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Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans.

Today we are proud to present our third and last preview of the Boii, the oldest of all Celtic peoples in Europa Barbarorum.

In this preview's history section, we will show the full description of one of the Boii provinces, and just part of the description of their homeland, Boiotergion. In addition, we will show you some interesting facts regarding the Boii relationship with northern Italy, pertaining their common artwork.

In the unit section, we will show three new units: the Gargokladioi or "Fierce swords", freemen that along with the Uisusparos Kingetoi form the bulk of the Boii battleline; the Mogeto Epathias or "Mighty knights", heavy celtic cavalry and bodyguards of the Boiorix; and the dreaded Gaisatoi or "Spearmen", Gallic mercenaries that sell their famed swords to the Boiorix.

Enjoy!



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The Provinces

Herkunion


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Introduction:
In early spring, over-burdened jacks descend miles, a train far beyond the alpine track, and well onto broad plains drained by the gentle flow, the Thracians name after their god; Istros. Where otherwise the Celts call this watercourse Dānu. Here the traveler baths before crossing over to the northern bank, much like the ancient Volcae. Not far beyond this watercourse the verge gives way to the tallest, deepest, and darkest weald in all of Europa. The natives know this wooded realm as Hercynian, Orkýnian or the 'great Oak Forest.' It is from this primeval and awe inspiring timberland that the province of Herkunion takes a name. Its said that when Rome was young, with great numbers and a want for new land the Volcae seized, took root in it's fertile loam, and raised up the Textosages as the mighty oak; to tower over this place. They were a powerful and honorable nation, practiced by the rule of law and well-schooled in the deadly arts of war. As well, they were accustomed to the benefits derived from commercial enterprise; the reason travelers seek out their towns men, to trade for cattle and for gold. Above all else they trade for amber; glassy tears the gods once wept in joy. Yet, time's fullness, untold deprivation, dearth, and primitive durabilities shaped this rustic nation, so those who once crossed over water to rule, have now been mastered by the very soil they claimed for hearth and home.

Geography:
Herkunion roughly corresponds to historic extent of lower Bavaria and western Bohemia of the Czech Republic. This province is bounded on the south by the Danube and drained by the southward flowing Naab, Waldnaab, Vils, and Regen rivers. The dominate geographic features are the upper Elbe and Gäuboden Lowlands; as well as the Franconian, Bavarian, and Bohemian Uplands. Overall, these features define two discrete geographic zones; river basins and mountainous uplands. The vegetation is largely related to these major geomorphology settings, whereas the river basin is dominated by grassland and small relatively isolated deciduous forests. In contrast, the densely wooded upland area collectively known as the Hercynian Forest includes mixed deciduous and conifer forests. Herkunion has a somewhat mild climate with precipitation somewhat evenly distributed. However, spring and fall are somewhat short, the summers typically range from mild to warm, and the winters are normally cold.

Social and Political Organization:
The social and political organization of Herkunion is characterized as a system of tribal chiefdoms associated with but not tied to the Boii Confederation. They represent hierarchal societies that displayed clear evidence of stratification. As a multilayered ethnicity these communities seem to have shared a somewhat common set of legal, religious, and militaristic customs. Overall, these tribes were informally administered by an ill-define religious cast and ruled by an assembly of the nobles, which represent descendant from a powerful equestrian class.

Proto-History:
Because of archaeological survey and excavation the culture or proto-history of the Herkunion region is understood to some extent. In the 10th century BC with the Hallstatt culture appears to have been well established throughout the Upper Danube; extending north into lower Bavaria. This archaeological construct was characterized by communities associated with the late Middle Bronze Age Tumulus culture that was overlain by a local version of the pervasive Late Bronze Age Urnfield culture. In this context the Hallstatt culture represented a metallurgical tradition, centered within the upper Rhine and Danube drainages, and an extensive regional exchange network. This expression was based on agriculture and was characterized by a range of small settlements together with extensive cremation cemeteries; crowned by large fortified towns that served as regional centers. Referred to as oppidum, the two best examples can be found at Alkimoennis in Germany and Rēdiodūnon in the Czech Republic. Both were established as regional centers in the 6th century BC and continued into the late Latent period.

