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Skullheadhq
04-23-2011, 12:07
Anyone knows what's happening?
johnhughthom
04-23-2011, 12:58
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13169518
Skullheadhq
04-23-2011, 14:02
Having the same problem
Oh, what's your name on PSN? Maybe we could play a game sometime.
And WTF Sony? Easter and you take PSN down...
CountArach
04-23-2011, 16:01
There are rumours going around that Anonoymous have done it, but they are denying all responsibility.
Kekvit Irae
04-23-2011, 18:14
There are rumours going around that Anonoymous have done it, but they are denying all responsibility.
I don't believe Anon is responsible. They are more like a hacktivist version of Fred Phelps; if they did it, they would have done everything in their power to gain media attention.
Knight of Ne
04-23-2011, 23:19
It may not be Anon but it looks like it was hackers. See Link (http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/04/23/update-on-playstation-network-qriocity-services/)
Why do people have to be such :furious3: and ruin everything for others.
Ne
Good thing I use Xbox Live.
johnhughthom
04-23-2011, 23:56
Good thing I use Xbox Live.
You'd be doing well to get on PSN with your Xbox.
CountArach
04-24-2011, 00:45
I don't believe Anon is responsible. They are more like a hacktivist version of Fred Phelps; if they did it, they would have done everything in their power to gain media attention.
Which is why I didn't believe it. They aren't exactly the most subtle group.
Prussian to the Iron
04-24-2011, 21:24
This is...annoying. Right when spring break starts as well, and to top it all off, I'm too sick to go outside to do anything which means I'm stuck in the house...with no PSN.
I like it because some of my friends have to get off of their gaming systems and enjoy life for once. Here, at least, it is a beautiful weekend, and if I did not have annoying family over, I would be off elsewhere, enjoying it. Spring is in the air and my trees are coming back to life...gotta love it.
That having been said, I bet the hacker(s) are feeling a bit puffed up in terms of their self worth at the moment.
Alright: This is getting serious. Sony reportedly unable to tell if PSN users' personal information compromised.
Full story: http://kotaku.com/#!5795349/sony-doesnt-know-yet-if-your-credit-card-number-was-stolen
Still being incredibly tight-lipped about all of this. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks. :no:
Oh, what's your name on PSN? Maybe we could play a game sometime.
And WTF Sony? Easter and you take PSN down...
Same as here, but having some severe problems with my connection, haven't been able to play long before PSN shut down
Skullheadhq
04-26-2011, 13:41
Alright: This is getting serious. Sony reportedly unable to tell if PSN users' personal information compromised.
Full story: http://kotaku.com/#!5795349/sony-doesnt-know-yet-if-your-credit-card-number-was-stolen
Still being incredibly tight-lipped about all of this. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks. :no:
Luckily I bought a PSN prepaid card instead of using a creditcard.
Pure pwnage. (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/sony-admits-utter-psn-failure-your-personal-data-has-been-stolen.ars)
Sony has finally come clean about the "external intrusion" that has caused the company to take down the PlayStation Network service, and the news is almost as bad as it can possibly get. The hackers have all your personal information, although Sony is still unsure about whether your credit card data is safe. Everything else on file when it comes to your account is in the hands of the hackers.
In other words, Sony's security has failed in a spectacular fashion, and we're just now finding out about it. In both practical and PR terms, this is a worst-case scenario.
What did they get?
Here is the data that Sony is sure has been compromised if you have a PlayStation Network Account:
* Your name
* Your address (city, state, and zip)
* Country
* E-mail address
* Birthday
* PSN password and login name
"It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained," Sony announced. While the company claims that there is "no evidence" that credit card information has been compromised, it won't rule out the possibility.
Glad I'm still boycotting Sony. :yes:
I had a sneaking suspicion this would be the case, seeing as it's been.. what, five days since PSN went down? God help them if their customers' financial information got lost. I can hear the backlash train a-coming now :no:
Mailman653
04-27-2011, 00:00
I say, they should offer their members free service for two months or more and people who actually have had their credit card information stolen, used and and abused and can prove it, free lifetime membership and money to clear their name.
