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Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2011, 06:12
Noap. You get to keep living in this awful, terrible existence. That's your punishment.

If I were mafia, I would kill you on request. I'm a mensch like that.

Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2011, 06:16
Ok, how about this.

If you kill me, I will be silent the entire next phase. You have my word.

Csargo
05-22-2011, 06:17
Guys, guys, calm down. We should all be focusing on the true enemy here, which is TheLastDays.

TheLastDays
05-22-2011, 07:50
I'd really like to know how I evolved to the true enemy here. I mean, I know I am innocent but I'd still like to see the case.

Concerning your argument on yourself being more active than me and thus not lurking: Yes, you've been more active over the last 2-3 days, right after Renata first mentioned you and Khaan as typical lurker scum.

I did mention you only for that, if you read my post correctly, as I myself have no idea about you guys and your typical style of playing.
I think Khaan is the more likely suspect right now as he's still sitting back, I'm not sure though

Csargo
05-22-2011, 08:23
Concerning your argument on yourself being more active than me and thus not lurking: Yes, you've been more active over the last 2-3 days, right after Renata first mentioned you and Khaan as typical lurker scum.

I did mention you only for that, if you read my post correctly, as I myself have no idea about you guys and your typical style of playing.
I think Khaan is the more likely suspect right now as he's still sitting back, I'm not sure though

So the only reason you're going after khaan and me is because Renata said?

TheLastDays
05-22-2011, 14:03
I'm not even going after anyone atm, as it isn't time to vote right now. I was stating my suspicions. I doubt ATPG is scum, I have questioned the cases against him a few times, and I know I ain't so that leaves few options.

I didn't say I went after you because Renata said so, I said I stated you as "lurker scum" because Renata and others (ATPG for example iirc) mentioned that that's what you usually do as scum...

Of course JHT or Visor are other options that I can't quite "fit in"... I hope someone comes up with a really convincing argument against someone...
As I said, right now I'm just stating my suspicions or ideas if you will and see what comes from the others

Chaotix
05-22-2011, 18:38
I'm not even going after anyone atm, as it isn't time to vote right now. I was stating my suspicions. I doubt ATPG is scum, I have questioned the cases against him a few times, and I know I ain't so that leaves few options.

That's it. ATPG and TheLastDays are scum. It is abundantly clear.


I hope someone comes up with a really convincing argument against someone...


Why? Because the only argument you can legitimately pursue is against yourself?

Bahaha. I see the tells. I sees them. This man is scum. Get ATPG and then him.

Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2011, 19:47
TheLastDays is totally my scum partner. :bow:

Since we have no chance of winning, I might as well admit it now. It was me.

I killed you Chaotix. I did it because I was intimidated by your awesomeness.

And tonight, I shall kill the player among you who I am deeply, deeply concerned might have a more handsome and impressive-looking physique. That's why I went after Renata, and Reenk Roink. I just couldn't stand being around such beautiful people. I figured my only chance to get with Scienter was to knock off all the competition.

I did it because I'm insecure, okay? I mean, I'm not exactly packing. I have a very small knife. Visorslash says I should get a bigger one, but suuuuure, I mean he's Visorslash. He wants everyone to look at him while he's slashing people to death, he's not at all concerned about size. It's easy for him to just go get a bigger one, he doesn't have to deal with customers who don't tip. I'm fed up with that stuff.

And TheLastDays, he's the only one who truly understands me. We've only just met, but there's a connection between us that's greater than anything you people could possibly understand. He is also insecure about the size of his murder weapon. And from that link the unbreakable chain was forged, and now, it's too late... you cannot stop us! WE WILL RULE THIS CAMP SITE LIKE TWO KINGS WHO ARE JUST FRIENDS!

TheLastDays
05-22-2011, 20:16
Watever you say, buddy, whatever you say...

Andres
05-22-2011, 21:30
Csargo is one of the most underestimated mafia players ever. Follow his lead.

Andres
05-22-2011, 21:34
Good luck, town! :grin:

Scum!

And Pizza still sounds off.

Renata
05-22-2011, 21:41
Hah! Glad you agree with me on that one. Still not sure what to think of you ... :brood:

Tomorrow should be fun.

GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2011, 22:19
Clinton, Iowa
Night 6

It was the end, then.

Visorslash had gone off wandering at night, quite far. Very far, as a matter of fact. Far enough to discover a completely different section of the campground that, as far as his knowledge went, nobody had ever been at before. This section of the campground was still as soggy and ill-provisioned as the part that everybody was familiar with, but it did have something quite unique and possibly the key to surviving the killings for the night:

A castle.


https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/800px-Eagle_Point_Park_2.jpg

Granted, it wasn't actually a medieval-style fortress complete with a moat and towers and turrets and several layers of wall, but it was still a castle. It did offer some protection. And Visorslash decided to make the most of it, entering the castle and ascending to the top. Here he would hold this castle until morning! Here he would wait, throwing back all potential aspirants! Here he would make his stand against those who would do him harm!

It had been a very long road for Visorslash, driving his long-forgotten car some eight years ago now away from his home for the final time, pulling out onto the highway with "Backstreets" by Bruce Springsteen blaring in his stereo, and he had seen and lived through quite a lot, even more than most of the other like-minded campers here. A true veteran, Visorslash had worked a hundred different odd jobs over the years, slept in a thousand different beds, and made contact with various people from all walks of life too numerous to count. If anyone had truly experienced enough to fully understand America, it would be Visorslash.

However, this experience of the country and the people, while truly grand and life-enhancing, came at the expense of something critical: modern military strategy. For, yes, while Visorslash did hold the top of a small and insignificant castle, the person who had tracked him there had a far more potent advantage. Had this been the year 1168, Visorslash might have held out until morning. However, this was 2011, and his killer had a laser-guided sniper rifle with him.

Visorslash's body crumpled and his lifeless corpse fell off the castle, the momentum of the bullet knocking him off the edge., all of his beautiful experiences over the years for naught.

That morning, one mood truly took hold in the campground: panic. They were now down to an extremely paltry five. Everyone looked even more nervy as usual while tending to the fire, someone's hands shaking too much to successfully tend to anything.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: 5
Yaseikhaan
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Visorslash

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
Scienter

It is now Day 7. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.

johnhughthom
05-22-2011, 23:25
I'm going to stick with Vote: khaan

TheLastDays
05-22-2011, 23:36
Why? Because the only argument you can legitimately pursue is against yourself?


I'v yet to see an argument made against myself...

vote: Csargo

seireikhaan
05-22-2011, 23:38
Vote: TheLastDays

For basically the whole last day's worth of posts. They spelled out s-c-u-m.

Csargo
05-23-2011, 00:52
I'v yet to see an argument made against myself...

vote: Csargo

This contradicts what you said yesterday. Why has your mind changed?

Csargo
05-23-2011, 05:42
Vote:TheLastDays

He's been voting with what seems to me a clear lack of regard for who is actually lynched. The way I see it anyways. His posts have a neutral tone to me especially this one:


Andres, I know you didn't ask me but the only reason I haven't voted Chaotix or ATPG (yet) is that I'm not sure who of the two to lynch... I think they both have a point in their "feud" against each other, although apparently one of them is the scum. I just can't make out who it is yet...

There's nothing in this post. No opinions or thoughts on either person that are his own. It's fluff basically, pure and simple.

He's the best lynch in my opinion right now.

Chaotix
05-23-2011, 05:53
Vote: TheLastDays

For basically the whole last day's worth of posts. They spelled out s-c-u-m.

Where's Fluffy when you need him?

I see what you did there! :clown:

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 07:12
This contradicts what you said yesterday. Why has your mind changed?

My mind hasn't changed and the day isn't over, is it? I'm still trying to build cases and read reactions and I have to say I don't like yours. Of course part of it is probably self defense mechanism since you're voting for me I'm trying to figure out how your reactions would look were they taken against another player.

In this post of mine you quoted I myself state that I didn't have a clear picture and now you blame me for the fact it doesn't contain enough "opinion"?

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 07:17
Vote: TheLastDays

Nobody expects the Pizzaguy reversal. :smartass:

Visor
05-23-2011, 07:22
Ah damn it. I was figuring my death this night.

Pity. Oh well.


Still alive: 5
Yaseikhaan
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays

Hmm. I would go for TLD or JHT. I'd like a case on either though.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 07:32
Vote: TheLastDays

Nobody expects the Pizzaguy reversal. :smartass:

You're wrong ;) both in wanting to lynch me and in that I didn't expect it. You reverse too much to really surprise with your reversals :P

Well fine, kill me guys. I hope there's only one of them left... I still don't see the case against me but three votes obviously don't need a case when there's five players

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 07:51
You're wrong ;) both in wanting to lynch me and in that I didn't expect it. You reverse too much to really surprise with your reversals :P

So, it had crossed your mind, then? You've got too much pizza on the brain. It's hazardous to a scum's health.

Andres
05-23-2011, 08:29
Pizza should die this round.

Sorry, but this "I'm scum" act that has been going on for several rounds now, is starting to be a very annoying distraction. Apart from the fact that, imo, Pizza does sound off and a bit scummy in this game, it would be good if he died now so that we don't lose focus in the last round and make the right choice then.

Also, the unwritten rule that you can't claim mafia in vanilla games, even if you are mafia, should become a ruthlessly enforced written rule.

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 08:30
Pizza should die this round.

Sorry, but this "I'm scum" act that has been going on for several rounds now, is starting to be a very annoying distraction. Apart from the fact that, imo, Pizza does sound off and a bit scummy in this game, it would be good if he died now so that we don't lose focus in the last round and make the right choice then.

Also, the unwritten rule that you can't claim mafia in vanilla games, even if you are mafia, should become a ruthlessly enforced written rule.

I should die this round, so that silly rule will never be enforced ever.

Visor
05-23-2011, 08:47
Actually TheLastDays does deserve a lynch. Do it in my honour.

Kudos to the writeup general.

Csargo
05-23-2011, 09:25
My mind hasn't changed and the day isn't over, is it? I'm still trying to build cases and read reactions and I have to say I don't like yours. Of course part of it is probably self defense mechanism since you're voting for me I'm trying to figure out how your reactions would look were they taken against another player.

In this post of mine you quoted I myself state that I didn't have a clear picture and now you blame me for the fact it doesn't contain enough "opinion"?

You said that you felt khaan was more likely scum than I was. What changed your mind? Clearly I've done something that has made you suspect me more. I'm curious as to what that is.

I didn't say it didn't have enough, I said it didn't have any.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 09:33
And I Said just because I voted for you at the beginning of the day doesn't mean I think You're more likely scum than Khaan. I was looking for hints and reactions and I can change my vote... I think Khaan is scum but actually both of you could be in which case we'd be doomed anyway.

Nevertheless, unvote, vote: Yaseikhaan

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 09:54
Gosh that's tempting. And yet, for no reason whatsoever, I will decline your lovely invitation.

Diamondeye
05-23-2011, 10:13
It's Pizza.

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 10:25
It's Pizza.

Indeed it is. You're all fools for not seeing it sooner. :evil:

Andres
05-23-2011, 10:53
Indeed it is. You're all fools for not seeing it sooner. :evil:

You do realise that with that kind of attitude, town simply has to lynch you. Nobody wants to lose from the guy who has been screaming he's the mafia for almost the entire game. Better a total mafia victory from let's say 'khaan and the TheLastDays than running the risk to lose from you now.

If you're innocent, then being such a big distraction is bad townie behaviour.

Visor
05-23-2011, 11:00
If you're innocent, then being such a big distraction is bad townie behaviour.

Curious, why did no-one say that about me? I did that the entire game.

Andres
05-23-2011, 11:11
Curious, why did no-one say that about me? I did that the entire game.

You were displaying bad townie behaviour :stare:

Happy now?

Visor
05-23-2011, 11:12
Thank you. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 11:13
You do realise that with that kind of attitude, town simply has to lynch you. Nobody wants to lose from the guy who has been screaming he's the mafia for almost the entire game. Better a total mafia victory from let's say 'khaan and the TheLastDays than running the risk to lose from you now.

If you're innocent, then being such a big distraction is bad townie behaviour.

I reserve the right to have fun with this game, as it is a game, and break the established code of conduct for what a townie is and is not supposed to do. For what is strategy in a game of bluffs and lies and gambits if only commonplace bluffs and lies and gambits are considered acceptable? Gets downright predictable.

I have done some boneheaded things as townie which have screwed up games by accident. Those sorts of blunders are "okay" because I was trying. Well here, I am trying to win the game for the town and also happily enjoy the Wine In Front Of Me at the same time, because I like a double-edged game and if people really want to risk the game on my head because I was being "distracting", as if townie pizzaguy making big cases on suspects based on nothing but guesses isn't distracting enough, then so be it. Scums got to enjoy a fun show, and town shoots itself in the foot, and lols were had by many.

The only thing that really matters is where I place my vote, but to illustrate my point:



Vote: Scienter

I wouldn't want your turn as mafia to be too easy, now.

Here, I distance myself from Scienter. The plan was, when either of us went down, we were to be open about our guilt, so at least the town would know they got one. And then our voting pattern against one another would become apparent, and the other would look innocent.


unvote, vote: Who am I

Not really wanting to knock her off so quickly, I did the scummy thing which is to switch votes on round one. I'm very scummy here, but I delight in that, because acting scummy while scum is fun.


Vote: Visorslash

Well, these are yours.

This was in response to Visorslash voting for TheLastDays, who I tried to gain favor with by performing an OMGUS vote on his behalf. It was very scummy of me.


You meant to vote for Visorslash. :wink: But I forgive you.

Here, you can tell I am nervous, because TheLastDays correctly called me out on my nonsense. Sadly, he was not rewarded for his brilliance.


Nifty...

unvote, vote: Chaotix

God Emperor loves Renata.

Here, I use my own kill choices as a method of framing someone. Everyone knows I'd never kill Renata, and God Emperor is in lurve with Renata as well. So I point my scummy finger at Chaotix. I'm so very scummy here.


A scapegoat?

Characteristic of me, I nervously respond when Chaotix bravely and correctly votes for me. I cannot handle such pressure, so I accuse him of making me a scapegoat.


The joker role is banned forever.

We shall never speak of it again.

Off topic garbage. This is the sort of thing scums do when they don't want to pretend to hunt for scums, they respond to commentary that is unrelated to this game.


Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

Zack was a terrible lynch, and I distanced myself from it just like scums do when a townie is lynched. It's a reflexively scummy response. Inside, I was cackling with glee.


Vote: Chaotix

I'll give my life, assuming I get yours in return. You're infested with scum and villainy.

Preferably in that order. I ended up leaving him alive as lynch bait, and then, I decided to kill him because of his repeated correct votes for me.


Come back here and fight like a man!

Chicken!!! CHICKEN!!!

I'll eat your face and sell your toes on eBay.

Trying to hide my scummery with humor? Such cheap chicanery, Pizzaguy. :no: I know you're better than that.


Vote: Chaotix :stare:

I hardly ever use smiley faces. I dunno why I kept using them in this game. Could it be because I am SCUM!!!