The Alkimoennis oppidum near Kelheim is situated on a limestone plateau called Michelsberg, which jets out between the Danube and Altmühl rivers. This oppidum is located within an important iron mining and manufacturing district in lower Bavaria. Although established in the 6th century BC major fortifications that eventually enclose an area of 630 ha, were not constructed until the 2nd century. These mounded timber, limestone and earthen walls extend about 10 Km, were 11 m wide and 2 m high and also included an interior Acropolis that covered about 60 ha. Numerous Late Bronze and Early Iron age tumulus cemeteries have been found near Alkimoennis. Based on the associated funerary assemblages which include elaborately decorated urns and bronze figurines, such as the Steer of Michelsberg, these burials appear to represent the local ruling elite. A number of bronze and silver locally made coins have been recovered, along with a mold from which blanks were cast. The Stradonice site in western Bohemia, located on a tall hill called Hradiste, situated between the Berounkou River and Habrovým Creek, appears to be the historic Rēdiodūnon oppidum. The fortified area encompasses an area of about 90 ha and is subdivided into several large residential and open areas and an Acropolis, located on the hill top, in the southwestern part of settlement.

There is little doubt that the late Hallstatt followed by the Latene regional centers, general material culture and the persistent use of Celtic placenames indicate the formation of Volcae tribes in lower Bavaria, Bohemia, and Moravia in the latter half of the 1st millennium BC. However, in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, Caesar relates a tradition that the 'Volcae Tectosages crossed over, seized those parts of Germania around the Hercynian Forest that were the most fruitful, and settled there.' This seems to correspond to Livy’s account that Segovesus, the apparent leader of the Volcae, established a Celtic state within the western part of the Hercynian Forest in the early 6th century BC. Furthermore, Livy and Strabo tell us that Volcae was used only as a generic term that denoted an eastern Celtic or Noric ethnicity, while the large polity centered on Bohemia was known as the Boii, a large tripartite confederation controlled by the Arecomici, Tectosages, and Tolistoes tribes. Although these Celtic chiefdoms continued unabated, the upper Danube and Bohemia became the epicenter for widespread demographic disruptions that resulted in series of large-scale migrations into southern Gaul, northern Italy, southwest Poland, the Middle Elbe basin, and the Balkans and other points beyond.

For example subtribes of the Arecomici are found in southern Gual, the Tectosages in southern Gaul and Anatolia, and the Boii appear in northern Italy and Anatolia. Cornacates, Belgites, and Celegeri initially seem to have been minor septs of the Boii that due to eastern expansion later joined with Illyrian, Thracian, and Dacian communities to form the powerful Scordisci confederation in the lower Danube basin. Other relatively minor Volcae tribes that expanded east included the Arabiates, Eravisci, Teurisci, and Anartes. In contrast, the Gaesatae appear to have been a Volcae warrior class or society centered on the region that included the upper Rhone and Danube. Composed of young landless aristocratic men, this military organization transcended normative tribal affiliations, and seems to have been used in a fashion similar to that the medieval Irish Fianna. Nonetheless, these territorial annexations soon drew the Volcae tribes into direct conflicts with the increasing authority of Hellenistic powers and the Roman state. Therefore, the tide of Volcae expansion was stemmed within a decade following the three-day battle at Telamon in 225 BC, while eastern Celtic culture experienced a rapid and irreversible decline and collapse after the disastrous Cimbric migration fell upon this region in 114 BC. Due to deteriorating environmental and economic conditions and the increasing military pressure posed by a growing Swabian tread in the lower Elbe basin, nearly all of the major oppida north of the Danube were abandoned by 40 BC. Finally, the migration of the Swabian Marcomanni into the upper Elbe river basin marks the effective disintegrated of the Boii confederation in Bohemia and lower Bavaria.

Strategy:
Herkunion was an important agricultural, mining, and manufacturing district that controlled secondary trade routes that connected the upper Danube basin to the lower Elbe region. This province was also a critical hub of the Latene culture and represented the western extent of Boii tribal homeland. For the Boii faction to exert hegemony over continental Europe, control of this province is indeed impetrative, while its domination by the opposition will no doubt reduce the Volcae to a state of vassalage.