U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal Demands Answers From Sony in Wake of PSN Breach (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/116/1164280p1.html)
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/26/sony-says-psn-intrusion-compromised-personal-info-hopes-to-ha/
Sony says PSN 'intrusion' compromised personal info; hopes to have 'some services' back 'within a week'
Prussian to the Iron
04-27-2011, 03:31
I say, they should offer their members free service for two months or more and people who actually have had their credit card information stolen, used and and abused and can prove it, free lifetime membership and money to clear their name.
U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal Demands Answers From Sony in Wake of PSN Breach (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/116/1164280p1.html)
2 free months of...what? PSN is free to be a member of. its not like XBL where you have to pay.
Mailman653
04-27-2011, 03:48
Serriously?! Wow...got so used to getting money sucked out of me to enjoy a game that I figured the service was suscription based like XBL.:oops:
Har, thanks to having a 40GB PS3 model I never really considered buying anything on PSN and as such have never given them my credit card info.
My personal data, well, not nice, but easier to get anyway, may have to think about changing my passwords when it's back online though.
I also wonder whether they can catch the hackers.
Prussian to the Iron
04-27-2011, 14:04
Why oh why does this have to be over my spring break? no PSN over spring break stuck at home? wtf.
Skullheadhq
04-27-2011, 16:24
I wonder why they don't put it back up, I mean, what else can they steal?
Mailman653
04-27-2011, 18:54
http://us.playstation.com/support/answer/index.htm?a_id=2356
New FAQ posted up by Sony in regards to the breach.
Krusader
04-27-2011, 19:33
Oh fun.
Only have my CC info stored on 3 sites. Amazon, Steam & PSN. After this, only two sites and if I have to change a new credit card, none. Been changing passwords on email and some other sites to be on the very safe side.
And oh, now I got to keep an eye on my credit card info. I sincerely hope they offer something tangible in return for these troubles, downtime is one thing, but having personal information and especially credit card information stolen is a damn big nono. A one or two year free membership for Playstation Plus or a coupon to buy PS3 games (preferably not from PS Store since it has a damn limited selection compared to most retail stores).
Strike For The South
04-27-2011, 19:58
Effing wonderful
I don't think anything financal is on there, but still
I wonder why they don't put it back up, I mean, what else can they steal?
Your new passwords and credit cards, of course!
My guess is that they are completely revamping how all that data is stored. They haven't come out with details on how the data was stored prior to the intrusion. If the passwords were stored in plaintext, they are just stupid. If the passwords were hashed, they can be brute-forced offline if the entire account DB was stolen. I'm guessing personal info was plaintext, and credit card numbers not encrypted.
If you use the same password from PSN on other online accounts, you may want to change that now.
Kekvit Irae
04-27-2011, 23:04
I'm guessing personal info was plaintext, and credit card numbers not encrypted.
And that, my friends, is why you use a database with an MD5+Salt Hash.
IT WILL CHANGE HOW WE THINK ABOUT ONLINE SECURITY FOREVER
Sigh.... Sony
Heh, well, I was aware of such risks before, but despite my hesitation to give my details to Sony (which was mostly because they said they would round everything up to multiples of 5€, meaning I'd usually give them some more money than I'd actually have to pay, even if the rest would stay for the next purchase), I didn't expect their security to be so lax.
Then again my address is also in the phonebook, so hacking Sony's network to get it seems like overkill. ~;)
Mailman653
04-28-2011, 18:12
Sony Confirms PSN Credit Card Data Encrypted, Personal Information Was Not (http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/116/1164658p1.html)
Oh fun.
Only have my CC info stored on 3 sites. Amazon, Steam & PSN. After this, only two sites and if I have to change a new credit card, none. Been changing passwords on email and some other sites to be on the very safe side.
