Marty McFly had to get his parents together or he wouldn't exist.
So there you go, a perfectly rational explanation, that doesn't involve any of HoreTore's silly figures and other such nonense.
HoreTore
04-26-2011, 16:00
Your explanation makes perfect sense, Rhy.
Simply too perfect.... This is obviously the work of the Octosquid gloal NWO conspiracy. But you left them out.... Why? The obvious answer is that YOU are an agent working for them! Congratulations on infiltrating the backroom, but now your devious works has come to an end!
En garde!!
ReluctantSamurai
04-26-2011, 16:52
I think it is significant that one of you saw the barn when it was new, and another when it was old and falling apart.
The barn and the simultaneous dream are two different dreams............or were they?:juggle2:
But otherwise, for the last two posts..................:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
No. I saw the exact barn in my dream that I was to see later in real life. That I could have painted in the colors is certainly possible, but the details could not have been gleaned from any tv source or a book. Such details included things like the center support beam having been replaced by a modern, pressure treated timber; the ladder up into the hay mow being in the exact same place; the rig to move hay bales into the barn was of a particular (and rare) type; the double doors up in the mow that opened to allow movement of hay into the barn had a specific shape and size...things so specific that coincidence is simply too astronomical to consider, IMHO.
What immediately strikes me here, is the detailed memory that you have of your dream. I can only speak for myself, but while I might sometimes remember my dreams of the night in the morning as I wake up, both the details and content of the dream will become vaguer and vaguer as the hours go by - and eventually most of my dreams will be forgotten.
I have problems in believing that you actually have such detailed memories from your dreams. It seems more reasonable that you had a very similar dream, and that this led your brain to believe that the details in real life that you saw, were also a part of the dream.
But that is not all. You could have seen the barn at some point in time when you were much younger, so young that your 'ordinary' memory does not remember your visit, while the memory of it is nonetheless still in your head.
That was not all either - there are gahzillions of options to consider, so I do not understand why you seem so unwilling to consider more ordinary explanations, when they are so numerous that you could fill the Pacific with them.
ReluctantSamurai
04-26-2011, 20:24
I have problems in believing that you actually have such detailed memories from your dreams.
For most dreams, I do not. For that one....I did. When I actually walked into it for the first time, I got all queasy and light-headed. Deja-vu X 10. I knew exactly where to look for things I had seen in my dream.
You could have seen the barn at some point in time when you were much younger
I didn't see my first barn, in person, until a decade later, and the barn in question was over 100mi from my hometown. No other barn I have ever been in (and I've been in lots of them as later I would come to have a business of salvaging barns) looked like that one on the inside.
so I do not understand why you seem so unwilling to consider more ordinary explanations, when they are so numerous that you could fill the Pacific with them.
I've considered many...none make as much sense as having a "portent" of things to come. I am not an avid paranormal believer (in otherwords I don't spend my waking hours trying to figure such things out) but I do believe there are things that occur that have no logical explanation.
I didn't see my first barn, in person, until a decade later, and the barn in question was over 100mi from my hometown. No other barn I have ever been in (and I've been in lots of them as later I would come to have a business of salvaging barns) looked like that one on the inside.
I don't think you can recall every place that you have visited when being really young (3-6 years of age). You may well subcounsciously carrying a memory of such a visit.
I've considered many...none make as much sense as having a "portent" of things to come. I am not an avid paranormal believer (in otherwords I don't spend my waking hours trying to figure such things out) but I do believe there are things that occur that have no logical explanation.
Well, does your omen theory make sense? Do you often experience omens? What would trigger them? Why a barn?
Personally, I have seen no refutable evidence that omens do actually exist, so it does not make too much sense to me to use it as an explanation when the theory has not proved its worth. So that makes me wonder whether you have experienced other 'omens' that, from your point of view, would strengthen this particular theory?
ReluctantSamurai
04-27-2011, 04:30
I don't think you can recall every place that you have visited when being really young
Agreed.
You may well subcounsciously carrying a memory of such a visit.
Possible, but unlikely. The specifics that I remembered were unique to that structure. I do not think I could have seen them elsewhere.
Personally, I have seen no refutable evidence that omens do actually exist, so it does not make too much sense to me to use it as an explanation when the theory has not proved its worth.
So because I cannot empirically prove it, then it must not be true? I think the reverse can also apply...it cannot be disproved beyond all doubt, therefore there is a chance that such things can be true.
Do you often experience omens?
So we're calling it an "omen" now? :laugh4:
To answer your question...no, I don't experience paranormal events 'often'. I've had a few, but none as strong as this one.
What would trigger them? Why a barn?
I have no idea what would trigger them. I am no student of such things nor do I care to be. As to why a barn? Again, I have no idea. But then I've a strong affinity for those fine pieces of architecture...had a business to salvage the lumber...learned how to timber-frame from them...and went on to build log homes and other structures using what I learned from barn architecture and joinery.
In the long run, I don't see this as a case for the "X-Files". It's just something that happened to me....and the OP's topic spurred me to chip in my experience.
So because I cannot empirically prove it, then it must not be true? I think the reverse can also apply...it cannot be disproved beyond all doubt, therefore there is a chance that such things can be true.