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Celtic Art in the Fourth Century: Influences from the Po Valley

The development of Celtic art styles in the fourth century BC have been variously characterized. Earlier attempts used the rich 'princess's' grave from Waldalgesheim, near Bonn, as a type assemblage against which to compare fourth-century products, and some observers even went so far as to propose a 'Waldalgesheim master'. Others have been content with a less constricting terminology, referring to the development as an Early Free Style. However, the more descriptive phrase, Vegetal Style, best captures the principal and distinctive characteristics of the products of the period, since the overriding motif is the running tendril or linked band of lyre-palmettes. Animals and human heads recede into the background. They do not entirely disappear but rather lurk in the vegetation, from which, disguised, they occasionally peer out.

The centre of innovation is no longer the Rhine-Moselle region but the Marne, Switzerland, Hungary, and the Po Valley, and it is the relationship of the last with the broad northern zone that raises interesting questions. It is now widely believed that the Celtic groups in the Cisalpine region, notably the Boii and the Senones, were responsible for integrating Graeco-Italic ideas with Celtic and transmitting the result back to the innovating centres north of the Alps. This interpretation would imply that close social links were maintained between the Celts who had emigrated to the south and those who remained in their northern homelands.

(Extract from Cunliffe, The Ancient Celts.)


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The Warriors

Gargokladioi

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(Gar-go-klad-e-oy. ‘Fierce Swords’). Called upon when war looms, the Gargokladioi answer most readily. Hailing from all over the Celtic Europe, these are free members of the tribe or state who choose to follow the path of the warrior. They wield swords that they have typically won in single combat, or taken from a better equipped fallen foe as few are truly wealthy enough to have one made themselves. While some hire themselves out for pay, others honestly fight to protect their own, with the prospects of gaining fame and riches for themselves in the process. They strike first with the javelin, and then charge in with swords leading the way. A staple warrior in any Celtic army or raiding force, these swordsmen earn their worth by having the martial skill and morale to remain in combat for great length of time against similarly armed opponents. They are dependable, swift warriors that are welcomed by any general.

Historically, the swordsman in a Celtic army was not the most common opponent one would face in the Celtic world. To date more spears have been found in Iron Age warrior burials, yet the sword can certainly be seen as a status weapon of sorts that successful, or wealthy warriors, would keep with them. The sword would have been used as a secondary weapon if one had a spear or a clutch of javelins to throw. Still, this weapon must have carried much significance in warfare and to those that were fortunate enough to possess one. One such Gaulish word for ‘sword’, klad-, could possibly have given rise to the word gladius.


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Mogeto Epathias

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(Mo-get-oy Ey-pat-hi-as, 'Mighty Knights'). The nobility of the Celtic lands often chose to go mounted after the chariot declined as the main vehicle of nobility when going to war. The Mogeto Epathias are an Eastern Celtic version of the Gallic Donno Eporedoi, and are just as deadly. They come to battle with spears for the charge and swords for melee. Their armor is hardened leather for protection, and in later eras they are seen with suit of chainmail and increasingly longer slashing swords unique to Celtic cavalry. Helmets include Montefortino helmets, Agen Port helmets for the later periods, and hardened leather types. Portions of their panoply are unique to the eastern areas of Europe where the Celts held sway and settled, such as their Vegetal (or Waldalgesheim) Style scabbards that are among the most ornate and detailed scabbards in the Iron Age. All together cavalry is a staple of Celtic warfare and none can be seen to have such a glorious and prestigious reputation as these cavalrymen. Their morale is second to none and given that they stand to lose the most in the event of a defeat, are highly motivated. First on and last off the field, they leave a lasting impression on the few who survive an encounter with them.

Historically, these men were from the uppermost level of Celtic society, being powerful and very rich they could afford the finest things in life. While they wore gold torcs, bracelets, rich clothes and other finery they were certainly not decadent fools, their position was gained by and maintained only through years of constant vigilance and military prowess, something they honed through daily training. Given the time taken to rise to such a level, most were middle aged men in the prime of life but toughened from the many challenges they have faced, this made them less reckless or eager for glory than the younger warriors and a formidable foe. To bolster their authority and protect themselves in battle they would maintain a retinue of vassals and clients, such as the famed Solduroi of the Aquitanians, , the Kombaragoues, and others who they would pay to equip from their own pockets. It was the expansion of this vassalage system that lead to the formation of the well armed professional armies of the late Celtic era and the decline of the freeman class.