And oh, now I got to keep an eye on my credit card info. I sincerely hope they offer something tangible in return for these troubles, downtime is one thing, but having personal information and especially credit card information stolen is a damn big nono. A one or two year free membership for Playstation Plus or a coupon to buy PS3 games (preferably not from PS Store since it has a damn limited selection compared to most retail stores).
Well block the creditcard. That is all really
Skullheadhq
04-29-2011, 10:10
Well block the creditcard. That is all really
See the post above you.
Krusader
04-29-2011, 16:55
http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-8Wvvm6p/0/XL/i-8Wvvm6p-XL.jpg
Latest Penny Arcade comic strip. (Will admit, I have no idea why the hill is labeled Stem-Cell research)
Tellos Athenaios
04-29-2011, 17:07
No Class Action if the PSN terms & conditions require individual arbitration. At least in the USA.
(Will admit, I have no idea why the hill is labeled Stem-Cell research)
I think it's Gabe's disdain for the old-style political cartoons. He just threw that on there as a parody.
Who am i?
05-01-2011, 23:31
Hello.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/01/some-psn-services-to-return-this-week-full-services-within-thi/#continued
The list of known services returning to PSN this week are listed after the break.
•Restoration of Online game-play across the PlayStation®3 (PS3) and PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) systems -This includes titles requiring online verification and downloaded games
•Access to Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity for PS3/PSP for existing subscribers
•Access to account management and password reset
•Access to download un-expired Movie Rentals on PS3, PSP and MediaGo
•PlayStation®Home
•Friends List
•Chat Functionality
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/01/psn-outage-plus-qriocity-free/#continued
Sony plans to offer free downloads of unidentified "content," 30 days of free PlayStation Plus access to new and existing members, and 30 days of free Qriocity service. The paper also says that PSN service will be restored "soon."
Mailman653
05-02-2011, 15:44
More details on the freebies (http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/116/1165426p1.html)
Sony Shuts Down SOE (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/116/1165430p1.html)
Sony: 24.6 Million SOE Customers' Personal Data Compromised (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/116/1165589p1.html)
Mailman653
05-05-2011, 01:27
Sony Issues Letter to Congress on PSN Attack, Points Finger At Anonymous (http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/116/1165975p1.html)
Prussian to the Iron
05-05-2011, 01:53
..........Still not up.....THIS IS BULLHOCKEY!!!!
..........Still not up.....THIS IS BULLHOCKEY!!!!
Ya, at least a daily update would be nice so we at least know they aren't too busy stealing Nintendo's ideas and market it as the second comming of Christ on a mother :#$$%%^^!: plane.
IT WILL CHANGE HOW WE THINK OF CUSTOMER FEEDBACK FOREVER
Sony.
Sony is going to be lucky if they are ever allowed to process credit cards again.
http://consumerist.com/2011/05/security-expert-sony-knew-its-software-was-obsolete-months-before-psn-breach.html
According to Spafford, security experts monitoring open Internet forums learned months ago that Sony was using outdated versions of the Apache Web server software, which "was unpatched and had no firewall installed." The issue was "reported in an open forum monitored by Sony employees" two to three months prior to the recent security breaches, said Spafford.
Definitely not PCI DSS compliant. :no:
Skullheadhq
05-06-2011, 18:02
..........Still not up.....THIS IS BULLHOCKEY!!!!
Perhaps tonight.
Prussian to the Iron
05-07-2011, 04:18
Nope :/
They say another attack on the network is already planned and hackers supposedly still have access to it, so that may explain why it's still not up.
It's really nice of those hackers to stand up for everybody's linux enjoyment on the PS3, no? Heroes of the people! :2thumbsup:
They say another attack on the network is already planned and hackers supposedly still have access to it, so that may explain why it's still not up.
It's really nice of those hackers to stand up for everybody's linux enjoyment on the PS3, no? Heroes of the people! :2thumbsup:
Well Linux functionality was really nice, so was the promised backward compability THE XBOX DOESN'T HAVE. But because it's Sony you get only a fraction of whatever WILL FOREVER CHANGE HOW WE THINK ABOUT whatever. Screw Sony, pity I need a playstation to play the best exclusives otherwise I would absolutely buy a 360.