How do you analyse the world but empirically? Empiricism = through experience, as opposed to rationalism which claims that we arrive at truths through the human mind alone.
So, when you have experienced something, it makes utmost sense to apply empiricism to it - just like you would then you learn a skill for the first time. Testing out various techniques and strategies to see what fails and what succeeds.
Yes, they are possible. But so is anything, really. It is impossible to disprove the existence of such things, so it does not really make sence to bring it up.
To answer your question...no, I don't experience paranormal events 'often'. I've had a few, but none as strong as this one.
I have no idea what would trigger them. I am no student of such things nor do I care to be. As to why a barn? Again, I have no idea. But then I've a strong affinity for those fine pieces of architecture...had a business to salvage the lumber...learned how to timber-frame from them...and went on to build log homes and other structures using what I learned from barn architecture and joinery.
In the long run, I don't see this as a case for the "X-Files". It's just something that happened to me....and the OP's topic spurred me to chip in my experience.
The reason that I am asking is because when a theory which is supposed to be very general turns out to have little evidence supporting it, one should be careful applying it. There is probably a reason for that its body of evidence is so weak, which may be that there is no truth in it.
Personally I have no such experiences - whatsoever. According to some, the world is full of paranormal experiences to be had - but I have to rely on others for them - so naturally, I very sceptical about the whole thing. If they actually where real, there should be a way of proving them. Either by chance of luck or through means that we could use to provoke their occurrence.
Only if paranormal things were allergic to the categorical observation would they be impossible to prove scientifically. That's a weak card if I ever saw one.
ReluctantSamurai
04-27-2011, 21:02
How do you analyse the world but empirically?
So what do you do when something does not lend itself to empirical analysis?
It is impossible to disprove the existence of such things
My point.
Personally I have no such experiences - whatsoever. According to some, the world is full of paranormal experiences to be had - but I have to rely on others for them - so naturally, I very sceptical about the whole thing.
Which goes a long way towards explaining your pov on the matter. When one has first-hand experience at something that could be considered paranormal, it effects how you view such things, IMHO.
If they actually where real, there should be a way of proving them. Either by chance of luck or through means that we could use to provoke their occurrence.
There are people who try to do just that. I am no student of such things, and so I have no knowledge of the research being done. And as I said previously, I have no urge to do so.
That's a weak card if I ever saw one.
Weak only if a paranormal event has never happened to you, personally.
When I posted to this thread, I wasn't attempting to prove anything or promote any kind of slant towards paranormal events. All I was doing was relating an experience of mine that could be like the one the OP had. Nothing more.
I hadn't expected the "Spanish Inquisition". :laugh4:
Many paranormal experiences are just not paranormal.
I can't remember who posted a little flick where a normal non-believing/skeptic girl agreed to undergo an experiment.
A scientist put on her a helmet that had a large magnet over a particular place of her brain.
She was left in a dark room and they ignited the magnet. She had a fantastic "paranormal" experience and we could see that she was quite shaken by the experience. She reported light beings visiting with her, which remarkably is quite similar to the experiences of religion founders.
But with all such experiments, there is always an escape for believers. They could always claim that the magnet activated some part of our brain normally not activated and hence she was able to see the world beyond.
So what do you do when something does not lend itself to empirical analysis?
What would the problems be? One has experiences and see how they relate to the larger picture. Perhaps one has similar experiences - similar in many ways, or perhaps only one. If one knows the nature of one those experiences, then the similarity might mean that one is on one's way to finding the nature of the other experience.
Which goes a long way towards explaining your pov on the matter. When one has first-hand experience at something that could be considered paranormal, it effects how you view such things, IMHO.
There is another side to the coin, which is my theory. That is the paranormal experiences need to be interpretted as paranormal in order to be paranormal. For some people it is easier to explain things using paranormality rather than accepting that some things cannot be figured out straightaway. (it could sound condescending, but is not intended as such)
I have many reasons for believing this - primarily based upon human psychology. I have had first hand experience with the gullibility of the human mind when it comes to this. Last year, a friend of mine from high school almost tricked me into believing some clairvoyance stuff. He is not an expert, but got inspired through some books he had read and wrote a text with some content supposed to describe people - and he sent this unedited text to various persons - and most people found that it described them well, including myself.
What I am trying to tell with that story, is that the evidence for the paranormal might often seem overwhelming and strong, but yet they never seem to be able to remove any doubt. Upon further analysis, the evidence turns out not to be evidence after all.
Weak only if a paranormal event has never happened to you, personally.
The weak card is that paranormal things should be allergic to or shy when contronted with scientists or experiments. That after all these decades of science we happen to still not have any certain observations of the paranormal. Though indeed, the fact that it only happens to some people is also alarming.
When I posted to this thread, I wasn't attempting to prove anything or promote any kind of slant towards paranormal events. All I was doing was relating an experience of mine that could be like the one the OP had. Nothing more.
I hadn't expected the "Spanish Inquisition". :laugh4:
Oh, you're welcome... I am not trying to convince anyone, but to present my own arguments and try to defeat those seemingly in contrast to them. Both sharpens and broadens the mind. So, as long as you are willing to come up with arguments supporting the paranormal, I might just try to shoot them down. ~;)
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