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Gaisatoi

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(Gaisatoi, 'Those of the Javelin'). The Gaisatoi are great shock unit intended to lead an attack, as well as experienced crack infantry excelling in skill and performance. Due to their ritual nudity, they strike fear into the hearts of the enemies unaccustomed to their brazen display. Though true professional warriors would master many weapons and fight styles, the Gaisatoi are most renown for their skill with the spear and are foremost masters of the heavy javelin. Many of them fight naked in battle as they are certain that their gods of war are watching and protecting them from above. Should they fall in glorious battle, then they will resume their fighting and enjoy feasting into the afterlife alongside their comrades. Richly equipped through successful wars and many battles, the Gaisatoi are professionals in every sense of the word, and led by their own kings, they constitute some of the most feared warriors to be found in Gaul.

Historically, the Gaisatoi are somewhat of an enigma concerning the true spelling of their name. In Latin they are called Gaesatae, and Polyibios stated that their name referred to them as mercenaries. However, etymology in Gaulish is a different matter. The Gallic prefix gaiso- is most often identified with javelins, while words like lancia, most often equate with the lance and spear. The gaison is the probable ancestor of the Roman pilum, with the gaison likely being a heavier javelin intended for maximum damage to enemy formations and men. Due to Lain spelling and what is known of Gaulish, likely versions of their name could include Gaesatoi, Gaisateis or Gaisatis, either one conveying the same overall meaning. In battle the Gaesatae are know most famously from their victory the Romans at Faesulae, where they were not mentioned as being naked and were probably clothed, and their great defeat at Telemon where the terrain features forced them to disrobe, both in 225 B.C.


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In case you haven't done so already, show your support for Europa Barbarorum in style with these three new signature banners, featuring the mighty Boii! Courtesy of Gustave.


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We hope you have enjoyed this third preview of our new Boii faction in Europa Barbarorum II.

Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures, names, descriptions and particularly animations shown in our previews are works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and we will continue to do so long after our initial release.

Since some areas where these news items are posted cannot handle wide images, we appreciate your restraint from quoting full-size images.

As always, if you have questions or comments, the best place to post them is here, where the EB team is most active:

Europa Barbarorum ORG forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=70)

Europa Barbarorum TWC forum (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31)

A special thanks to cmacq for the province description, Tux and JMRC for their excellent models and renders, Gustave for his wonderful unit skins and artwork and screenshots, Power2the1 for the unit descriptions, and to Power2the1, Oudysseos, Paullus, cmacq and Anthony for the historical info and text work.

Have a great day
The Europa Barbarorum team.

Cadwalader
04-24-2011, 13:47
Just can't get enough of this reconstructed Gaulish! You think of everything.

BTW, nice job on the "gaisas". :clown:

Ca Putt
04-24-2011, 13:48
WOA have to play Boii!!!!

:)

now that is what I call an easter gift thank you!^^

DAMN I thought I was first :D

Power2the1
04-24-2011, 13:49
Yay it's up!

Aneximanes
04-24-2011, 13:55
Wow!

They are such an interesting faction. I'm going to re-read the other previews again :)

"knowN most famously from their victory OVER the Romans at Faesul" <-- ;)

You guys are doing such an amazing Job, the previews themselves are a joy to read, cant wait to actually play this masterpiece!

Cheers!

stratigos vasilios
04-24-2011, 14:33
Wow. I had no idea another preview was coming so soon, awesome work EB team! I thought we were awhile away from one, I'm so glad you proved me wrong. As always outstanding work, loving the Mogeto Epathias in action shots!

antisocialmunky
04-24-2011, 14:54
Awesome!

I wonder if there can be mixed pants/no pants.

stratigos vasilios
04-24-2011, 15:25
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Did they hold their shields like that normally or is that some minor animation issue that will eventually be fixed? They look awesome though.