Prussian to the Iron
05-07-2011, 13:00
Even though I do prefer PS3, I have to admit, Fragony, that Xbox exclusives as a whole are better. Gears of War, Halo, can't think of others ATM but they tend to be better, and American games. Whereas PS3 exclusives, with the huge exceptions of God of War, Killzone, and Demons Souls, tend to be crappy Japanese junk. Not that I dislike the japanese for anything, but the general kind of game produced by them tends to be more geared for anime fans, of which I gladly say I am not.
Even though I do prefer PS3, I have to admit, Fragony, that Xbox exclusives as a whole are better. Gears of War, Halo, can't think of others ATM but they tend to be better, and American games. Whereas PS3 exclusives, with the huge exceptions of God of War, Killzone, and Demons Souls, tend to be crappy Japanese junk. Not that I dislike the japanese for anything, but the general kind of game produced by them tends to be more geared for anime fans, of which I gladly say I am not.
Than why prefer the PS3 the 360 version is almost always better.Depends on what you like I guess, you just have a broader reach as the best xbox titles are playable on pc as well. These obscure Japanese titles are hit and miss, but they are all exclusive to ps3 because Sony owns these studio's. I would absolutely buy a ps3 for the upcomming Team Ico game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzHoMT5eRg (games you mention justify a purchage as well), but I don't need an xbox to play Halo or Gears
Skullheadhq
05-07-2011, 15:15
According to the PSN blog the relaunch will be even further delayed, on to the 3 weeks then *sigh*.
Also, Sony stocks fell with 6.75% since the outage, karma is a ***** I guess, I'm going to laugh at monday when stock markets around the world reopen.
Prussian to the Iron
05-07-2011, 18:29
Than why prefer the PS3 the 360 version is almost always better.Depends on what you like I guess, you just have a broader reach as the best xbox titles are playable on pc as well. These obscure Japanese titles are hit and miss, but they are all exclusive to ps3 because Sony owns these studio's. I would absolutely buy a ps3 for the upcomming Team Ico game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzHoMT5eRg (games you mention justify a purchage as well), but I don't need an xbox to play Halo or Gears
Gears 3 and Halo 3+onwards are xbox only. I actually have halo 1 and 2 on pc :P.
and i prefer ps3 because first, most of my friends play ps3.
second, graphics are better.
third, PSN is free.
fourth, the interface is (for me) simpler.
fifth, they dont seem as money-hungry as microsoft. MS points seem deceptive to me, whereas PSN money is 20 bucks for 20 bucks. so you know exactly how much youre paying, you dont have to pay with points for downloads while you dont know how much you're really spending.
johnhughthom
05-08-2011, 04:39
Even though I do prefer PS3, I have to admit, Fragony, that Xbox exclusives as a whole are better. Gears of War, Halo, can't think of others ATM but they tend to be better, and American games. Whereas PS3 exclusives, with the huge exceptions of God of War, Killzone, and Demons Souls, tend to be crappy Japanese junk. Not that I dislike the japanese for anything, but the general kind of game produced by them tends to be more geared for anime fans, of which I gladly say I am not.
Have you tried Valkyria Chronicles? Looks like crappy Japanese Anime junk, it's a fantastic game though.
Crazed Rabbit
05-08-2011, 17:14
So I don't think I'll ever let Sony have my personal info. It's like they didn't even care.
Also - MS points are designed to nickel and dime you, since you can (IIRC) only buy certain quantities of points, and not the exact quantity you need to purchase something.
CR
As far as sony knows, I live 1400 miles away...my cousin sucks anyways.
I prefer the playstation. I just dont like having to pay to play a game online, especially considering that first person shooters (the games I tend to play the most on consoles) nowadays are pretty much worthless without multiplayer. Exclusives? Bah. I like the japanese crap that everybody seems to hate and I have a computer.