:furious3: Pizza, you guilty grease ball!


NOOOOOOOO Diamondeye! My scum partner of scum partners! The only one with diamonds as big as.... well, nearly as big as..... errr, in fact.... vastly smaller than mine!

DE gets lynched because he's always mafia. Not this time! MWAHAHAHAHAA


Okay. I'll make the move, and pray it isn't a stupid one.

Unvote, vote: Scienter

I will murder you tonight, Chaotix.

This is me pretending to care about who dies. I thought if I showed Chaotix a little compassion he'd stop voting for me, but nooooo :stare:


That's not a good argument for you to live. Pretending not to care about if you live or die is common mafia strategy.

Unvote, vote: God Emperor

A strategy I employ often as mafia. :beam:


Man, this totally doesn't sound like WIFOM or anything like that. There's no chance either me or you will get any votes at all tomorrow. Nope.

Much too cocky. Lynch that guy.


Lynch Andres first, then me. :bow:

If you were townie, you'd have said lynch me first, then Andres. You're such a sloppy liar, Pizza.

I know when it's time to be serious and when it's time to mess around. I place my vote and make cases when it's prudent to do so. I also like to have fun. Besides, wouldn't winning in spite of my joking "distractions" be an even bigger and more glorious achievement?

~:pimp:

If TheLastDays is guilty, I'm being a good townie. If he's not, well, :shrug: I gave it a shot.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 12:24
Oh Man, I should have killed you last night...

Csargo
05-23-2011, 16:34
And I Said just because I voted for you at the beginning of the day doesn't mean I think You're more likely scum than Khaan. I was looking for hints and reactions and I can change my vote... I think Khaan is scum but actually both of you could be in which case we'd be doomed anyway.

Nevertheless, unvote, vote: Yaseikhaan

Why did you switch to khaan now?

I'd like to see examples of ATPG's bad townie behavior.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 16:47
I have switched to Khaan because, just to state it one more time, I have voted you just to see reactions basically and I didn't think I'd get any more meaningful reactions from you, thus I went back to the suspect I stated before seemed more likely to me.

Examples for ATPGs bad townie behavior will have to come from somewhere else, as I have stated numerous times that I doubt him being Mafia...

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 18:57
I have switched to Khaan because, just to state it one more time, I have voted you just to see reactions basically and I didn't think I'd get any more meaningful reactions from you, thus I went back to the suspect I stated before seemed more likely to me.

Examples for ATPGs bad townie behavior will have to come from somewhere else, as I have stated numerous times that I doubt him being Mafia...

I think it is somewhat likely that one of the scumbags has already been lynched. However, on the chance that they have not, this is the final round and certain voting dynamics become meaningful.

2 versus 3 is a situation where all townies must vote together, obviously, or else town loses. I was perfectly willing to go into this round with guns blazing and lynch Yaseikhaan, who I had been suspecting for a few rounds now of just drifting through the game and letting the townies screw themselves to death.

And yet, there's always a bigger chance that I'd be wrong on Khaan and another suspect should die. I expected I'd get a few options as to who to vote for today. So far, I've been given Csargo, Khaan, and TLD as options. Under pressure, TLD switches to Khaan.

Something about the whole scenario seems too convenient. If Khaan is guilty, he should have died 1-2 rounds ago when I first started suspecting him, especially last round when Scienter was the lynch and no one seemed to give a darn about it, Scienter included.

If someone is playing for a solid endgame, they put on their big boy pants by leaving me alive all this time if I was guessing correctly on Khaan. More likely is that others were considered a bigger threat. I feel more comfortable about choosing someone unexpected and rewarding ballsy play, rather than go with the obvious choice.

If this were any round but the possible endgame round, I'd be voting for Khaan. But it's probably time up, and I don't believe both Khaan and Csargo are guilty. Consequently, I'm voting with one of them, and the other (Khaan) has no other options today because he's the alternate lynch. Tactically speaking, I feel this is the stronger blind lynch, as it is more likely to be the right lynch if I'm wrong on Khaan.

Mafia tend to leave people alive who are pressured for death. There's really no reason why TheLastDays should still be alive, since he's been wagoning all game long (dangerous for mafia) and he's come under no pressure (dangerous for mafia).

Csargo
05-23-2011, 19:23
:heart: You have a way with words I just don't have. :heart:

I feel Khaan has given his best effort under his current circumstances(school). His posts don't give me a scummy vibe either, even though there aren't many of them.

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 19:27
:heart: You have a way with words I just don't have. :heart:

I feel Khaan has given his best effort under his current circumstances(school). His posts don't give me a scummy vibe either, even though there aren't many of them.

That said, Khaan rarely gives tells, he's like JHT in that regard. He's cool as ice, and his being busy IRL has no impact on whether or not he's scum.

My gut is begging my brain to switch to Khaan, but my brain is using a rare veto because of what round it is. Besides, how often do I get a chance to follow a Csargo case? The last time I saw you make a case was.... ????

Renata
05-23-2011, 19:32
Oh god it's totally you two, isn't it?

It's just as well I'm dead; I'm running on fumes today.

Csargo
05-23-2011, 19:35
That said, Khaan rarely gives tells, he's like JHT in that regard. He's cool as ice, and his being busy IRL has no impact on whether or not he's scum.

My gut is begging my brain to switch to Khaan, but my brain is using a rare veto because of what round it is. Besides, how often do I get a chance to follow a Csargo case? The last time I saw you make a case was.... ????

It's just a feeling I have.

I wouldn't even call that a case. More like a bunch of words jumbled together :grin:

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 19:35
Oh god it's totally you two, isn't it?

It's just as well I'm dead; I'm running on fumes today.

Renata, I am heartbroken you think I'd axe you on N1. I wuv you more than Believer does, but I can't voice my feelings because of my fear of rejection. :heart:


It's just a feeling I have.

I wouldn't even call that a case. More like a bunch of words jumbled together :grin:

That's all my cases are. I just dress them up and smear them with lipstick, and act like they're sexy. Perception is everything.

Csargo
05-23-2011, 19:37
Oh god it's totally you two, isn't it?

It's just as well I'm dead; I'm running on fumes today.

I'm 125% pure Grade A innocent.

johnhughthom
05-23-2011, 19:45
Unvote, Vote: TLD

I wasn't going to bother, but this will stop any clever plans involving last minute vote switches.

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 19:47
Unvote, Vote: TLD

I wasn't going to bother, but this will stop any clever plans involving last minute vote switches.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

TheLastDays, I'm sorry! My bussing you was only a ruse!!! I was gonna switch to Khaan later! :bigcry: Now my plans are foiled again.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 19:52
It's alright Pizza, just don't let them take you out next round ;)

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 19:53
It's alright Pizza, just don't let them take you out next round ;)

Never. I'm unlynchable this game. It will be like taking candy from a baby.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 19:56
Well in all seriousness that I am capable of I just hope when I'm dead and you realize the game's not over (that is if there's not two of them left) you get that last shot right... Good night!

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 19:58
Well in all seriousness that I am capable of I just hope when I'm dead and you realize the game's not over (that is if there's not two of them left) you get that last shot right... Good night!

I will flip a coin between Khaan and John, because it rhymes. And that is going to be my entire case against them, too.

GeneralHankerchief
05-23-2011, 21:19
Voting closed.

Diamondeye
05-23-2011, 21:38
I will flip a coin between Khaan and John, because it rhymes. And that is going to be my entire case against them, too.

Trust this man!

GeneralHankerchief
05-23-2011, 21:40
Clinton, Iowa
Day 7

The five remaining campers sat around the fire, all of them equidistant from each other. Were any of them so inclined, they could point out that they had formed a perfect pentagram. It might as well have been said, for there were certainly evil enough occurrences that had taken place over the past week to justify it.

For once, there had been some unanimity in the day's discussions. People suddenly realized that TheLastDays had still been hanging around despite not really saying much that required a commitment over the past week and not really coming under much pressure - as the escaped fugitives had mostly been targeting those who did not look to be in danger of being lynched, the fact that TLD had been generally untouched brought him even more suspicion.

Of course, the inverse of this was that most of his accusers had been under suspicion for pretty much the entire week, and had narrowly escaped being lynched themselves once or twice. So, the question was: were those who had just barely made it banding together because they wanted to put the hammer down on potential opposition once and for all, or because they honestly saw a possible way out of this, and, after a week's worth of miscues, were finally starting to put things together?

TheLastDays, for one, obviously believed that it was the former option, but he was eventually shot down 4-1. Taking a long look into the fire, TheLastDays realized that his last days had been full of regrets and missed opportunities. Once, he had a life full of promise, full of opportunities, but the years had been cruel to him, with one stretch of bad luck after another. Eventually, the worst of all had been this final one, the journey to this cursed campground, where as he waited for the access road to finally dry up, he watched his companions die one by one until the reaper finally called his number, tonight.

Deep in contemplation, TheLastDays gradually leaned over the fire more and more until he was finally whacked in, courtesy of a large flaming log. And then there were four.

Day 7 tally:

TheLastDays:4 (everyone) :skull:
Yaseikhaan: 1 (TheLastDays)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: 4
Yaseikhaan
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Visorslash

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
Scienter
TheLastDays

It is now Night 7. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 21:44
And so, Khaan, it has come down to this. We never got our epic duel in the Pokeman game. I challenge you to a duel, my flaming log against yours.

At last, we shall see which of our logs is the strongest.

Chaotix
05-23-2011, 23:02
Look at ATPG...

SO certain both he and khaan are going to survive the night.

It's almost as if he's the one calling the shots...

Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2011, 23:19
Look at ATPG...

SO certain both he and khaan are going to survive the night.

It's almost as if he's the one calling the shots...

Well of course I'm going to survive the night with everyone pointing fingers of suspicion on me. Thanks guys! :laugh4:

I am loving all this attention. It's gold.

Actually the game is probably over, Khaan and Csargo won.

TheLastDays
05-23-2011, 23:22
Wouldn't it be announced over then? Or would it be played out?

GeneralHankerchief
05-23-2011, 23:36
Wouldn't it be announced over then? Or would it be played out?

My standard operating procedure is to leave everybody in suspense for a night while they wait for the final result. :evilgrin:

Andres
05-24-2011, 09:23
If we have two mafiosi left, then this game is not over...

Tomorrow: 4 players alive; 2 are mafia, 2 town.

Both townies vote mafioso, both mafioso vote a townie; random.org decides the mafioso dies. Next night, the remaining mafioso kills one townie. Next day, one mafia and one townie left, they vote each other. Random.org decides the second mafioso dies. Townspeople victory ~:cheers:

Askthepizzaguy
05-24-2011, 09:41
Or, GH can pull a Sigurd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-Concluded) and have one townie remaining defeat both mafiosi using the power of heart dead jedi.

I predict good things are about to happen. :yes:

Diamondeye
05-24-2011, 10:04
Or, GH can pull a Sigurd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-Concluded) and have one townie remaining defeat both mafiosi using the power of heart dead jedi.

I predict good things are about to happen. :yes:

Trying to subtly hint that you might be town's only hope? Pull a Sunrider?

Askthepizzaguy
05-24-2011, 10:11
Trying to subtly hint that you might be town's only hope? Pull a Sunrider?

I'm afraid I don't have even Noob Grandmaster-level jedi powers this time, and I have no defense against flaming logs to the head.

My plan is to run away screaming. If cornered, I'll tell them I have a kind of gonnorhea that is transmitted by sneezing, and I'm allergic to being murdered.

Diamondeye
05-24-2011, 10:12
I'm afraid I don't have even Noob Grandmaster-level jedi powers this time, and I have no defense against flaming logs to the head.

My plan is to run away screaming. If cornered, I'll tell them I have a kind of gonnorhea that is transmitted by sneezing, and I'm allergic to being murdered.

That sounds perfectly reasonable.

TheLastDays
05-24-2011, 12:28
Don't wanna spoil your fun but it's night, so if this game isn't over (and I know it isn't because you funny people lynched me instead of Mafia) there'll be three left next phase, not four, so if two Mafiosi are left this game is over... Or it will be

GeneralHankerchief
05-24-2011, 21:32
The Night 7 report may be late by an hour or two. Sorry for the delay.

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 00:05
Sorry for the delay, writeup commencing.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 00:58
*checks watch*

I am frightened now.

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 01:06
Clinton, Iowa
Night 7

He had found it. There was another way out. No more waiting for certain access roads to dry out. No more waiting around to die. While other people had acted foolishly, trying to swim their way to safety or make all of the noise in the world going to the woods, Csargo had been biding his time. Instead of waiting around, he had been searching for another way out from the very first night, exploring through the woods, marking his progress, and keeping a good separation between himself and everything else that was happening. Finally, after a week or searching, he had found it.

A trail had appeared, the woods had cleared out, and the only thing that was separating Csargo from freedom was a stone bridge over a dried-out gully.


https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/1439a434-5c31-45e4-929d-cf4d5dd5b9db.jpg

Beyond that bridge lied salvation and civilization, and everything it brought: notably processed food, plumbing, and the Clinton, Iowa Police Department. Csargo had played his cards cool for the past week, but now he couldn't help it. He screamed out in joy and began running over the bridge.

All of a sudden, a hail of bullets opened up on Csargo from behind the tree line. Csargo went down, partially to instinct, partially to training. Csargo had always used his wits to survive the road life, after all, getting into more sticky situations than he could count? What had gotten him to survive through all of that? His intelligence. It had gotten him to the campground, and it had gotten him to live to the point where others had died. It would be his intelligence that would save him here as well.

Csargo rolled down the gully, taking cover under the bridge. There were a few more spurts of fire, but none that came anywhere remotely near to him. His assailant would no doubt search for a better position, and then Csargo would be doomed. He needed to find a weapon, and fast. Csargo's hand came out from under cover, searching for a stick of some sort. It wasn't much, but it would be better than nothing. He took too long, however. Another spurt of gunfire found his now-exposed hand and took it clean off his body.

Screaming in pain, Csargo's remaining hand clutched his bleeding stump, writhing on the ground in agony. At this point, intelligence and training yielded completely to instinct, and as he was rolling around and moaning, trying to desperately stem the pain, Csargo rolled too far out from under cover, and at that point was summarily finished off by the still-hidden assailant. Csargo finally expired, his luck run out, only a mere yards from freedom.

Three of them gathered around the fire that morning. This was truly the end, everyone realized. They had gotten one of the two fugitives; their very continued existence proved that point. However, Csargo's corpse proved that they still had one to kill. This would be it, then. If the two innocents banded together and were successfully able to lynch the remaining interloper, they would be able to live out the rest of their time on the campground in peace and eventually be able to escape and pick up the pieces of their lives.

If not... well, then there would be far fewer American vagabonds, and those who camped in Clinton, Iowa, would have one heck of a ghost story to tell by firelight in the future.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: 3
Yaseikhaan
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Visorslash
Csargo

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
Scienter
TheLastDays

It is now Day 8. As this is the final round, it will conclude in approximately 48 hours as opposed to the usual 24. Best of luck!

Renata
05-25-2011, 01:07
Somebody's got a sense of humor.