JMRC
04-24-2011, 15:41
These shields have the handholds transversal to the shield length, so when applying the animations, this is the result. We have 2 choices to solve this: copy and change several dozen javelinman, swordsman, spearman and overhand spearman animations, to twist the hand and so have a different look ingame or change the handholds positioning relative to the shield length. For now we have a middle-ground decision: keep the handhold as it should and when we have time, do the anim changes.

Populus Romanus
04-24-2011, 18:08
HOLY CRAP! YEAH! I have to go to easter mass though now...SCREW YOU!

Tanit
04-24-2011, 19:06
Been there, done that.

fightermedic
04-24-2011, 19:35
nice to see my homecountry featured :D
good work as always

btw the tree image is really fitting.. the area i grew up is not by accident called "woodland" by the lokals :D

btw2 i have been hiking not to far away of that Alkimoennis oppidum just today, the Altmühl-valley really is a beauty!

Skullheadhq
04-24-2011, 19:44
I have been checking the EBII forums for months for a new preview, and almost got an heart attack upon seeing this. Thank you, EB team! The units look great!

Arjos
04-24-2011, 19:47
Definitely starting the first campaign as the Boii ^^
The province descriptions will add so much to the experience, nicely done!
But what's the deal with Gaisatoi and bracae? Just joking...

Noble Wrath
04-24-2011, 20:06
Yet more quality material. Contrary to the widespread idea in my country (Greece) that anyone north of Pella at that time lived in caves and ate raw meat and berries, here is a world of furious colourful warriors, of master smiths, of whiteclad druids in misty sacred groves, of poets, of cunning merchants and ruthless nobles. Too bad that history is written by the victors.

I know it's not going to happen, but I would like to see a battle between Gaisatoi and Amazons. :2thumbsup:

Horatius Flaccus
04-24-2011, 20:41
Great conclusion of the Boii previews!

anubis88
04-24-2011, 23:12
:thumbsup:

Unintended BM
04-25-2011, 01:23
Nice job!

teoman10
04-25-2011, 03:48
This was a great and long awaited preview. Thank you Europa barbarorum 2 team.

But i did notice that i did not see any Gaisatoi wielding swords. Does this mean that the Gaisatoi will not have any swords in the battles, or is it just some weapon stuff?
Of course i will respect any descision that the team would make regarding this, as i have no historical sources as to what weapons they used, or what weapons it would be most accurate to portray them with.

I did however think that the Gaisatoi in EB1 looked awesome with swords though. But as i may have stated i would enjoy them better if they are historically accurate than if they follow some personal preferences.

Khazar_Dahvos
04-25-2011, 06:24
i was wondering the same thing about the gaisatoi!!!

stratigos vasilios
04-25-2011, 08:39
Though true professional warriors would master many weapons and fight styles, the Gaisatoi are most renown for their skill with the spear and are foremost masters of the heavy javelin.

Aren't they primarily javelin throwers? The sword will likely appear as their second weapon?

Arjos
04-25-2011, 08:58
Pretty sure they will have heavy javelins and a spear, the description clearly says so...

Power2the1
04-25-2011, 10:23
Gaulish seems to favor the word gaiso- as being a spear of some kind, and we know that this weapon could be thrown, yet some equate it with a javelin, (probably a heavy javelin unlike 'standard' light javelins) since Gaulish also notes the prefix gab- and gabal- as solely meaning javelin and not spear, a clear distinction.

gaiso-: Spear, throwing spear, or (heavy) javelin
gab-/gabal-: javelin only

Therefore having the Gaisatoi with both a spear and heavy javelins is for lingual reasons so that their name applies to the most accurate/closest type of weaponry that could carry their namesake. Of course, at Fesulae and Telamon some probably had swords too, and if we could have 3 weapons in MTW2, a sword would be a shoe-in no doubt.

moonburn
04-25-2011, 16:11
nice work but will they have the po valley as homeland aswell from the start ?

bobbin
04-25-2011, 16:18
No.

Paltmull
04-25-2011, 17:21
Nice work!

RawPower
04-25-2011, 20:16
Thanks for preview, looking great!