Mailman653
05-09-2011, 15:19
Sony: PSN Could Be Down Until May 31 (http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/116/1166811p1.html)
Prussian to the Iron
05-09-2011, 20:00
Sony: PSN Could Be Down Until May 31 (http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/116/1166811p1.html)
Ok, I've been pretty tolerant up til now, but this is getting ridiculous. i dont really have any sanctions to use, seeing as i already have an xbox and pc, but i guess ill be stuck with the xbox for a while.
Skullheadhq
05-14-2011, 11:26
Someone one YouTube vowed to give away $10 PSN cards if PSN isn't up on the 14th, which is today.
Well could log in and do a system-upgrade, but because it's Sony it still doesn't work. Fail
Skullheadhq
05-15-2011, 09:48
Well could log in and do a system-upgrade, but because it's Sony it still doesn't work. Fail
It works in the US and Canada.
a completely inoffensive name
05-15-2011, 11:59
THE DROUGHT IS OVER!
Krusader
05-15-2011, 13:54
Lets hope the welcome back packages offer anything good.
*Off to turn on PS3*
Skullheadhq
05-15-2011, 14:19
No Krusader, Norway is not yet online.
Enjoy online play, ACIN.
Anyway, the rumors are that Europe and Japan will go online at 4:00 Dutch (and Norwegian) time.
PS: Krusader, shouldn't you be working on EBII instead? :whip:
Krusader
05-15-2011, 14:40
No Krusader, Norway is not yet online.
Enjoy online play, ACIN.
Anyway, the rumors are that Europe and Japan will go online at 4:00 Dutch (and Norwegian) time.
PS: Krusader, shouldn't you be working on EBII instead? :whip:
Yeah, noticed. :/
Will check later tonight.
And no, resigned last year.
Tellos Athenaios
05-15-2011, 20:25
But do stop by for one of the best unit conception threads yet. Alin/Tux has really surpassed himself. :yes:
Prussian to the Iron
05-16-2011, 01:04
its down.....AGAIN
johnhughthom
05-16-2011, 02:00
Working fine for me.
its down.....AGAIN
nananananaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaana
suffer with me out of solidarity
MUHAHAHA ha ha IT WORKS. Because it's Sony no free games spotted but yay
a completely inoffensive name
05-16-2011, 22:56
Enjoy online play, ACIN.
lol I don't have a PS3.
Skullheadhq
05-17-2011, 19:59
nananananaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaana
suffer with me out of solidarity
MUHAHAHA ha ha IT WORKS. Because it's Sony no free games spotted but yay
It will be once PS store is up. You can choose between LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank, Dead nation and something else. You get to choose 2.
Mailman653
05-18-2011, 18:20
Report: Exploit Allows Hackers to Reset PSN User Passwords (http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/116/1169020p1.html)
It will be once PS store is up. You can choose between LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank, Dead nation and something else. You get to choose 2.
Two launchtitles and a flashgame that's free on the pc, how very generous of them. That certainly CHANGES HOW WE THINK ABOUT A MEA CULPA FOREVER
gawd sony
edit, also Imfamous, that's a good game
Krusader
05-19-2011, 20:36
Two launchtitles and a flashgame that's free on the pc, how very generous of them. That certainly CHANGES HOW WE THINK ABOUT A MEA CULPA FOREVER
gawd sony
edit, also Imfamous, that's a good game
I'm actually surprised they offered these games. I was expecting Fat Princess and/or minis games.
But, was hoping for Uncharted 2 or God of War 3 at least.
Prussian to the Iron
05-19-2011, 21:05
hell i just want the store back up so i can download my crysis 2 stuff. probably wont even play the junk they give us.
If they're giving away Infamous for free, I'd highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't have it already. Definitely one of my best PS3 gaming experiences. Just remember to choose the evil path.... cuz good is dumb (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7XVcqZodAM). :yes:
I'll probably get Dead Nation, but I don't know what I'd take for my second freebie.... none of the others really interest me.