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 01:08
*checks watch*

I am frightened now.

My fault. The Princess Bride was on, I had to pay my homage to the WIFOM scene.

johnhughthom
05-25-2011, 01:10
My fault. The Princess Bride was on, I had to pay my homage to the WIFOM scene.

I really should watch that some day.

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 01:12
You mean you haven't watched it yet?

Vote: johnhughthom

Renata
05-25-2011, 01:13
I am nothing if not obliging: Wine in front of me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6wqKb8EUxI).

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 02:47
And now, seeing as I cannot tell the difference between Johnhughthom and Yaseikhaan, my ability to analyze is basically useless.

I am strongly considering using my new found blueberry powers to avenge the fallen strawberry, by closing this thread. That way I'll be safe.

seireikhaan
05-25-2011, 02:50
And now, seeing as I cannot tell the difference between Johnhughthom and Yaseikhaan, my ability to analyze is basically useless.

I am strongly considering using my new found blueberry powers to avenge the fallen strawberry, by closing this thread. That way I'll be safe.
Oh, naw, we gonna have a war, sir. Green power mandates we finish this delicious strawberry malt off.

That said, I'm just conflicted. I've got the epic of gilgamesh and a billion pages of accounting work and a playoff basketball game demanding attention. I just dunno I can get a solid difference between you and JHT. Since we're both fairly incompetent, you wanna strike a deal and vote for the only competent analyzer left?

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 02:55
Oh, naw, we gonna have a war, sir. Green power mandates we finish this delicious strawberry malt off.

That said, I'm just conflicted. I've got the epic of gilgamesh and a billion pages of accounting work and a playoff basketball game demanding attention. I just dunno I can get a solid difference between you and JHT. Since we're both fairly incompetent, you wanna strike a deal and vote for the only competent analyzer left?

I still think GH is messing with us. TheLastDays was obviously guilty.

I refuse to vote this round. I abstain. No more killing, not while I'm still alive.

Who's with me? Free balloon for everyone who agrees not to vote for anyone. :balloon2:

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 02:56
This ain't The Golden Rule. Vote. :smoking:

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 02:57
This ain't The Golden Rule. Vote. :smoking:

Can I vote for you, GH?

You seem like the criminal type to me.

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 02:59
You can only vote for people on the "Still alive" list. Do you see me on that list?

(By the way, enjoy the implications of that last line. :grin:)

seireikhaan
05-25-2011, 03:03
So GH told me if we don't vote he'll just slay us all and crown himself the eternal king of Clinton Iowa. In that case, I guess I'll offer a vote towards Johnhughthom for now, if only to ensure we don't all get wog'd. And as a peace offering to pizzadude. Although I'm tempted to continue abstaining so he'll have to deal with the mess that is an Iowan river town.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 03:04
You can only vote for people on the "Still alive" list. Do you see me on that list?

(By the way, enjoy the implications of that last line. :grin:)

I highlighted the text to make sure. No, your name isn't there.

Maybe you're a zombie.


https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/7952397.jpg


Hey, even Memegenerator is pointing fingers at me. No fair!

Silly dead people. Stop living in the past!

Err.... wait....

seireikhaan
05-25-2011, 03:05
Um, just to make sure my vote is counted, Vote: Johnhughthom, aka the guy not named Askthepizzaguy.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 03:06
Um, just to make sure my vote is counted, Vote: Johnhughthom, aka the guy not named Askthepizzaguy.

I still feel confident that John will be brave enough to vote for me.

Csargo
05-25-2011, 03:23
My gut says ATPG. My brain also says ATPG. Oh, well that's good then. No conflict between the two.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 03:25
My gut says ATPG. My brain also says ATPG. Oh, well that's good then. No conflict between the two.

Andres says ATPG.

Chaotix says ATPG.

Even Pizzaguy says ATPG.

I think the choice is clear. I will go with Csargo's gut and brain.

But what does your heart tell you, Csargo? :heart:

Csargo
05-25-2011, 03:28
Andres says ATPG.

Chaotix says ATPG.

Even Pizzaguy says ATPG.

I think the choice is clear. I will go with Csargo's gut and brain.

But what does your heart tell you, Csargo? :heart:

That's a secret. :wink:

Chaotix
05-25-2011, 03:30
ATPG, when you win, this game will forever be known as "that game where nobody lynched ATPG even though they knew he was scum the whole time".

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 03:33
That's a secret. :wink:

You wound me, my love. I have no clue who to vote for. You're the Patrick Swayze to my Demi Moore.

Guide my hands.

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Csargo
05-25-2011, 03:35
You wound me, my love. I have no clue who to vote for. You're the Patrick Swayze to my Demi Moore.

Guide my hands.

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Well JHT is second on the list. That's who I would have voted if I was still alive, but since I'm dead you're my first choice.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 03:35
ATPG, when you win, this game will forever be known as "that game where nobody lynched ATPG even though they knew he was scum the whole time".

I know, it's really freaky. You guys cannot let me get away with this nonsense. What's wrong with you people???

I successfully killed off everyone who thought I was scummy, I guess. :shrug: Didn't think such a straightforward strategy could actually work.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 03:49
I said I would flip a coin, but heck, would I really be me if I did that? My whole shtick is pretending to know what I'm talking about. So I am going to stare at the following two lists of posts until my brain gives me an inkling of what to do.

I'm not allowed to vote for either one unless I can give some reason... actual, somewhat logical reason, why one is clearly guilty and the other is not. I have almost two days to do this.

The first list is Yaseikhaan.


Vote: B_Ray

Long live the old history channel!

Vote: Diamondeye

False scum accusation- if you really think he is, vote for him, instead of trying to influence others to do your dirty work.
Everyone should vote for Diamondeye. The Heavens have spoken through their prophet, Reenk, and righteously pointed out Diamondeye's guilt.

Also, scummy post was scummy.
Vote: Scienter

I'm with andres' stomach on this one.
Two tests tomorrow, sweetie, and my profs seem to think that 30 hours a day is a perfectly reasonable amount of time to devote to school in what's turning out to be a lovely Iowa May. I'll give you that's not really a valid excuse for me acting like.. uh.. me, I guess, but anywhos....

I recall a bit ago you had a really spot on scum catch, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Vote: Andres
Grar... I told you, I've been getting my hat handed to me by my summer courses. Vote:Askthepizzaguy Because you being alive now means you'll never die, and I don't want to take that risk.
Noap. You get to keep living in this awful, terrible existence. That's your punishment.
Vote: TheLastDays

For basically the whole last day's worth of posts. They spelled out s-c-u-m.
Oh, naw, we gonna have a war, sir. Green power mandates we finish this delicious strawberry malt off.

That said, I'm just conflicted. I've got the epic of gilgamesh and a billion pages of accounting work and a playoff basketball game demanding attention. I just dunno I can get a solid difference between you and JHT. Since we're both fairly incompetent, you wanna strike a deal and vote for the only competent analyzer left?


The second list is Johnhughthom.


Vote:Zack

Amateur. You forgot your "If I was mafia I would..." line.
Vote: The LastDays

Explain yourself sir.
Because you're Ballsy and Ruthless enough to do so as scum?
Somebody who wins the game when they get lynched. I hate them. I hate them. They are horrible.
Vote: God Emperor

Such a lazy vote.
You could probably say that about a few players.
Vote: Chaotix
You want somebody to explain your own vote to you? My goodness, you really have managed to fool everybody into thinking you know what you're doing in this mafia lark.
Good stuff, thought I'd missed the phase. I'll read up when I've more time tomorrow and cast a vote then.
Im going to Vote: God Emperor
What exactly is the case on Scienter? She doesn't seem any different from how she normally plays to me.
You'll need to unvote first Visorslash, this is just an extension, not a revote like last time.
And how many times has it allowed the scum to slip by unnoticed?
Vote: Andres

I'm pretty sure the key to our scum is somewhere in that three way tie. Andres vote switch was the action that stuck out most to me.
Interesting.
I still don't see the case on Scienter. I was going to put some sort of scum buddy related humour here, but it has been ruined by Visorslash and Pizza for this game. Overdone guys, not cool, not cool at all.
Vote: khaan

I'd like to hear more from the horsey man. And less from Pizza and Visorslash.
I'm going to stick with Vote: khaan
Unvote, Vote: TLD

I wasn't going to bother, but this will stop any clever plans involving last minute vote switches.
I really should watch that some day.

If I need context I can click on the quote and re-read what was happening that day. :book:

As for myself, those who wish to see all my posts can click this link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135271-The-Campground-In-play).

Csargo
05-25-2011, 04:17
Chaotix: (4) ATPG, God Emperor, Visorslash, Scienter
God Emperor: (3) TheLastDays, Csargo, JHT
Scienter: (2) Andres, Yaseikhaan
ATPG: (2) Chaotix, B_Ray


When does the round end? This tally is not stable. Chaotix isn't going to leave his vote as-is going into his own possible lynch, and the other top two candidates for lynch are also voting for Chaotix, and they could easily jump ship if the Chaotix wagon changes. In other words, I suspect last-minute shenanigans going to happen. We need something more decisive.

Chaotix wants to vote for Scienter; I also placed an early suspicion on Scienter. Andres has the golden gut. I move off of Chaotix, onto GE or Scienter, and they could easily flip to me. It's a virtual 4-way tie at the moment.


Okay. I'll make the move, and pray it isn't a stupid one.

Unvote, vote: Scienter

I will murder you tonight, Chaotix.

I don't understand this Pizza. Why would you switch off of Chaotix? You had been going after him for a few rounds before this iirc.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 04:22
I don't understand this Pizza. Why would you switch off of Chaotix? You had been going after him for a few rounds before this iirc.

Real reason is to give an established paper trail showing that I am willing to have any of these people executed at any time. Chaotix wouldn't have been in the lead if it weren't for my vote, and I moved my vote somewhere where anyone could still lynch him if necessary, also placing God Emperor and Scienter en prise.

If anyone actually analyzes my votes, and should it have mattered in the endgame, I can prove that I'm either bussing my partner for no reason, near the end of a round, without being able to claim primary credit for it (look at all my games as scum, I've never done that) or that I am not mafia partners with said people.

That's roughly 75% of the reason. The remainder is because I wanted to see reactions to the three-way tie, if anyone flinched. That might have been useful, had anyone flinched.

There's also a scrap of if Chaotix was mafia, he'd be inclined to kill me sooner or later, which is excellent for the town.

Csargo
05-25-2011, 04:40
That scares me a bit

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 04:43
That scares me a bit

A vote need not only be used for pointing fingers, but also, loosening lips.

Csargo
05-25-2011, 05:04
It just doesn't seem like a townie move in my mind.

Why haven't you voted khaan yet? You know you are going to in the end. No need to carry on dilly-dallying. You seemed pretty convinced he was guilty before.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 05:07
It just doesn't seem like a townie move in my mind.

I've done it before, as townie, same reasons.

I believe I have done it as mafia once, in my recollection, attempting to force a double lynch in a game that shall remain painful to remember. The result was, I was punished for forcing a tie, and my Godfather died.

Not saying it proves anything, but I am saying nobody reads me properly.


Why haven't you voted khaan yet? You know you are going to in the end. No need to carry on dilly-dallying. You seemed pretty convinced he was guilty before.

I'm busy analyzing the game. I do want to give it an honest attempt, especially with two darn near impossible to read people, with the game on the line. This is perhaps my dream ending. I'm not one to rush such a move.

Csargo
05-25-2011, 05:28
I've done it before, as townie, same reasons.

I believe I have done it as mafia once, in my recollection, attempting to force a double lynch in a game that shall remain painful to remember. The result was, I was punished for forcing a tie, and my Godfather died.

Not saying it proves anything, but I am saying nobody reads me properly.

k


I'm busy analyzing the game. I do want to give it an honest attempt, especially with two darn near impossible to read people, with the game on the line. This is perhaps my dream ending. I'm not one to rush such a move.

Well, you seemed pretty dead-set on khaan before... Guess I'll wait and see what happens then.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 07:17
Analysis of Yaseikhaan.

I will view each person from both perspectives, and see which makes more sense to me. That should hopefully eliminate some confirmation bias, and force me to be as objective as I can be.

Yaseikhaan does not vote day one.

No posts during Night one.

Vote: B_Ray

Long live the old history channel!

At the time, Zack was in the lead, and others had at least two votes on them.

I've noticed that Khaan has employed a "wagon everyone" strategy before as townie. See: Mafia IX. For him to sit back and lob quiet votes and non-leading candidates is interesting. What's more, I believe it was a concerted strategy from him because he does that for several rounds. That said, Khaan will employ a low-key strategy at times as town.

B_ray was innocent.

Day 2:

Zack: 5 (Csargo, Reenk, B_Ray, God Emperor, TheLastDays) :skull:
Reenk Roink: 2 (Zack, Diamondeye)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Visorslash: 1 (Visorslash)
Andres: 1 (Scienter)
Chaotix: 1 (ATPG)
Scienter: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (khaan)
TheLastDays: 1 (JHT)

Not voting: 1 (robbiecon)


No posts at all during the night phase.


Vote: Diamondeye

False scum accusation- if you really think he is, vote for him, instead of trying to influence others to do your dirty work.

This vote seems to have more teeth than Khaan's previous vote. It's aggressive, and casts doubt on Diamondeye's motivations.

Diamondeye was executed, and therefore, is a possible candidate for a scumbag.

The tally at this point is very low, only 1 or two votes per candidate.

ATPG: Chaotix
Chaotix: ATPG, GE
Scienter: TLD
B_Ray: DE
Csargo: Visor
Visor: Andres
DE: Reenk, Yaseikhaan


Everyone should vote for Diamondeye. The Heavens have spoken through their prophet, Reenk, and righteously pointed out Diamondeye's guilt.

Also, scummy post was scummy.

Khaan further encourages Diamondeye's death.

Chaotix: ATPG, GE
Scienter: TLD
B_Ray: DE
Csargo: Visor
GE: Johnhughthom
Visor: Andres
DE: Reenk, Yaseikhaan
Zack: Chaotix

God Emperor got a vote, but the tally seems comfortable enough not to provoke any reaction from Khaan even if GE were scum. Scienter as Khaan's partner wouldn't make sense either. I don't really buy Zack as scum.

I can't really cast any of this as unusual behavior, or even scum-motivated. DE had been voting for B_Ray, another townie.


Vote: Scienter

I'm with andres' stomach on this one.


Chaotix: Pizza, GE
Pizza: Chaotix
GE: TLD

Tally before the extension. I am of the belief that a scum would have voted here.

Of these people, TheLastDays and God Emperor are the only candidates for scum, other than myself.

I am seriously considering TheLastDays and God Emperor as our two highest likelihood of scum candidates.

Khaan missing a vote because he is busy is in fact plausible either way. He's missed days before in games where he's scum.


Chaotix: Pizza, GE, Visorslash, Scienter
Pizza: Chaotix, B_Ray
GE: TLD, Csargo, JHT
Scienter: Andres, Yaseikhaan

Many votes later, Khaan has a choice to jump on the wagon on innocent Chaotix, innocent Pizza, or likely guilty God Emperor. He goes with the quiet Scienter, backing up Andres vote.