Khazar_Dahvos
04-26-2011, 00:05
ahh well thats to bad about the Gaisatoi ... but for historical accuracy thats ok, on a side note somebody can always make a mini mod with them having swords so i am not to worried!!!! they were my favorate unit in EB1 and it will take some getting used to them having spears. Great job team on the preview !!!

nazgool
04-26-2011, 00:13
Great job as always, especially Mogeto Epathias. I've also noticed something new for me.
Who are these warriors in the left side of this picture? :) https://img841.imageshack.us/i/27572660.jpg/.

WinsingtonIII
04-26-2011, 01:16
Great job to everyone involved!

It's going to take forever to scroll down through that province description in-game :laugh4:

Power2the1
04-26-2011, 06:32
Great job as always, especially Mogeto Epathias. I've also noticed something new for me.
Who are these warriors in the left side of this picture? :) https://img841.imageshack.us/i/27572660.jpg/.

That unit will be previewed sometime in the future :yes:

Gustave
04-26-2011, 13:39
More pics of Boii units in action. Note that all those units have been previewed before, but some of them have been reskinned.

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stratigos vasilios
04-26-2011, 15:18
Awesome shots! I particularly like the second and sixth from the bottom.

The Spartathenian of Corinth
04-27-2011, 02:38
These guys look great! But, will there be a modesty patch?

nazgool
04-27-2011, 12:54
Very beautiful screens. I've noticed that on some of them there are Getai units. Could you publish more screenshots of them?:). I know that the last two previews of Getai include plenty of them but the screen above have better quality :).

Mr. Stuka
04-27-2011, 17:03
Awesome screenies. Ohhhh goodness, why doth you tempt so?

Tyrfingr
04-27-2011, 20:55
Man, those naked guys look really intimidating! Imagine being a roman or greek soldier on the line, being charged by crazy naked guys...dammit!

Gustave
04-27-2011, 21:17
It wasn't mentioned in the preview, but I think it's interesting to say nevertheless : the gaisatoi in EB2 will have only 1 HP, and thus won't be the ultimate naked tanks they used to be in EB1. They will be still quite powerful, though, but now arrows and javelins really hurt them.

Populus Romanus
04-27-2011, 22:06
THANK GOD! :bow: There are probably only two things one could criticize EB's historicity about, the first must be lost to history and will never be known by all but those who were there, and the second is the Gaesatae superhumans, like the vannila bezerkers. Now all we need is a time machine and EBII will be perfect.:smart:

teoman10
04-27-2011, 22:06
It wasn't mentioned in the preview, but I think it's interesting to say nevertheless : the gaisatoi in EB2 will have only 1 HP, and thus won't be the ultimate naked tanks they used to be in EB1. They will be still quite powerful, though, but now arrows and javelins really hurt them.

Quite interesting. Does this mean that these guys will not be chemical imbibing people, but instead just awesome spearmen? I ask this because in the EB1 description it seems like it was the chemicals which made them "seemingly impervious to pain" and then have 2 hps. It did not say anything about it in the preview, but i guess that those chemicals where some sort of +1 hp potion or something :D

The question is. Will the gaisatoi in EB2 not be using drugs due to the hp reduction, or would it just be unreallistic that they have 2 hp anyways?

Power2the1
04-27-2011, 23:31
Quite interesting. Does this mean that these guys will not be chemical imbibing people, but instead just awesome spearmen? I ask this because in the EB1 description it seems like it was the chemicals which made them "seemingly impervious to pain" and then have 2 hps. It did not say anything about it in the preview, but i guess that those chemicals where some sort of +1 hp potion or something :D

The question is. Will the gaisatoi in EB2 not be using drugs due to the hp reduction, or would it just be unreallistic that they have 2 hp anyways?

Well, the chance that the entire group took drugs before battle is virtually nonexistent - that being said the berserk 'ethos' in Iron Age Europe among the Celtic and Germanic tribes is without a doubt real. Therefore in EB2 there's no Gaisatoi=drug connection, just professional warriors doing their job. A Celtic berserk/fanatic unit has been conceptualized, and if there was to be any ritualistic drug use/smoke inhalation/mushroom eating warriors of what have you, it would probably be among them and not the Gaisatoi but, of course, the majority of these guys would work themselves into a frenzy naturally through rhythmic chants and things like that, not mass drug use. So the drug connection in EB is severed almost completely, allowing only a small minority within a unit to be given the small chance that some of their number might be under such influences. 1 hit point for all though.