LittleBigPlanet of course, it's nevernding awesome. But you already own it. Don't you???(!)
seireikhaan
05-21-2011, 17:21
I actually have none of those games. LBP isn't really up my alley(I think), because its creativity based for getting longevity out of it. Might go with Infamous and that racing game, which looks pretty good.
I actually have none of those games. LBP isn't really up my alley(I think), because its creativity based for getting longevity out of it. Might go with Infamous and that racing game, which looks pretty good.
Never build any levels myself, perfectly happy playing other people's stuff, you wouldn't believe what these lunatics come up with.
LittleBigPlanet of course, it's nevernding awesome. But you already own it. Don't you???(!)Yep. Already own it and I'm not really into racers...
Crazed Rabbit
06-03-2011, 02:34
Sony gets hacked again. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/02/us-sony-idUSTRE74Q1EC20110602)
A hacker group has engineered yet another attack on the computer networks of Sony Corp, a setback to the Japanese company's efforts to move past a security crisis that erupted in April.
The group, which calls itself LulzSec, said on Thursday that it broke into servers that run Sony Pictures Entertainment websites, and then compromised the personal information of more than 1 million Sony customers.
Sony officials could not immediately be reached for comment.
It posted some of the data it accessed on the Web -- including the names, home and email addresses, and passwords of some customers. But said it did not have the resources to extract and publish all of what it collected.
"From a single injection, we accessed EVERYTHING," the hacking group said in the statement. "Why do you put such faith in a company that allows itself to become open to these simple attacks?"
CR
Prussian to the Iron
06-03-2011, 03:26
Sony gets hacked again. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/02/us-sony-idUSTRE74Q1EC20110602)
CR
Hmm. I would take this with a grain of salt. It's entirely possible that these dudes are just trying to fearmonger, trolling if you will. Perhaps trying to get another emergency shutdown for a non-existent security breach.
Greyblades
06-03-2011, 03:43
And interesting thing I found on the escapist about this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3350-Anonymous
a completely inoffensive name
06-03-2011, 04:32
And interesting thing I found on the escapist about this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3350-Anonymous
I lurk on Reddit.com and there seems to be a lot of older people that used to be part of the 4chan culture back before anyone even know what 4chan was. This is what one of them said in a comment responding to the video you just linked to.
The origins of Anonymous and the true nature of it are an amusing sort of thing.
For those who don't know, allow me to brandish my "oldfag".
Well before 4chan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan) existed, it was an amusing hacker lark to fire up the ol' DoS bots and overload certain websites with more traffic than they could handle. As servers got better handling this, one person with a handful of bots couldn't do take downs anymore and people serious about .. erh, let's just call it 'internet vandalism', formed into more cohesive groups of like minded individuals. Which was sort of a good thing, as the actual thieves stealing data lumped together in one area while the vandals taking down and occasionally rewriting websites huddled together in a different corner. Oh, and the software crackers and re-distributors generally sailed off on their own pirate ship. We're talking 56k days here, folks.
The evolution of a hacker is a bit like pokemon. Everyone, theoretically, starts off as a 'gray hat', the morally ambiguous area of packet sniffing and harmless DoS attacks. Once you get inside a system is where the chips fall.. if you get in and just peek around, it's still pretty gray. If you get in and then tell people about the break in and how to fix it, that's a white hat brownie point. Conversely, theft and outright destruction are black hat affairs. There's business models to being either a white or a black hat, but gray hats that stay gray hats are more often than not hobbyists (I'm not talking out of my ass, I did years of IT security in college).
In the early years of 4chan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan), there were organized 'Invasions'. This was characteristically gray hat vandalism, sometimes not even requiring any sort of 'hacking skill'. Script kiddies and normals were welcome to come along to things like Habbo Hotel, but legitimate invasions were where DDoS attacks and website vandalism came into play. Generally speaking, most of those attacks were harmless.. new files put up, existing material left on server. And before long, it became standard operating procedure to expose whatever interesting or embarrassing material a person or company might have had. This seems to be the root of "freedom of information" seeping out of the original "because it's funny" intent.