Khaan still can switch to Pizza or Chaotix if necessary, should GE be his scum partner. Possible distancing motivation here.

Will follow this theory.

However, anyone, myself included, can and does follow Andres' gut instincts from time to time. I felt Andres could have been guilty, but I still followed up on Scienter just in case he was not.

The round ends and the tie is broken by several townies, lynching God Emperor with finality, possibly before Khaan can react.


B_Ray is slain, one of the people who voted for God Emperor.


Two tests tomorrow, sweetie, and my profs seem to think that 30 hours a day is a perfectly reasonable amount of time to devote to school in what's turning out to be a lovely Iowa May. I'll give you that's not really a valid excuse for me acting like.. uh.. me, I guess, but anywhos....

I recall a bit ago you had a really spot on scum catch, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Vote: Andres

After God Emperor dies, and Scienter is still alive, Khaan switches gears and goes for Andres.

This seems inconsistent to me. Says me, Captain Inconsistency. I'm still curious as to why Khaan doesn't follow up on Andres' gut?

Khaan also waits until late in the round to say much.


Grar... I told you, I've been getting my hat handed to me by my summer courses. Vote:Askthepizzaguy Because you being alive now means you'll never die, and I don't want to take that risk.

Excuses, Excuses.

Voting for me based on the above 'reasoning' is fail. Obviously he does want to take that risk, and has. In fact, he's still taking that risk.

Khaan waits until late in the round to say anything. At this point, Khaan could not save Scienter except by tying the vote.

Then again, Khaan doesn't really seem the type to go out of his way to save his partner anyway, which renders him hard to analyze.


Noap. You get to keep living in this awful, terrible existence. That's your punishment.

I believe you. I'm excellent lynchbait usually.


Vote: TheLastDays

For basically the whole last day's worth of posts. They spelled out s-c-u-m.

Vague.

Not waiting all round to cast his vote, which seems to imply he was doing it on purpose before.


Oh, naw, we gonna have a war, sir. Green power mandates we finish this delicious strawberry malt off.

That said, I'm just conflicted. I've got the epic of gilgamesh and a billion pages of accounting work and a playoff basketball game demanding attention. I just dunno I can get a solid difference between you and JHT. Since we're both fairly incompetent, you wanna strike a deal and vote for the only competent analyzer left?

Really don't know what to say to this. Something about it feels like it's being written like fake dialogue for a character that Khaan is playing.

Khaan loves his WIFOM. He's certainly capable of doing everything he's just done as mafia, regardless of JHT or my suspicion on him. What the scums have been doing is eliminating everyone who went after God Emperor, it seems.

After reading the whole thread again, I tend to agree with Andres that God Emperor maybe was guilty. I don't feel that from Scienter.

TheLastDays is also a top scum choice, somewhat implying that Johnhughthom is his partner. Khaan would bus his own partner though.

Dead scums are likely God Emperor or TLD.

Dunno what my verdict on Khaan is. There is an overall feeling of disingenuous behavior from him, given his odd voting record. Going from voting with Andres to voting for Andres while Andres' suspect is still alive doesn't feel right. Khaan doesn't follow up on me, which is odd. Many of his votes seem designed to not even cause a lynch to happen. Much of the time, he lurks through entire rounds, yet he picked up on my random FoS in his general direction for doing so and responded to it.

He is rarely aggressive, in fact only makes a couple of aggressive plays all game, and otherwise becomes a background figure, leaving his vote in places it doesn't make any difference.

Khaan as townie has been rather bloodthirsty before, and nowhere near this cautious.

I'll take a closer look at Johnhughthom and then sit on it for a while and let it stew.

I am leaning guilty, with a side of God Emperor. But we shall see.



Now, let's check out John.


Analysis of Johnhughthom.


Vote:Zack

Amateur. You forgot your "If I was mafia I would..." line.

I'd wager Zack was innocent. Just how he is.


Vote: The LastDays

Explain yourself sir.

TheLastDays is still a possible/likely scumbag.


Because you're Ballsy and Ruthless enough to do so as scum?


Somebody who wins the game when they get lynched. I hate them. I hate them. They are horrible.

Rather chatty for day one.


Vote: God Emperor

Such a lazy vote.

No chatting during the night phase.

Another vote on someone who was lynched. Interesting.

Both Khaan and John end up voting for almost everyone who got lynched. There's not much difference between them so far, except Khaan has also voted for known innocents.


You could probably say that about a few players.


Vote: Chaotix

John's first vote for a known innocent is during the DE/Chaotix tiebeaker. In fact, Diamondeye is one of the few suspected scums that John never voted for.

Not sure what that means.


You want somebody to explain your own vote to you? My goodness, you really have managed to fool everybody into thinking you know what you're doing in this mafia lark.


Good stuff, thought I'd missed the phase. I'll read up when I've more time tomorrow and cast a vote then.

What's the big deal if you miss a phase?


Im going to Vote: God Emperor

No follow-up on Chaotix, back to God Emperor, late to the wagon.


What exactly is the case on Scienter? She doesn't seem any different from how she normally plays to me.

The only time I can recall seeing you ask for a case on someone is when the person voted was your scum partner, in the Animus game.

Very odd behavior.


You'll need to unvote first Visorslash, this is just an extension, not a revote like last time.

John is watching the outcome of the three way tie, but not contributing to any discussion about it.


And how many times has it allowed the scum to slip by unnoticed?

I don't understand the purpose or point of this question. Just seems randomly chatty.


Vote: Andres

I'm pretty sure the key to our scum is somewhere in that three way tie. Andres vote switch was the action that stuck out most to me.

Seems contrived. Such a vague place to start from gives you a lot of ammunition to accuse basically anyone in that whole mess.


Interesting.

Response to Renata's post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2053315436#post2053315436)


I still don't see the case on Scienter. I was going to put some sort of scum buddy related humour here, but it has been ruined by Visorslash and Pizza for this game. Overdone guys, not cool, not cool at all.

This feels fakey.


Vote: khaan

I'd like to hear more from the horsey man. And less from Pizza and Visorslash.

Okay, I'm starting to see a pattern. John is placing his vote on people, based on other people's cases. It's as if he's allowing the momentum of others to determine his actions. He's consistently placing his vote on candidates that other people also wish to vote for, suggesting an overall strategy rather than honest scum hunting.

Khaan, on the other hand, votes for whomever, whether they're likely to be lynched or not. This is one of the few things that tells them apart.


I'm going to stick with Vote: khaan

John seems very focused on eliminating people with his vote. Khaan is more all over the place.


Unvote, Vote: TLD

I wasn't going to bother, but this will stop any clever plans involving last minute vote switches.

This sorta feels forced or nervous


I really should watch that some day.

Hmmm.

I'm not getting a leadership vibe from John, and I am getting a pattern where the murders very nicely compliment his lynches. He's come under no real pressure all game long from anyone, including myself.

You can see why I have difficulty drawing conclusions from this sort of behavior.



Okay. A thorough analysis of these posts leads me to the following conclusion:

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You guys are both geniuses at leaving very few tells.

John in particular, I have a hard time saying anything about any given individual post which either clears or condemns him.

Khaan is ambiguous in general, but certain posts lean one way or the other. But John has no posts I can say for certain make me certain about him. The best I can even say is that certain things sound forced, fake, or not genuine. But even then, usually only vaguely. I can't specify why, I can only point to my gut. Renata's "tell" on John, being pressuring his partners, does not apply here, because almost everyone John has voted for has been the lynch target of certain days. One of the few lynchees he didn't vote for was Diamondeye, and he issued a rare vote for a now-known townie instead of lynching Diamondeye.

Khaan-
Early game, ends up leaving his vote on candidates who do not get lynched.
Early game, ends up voting late in the round.
Does not unvote, ever.
Bounces around. Accuses Andres' suspect, turns around and accuses Andres, while the previous suspect still lives.
Ideas of sparing his partner never seem to match Khaan's behavior.
Is fine with leaving threats to himself alive, has come under pressure.
Is alternately aggressive and passive, but mostly passive and lurky.
Doesn't seem to have either bussed or spared his partner, if he's guilty.
I could characterize Khaan as being less wagon-y than usual.
Seems to be reacting to events round-by-round.
Khaan has actively accused me and voted for me.

John-
Much more active and chatty than Khaan.
More consistent, chasing down certain candidates until they die, moving on to the next.
Odd comments regarding Scienter.
Seems to be watching the thread much more closely than Khaan.
Odd reasoning on Andres.
Seems to be following others' cases, not making his own.
Only unvotes once, to join TLD's wagon.
Possibly has bussed his partner, which is typical of him as mafia.
I could characterize John as being more chatty than usual, which is typical of him as mafia.
Seems to be employing a more long-term strategy than Khaan.
John has never once voted for me, which is unusual for him.

Both-
Not very chatty at night.
Have voted for almost everyone who got lynched, the grand majority of them were and are still suspected mafia.
Have voted for very few known innocents.



Khaan's behavior can be characterized as scummy because of the way he tends to wait for the outcome of the round to be decided before placing his vote, in the early two-thirds of the game. This can be coincidental, and it can also be thought of as a null-tell because he is constantly lurky no matter what his role is. His vote is also a bit all over the place, which contradicts being cautious... At times he seems too passive, and then other times he's aggressive. He's inconsistent. Difficult to suggest there's a master strategy at work, or at least one that is recognizable other than randomness.

John's behavior can be characterized as chatty, and he tends to make comments I find odd. His voting pattern seems eager to destroy certain people in particular, but he also doesn't lead the charge against anyone. Odds are good if he's mafia he has bussed his partner, which he adores. I feel he's paying close attention to this game, unusually so, almost as if he is babysitting the thread. I have never pressured him except for a brief moment when I wanted him to vote for Chaotix, but I noticed I could just vote for Chaotix myself and tie it up. The fact that he's never once accused me feels deliberate.

Of the two, John actually feels like he's in control of the game, and acting in deliberate fashion to avoid all the major mafia traps. Khaan's scummy behavior is more typical of him, and that means I cannot read him as being different than usual, other than his departure from pure wagoning. But that's not such a huge variation that I can draw conclusions from.

I feel John is acting different from usual in a way I can draw a general conclusion from, which is that he cares a lot about what's happening, and is more cutthroat than usual.


There's a dark part of my heart that wants to kill Khaan just because he's got the enormous grapefruits to play this way as scum. I feel his performance is game-winning regardless of alignment. He's been scum so many times that I would be very hard pressed to catch him for acting off. He would never behave nervously, and there is no sign of partner interaction. He's careful enough to leave no tells at all, and I looked for them.

Khaan feels bold and reckless. John feels simultaneously cautious and cutthroat, and almost nervous, for him.

I gotta be me. Analysis Pizza says John is the real culprit. If Khaan is mafia, he's beaten me very, very soundly, and with diamond cojones, and I like that.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 07:18
Vote: Johnhughthom

Diamondeye
05-25-2011, 07:19
I really should watch that some day.

Me too! :sad:


My gut says ATPG. My brain also says ATPG. Oh, well that's good then. No conflict between the two.

Agree! Listen to the strawberry!


ATPG, when you win, this game will forever be known as "that game where nobody lynched ATPG even though they knew he was scum the whole time".

... Again. It's ATPG. Pretty please, Khaan, with sugar on top.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 07:35
Something about your post rubs me the wrong way, and I'm not talking about you using dead innocents as leverage to accuse me, although that is fairly scummy in and of itself. It's more the timing of it.

I can't tell if your post is either desperation at John's impending demise, or acting coupled with relief that I am guessing incorrectly. Will ponder that after I've done my own game stuff.

Reenk Roink
05-25-2011, 07:54
I'm way out of the loop now but I did skim this round.

Atpg's behavior is extremely suspicious here. He is active almost instantly but delays the vote. Why? Well, one guess is he wants to see what the other two are going to do. I think that's plausible. Then we have the really long analysis, but they seem forced to me. Then again, most analyses will, but in this case, what also bothers me is that I remember Atpg not suspecting john at all and rather suspecting khaan. Now things might have changed in the last several days, but honestly it just kinda looks like he threw in his vote after khaan did to lynch whoever's going to get lynched.

Now, I did remember suspecting john like a while back but that was a while back. I guess I still do, but you guys know better with what's gone on.

I'd probably go with Atpg based on this round's actions and Csar's gut. Still can't shake the feeling of john though... I don't think it's khaan. If it is than wow.

Anyway, if the town loses it's just like the Lightning in the ECF. Obviously the better team but it's hard to freaking beat the Bruins AND the refs.

Note: not implying you're the refs GH :bow:

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 07:58
Mmm. Oh yeah, I agree, I look like a total scum ball. And I'll certainly deserve a lynch when it comes my way.

That said, take a look at Diamondeye closely, and note the stance both John and Khaan took versus Diamondeye. After all this, I am starting to get a picture of Diamondeye being guilty and lynched early, by Khaan, with John's vote nowhere near that whole mess, and actually, on townie Chaotix.

The feeling I am getting is DE and Johnhughthom as mafia.

And yes, I did reverse. I had been leaning Khaan most of the round, and through about half of the analysis on John. I still have his name in red, thinking GE was Khaan's partner maybe. But, looking back, I am not really feeling GE anymore.

Visor
05-25-2011, 07:59
My dead finger points to JHT.

Reenk Roink
05-25-2011, 08:04
That said, take a look at Diamondeye closely, and note the stance both John and Khaan took versus Diamondeye. After all this, I am starting to get a picture of Diamondeye being guilty and lynched early, by Khaan, with John's vote nowhere near that whole mess, and actually, on townie Chaotix.

The feeling I am getting is DE and Johnhughthom as mafia.

Maybe. But wasn't DE going after you way earlier too? It looks like he's just wary of you, and not just trying to save john.

One other thing that bothers me is that the more recent kills seem to have targeted people who would have voted you in the end. Chaotix was a prime suspect when he was killed. Then there was Csar.

Visor
05-25-2011, 08:06
I wouldn't have voted Pizza. Yet down I go. I think it was because I lost all suspiscion.

Askthepizzaguy
05-25-2011, 08:13
Maybe. But wasn't DE going after you way earlier too? It looks like he's just wary of you, and not just trying to save john.

One other thing that bothers me is that the more recent kills seem to have targeted people who would have voted you in the end. Chaotix was a prime suspect when he was killed. Then there was Csar.

No, I don't even necessarily think he's trying to save John. It's also possible he's just here to have fun as a dead scumbag and confuse me.

He waited until I was done with my analysis to even say anything, and then he grabbed more credible sources to point at me from, because he knows as a lynchee he's got no credibility here.

I also would have thought Khaan would have voted me in the end. We sort of have this friendly archnemesis thing going on, which I enjoy immensely.

TheLastDays
05-25-2011, 09:07
I agree Atpg...

Look at last round, he first voted Khaan, probably thinking you'd follow through on your suspicions, gaining favour on your side and switched when it was clear that wouldn't work out

Andres
05-25-2011, 09:15
I think it's Pizza.