Khazar_Dahvos
04-27-2011, 23:39
very good to hear!!! If not for the one hp the Gaisatoi would of been anti cavalry killing machines with their spears and 2hp!!!!

Arjos
04-28-2011, 01:05
That sounds all right, afterall they were referred to as mercenaries, doubt every community would be glad to hire drugged fanatics, if so we need to get our hands on that recipie XD

BigJohn
04-28-2011, 18:56
Well, the chance that the entire group took drugs before battle is virtually nonexistent - that being said the berserk 'ethos' in Iron Age Europe among the Celtic and Germanic tribes is without a doubt real. Therefore in EB2 there's no Gaisatoi=drug connection, just professional warriors doing their job. A Celtic berserk/fanatic unit has been conceptualized, and if there was to be any ritualistic drug use/smoke inhalation/mushroom eating warriors of what have you, it would probably be among them and not the Gaisatoi but, of course, the majority of these guys would work themselves into a frenzy naturally through rhythmic chants and things like that, not mass drug use. So the drug connection in EB is severed almost completely, allowing only a small minority within a unit to be given the small chance that some of their number might be under such influences. 1 hit point for all though.

Sounds great!

I do have one question though, will the EB1 Uirodusios be present ingame, and if so will they merely be a less professional Gaisatoi?
As a pleasant sidenote, a Celtic berserker unit sounds awsome!

Gustave
04-28-2011, 19:06
Sounds great!

I do have one question though, will the EB1 Uirodusios be present ingame, and if so will they merely be a less professional Gaisatoi?
As a pleasant sidenote, a Celtic berserker unit sounds awsome!

Yes they will. Probably not in first release though.

BigJohn
04-28-2011, 19:22
Thanks for the quick reply Gustave, everything looks amazing!

Cadwalader
04-28-2011, 19:24
I will be going to Bohemia this summer. Is the Stradonice site worth seeing? I'll be in Southern Bohemia, but I think I can get there fairly easily.

Another thing, just since you're implementing new unit names and spelling, I always wondered why the r's are pronounced as alveolar approximants ("English" r) in your Celtic commands. Is there some sort of evidence for this, or is it because it might as well have been how they pronounced their r's?

Power2the1
04-28-2011, 22:27
With the commands in EB1, the Celtic guy(s) in charge of the words and pronuciations are not around anymore, so we're not for sure how accurate the commands are/were. EB2 will most likely have a whole set of different commands eventually.

Tellos Athenaios
04-28-2011, 23:09
Another thing to note is that pronunciation tends to have a bias towards whatever the limits of the native language of the speaker. Take ancient Greek for example: a French person will have difficulty with the Greek phi, an Englishman won't know what to do with an upsilon, a Japanese will struggle with the rho and a Greek will mess up in other ways since the alphabet simply doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to him...

BigJohn
04-29-2011, 03:22
So, I guess we can expect that the EB1 Gaesatae's godly morale of 22 will be given to this "berserk/fanatic" unit, and the gaisatoi will retain 17 or 18?

moonburn
04-29-2011, 04:19
with the gaesatae diference from eb1 it seems they´re only slighty better uirodusius so maybe combine them into 1 single unit and give gaesatae a few more chevrons :? makes sence to me unleass you´ll use gaesatae as dressed up elite units (i´ve always defended that the gaesatae are a kind of monk warriors wich had many diferent fighting styles and that naked one was just one of them )

Cadwalader
04-29-2011, 15:52
Another thing to note is that pronunciation tends to have a bias towards whatever the limits of the native language of the speaker. Take ancient Greek for example: a French person will have difficulty with the Greek phi, an Englishman won't know what to do with an upsilon, a Japanese will struggle with the rho and a Greek will mess up in other ways since the alphabet simply doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to him...