For those that don't know, Anonymous took off as a name and a face around the time V for Vendetta came out, as is apparent with the Guy Fawkes masks. Around the same time, Scientology was making stabs into the mainstream with more celebrity supporters as a swamp of murky information involving bullied former scientologists and the reports of the inner workings and beliefs of the 'religion'. It was a hot topic on 4chan and Scientology websites became a target for Invasion, pushing more information into the open. And then it bubbled over. 4channers organized actual protests in person, concealing their identities with the now ubiquitous Guy Fawkes mask (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes) as a sort of a "faceless champion of the people". They weren't just people standing around with signs, they were "Anonymous".
From there, it's gotten complicated. Although Invasion seemed okay sharing the fruits of their cyber-attacks with the public face of activist 4chan (Anonymous, circa 2007), dissent began as people began claiming openly to be part of anonymous on facebook and myspace, idiots without skills or any understanding of Invasion's nebulous moral code that were trying to steer the new herd of masked protesters into other social causes. Invasion vanished from the public face of 4chan, and the trend of showing up to protests in masks quickly became a tired fad in the eyes of the general 4chan population. Anonymous was essentially put in the closet.
Then, the evident offspring of Invasion resurfaced; the tenuous values of before still evident in Anonymous' new identity, that of mischievous but righteous hackers. And it's carried on to present day. There remains a cloister of individuals with IT security skills that are entirely willing to take down sites and services for a laugh, and publicly expose any incriminating data they find in the process.
As EC points out in the video, the Sony attack doesn't fit into Anonymous' MO. If they had done it, there would have been laughter and expose at precisely how lacks Sony's security actually was; replete with port numbers, platform versions and directories. And nothing would have been stolen. Compromised, maybe, but not stolen. Yet information clearly as stolen, and in some cases used for identity theft. And in the end, that Sony claims to have found a note saying Anonymous did it; before Anonymous themselves would claim it? Ridiculous.
Given their track record, Anonymous' hacker activities have been quite explicit in claiming credit for any significant outage or information reveal. What this video highlights is a problem Anonymous now faces; they've become too famous by name alone without outlining their cause. People are idiots. They don't understand "because it's funny". Exposing security flaws is funny, but disabling a popular service is not. Exposing secrets which affect the public is funny, divulging the names of everyone subscribed '2HotTrannies.com' is not.
What Anonymous does, is humiliate organizations whose actions could cause problems for the world at large (particularly internet users), it doesn't strike out against individuals (unless they're -really- asking for it) and even then, the intent is humiliation and laughter. It's schadenfreude. And the PSN network doesn't fit into that category.
So more likely than not, it isn't the "Anon" that we think of.
Store is up again, because it's Sony the promised games are nowhere to be found
Krusader
06-03-2011, 11:50
Store is up again, because it's Sony the promised games are nowhere to be found
Noticed it. Wonder when it will be up. Will pick Infamous and dont know if other will be Dead Nation or Wipeout HD/Fury. Already got Little Big Planet and Ratchet & Clank is supposed to be only four hours worth of content.
Though downloaded Burnout Paradise and new Magic game for free since I got Plus sub and a buttload of demos, including Duke Nukem Forever. Gonna test em later.
Seems like they changed their mind about a month free PSN-plus as well. Get Imfamous should a miracle happens and Sony keeps their word, excellent game
Skullheadhq
06-03-2011, 15:29
Anyone up for a game of FIFA 11?
Still waiting for LittleBigPlanet and InFamous. It will probably be a few more days, so they can be heroes on the E3.
Krusader
06-05-2011, 14:43
Welcome Back is here now.
Picked up Infamous and since I've never been so much a zombie-fan, Wipeout HD/Fury.
Prussian to the Iron
06-05-2011, 16:32
ill download LBP and infamous probably. but i have to do it during school because the download is over 400 minutes!
slysnake
06-06-2011, 09:45
You know, is this not all just a massive wake-up call for Sony? You could say it is their fault they got hacked, since the store almost all of their users' information unencrypted, so once someone finds that information, they have no trouble actually accessing it. You could also say they have made many more enemies in the past months, especially with their affairs with 'George Hotz', the guy who put linux on his PS3 and told other people viewing his blog how to do it to their own PS3's. Had they not taken such a hardline approach with this talented young man, none of this would have happened....