Renata
05-25-2011, 13:04
I think it's John. Pure gut instinct, though I'm sure I could back it up if I tried. And I think I will try, once I've had my coffee, you never know what'll turn up.

Khaan I have approximately no sense of. That's also not good.

AtPG pinged me a few times early on, but not so much lately; I'll save him for last.

Csargo
05-25-2011, 14:20
I wouldn't have voted Pizza. Yet down I go. I think it was because I lost all suspiscion.

Indeed.

I'm surprised by ATPG's vote. Did not figure it would end up on John. It makes me happy though.

Renata
05-25-2011, 15:01
Actually seeing Pizza's analysis on John, that's approximately what I would say, too. Except I still think it quite likely that it is Scienter who is his partner. John may indeed enjoy bussing, but in a no-reveals game? He avoided it with Kagemusha in Animus, and avoided it again with Husar in the late-game. And I've done the "I just don't see the case on my scumbuddy" routine before in such a situation and been successful with it. In fact one of the few hesitations I have as regards ATPG is how often we've differed on such things.

Where Pizza mostly succeeds in the "I'm not scum" sweepstakes (and where John to a lesser extent fails) is largely in terms of tone. For the most part he has failed to engage my "that is total BS" radar, as he so often does when he is scum. As well, I characterized John's votes earlier in the game as "safe safe safe", and that hasn't changed. Pizza has been anything but. As Pizza says applies between Khaan and John applies likewise for me between Pizza and John -- I instinctively want to reward the less cautious play. So my biases on the table, it's now time to go see if there's anything I missed in Pizza's play that would make me change my mind. And also to consider who he could be mafia with.

Diamondeye
05-25-2011, 16:07
Yet again, the "DE is scum" argument is used to castrate my words. For once, listen! Reenk is right that I have been suspicious of Pizza for a long time. I can't see why a scummer would keep ATPG alive this long, I simply can't, and ATPG has been all "tee hee I am scum" all over the place. I'd feel better losing to JHT or Khaan. Letting Pizza run away with this one is a big no-no.

I know I don't have that mumch credit as a lynchee, but you need to at least consider it..!

Renata
05-25-2011, 16:09
I don't think you're scum.

Romanic
05-25-2011, 16:11
DE is always Scum. :grin:

Reenk Roink
05-25-2011, 16:18
I can't shake off how anxious Atpg has seemed here. One thing I forgot to mention aside from what's been previously mentioned is how I don't like the self-votes. Also, I really think john would care more if he was mafia here (but maybe something came up?).

It looks like john is going to go down without a fight though, so let's hope it's him. :balloon3: If it's john or Atpg at least we can rest better knowing we flagged them, but if it's khaan then **** (I dunno but I'm getting slightly worried about khaan now though it's probably just useless worry because all the attention is to the other two).

Pretty darn good ending to the game though for all parties involved (unlike the Vancouver-San Jose game :laugh4:).

Diamondeye
05-25-2011, 16:30
I don't think you're scum.

:heart:


DE is always Scum. :grin:

No! :cry: You're mean! Look at my user title :tongue:

johnhughthom
05-25-2011, 17:52
Vote: khaan

seireikhaan
05-25-2011, 17:59
Unvote: johnhughthom

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

First to blink is scum.

GeneralHankerchief
05-25-2011, 18:47
Oh wow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXldafIl5DQ

Renata
05-25-2011, 19:52
Freaking awesome. :beam:

Renata
05-25-2011, 20:32
I don't think I even want to go look back anymore, it's not like there are going to be any smoking guns. I see where Reenk is coming from enough I don't think I want to sit here as a dead person and try to influence the outcome. Whoever wants to accuse someone should name their dead partner and back that up; that's about all.

Pass the popcorn.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 01:39
Unvote: johnhughthom

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

First to blink is scum.

*blink*

Renata
05-26-2011, 01:55
I expect to be amused. Work harder.

Csargo
05-26-2011, 03:47
This is fun. Like JHT's no reason vote for khaan.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 03:53
I expect to be amused. Work harder.

I have already stated my opinion on the matter, and will not be moving my vote off of Johnhughthom regardless of what happens.

My already verbose commentary for the game has ended, and I am awaiting the results.

seireikhaan
05-26-2011, 04:04
So who wants to do a group activity? Outside of lynching, we've been sorely lacking in that department.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 04:07
So who wants to do a group activity? Outside of lynching, we've been sorely lacking in that department.

I'm not sure John would be as into it as I would be.

johnhughthom
05-26-2011, 12:17
I'm not sure John would be as into it as I would be.

Are you saying I'm some sort of party pooper?

Visor
05-26-2011, 12:35
I doubt ATPG is scum. He wouldn't let the last two people be people he can't analyse properly.

Therefore IMO, JHT or Khaan is scum.

Andres
05-26-2011, 13:24
I doubt ATPG is scum. He wouldn't let the last two people be people he can't analyse properly.

Therefore IMO, JHT or Khaan is scum.

johnhughthom and 'khaan are both players who are very difficult to read. When they're scum, it's difficult to catch them. Most people feel very uncomfortable if 'khaan and johnhughthom are still alive in the end phase, because both always have this smell of scum around them no matter what role they have or how they behave. So, for a mafioso who has been under a lot of fire during several rounds, like e.g. Pizza in this game, leaving those two alive isn't a bad idea at all.

If only 'khaan or JHT had been left alive, I'd be very suspicious of 'khaan or JHT, but both of them being alive now just smells like a calculated move.

:shrug:

Visor
05-26-2011, 13:40
Well I'll guess we'll find out then. One day I'll be scum.... one day.

Scienter
05-26-2011, 15:29
So who wants to do a group activity? Outside of lynching, we've been sorely lacking in that department.

I'd toast masrhmellows, but I'm dead.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 15:37
I'm actually kind of curious, how many of you think I'm scum or very likely to be scum? For the record.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 16:43
I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty Pizza, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it.




O RLY?

So you're attacking my vote with a WIFOM argument that defends somebody else?

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

Just what I was looking for.


It's all the pizzaman's fault. :stare: I'm not tipping, and not because I'm dead.


Vote: Askthepizzaguy


Ok, ATPG, I tried to convince myself it was nothing before, but now I am sure of it.

Your playing is off. Sure, you're joking around and all that, but you never decide to just throw a game and vote for whoever you like.

You always vote for who you believe the mafia is.

And today, you are not doing that. Because you know I am not mafia. So that leaves only one option.

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

This camp isn't big enough for the two of us.



https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Clap.gif





Sorry guys, been out of town all weekend, just got back. I'll go back over the replies tomorrow evening, but for now...
vote: Askthepizzaguy


And I'm saying listen to my gut, and lynch ATPG.


I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours' :rolleyes:

It's ATPG and Scienter.


Who wants to bet its actually ATPG and Andres?


Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius :bow:


You're still guilty.


Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?

I think you sticking to the attack is your way of showing you can't handle the pressure. You're guilty.



https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Haters.jpg




It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.


Vote: Askthepizzaguy


@Reenk

Yes, Pizza has put Chaotix into the tie. One of the reasons I don't think they're scumbuddies and why I said it's probably option b), Chaotix is Pizza's scapegoat.


Once again, you are apparently only capable of attacking the posts of mine which happen to be clearly jokes. I already told you I was going to keep voting you till you die.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM


Just a couple of things of interest from looking at the votes from the previous rounds:

TheLastDays has voted for the person lynched on every day.

ATPG has voted for the person lynched 3 out of 5 rounds

Csargo has voted for the person lynched 3 out of 5 rounds

ATPG and Scienter have voted together 3 out of 5 rounds(4 if you want to count Day 4 where ATPG switched his vote from Chaotix to Scienter towards the end of the round making it a tie. Scienter was never in danger since ATPG could have changed his vote at any time. They've also focused on Chaotix mainly up until the Andres lynch.

ATPG and Scienter have voted an innocent twice(Chaotix in both cases)

ATPG has also voted with JHT, TLD, and Visorslah 3 out of 5 rounds

Csargo and TLD have voted together 3 out of 5 rounds

JHT and Visorslash have voted together 3 out of 5 rounds

I have a strong feeling that ATPG is guilty. Scienter may be as well, but I'm not as sure. TLD is also a possibility but that's only because he's been in on every lynch.

Vote:ATPG



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I'm torn between Visor and ATPG.


What. You know perfectly well that doesn't ring true.

Unvote; Vote: ATPG


Scienter is my first suspect.
ATPG is my second.
Csargo is third.


Grar... I told you, I've been getting my hat handed to me by my summer courses. Vote:Askthepizzaguy Because you being alive now means you'll never die, and I don't want to take that risk.


Oh, look at that.

Andres is dead.

Chaotix is dead.

Now the only people who were going after ATPG are dead and gone.

And guess who's going to get a free ride to the finish line?

Well played, ATPG, you've got the game in your pocket now.




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Scum are ATPG and Scienter, ATPG bussed Scienter to get himself a free ride to the end.


And Pizza still sounds off.


Pizza should die this round.


Indeed it is. You're all fools for not seeing it sooner. :evil:


Oh god it's totally you two, isn't it?


Look at ATPG...

SO certain both he and khaan are going to survive the night.

It's almost as if he's the one calling the shots...


My gut says ATPG. My brain also says ATPG. Oh, well that's good then. No conflict between the two.



https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Pony2.png




ATPG, when you win, this game will forever be known as "that game where nobody lynched ATPG even though they knew he was scum the whole time".


Well JHT is second on the list. That's who I would have voted if I was still alive, but since I'm dead you're my first choice.


... Again. It's ATPG. Pretty please, Khaan, with sugar on top.


I'm way out of the loop now but I did skim this round.

Atpg's behavior is extremely suspicious here. He is active almost instantly but delays the vote. Why? Well, one guess is he wants to see what the other two are going to do. I think that's plausible. Then we have the really long analysis, but they seem forced to me. Then again, most analyses will, but in this case, what also bothers me is that I remember Atpg not suspecting john at all and rather suspecting khaan. Now things might have changed in the last several days, but honestly it just kinda looks like he threw in his vote after khaan did to lynch whoever's going to get lynched.

Now, I did remember suspecting john like a while back but that was a while back. I guess I still do, but you guys know better with what's gone on.

I'd probably go with Atpg based on this round's actions and Csar's gut.



https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/Nyan.png




I think it's Pizza.


Yet again, the "DE is scum" argument is used to castrate my words. For once, listen! Reenk is right that I have been suspicious of Pizza for a long time. I can't see why a scummer would keep ATPG alive this long, I simply can't, and ATPG has been all "tee hee I am scum" all over the place. I'd feel better losing to JHT or Khaan. Letting Pizza run away with this one is a big no-no.

I know I don't have that mumch credit as a lynchee, but you need to at least consider it..!


I can't shake off how anxious Atpg has seemed here. One thing I forgot to mention aside from what's been previously mentioned is how I don't like the self-votes. Also, I really think john would care more if he was mafia here (but maybe something came up?).


johnhughthom and 'khaan are both players who are very difficult to read. When they're scum, it's difficult to catch them. Most people feel very uncomfortable if 'khaan and johnhughthom are still alive in the end phase, because both always have this smell of scum around them no matter what role they have or how they behave. So, for a mafioso who has been under a lot of fire during several rounds, like e.g. Pizza in this game, leaving those two alive isn't a bad idea at all.

If only 'khaan or JHT had been left alive, I'd be very suspicious of 'khaan or JHT, but both of them being alive now just smells like a calculated move.

:shrug:


It's Pizza.


Unvote: johnhughthom

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

First to blink is scum.



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*Sprinkle magic dust*



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Andres
05-26-2011, 16:53
You can add this one in:

Pizza seems so desperate that he simply MUST be guilty. In fact, if it turns out he's innocent, I won't believe it. It will be just another one of those fake endings. Whatever ending that lists Pizza as innocent is fake, fake, fake. He's guilty. G-U-I-L-T-Y. Do I need to spell it out again? P-I-Z-Z-A I-S G-U-I-L-T-Y.

Renata
05-26-2011, 16:54
Well I'd still be voting for JHT, if I could. That doesn't mean I'm remotely confident I'm correct, about either of the other two of you.

Take it as a compliment, Pizza-scum. :beam:

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 16:56
You can add this one in:

Pizza seems so desperate that he simply MUST be guilty. In fact, if it turns out he's innocent, I won't believe it. It will be just another one of those fake endings. Whatever ending that lists Pizza as innocent is fake, fake, fake. He's guilty. G-U-I-L-T-Y. Do I need to spell it out again? P-I-Z-Z-A I-S G-U-I-L-T-Y.


I am nervous, very very nervous. Sweat is pouring down my face. My nerves are shot. My hands are shaking, trembling.... could this be it? Could this really be happening?


*leans in and kisses Andres on his bean-covered lips*



Whoooo! I feel better now. :2thumbsup:

Andres
05-26-2011, 17:00
With that post, he makes it impossible not to lynch him. We simply can't afford to let him live and then have him winning this game as mafia. Even if I would be 99,99 % sure that it's one of the other guys, I still would lynch Pizza. A 0,01 % chance that he wins this game as mafia after that post and all his claims of being mafia is a risk I, for one, wouldn't want to take.

If he's mafia and we let him live after that post and all those times he claimed scum, we'll all be the GR's laughingstock for years. No, can't have that. Even if GH would now make a post to say it's 'khaan or JHT, then we still need to lynch Pizza. Even if the chance he's mafia would be only 0,00000000000000000000000000001 %, we can't have it. No. Even if he would be guaranteed innocent, we can't have it. Imagine the host saying, "oops, mistake, I meant 'khaan, not Pizza". No, no, no.

Andres
05-26-2011, 17:01
I am nervous, very very nervous. Sweat is pouring down my face. My nerves are shot. My hands are shaking, trembling.... could this be it? Could this really be happening?


*leans in and kisses Andres on his bean-covered lips*



Whoooo! I feel better now. :2thumbsup:

NOW YOU MUST DIE!!!

NECROPHILIAC!

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 17:02
Oh Andres, I do declare, I can barely walk after the loving you've shown me this game.

TheLastDays
05-26-2011, 20:04
Haha at least this is entertaining to watch :D

I still don't think Pizza is scum. He doesn't have the cojones to play it like that, not even Pizza...

Kagemusha
05-26-2011, 20:06
Pizza has the cojones to do anything and everything.:bow:

Diamondeye
05-26-2011, 20:17
Pizza that was an amazing post and some amazing pics.

But you're still scum :smug:

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 20:52
Hmmm....

I have already stated that I think it is John, and I wouldn't move my vote. In a few hours, the round ends. If I don't move my vote and Khaan doesn't move his vote, that means the mafia will win regardless of who is guilty (Besides obviously guilty me, of course). I was planning on not moving my vote to Khaan regardless, because I already pointed at my suspect. That said, a zero percent chance of winning the game probably doesn't appeal to my dead colleagues who all think I'm guilty.

As a result, I think the best thing I can do, to honor their memory, is to

Keep my vote on johnhughthom. :laugh4:

*blows raspberries at you*

Csargo
05-26-2011, 20:59
JHT needs to be lynched at this point.