Yea, I was wondering if the lines had been read by an English-speaker.
To me it would seem like a trill or flap would be more natural, but I'm no linguist.

LusitanianWolf
05-03-2011, 16:29
Well, I think I've been lurking for too long and its time to show some apreciation to the great EB team (While I rarely post here I've been around since EB 0.9 and check this forums and the twitter almost daily).
Atonishing work (as we can always expect from the EB team :P) Can't wait to see the new and reworked factions in action and what else do you have in the sleeve!
But I must wait, since perfection is the soul of EB and perfection takes time. But it worths it :medievalcheers:

Also, the information in the previews (as surelly will be ingame's) is perfect to those who, like me are very interested in classic story but due to many other interests and ocupations can't spend much time investigating it. Eagerly waiting to see the new material in the Lusos (and other iberians) cause even for a Portuguese isnt so easy to get much knowlage on them, thanks EB for filling that void :balloon2:

moonburn
05-03-2011, 17:42
will the boii forçe for diferent requirements in the celtik reforms and will the arevaci be counted as kelts ?

Ludens
05-03-2011, 18:37
will the boii forçe for diferent requirements in the celtik reforms and will the arevaci be counted as kelts ?

I am sorry, but what do you mean by "counted as Celts"? Recruitment in EB2 will not resemble that of EB1, so doubtlessly the reforms will be very different too.

TheLastDays
05-03-2011, 18:59
Did I miss something? Are the Arevaci confirmed?

Rahwana
05-03-2011, 19:29
That sounds all right, afterall they were referred to as mercenaries, doubt every community would be glad to hire drugged fanatics, if so we need to get our hands on that recipie XD

Hannibaal :grin:

BTW, Gaisatoi with 1 HP? duh, for historical accuracy, this is good, but in gameplay terms, we all lost our ol' favourite nudist monster :clown:

Arjos
05-04-2011, 04:59
Hannibaal :grin:

I was saying that in reality, most likely they were highly prized warriors due to they professionality and elan due to religious beliefs...

Anyway moving on, I've read recently about a "coral trading route" from Naples to central Europe, would this be implemented similar to the amber one?

Phalanx300
05-11-2011, 18:15
Nice! Didn't notice this preview before.

A thing I like from the pictures is that in some you see them holding javs but in others not. Is that because javs disappear after beeing trown?

Gaisatai look fearsome in that battle pic vs the dacians. Interesting that they will be 1HP with spear and javelin. I gues they will still cause fear?

So there will be a Uirodusios unit and a Celtic berserker unit besides the Gaisatai?

Also, will the Germanic Ulfhednar or Germanic Berserkers take an appearance in this? As you said there definately was a berserker ethos among the Celts and Germanic peoples.

Power2the1
05-11-2011, 23:55
Nice! Didn't notice this preview before.

A thing I like from the pictures is that in some you see them holding javs but in others not. Is that because javs disappear after beeing trown?

Gaisatai look fearsome in that battle pic vs the dacians. Interesting that they will be 1HP with spear and javelin. I gues they will still cause fear?

So there will be a Uirodusios unit and a Celtic berserker unit besides the Gaisatai?

Also, will the Germanic Ulfhednar or Germanic Berserkers take an appearance in this? As you said there definately was a berserker ethos among the Celts and Germanic peoples.

Yeah, the weapon disappears after being thrown. Only one of the Celtic nude units will be pegged as a true fanatic/berserk/religious type (although most any Celt going to war surely had some war deity they solemnly prayed to before battle and graciously thanked afterwards if they survived), but that fanatic unit will probably be a bit smaller in number than the average Celtic unit. The plan is for all of the nude units possessing the fear causing effect. As for the Germanic unit question, I'll plead the 5th, but some answers might be revealed sooner than you know :smiley:

nazgool
05-12-2011, 09:20
I smell Sweboz preview in the air :).
First this tweet

The forest is trembling...
now this sentence

I'll plead the 5th, but some answers might be revealed sooner than you know

Tux
05-12-2011, 09:51
I smell Sweboz preview in the air :).


I smell beef (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw).

Dregen
07-13-2011, 08:04
Amazing work!

Edorix
10-29-2011, 10:00
Very nice work. :)