You know, is this not all just a massive wake-up call for Sony? You could say it is their fault they got hacked, since the store almost all of their users' information unencrypted, so once someone finds that information, they have no trouble actually accessing it. You could also say they have made many more enemies in the past months, especially with their affairs with 'George Hotz', the guy who put linux on his PS3 and told other people viewing his blog how to do it to their own PS3's. Had they not taken such a hardline approach with this talented young man, none of this would have happened....
Scrapping Linux functionality was stupid, should have turned into a selling point. Airtraffic-control used a cluster of PS3's because of the raw processing power, how can you NOT see the marketing-potential? 'It only does everything' is their slogan ffs. But no Sony just scrapped Linux
slysnake
06-06-2011, 15:54
I know, it's a real shame Sony took such a hard-line approach to it. The Sony is an amazingly powerful machine, and, what puzzles me more is why the choose to prosecute these people when Microsoft just doesn't care a damn if people flash their xbox 360's! If they are worrid about people pirating games, the people who do that on consoles is a very small minority, since it is actually incredibly hard to 'hack' a console, hence why it took poor old George Hotz to finaly do it. Sony needs to quit being so paranoid, encrypt their data and passwords, and start producing some decent games like they used to! :)
Tellos Athenaios
06-06-2011, 17:06
Scrapping Linux functionality was stupid, should have turned into a selling point. Airtraffic-control used a cluster of PS3's because of the raw processing power, how can you NOT see the marketing-potential? 'It only does everything' is their slogan ffs. But no Sony just scrapped Linux
To Sony it wasn't. To Sony the consoles are an investment up front, an investment in software sales. It took about 18 months to get to the break even point (and similar applies to the Xbox 360). So to them if you use your hardware to run whatever software you like is a direct loss of sales: they do not want any competition in the distribution of software, because that is where they make their money. In other words, shutting down a few enthusiasts and taking an upfront PR loss is worth it to prevent a more open software market from emerging around the PS (which would cut into the PSN profits).
It is a similar story with the Apple appstores: Apple is able to extract a hefty revenue from being the one & only software retailer you can go to on the iPhones.
Sony's mistake was having OtherOS in the first place. You can't offer this, and then take it away. I understand the strategic thinking behind the move, since offering Linux from the start kept the smart hackers from trying to crack the box day 1, but taking away existing functionality will both double the effort to get it back and tick off people in the process.
The PS3 was profitable when they scrapped OtherOS, so it's removal was pointless. Just one more item to the long list of ways Sony screws over it's paying customers.
slysnake
06-06-2011, 17:44
"In other words, shutting down a few enthusiasts and taking an upfront PR loss is worth it to prevent a more open software market from emerging around the PS"
Surely would they not have been better not to prevent third-party software going on the PS3, since the enemies they have now made are unlikely going to stop anytime soon, at at least, until Sony makes an effort to prevent another break-in by a bunch of 12 year old :)
Tellos Athenaios
06-06-2011, 17:54
Surely would they not have been better not to prevent third-party software going on the PS3, since the enemies they have now made are unlikely going to stop anytime soon, at at least, until Sony makes an effort to prevent another break-in by a bunch of 12 year old :)
The point is that they have, so far, successfully asserted their one & only software retailer position on the PS. They could not care less about a 12 year old hacking his own PS, they care however about the legal precedent should a company start to market their own type of OS/PSN on the thing. They want to head that off before it gets started properly, hence their bullish attitude.
@drone: I suppose OtherOS functionality was/is needed for testing/development on the PS. For instance if the original OS was rendered inoperable, you could use OtherOS to chroot into the former one and repair the damage. It simply wasn't removed for much the same reason various games weren't removed from old versions of Microsoft Excel.
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