I'd rather lose to ATPG who actually put effort into making a case, then JHT who just voted khaan.

Renata
05-26-2011, 21:36
How strange.

If ATPG keeps to his pledge, then Khaan cannot be lynched. ATPG can be lynched if JHT switches and Khaan does not. JHT can be lynched if Khaan switches. Status quo I sincerely hope doesn't happen (because that'd be lame, scum, whoever you are), but wouldn't it just extend the day, regardless?

Csargo
05-26-2011, 21:47
How strange.

If ATPG keeps to his pledge, then Khaan cannot be lynched. ATPG can be lynched if JHT switches and Khaan does not. JHT can be lynched if Khaan switches. Status quo I sincerely hope doesn't happen (because that'd be lame, scum, whoever you are), but wouldn't it just extend the day, regardless?

Yeah, it would. I'm hoping GH will let us dead folks vote if that's the case. :grin:

Reenk Roink
05-26-2011, 21:51
JHT needs to be lynched at this point.

I'd rather lose to ATPG who actually put effort into making a case, then JHT who just voted khaan.

I kinda feel this now.

john has been suspicious for far longer than Atpg, but Atpg's actions this round are more than worthy of a kill. It would be kinda disappointing if he turned out to be innocent but there was more to go on for him in this round at least so that would take most of that away. But then again, I thought john needed to go for a long time (good job town we wouldn't be in this situation had you just killed him earlier would we :stare:).

What really bothers me is how john just brushes it off at this stage though. And he votes khaan, which is just blasphemy. This situation should be inherently exciting but aside from that there is literally no drama. I blame john for a lot of that.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 21:53
Yeah, it would. I'm hoping GH will let us dead folks vote if that's the case. :grin:

I'm hoping he accepts it as a No Lynch, so we lose due to sheer incompetence, with me awake at the switch, but apathetic to the results. I want the writeup to be Khaan beating Johnhughthom to death with a flaming log as I watch, then turning to me and asking if I'd be willing to vote for him now. That's when I will shout "NO" and throw myself onto the campfire, burning myself alive, as Khaan giggles with glee.

Renata
05-26-2011, 22:02
Gee thanks, Pizza. You know that's exactly what the first ending is going to be, now.

Diamondeye
05-26-2011, 22:03
I'm hoping he accepts it as a No Lynch, so we lose due to sheer incompetence, with me awake at the switch, but apathetic to the results. I want the writeup to be Khaan beating Johnhughthom to death with a flaming log as I watch, then turning to me and asking if I'd be willing to vote for him now. That's when I will shout "NO" and throw myself onto the campfire, burning myself alive, as Khaan giggles with glee.

There GH you don't need to do the last writeup.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 22:03
Gee thanks, Pizza. You know that's exactly what the first ending is going to be, now.

The first ending will be me killing everyone, to satisfy the suspicions of over half the players.


It will also be the last ending. :evil: BWAHAAHAHAA

Renata
05-26-2011, 22:07
I don't know why I bother watching at the moment. I should just turn up again around next Wednesday, to spare myself the inevitable fake-out.

Renata
05-26-2011, 22:10
The first ending will be me killing everyone, to satisfy the suspicions of over half the players.


It will also be the last ending. :evil: BWAHAAHAHAA

OK, now you're just asking for it.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 22:23
OK, now you're just asking for it.

I've been asking for it for the better part of the game now. And it feeds into what Andres was saying.

Now you must kill me, lest the small percent chance of me actually being guilty comes true. You don't want that now. It would go straight to my head, and make everyone feel icky. No, you must kill me as a preventative measure. Losing to John or Khaan is how the game must end. That is the only outcome we can accept, because it's the only rational thing to do.


MUST.... PRESS.... LYNCH PIZZA.... BUTTON


SHINY.... CANDY-LIKE BUTTON....


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seireikhaan
05-26-2011, 22:29
Ok, fine. I'll do it. I'll bring up the obvious wifom-bomb. If I was mafia, john, why the heck would I have moved my vote to pizza when it seemed so clear that pizza was decided upon you? Why, given a comfy 2-1 vote tally, which I could ride to easy victory, would I tie everything up? And why on earth would I then finally desperately point out the absurdity of the decision in such a wifom-laden post such as this? Why? What part of that is in any way logical for the mafioso trying to win? It makes no sense, and that you keep your vote on me practically ensures I will have to switch my vote back to you come the deadline. Use common sense from the viewpoint of me and pizzaguy. You've got about 3 hours to realize I'm innocent. If you don't, and you're innocent, you doom the town to a greasy, cheesy doom. Heck, even if you're guilty you should be switching your vote to Pizzaguy and hope it convinces me to not switch back.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 22:32
Ok, fine. I'll do it. I'll bring up the obvious wifom-bomb. If I was mafia, john, why the heck would I have moved my vote to pizza when it seemed so clear that pizza was decided upon you? Why, given a comfy 2-1 vote tally, which I could ride to easy victory, would I tie everything up? And why on earth would I then finally desperately point out the absurdity of the decision in such a wifom-laden post such as this? Why? What part of that is in any way logical for the mafioso trying to win?

Why would I behave the way I am behaving if I am a townie trying to win? Why would I continue to tickle the WIFOM-nerves of everyone who is calling for my head by confirming their suspicions?

The same reason you'd push your vote onto me as mafia. Because it's funny and adds to the dramatic tension. You're enjoying the heck out of this.


It makes no sense, and that you keep your vote on me practically ensures I will have to switch my vote back to you come the deadline. Use common sense from the viewpoint of me and pizzaguy. You've got about 3 hours to realize I'm innocent. If you don't, and you're innocent, you doom the town to a greasy, cheesy doom. Heck, even if you're guilty you should be switching your vote to Pizzaguy and hope it convinces me to not switch back.

Making sense isn't our objective here, it's to have fun.

Go on, enjoy it. You've earned it if you're scum, and if you're innocent, I feel a lot better about where my vote is.

seireikhaan
05-26-2011, 22:39
Why would I behave the way I am behaving if I am a townie trying to win? Why would I continue to tickle the WIFOM-nerves of everyone who is calling for my head by confirming their suspicions?

The same reason you'd push your vote onto me as mafia. Because it's funny and adds to the dramatic tension. You're enjoying the heck out of this.



Making sense isn't our objective here, it's to have fun.

Go on, enjoy it. You've earned it if you're scum, and if you're innocent, I feel a lot better about where my vote is.
Yes, I'm enjoying it. But talk is cheap, votes are where its at. You've been having lots of good fun between your posts, but when it comes down to it, you still vote to win. You spent like 2 pages of documentation on why you thought JHT was a better lynch choice than me. Why? Either to trick the town into voting your way(as scum) or because you genuinely believe the analysis and that's who you feel is mafia. Or maybe even a bit of both, hard to tell what craziness runs through your head sometimes. :beam: But yeah, you can call yourself scum and tease dead townies all you want, but your vote still came down to winning. Enjoying ourselves comes as kind of a 1A to the 1 of winning. Yes, I enjoy the three-way showdown, and I giggled hysterically at GH's reaction. But it also served a point, imo. Because, simply put, votes matter, even as impermeable and ever-changing as they can be. And I, if I was mafia, legitimately reduced my chance of success. Its not like there aren't other ways to enjoy myself while I cruise to victory.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 22:45
Bah. You could have expected me to switch to you, thus making me look opportunistic in front of johnhughthom, who could have voted with you to win the game.

I get the feeling you'd rather win in a daring and dramatic fashion, not the straightforward way. You love being mafia. Just being alive at this stage of the game and in a position where you can triumph has got to be putting you in a plenty carefree and fun-loving mood. Even should you lose, you'd lose in a way that was true to who you are, and didn't feel sneaky or cowardly.

There's also the fact that you cannot really rely on me to keep my word and not switch to you at the very end just for the lols, and to be the dramatic finish to our long-standing rivalry. Maybe you'd feel a lot safer if you had John's vote on me.

I can easily explain all of your actions as being guilty ones, if I wanted to. They do fit who you are. The testament to who you are as a mafia player is that even now, when I could explain this as your final dazzling strategy, I can't describe it as any different from how you'd play it as a townie. You are unsinkable.

seireikhaan
05-26-2011, 22:59
Well I won't lie, I do love being mafia, that much you are correct. And yes, it is very much fun to win in a daring, dramatic fashion- you're very much aware of this. At the same time, such flair is always best reserved for times of flexibility, where there's some room for error. There is no such thing in a round of 3. And yes, I would be more comfortable with JHT's vote on you. However, that is irrelevant. If I'm town, I don't want it on me because a lynch of me means insta-loss. Ditto for if I'm mafia. At this point, any chance of me being lynched means I lose, no matter what my alignment is. And don't forget, every so often, I actually do what is in the best interest of my winning, ala back in Capo III when I could have screwed the town and gone mafia when I was director and spared CR and Sasaki. But I figured that was a losing proposition. Granted... that's a bit of a poor comparison, crazy huge game vs vanilla small game, but whatever.

Also, don't underestimate my desire to be sneaky. :smartass:

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 23:01
Correction: Daring, dramatic behavior is best reserved for times when it's actually daring or dramatic, such as in situations where you can't afford to be flexible.

:wiseguy:

Reenk Roink
05-26-2011, 23:07
Cool stories bros; GH could you end the voting round soon IF you are going to allow us dead townies to vote? I'm heading out for memorial day weekend late tonight so I won't have computer access until maybe Saturday. If not then carry on. :bow:

seireikhaan
05-26-2011, 23:09
Oh hush, you and your logic, Pizzadude. :tongue: Can we qualify a difference between daring and insane? Hmm.... nah. Either way, I still feel like my original point stands and JHT should be voting for you instead of me. Soo.... uh, do it, JHT.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 23:12
Oh hush, you and your logic, Pizzadude. :tongue: Can we qualify a difference between daring and insane? Hmm.... nah. Either way, I still feel like my original point stands and JHT should be voting for you instead of me. Soo.... uh, do it, JHT.

Maybe he's townie and he really, really thinks you're guilty and doesn't want to argue with me over it.

Maybe I'll just switch to you, Khaan. :idea2:

seireikhaan
05-26-2011, 23:16
Maybe he's townie and he really, really thinks you're guilty and doesn't want to argue with me over it.

Maybe I'll just switch to you, Khaan. :idea2:
Well, it wouldn't be very nice of you. 'Course, if you're mafia, that'd be actually a pretty solid decision since I guess JHT is just really that convinced of my guiltiness. In that case, I guess you might as well and go ahead.

Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2011, 23:28
Well, it wouldn't be very nice of you. 'Course, if you're mafia, that'd be actually a pretty solid decision since I guess JHT is just really that convinced of my guiltiness. In that case, I guess you might as well and go ahead.

I ain't gonna. What's the point of trying to decide who is guilty by analyzing their behavior, then flushing such an analysis out of convenience? John's guilty. He's more than willing to say nothing, because 48 hours is a long time for doubt to sink in. I'm willing to risk the game on my call. Sometimes I make bad calls. Maybe my record in such situations isn't any better than flipping a coin. But I'd still rather decide for myself who I think is guilty rather than flip a coin, removing most of the tension and all of the fun of this game.

If it is you, Khaan, then "we should have lynched you sooner, and not left tempting targets like Pizza and John alive." But that's still garbage. I like the idea of having to pick between you based on nothing but your track record, and I don't care that there were cheap ways of avoiding the situation by removing certain players and not really trying to scum-hunt, just prepare an easy-ish endgame and deny certain players the ability to win.

As far as I'm concerned, the ending can go directly to a three-way tie, which either of you can break at your leisure.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 00:58
Yes, I'm watching, no, I'm not moving my vote.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:01
*checks time*

Ooooh.... kinda pokes a hole in the whole I'm guilty theory. :beam:

I could has won the game. Instead, I'm a silly townie.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:06
I should break the tie myself and vote for you, Khaan, just to give the townies any chance at all of winning, but I see you baby, and you could have won as mafia yourself. So you're either townie or you're mafia with a flair for the dramatic.

I :heart: you regardless. Make it painful and blood-curdling.

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 01:15
Looks like we've a pair of silly townies.

I look forward to sharing the end with you, dearest pizza. :heart:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA8AAAAPCAIAAAC0tAIdAAABL0lEQVQokYWRwYqDMBCGfYZCwDcpFPQJpLee+xCFQ g9LDwUvhZ5FbJBQRWiRUlAkbJCAD+FtX0OK+O8hqVp32R3mMpMvk3/+GMYoTEJMQibluKPDse06ilBVdRQ5tq075zPyvPY8x7LeUFTVOPfrNYRAniPLkKZIU2ex0LSaOqSUEAJFgTzH/Y7bDUlSn04mIYZJCKRUnLoMKRWqyyRBHCOOzdnsdSzlQHOupurycgFjYEwvDiH060KAc2SZFhDHYKwLw5bSLgz17PJ4BOcoikHr9 arQltKW0mcQfG63L08sqxdaHg49qohnEDS+78zng4ml6+LxQJruV6u++bFcNr7f+D7fbKYf9OV5EwEKrV13ir6ZxZjSqujf0bFf/XJ/oXqH3a4Lw8GEf0Nb+yO+AUlwDMKAbasEAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 01:16
You mean you haven't watched it yet?

Vote: johnhughthom
Actually, it looks like johnhughtom is going to be lynched anyways. ~D

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:19
All right. GH, come on, let's do this thing. Be sure to use the ending I concocted where Khaan kills John first and I still refuse to vote for him. That's about the long and the short of it.

johnhughthom
05-27-2011, 01:20
Okay, it's been said this tense finale has been kinda spoiled by my inactivity. In my defence I have been in work for approximately 36 of the last 48 hours and 58 of the the last 72. I've popped in and out of the forums a few times, but haven't had the time to do a defense this situation deserves. Whaterver nice things are said about my mafia playing, I doubt anyone would say I am good at defending myself against a case. My defense is usually a :shrug: and a meh. It's not me, I think it's khaan, my vote ain't moving.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:22
Well then I guessed wrong and we deserve to lose. So be it.

Switch your vote to me, John!

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:26
Khaan, he doesn't want to kill me. Can you please do the honors, then?

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 01:28
Khaan, he doesn't want to kill me. Can you please do the honors, then?
Can't, darling. My vote's already on you. Plus, I left my shanking knife back at mother's place.

johnhughthom
05-27-2011, 01:30
Fine. Let's get it over with. Unvote, Vote: Atpg

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:30
Can't, darling. My vote's already on you. Plus, I left my shanking knife back at mother's place.

So you guys are waiting for me to say it, then? Fine.


John and Khaan are both guilty, and guilty-looking Pizza was the only townie left standing.

Balloon to everyone who guessed it.

:balloon:

Renata
05-27-2011, 01:40
'Twas a good game.

Renata
05-27-2011, 01:40
Except for Zack's lynch. That was sad.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 01:41
I really enjoyed this ending, though. GH figured out how to make fake endings without needing to post a quicktopic: Just have a whole fake round. :bow:

Truly, I am among masters. And since JHT and Khaan were pretty low on everyone's suspect list, the townies got a truly deserved whoopin'.

Reenk Roink
05-27-2011, 01:56
So you guys are waiting for me to say it, then? Fine.


John and Khaan are both guilty, and guilty-looking Pizza was the only townie left standing.

Balloon to everyone who guessed it.

:balloon:

So town actually won on the previous lynch and GH just told you three to continue on? I realize that it's harder and harder to make good fake endings GH but this is taking it too far. :juggle2:

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 02:00
I refuse to believe that my performance this game was a winning one. You can sorta tell from the fact that john appeared after it was apparent no one was going to move their vote, and that neither one did it right away, that they were in on the joke.

Therefore, both are guilty, and no matter what sort of analysis I did, I'd only be half right.

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 02:02
hmmm.... whatever pizza's ranting on about is not correct. We're still basically waiting on a confirmation of round ending. I think, if its allowed....

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Johnhughthom

For going back on his word like half an hour later, and I actually don't mind too much if pizza wins after this much work.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 02:04
Hey, it IS the Nomi Sunrider ending all over again, except this time I don't have Jedi powers to fight off both Sith Lords.

Holy poop on a stick, I even predicted the ending by accident. :laugh4:

That's fine, I should have lost that game anyway. This is the universe balancing itself out.


@Khaan, ROFL. You're awesome. Thanks for keeping up the charade all through the entire round. You did make it very entertaining, and I got to express my happy frustration with the peeps who insisted I was guilty and needed to die.

WISH.... GRANTED!!! :bounce:

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 02:07
Ok, I am now ignoring this thread for a minimum of an hour so I can finish papers I've been procrastinating on(for a whole day). Keep tight, y'all.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 02:07
All right, stand back now Khaan, you too John. You see, I have a kind of gonnorhea that is transmitted by sneezing, and I'm allergic to being murdered.

GeneralHankerchief
05-27-2011, 02:35
Voting closed.

I have just come back from roughly 5 hours of driving around various parts of New Jersey today and still have 3 pages of this thread to read, so please give me some time.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 02:40
Voting closed.

I have just come back from roughly 5 hours of driving around various parts of New Jersey today and still have 3 pages of this thread to read, so please give me some time.

I only have two very important questions.

Did you find Seamus Fermanagh, and is he still the Commissioner of Fatlington, New Jersey?

Visor
05-27-2011, 03:16
So JHT is lynched? Hmm. Waiting for the writeup eagerly.

Chaotix
05-27-2011, 03:30
So close, yet so far away.

Enjoy your sweet, sweet victory ATPG.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 03:33
So close, yet so far away.

Enjoy your sweet, sweet victory ATPG.

Who, me? http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/mischief.gif

Chaotix
05-27-2011, 04:03
Not just you, of course.

I will be sharing in that victory.

Because, in reality, it was me and Pizza all along! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

Remember when I was about to be lynched, but he took his vote off me? That's right, it was all about saving his scumbuddy.

And then we agreed to kill me off so that I could continue to throw more and more pressure on him but have a weaker and weaker influence and not actually be able to get him lynched.

So, not only has he told you he is mafia, but you had his dead scumbuddy leading you right to him this ENTIRE time. And still, you failed to lynch him.

OUR VICTORY IS COMPLETE.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 04:08
Too bad that theory isn't plausible due to teh rulez.

At least my theory that Khaan and John have been toying with us for 2 days has merit. Too bad I've helped lynch off anyone who could have stopped them.

Guess I have no choice but to use the Force.... AGAIN....

Pew pew pew, you're dead Khaan.

Pew pew pew, you're dead John.

It's true because it rhymes.

GeneralHankerchief
05-27-2011, 04:46
Clinton, Iowa
Day 8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EujDcc2xEUI

The three remaining survivors had agreed on some ground rules before they began the day's voting, since it was certain to be a messier affair than on the previous days. First of all, it would be voice vote only. On previous days they had gotten by with makeshift pencils and paper and handed all of their votes to a mutually agreed-upon votemaster to tally everything up. Today, however, given the circumstances this would prove to be folly. Second of all, the method of execution, for means of convenience, would be a 2-on-1 flaming log beatdown due to the nature of how the outcome would be. Thirdly, and most importantly, the voting would conclude when the last sliver of the sun disappeared over the Mississippi, no matter what.

They three sat around the campfire. There had been little discussion at first - most people had made the decision in their heads. Yaseikhaan voted for johnhughthom, half-heartedly joking around as he did so. Askthepizzaguy backed up khaan on this and also voted for JHT after a 17-minute discourse on why exactly he was doing this that left the other two more confused about why Pizza was voting for JHT now than before he had started speaking. johnhughthom, outnumbered and sensing defeat, placed his vote on khaan without comment. ATPG, sensing closure, picked up his log and brought it closer to the campfire.

However, that's when khaan spoke again. "Ah ah ah, not so fast, Pizzaguy. I'm switching my vote over to you. First one to blink is scum."

And that's where the waiting began. ATPG just laughed, partially out of shock, and partially out of pure amusement. Of course it would come down to this, after all. JHT simply sat in silence, noting his change in fortunes without comment.

Hours passed in silence.

The small sounds of nature, the background, ambient noises that people had failed to notice for the first week they were the "guests" of the campground in Clinton, Iowa, finally came to the forefront in the absence of any other sound since the only three people to make them sat and waited, monitoring the progress of the sun. The rushing of the Mississippi River, that great American landmark, dividing the country into East and West, finally having returned to its usual height after the freak storm of the past week. The slow, soft crackling of the fire against the wood that it ate to sustain itself. Nobody made any move to add more fuel to the fire, since after tonight, there would be no point to it. The rustling of the trees that framed the campground and the creatures that lay within. Those woods had been deadly, claiming their share of victims over the week, some who had penetrated them deeper than others.

The sun crawled its way to the horizon.

Despite the slow drop in temperature, sweat beads were starting to form over the three survivors' faces. There was a possibility that this was due to the fact that they had been so close to the fire for so long, but the fire was not that strong. Everybody knew the real reason was nerves. So close to the end, the pressure was getting to all of them, innocent or guilty. One of the three moved to wipe away his sweat. Time marched on.

Inch by inch, second by second, the sun continued its dip.

Three pairs of eyes flickered across the campfire to each other now, each waiting for the first to make the first move. Still though, there was silence. Even the ambient sounds now had dropped off, as if the entire world had stopped what it was doing to watch and wait, watch these three men who had been through so much and wait for the sun to finish its descent in the meantime. There were only seconds left now.

The sun dipped some more... and then it was gone. The earth was now only illuminated by twilight and the campfire.

And finally, the silence was broken. "So now what?"

The question went unanswered. However, something had changed. All three men went for their logs and dipped them into the fire. The flames caught on all three, and now all three of them held them up, only steps away from each other.

Tick.

The sweat was pouring down everyone's faces now. Nobody was quite sure what to do. A million options went through everybody's head individually per second, but it all came down to the one horrible truth for each of them: all of them were too frozen with fear to make the first move. There would be no tricks; nobody would pull out a gun and waste one of their competitors when people weren't looking. All they had was their wits.

Tick.

Every second was an eternity. Children were born, lived their lives, raised families of their own, and died in the time it took for the seconds digit on a watch to flick.

Tick.

Finally, the silence was broken. johnhughthom raised his log and his voice. "I change my vote," he said. "I'm going for Pizza."

Suddenly, everything broke. The spell that time seemed to have over the three of them ended instantly, and things happened very quickly in the next few instances, as if to make up for lost time.

Askthepizzaguy looked crestfallen. There was no time to react, no time to talk his way out of this one. All he barely had to do was lift his own fiery log in self-defense. JHT looked determined, ready to put and end to the round that should have finished several days ago, and moved in for the kill against ATPG. But nobody saw the expression on Yaseikhaan's face, or even where khaan was at all. With ghostly speed, he crossed over the fire, raised his log, and thwacked JHT over the head with a lethal blow before JHT had the time to move against Pizza for good.

As johnhughthom's corpse lay bleeding over the ground, ATPG looked over at khaan, in wordless shock.

"Three things," khaan said. "One, I change my vote to JHT. Two, I was just enforcing the rules. He voted after sunset."

It took ATPG a second or two to find his voice, his eyes still unimaginably wide. "...a-and three?" he stammered out.

"He blinked first."

The two men retired to their tents for the night.

Day 8 tally:

johnhughthom: 2 (Askthepizzaguy, Yaseikhaan) :skull:
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (johnhughthom)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: 2
Yaseikhaan
Askthepizzaguy

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Visorslash
Csargo

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
Scienter
TheLastDays
johnhughthom

It is now Night 8. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours. If you know the result, hush. I like to leave you all in suspense. :evilgrin:

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 04:52
Freaking fantastic writeup. I eagerly await tomorrow's verdict.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 04:56
I demand celebratory lovemaking.

Visor
05-27-2011, 05:07
What is this, I don't even....

Csargo
05-27-2011, 05:09
That's not even right GH.

seireikhaan
05-27-2011, 05:12
I demand celebratory lovemaking.
As long as you're ready to help care for our turquoise love-child. :heart:

GeneralHankerchief
05-27-2011, 05:14
I'd just like to point out that there's a very good chance that this game will get more replies than Mafia III, which had 39 players.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 05:30
Hello?? Pizzaguy playing this game!

:laugh4:

Visor
05-27-2011, 07:12
I had a high post count here until I was murdered. :(

Still second though.

Diamondeye
05-27-2011, 07:23
'Twas a good game.

Except for Zack's lynch. That was sad.

Indeed!


All right, stand back now Khaan, you too John. You see, I have a kind of gonnorhea that is transmitted by sneezing, and I'm allergic to being murdered.

I can't believe you used that excuse :tongue:


Freaking fantastic writeup. I eagerly await tomorrow's verdict.

Me too! Awesome! Way to go Khaan one-liner! "He blinked first"... I think we all know who had the largest diamonds in that writeup, Pizza.

Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2011, 07:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't flip my vote around, so the only one with steel nerves was me, regardless of our host's creative interpretation.

GeneralHankerchief
05-28-2011, 04:59
Clinton, Iowa
Night 8

Day breaks in Clinton. All is quiet.

Outside of the campground, a squadron of official vehicles (and some news media) were in position to move in. They had been positioned there for some days now, ever since the town’s inhabitants had started reporting gunfire and other suspicious noises emanating from the campground. Aerial photos taken only two days back had confirmed it – there were people there, isolated and getting dangerously low on supplies, and at the same time going through a very disturbing ritual in which they sat around the campfire for hours at a time before one of them would get hit by a flaming log.

All of this proved evidence enough for the Clinton Chief of Police, and in coordination with the director of the Clinton Department of Parks and Recreation, he would move in as soon as the one access road leading in and out of the campground had dried enough to be able to safely accommodate car traffic. They could have brought in special terrain vehicles or done a helicopter fly-in to get the job done quicker, but the city was still feeling the effects of the recession and the budget was stretched thin enough already.

Mere minutes before the Chief was ready to give the order, however, his emergency-only phone went off. Grumbling, he rummaged through his pockets and picked it up. The thing always seemed to ring in the most inconvenient of moments. At least he wasn’t enjoying some special time alone with his wife this time around… “Hello?”

“Chief, this is Matt Hoopolopopo, Director of the Clinton Hospital for the Criminally Insane. I’m sorry to bother you like this, but I have important information regarding your current rescue operation at the campground.”

“Go ahead, Director.”

“Well,” said the Director, “As you know, we’ve worked together over the past week or so trying to track down the recent, ah, escapees from our facility. And as we both know, there really haven’t been any leads yet. So last night, I got curious and analyzed some of the overhead aerial photos of the campground and the people currently trapped there, and I found some disturbing results.”

The Chief paused, not quite sure how to take this news. “Where are you going with this, Director?”

“After closely analyzing the aerial photos and cross-referencing them with our own patient database, I’ve found a match for two of the campers.”

“You mean to say that –”

The Chief was cut off. “Yes,” said the Director. “Both escapees have been sticking together and hiding out at the campground, preying on the campers already trapped there and picking them off one by one. Chief, I don’t know how many men you have with you for this rescue operation, but these were two of our most dangerous patients. I advise you handle them with extreme care.”

After getting the names and their physical descriptions from the Director, the Chief thanked him for letting him know and hung up. The three officers with him, plus the workers from the Department of Parks and Recreation, who had heard the entire conversation, looked at him expectantly afterwards.

“Should we get more men?” one of them asked. “You heard the Director, these guys could do anything out there.”

“Negative,” the Chief said, shaking his head. “We are the Clinton Police Department. We have better numbers, better arms, and they are most likely near starving at this point unless there is a seriously good forager amongst them. You know your targets. The access road is finally dry, and we’re going in now. Any moment we delay could mean they kill somebody else. Parks Department, stay back. My boys, we’re going in!”

The engines roared and the two police cars made their way down the access road, single-file. Sirens blaring, every officer imagining heroic music playing in the background. Officially, they were annoyed that the media trucks were following them since there was still an operation to take care of, but this was easily going to be the most glamorous moment of any of their careers. Not much happened in Clinton, after all. Aside from the occasional drug bust and domestic dispute break-up, Clinton cops led a boring life. A rescue operation in a campground facing unknown foes? Oh yes, this would be heaven in comparison.

The access road ended, and the campground began. The cops turned their sirens off to find… nothing. Yes, the tents and the campers’ various refuse and the petered-out campfire were all, but there were no signs of people anywhere, living or dead.

“Check the area,” the Chief said. “Who knows what condition these people might be in?”

“Guns drawn, Chief?” asked one of the junior officers.

The Chief thought about it for a second. “Yeah.”

The four officers spread out and searched each tent individually. The media members, confused, pointed their cameras at each tent. Rescue operations usually didn’t end up like this. Usually the people were waiting for the officers immediately, haggard looks on their faces but still bearing undoubted smiles. This was… nothing. There was nothing to be found. No people, no clues, even no corpses. This was almost spooky.

“Christ,” the Chief muttered. “They’ve disappeared on us. Most likely into the woods. They killed all of the campers and made a run for it since everything finally dried out.” He shook his head, and then raised his voice for the rest of the officers to hear. “Fan out and search the entire campground, not just the main area!” he barked. “I’m getting on the phone and getting more reinforcements. Under no circumstances is anyone to go into the woods!”

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Brenda Jorette, field reporter for one of Clinton’s local news stations, drummed her fingers anxiously. She had heard enough of the Chief of Police’s phone conversation to realize that something was amiss. Combine that with the frustration of nothing turning up at the initial campsite, and she realized that this story had the potential to go horribly, horribly wrong. Instructing her cameraman to keep the film running no matter what, she simply watched and waited.

Taking out her cell phone, she quickly put it away. Even though nothing was happening, now was no time to fiddle around with the various applications. This was serious. People could be dying. The police encounter might get violent. Two dangerous killers were on the loose. For all she knew they might have wasted fifteen campers over the past week. For all she knew they might be lurking in wait, ready to pick off anyone who came too close to their hiding spot, whatever it was.

For all she knew, they had escaped into the woods the night before and were hiding at her house, her husband and kids already dead.

That cheery thought now permanently lodged in her head, Brenda began to sweat despite the mild temperature out. This was the problem with waiting. When people can be literally anywhere, and the people looking for those people had a lot of ground to cover, your imagination started to run wild. Trying not to think about all of the horrible possibilities, she took her phone out again and put it away equally as quickly. She played with her hair. Her eyes darted around the campground left and right, taking everything in. How well did she know the other media representatives there? Were they truly who they said they were? Were they the fugitives, simply in hiding? Were –

“Chief!” One of the officers called out. “We’ve got one of ‘em! He’s hiding in the castle!”

The police cars’ engines roared once again, and they trodded over the grass, quickly followed by the various news vans.

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The castle was surrounded by police cars and officers. The Chief held up the megaphone as he spoke to the unseen survivor inside.


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“Emerge your head from the window with your hands up,” he said in his magnified voice as it carried across the campground. “Do not make any sudden movements. If you refuse to comply then we will be forced to move in and take you by force.”

Three seconds passed.

Two raised hands emerged, followed shortly by someone’s head. The expression on its faced looked scared but at the same time relieved. “Don’t shoot!” the person inside the castle said. “I’m not one of them!”

The Chief looked through a folder containing two large glossy photos of the escaped criminals with their names beneath. Then he raised his megaphone back up. “What’s your name, son?” he asked.

“Yaseikhaan, Officer.”

The Chief looked over to his other officers. “He’s not one of them,” he muttered. “Come on out, Yaseikhaan,” he said to khaan, a kind tone in his voice. “We have hot food and cold beer. You’re safe now, son.” A grateful khaan emerged from the castle, shaken up but clearly happy to be alive.

The media swarmed over to khaan, but were quickly fought off by all of the police offers. “Can we please debrief him first, ladies and gentlemen?” shouted one of the officers. “Thank you!” he finished, without waiting for an answer.

Fifteen minutes later, khaan was ready to talk. “How many other people are left?” the Chief asked.

“Just one,” khaan said. “Just one.”

“Do you know who he is? Where he is? What he was doing last night?”

“No idea where he is now,” khaan said, “but I did hear a lot of hammering noises coming from his tent for a while. I didn’t ask any questions though. Going into his tent at night, considering what we’d gone through… suicide.”

The officers didn’t hear the last part though. Immediately after khaan said “hammering”, the Chief had rifled through his folder, looking at the profiles of both men. His eyes wide, he passed the one relevant piece of paper over to the other officers, and mouthed one word to them:

"Bomb."

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To be continued…

Visor
05-28-2011, 05:23
Why must I always be so wrong? WHY!!!!!!

You deserved the win Pizza.

Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2011, 05:31
Let the pain begin.

Visor
05-28-2011, 05:39
My pain started when I was nightkilled. Now I'm just shaking my head in disappointment at myself. :P

Csargo
05-28-2011, 05:41
Let the pain begin.

i herd u like to make bombs and don't afraid of anything.

GeneralHankerchief
05-28-2011, 07:12
Two hours later

A full 2/3 of the Clinton Police Department was on hand at the campground now that there was the possibility of a bomb going off at any moment. This was in addition to the three psychiatric specialists who had been tasked to deal with Yaseikhaan after his ordeal, representatives from the FBI, a SWAT response team, and a tripling in size of the media horde. All of this, and yet the final camper was still nowhere to be seen.

The Chief of Police looked over the vast conglomeration that had conglomerated and sighed. He looked over at one of the FBI representatives, who looked at him questioningly.

“No bomb squad?” the representative asked.

“It’s Clinton, Iowa.”

“Ah.”

“All right,” said the Chief. “Everybody we’ve got coming is already here. Nothing more to do than to bite the bullet and find this guy. Everybody searches a different sector in groups of three, and I want reguar check-ins. If I don’t hear from people every fifteen minutes, then I send in the FBI as backup. And nobody wants that. Any questions?”

Silence.

“Then move out!”

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Brenda Jorette found the Chief saying a silent prayer to himself. It had been roughly 45 minutes since he had sent everybody out a second time, and the third round of check-ins had just finished. Everybody was fine, but there will still no sign of the final camper.

“Any comments, Chief?” she asked him.

“Off the record?”

“Sure.”

“I hope to God that I don’t have to explain to anybody why a bomb went off in my town and killed half a dozen law enforcement officials; good men. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.”

“Most of these campers lived on the road, you know,” Brenda said. “No real families, no contact information… they lived out of their cars, if they even had cars.”

“That life aspires to some, especially the young,” said the Chief. “It has its lures, anybody can see that. I just hope that this whole incident doesn’t turn anybody off from this life if they’re so inclined. It’s part of what makes this country so unique, that you can just *do* something like this and experience a greater slice of the picture.”

“At the very least, it will alert people to the dangers though,” Brenda said.

“Yeah, really,” said the Chief. “Don’t ever get caught in a secluded campground with only one access road that gets flooded in a freak storm with two convicted killers on the loose.” Both of them chuckled over the absurdity of the statement, some much-needed stress relief. However, their moment was interrupted by the Chief’s walkie going off.

“Chief!” crackled the radio. “Search Team D, checking in!”

“Go ahead, Search Team D. What do you have for me?”

“We have found the last camper. I repeat, found the last camper. He’s holed up in a secluded spot in the woods and refusing to come out. He claims he is armed and very dangerous! I’m sending you our exact coordinates right now. Over and out.”

The Chief paused for a moment, got his coordinates, and then issued a general order. “Everybody with me,” he said. “Everybody, no exceptions. This ends now.”

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The Clinton Police Department created a wide perimeter around the area, with the FBI and SWAT team hanging back in case they were needed. The media and other various hangers-on hung even farther back, since nobody quite knew how this situation would turn out.

After getting in a heated ten-minute long argument with the FBI representatives, it was decided that the Chief would once again handle the megaphone duties. Stepping forward far more cautiously this time than before, the Chief began speaking to the person inside.

“Please emerge from the woods with your hands up! We have you entirely surrounded! If you are not a killer than you have nothing to fear from us or anybody. We are only trying to help you.”

“I don’t think so,” came the voice. “I’ve seen too much weird stuff over the past week to trust anything! What if this is a trick?!”

“This is not a trick, son,” said the Chief. “Please step out with your hands up. This is the Clinton Police Department, and we are backed by the SWAT and the FBI. We *will* go in and extract you if necessary, but it doesn’t have to come to that.”

“Maybe it does!” came the voice. “You don’t know how many bombs I have! I could set off one right now if you like! I’ve been making them all night! They work, too!”

“Chief,” came another voice. It was Brenda Jorette, hustling over. “I have pictures. My cameraman is in a very good spot, he’s got a perfect angle of what the guy looks like.” She rummaged through her coat and handed the Chief a few copies of paper that were clearly only printed seconds ago. The Chief looked at them for a second, and then went back to his folder with the two glossy photos with the names.

“Wait a minute,” he muttered, “This guy doesn’t look like either of the two we have here…” And with that, he marched behind the siege ring, past the FBI and SWAT, past the media vans to…

…the spot where the psych specialists were handling Yaseikhaan.

The Chief marched right up to khaan and angrily shoved the photos in his face. “The last guy who’s still out there,” he said, “what’s his name?”

“Him?” khaan asked, confused. “Askthepizzaguy, of course. I was wondering why you didn’t ask me this right after you got me.”

“The two guys we’re supposed to watch out for are TheLastDays and johnhughthom,” said the Chief. “What about them?”

“Oh, those two? They’re both dead.”

Everybody had a good hearty laugh at this belated exchange of critical information. Two minutes later, Askthepizzaguy was extricated from his hiding spot without incident and both survivors were treated to one free meal each at Flava Flav’s local chicken joint, a good hearty meal for wherever the road would take them next.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Survived: 2
Yaseikhaan
Askthepizzaguy

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Visorslash
Csargo

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
Scienter
TheLastDays
johnhughthom

Result:
Townie victory!

Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2011, 07:15
NOBODY EXPECTS THE PIZZAGUY REVERSAL!!! :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief
05-28-2011, 07:15
Four things:


I'm hurt that you guys automatically think "fake ending" when the endgame comes around for me. Of all the mafia games I've hosted over the years, I've only pulled that stunt twice, ever. It's not my fault if I'm a trendsetter. :laugh4:
I think this endgame helps prove the overall superiority of vanilla games. You just can't buy this sort of drama in the larger, more complex games when it comes down to crunchtime.
If anybody is interested, the campground is very loosely based on Eagle Point Park in Clinton, Iowa, which is also where I got the photos from. No, I have never been there, and I mean no offense to the good people of Clinton by featuring them in this game.
Lastly and most importantly, thank you all for a very enjoyable game. I had a lot of fun hosting this one, and I hope you had fun playing or watching it. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2011, 07:17
Four things:

I'm hurt that you guys automatically think "fake ending" when the endgame comes around for me. Of all the mafia games I've hosted over the years, I've only pulled that stunt twice, ever. It's not my fault if I'm a trendsetter. :laugh4:

You love the fact that we're paranoid about you, don't even deny it.

Now post the REAL ending.


I think this endgame helps prove the overall superiority of vanilla games. You just can't buy this sort of drama in the larger, more complex games when it comes down to crunchtime.

:bigcry:

Visor
05-28-2011, 07:18
1.I'm hurt that you guys automatically think "fake ending" when the endgame comes around for me. Of all the mafia games I've hosted over the years, I've only pulled that stunt twice, ever. It's not my fault if I'm a trendsetter.

I didn't. :( I don't know you granted.


2.I think this endgame helps prove the overall superiority of vanilla games. You just can't buy this sort of drama in the larger, more complex games when it comes down to crunchtime.

I think you're a brilliant GM and writer. :P

GeneralHankerchief
05-28-2011, 07:23
By the way, if you liked this experience, then I strongly suggest that you sign up for Mafia X when it comes out next week as the initial game in our Gameroom 5-Year Anniversary celebration. All the same crazy fun and endgame drama, with a lot more history and players. :yes:

(More information will be available about this within the next 24 hours or so. Watch the main forum!)

Diamondeye
05-28-2011, 10:13
Phew. Thank you for not being scum, Pizza.

Also, Mafia X! Awesome! I was hoping that was part of the Anniversary Cake! :beam:

Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2011, 10:14
I'm kinda grumpy that I wasn't scum. That would have been epic.

johnhughthom
05-28-2011, 12:21
Well played Pizza and khaan, thanks for the game GH. :bow:

TheLastDays
05-28-2011, 12:57
It was fun playing and for my first Mafia game I hope I wasn't that bad ;)

Sure I'll sign up again I think I can do better as town :D

Renata
05-28-2011, 16:31
:beam:

seireikhaan
05-28-2011, 16:53
As always, a GH game goes down to the thrilling conclusion, resulting in the mafia once suffering an epic crash and burn on the last two nights. The Curse of GH is alive and well, a good sign for Mafia X. :beam: Was lots of fun, thanks to everyone else for helping make it so.

Andres
05-28-2011, 17:49
I was wrong about everything...

Good thing people didn't listen too much to me :2thumbsup:

Thanks for hosting, GH. And congrats to JHT and TheLastDays, you did very well and had me fooled completely :bow:

Askthepizzaguy
05-28-2011, 17:54
And congrats to JHT and TheLastDays, you did very well and had me fooled completely :bow:

Yeah. I had you both near the bottom of my suspect list for basically the whole game. And I was far, far from certain on either of you. My vote on the last round was kind of a 55-45 decision, as I still thought Khaan was pretty scummy, and my analysis shows that.

Switching to vote for Khaan the round prior was also very tempting. Both of those rounds were excruciating. The only way that happens is if the mafia pretty much whoop the town's butt. Very well played.

By the skin of our teeth.... :sweatdrop:


Thanks for the game, GH.

Beskar
05-28-2011, 18:22
I told you John is a good player. :bow:

TheLastDays
05-28-2011, 18:35
I actually learned a few good lessons from this one and it was fun so not much more to ask for :)

Thanks, GH!

Csargo
05-28-2011, 18:36
Excellent game GH. Good job to khaan and ATPG.

GeneralHankerchief
05-28-2011, 18:41
I actually learned a few good lessons from this one

Good, because this was just the warmup. :evil:

Renata
05-28-2011, 18:43
For once the frame job (Chaotix' killing) really was one.

I had TLD as tentatively town until whoever it was that pointed out all his votes for the lynch leaders, on the strength of that day one vote switch alone. You'll have to say why you did that, TLD. Even then I wasn't really expecting him to be scum. And I'm still surprised Scienter wasn't mafia.

(Also, John's "well fine then, let's get this over with, vote ATPG" was too damn good. I was not expecting this to be a victory.)

GeneralHankerchief
05-28-2011, 18:55
Oh yeah, one more thing: In case nobody moved their vote around, I was going to abuse my mod privileges to make this round last for far longer than the 48-hour maximum. It would have simply gone on as long as it needed to go.

To prevent insta-kills, I would have set the round to end one hour after somebody moved their vote to allow time for adjustments, to preserve the whole "Mexican standoff" vibe of the final round.

johnhughthom
05-28-2011, 21:41
I actually learned a few good lessons from this one and it was fun so not much more to ask for :)

It was good to have you as a partner, you couldn't tell you haven't played many games, all the reasons for the kills were good.

seireikhaan
05-28-2011, 23:18
Yeah. I had you both near the bottom of my suspect list for basically the whole game. And I was far, far from certain on either of you. My vote on the last round was kind of a 55-45 decision, as I still thought Khaan was pretty scummy, and my analysis shows that.

Switching to vote for Khaan the round prior was also very tempting. Both of those rounds were excruciating. The only way that happens is if the mafia pretty much whoop the town's butt. Very well played.

By the skin of our teeth.... :sweatdrop:


Thanks for the game, GH.
Kinda ditto for me. I was really close to letting JHT go off the hook. It was a really good job by the mafia of figuring who to kill and who to leave. Once again, well done to TLD and JHT. :bow:

TheLastDays
05-28-2011, 23:48
I had TLD as tentatively town until whoever it was that pointed out all his votes for the lynch leaders, on the strength of that day one vote switch alone. You'll have to say why you did that, TLD.

Hmm, lack of experience maybe... I think I was trying a bit too hard to look like a good townie, trying to figure out where I'd vote if I was town and going by that, resulting in votes that actually did something...

And that vote switch in round one? I think I'd have done the same as town, pressuring someone a little further...

Reenk Roink
05-29-2011, 00:19
Solid game and excellent writing, thanks for hosting GH! :bow: :balloon3:

Askthepizzaguy
05-29-2011, 03:31
Solid game and excellent writing, thanks for hosting GH! :bow: :balloon3:

Echo, the storytelling didn't need anything fancy, just impressive writing. It really sucked you in and made you feel like you were there. I know what I'm going to be nominating in 2011 for best game already, unless you dazzle me with Mafia X, GH.

GeneralHankerchief
05-29-2011, 03:39
Thank you for the kind words, everybody. :bow: Now go and check this thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135814-The-Gameroom-Anniversary-Celebration) out.