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Europa Barbarorum Online Tournament 2011 June
Point System
A very straightforward point system will be used. For each win, you gain one point. For each loss, you lose one point. NO TEAM GAMES.
There are two sets of points. Each player has his own point count. The second point count is the factional point count. Each faction has a number of wins and a number of losses equivalent to the total wins and losses of all players using that faction during that tourney month. Points only are counted for every month. There are no rollover points.
Signing Up
Threads like these must be set up one or two weeks prior to the beginning of the tourney. Registrations will not be accepted after the start of the month. Let this be an example. To sign up for the tourney, reply to this post with your faction of choice. And I mean your final choice of faction. No changes will be allowed mid-way through the tourney. Once it begins, you're set. The only option you will have is to opt-out of the tourney (that is also final; no opt-out and then resume; if you have to have a week off, that's fine, but don't "fold your cards" unless you're completely sure).
Note: On Hamachi and in-game you must use the same name you use on The Guild. This is to avoid confusion. If you have a really long name, like "Hannibal Khan the Great", and you choose to use usernames like Hannibal Khan, that's fine. A shortened version of a long name is fine as long as it is recognizable.
Replays
You must upload and submit replays by posting links to the replays here in the form of a reply. Remember to state who you played against and who the winner was. Only winners are allowed to post replays so as to avoid duplicates. Thank you.
Jury
Every month, the tourney will have not only participating players but also jury members. Jury members cannot double as players in the same month, and players cannot double as jury members in the same month. The Jury is a board of a maximum of 9 members that adjudicate cases of conflict and protest. The minimum size of the Jury is 3 because it takes the agreement of 3 Jury members to come to a final verdict on who the winner was in special cases and whether cheating took place in protests for disqualification (DQ, wherein the game is not counted toward gain or loss). Three cases of cheating and the player is removed from that month's tourney, and his score contribution removed from the factional score as well. To be a Jury member you must state below that you wish to be so. Remember: This means you will not participate as a player and will solely make yourself available to review replays for cases of protest and conflict. There presumably won't be too many of these, so it shouldn't be much of a problem! All Jury members are respected and admired for their sacrifice. Thank you all.
And that's about it. If you want more of the nitty-gritty details, such as rules, what to do, what not to do, what to expect, etc., visit the website (it's a must-read for even the oldies). Find it at www.ebonline.tk (http://www.ebonline.tk/). Use the contact button (links to our email: contact@ebonline.tk) for any concerns, questions or suggestions.
Networks
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EBOT 2011 June Score Report Schedule
12 June 2011
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19 June 2011
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26 June 2011
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1 July 2011 (Final Results)
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The Celtic Viking
05-09-2011, 11:57
I'm igning up with my trusty, old Arverni. ~:)
VikingPower
05-09-2011, 22:42
Randomer10 will also fight as Averni, since they field the most cost effective mass murderers in the game.
But since Averni can't fight against Nomads and have a lesser chance against phalanx then maybe I will fight as Rome or Carthage against them.
So what are you going to play as exactly?
And you're going with the name Randomer10?
Just making sure...
VikingPower
05-09-2011, 23:25
Averni against all factions which do not use super long range archers, fear units, phalanx, or horse archers.
Will then switch to Rome or Carthage, based upon whim.
The main reason is Averni lack of armoured archers and the longsword units in broad mass lack morale to be a line-holders.
Unless the Averni can be given rhodian mercs or the bataroas mercs edited into being more expensive but with same moral as neitos - for there is no broad mass unit in between which has good morale.
The tight mass units are fine, but if I use an army entirely made of them then it takes too little space on the battlefield - unless I field over 15 such units.
I need one balanced army with broad mass units, but another army entirely made of tight mass units and cav (infnatry spam, no missiles units).
Oh and as Randomer10
Signing Up
Threads like these must be set up one or two weeks prior to the beginning of the tourney. Let this be an example. To sign up for the tourney, reply to this post with your faction of choice. And I mean your final choice of faction. No changes will be allowed mid-way through the tourney. Once it begins, you're set. The only option you will have is to opt-out of the tourney (that is also final; no opt-out and then resume; if you have to have a week off, that's fine, but don't "fold your cards" unless you're completely sure).
Important part in red and bolded.
EDIT: Feel free to game with anyone as you wish, though. The tourney is sure to bring an influx of gamers.
VikingPower
05-10-2011, 11:44
Randomer10 not playing then.
I am contented with normal matches.
And I don't care about your rules.
Randomer10 not playing then.
I am contented with normal matches.
And I don't care about your rules.
I appreciate it.
Sign me up, Lusotanna. And my nick will be |Sith|2|Lazyo.
Also vartan; is there a rule that you cant play x player more than x amount of times?
LusitanianWolf
05-10-2011, 18:42
I'm thinking about starting to do some EB MP but I'm using Alex.exe for EB and Jirisys mega pack, I gess I'll need a clean RTW.exe install for it?
I'm igning up with my trusty, old Arverni. ~:)
:balloon2: Good luck :)
Randomer10 will also fight as Averni, since they field the most cost effective mass murderers in the game.
But since Averni can't fight against Nomads and have a lesser chance against phalanx then maybe I will fight as Rome or Carthage against them.
:balloon2: Good luck too :)
Sign me up, Lusotanna. And my nick will be |Sith|2|Lazyo.
Also vartan; is there a rule that you cant play x player more than x amount of times?
Wait, YOU are Sith? Ah, lol I thought it said Sith2LAYO. Hahah.
I'm thinking about starting to do some EB MP but I'm using Alex.exe for EB and Jirisys mega pack, I gess I'll need a clean RTW.exe install for it?
Yes, It seems the MP has errors and crashes :(
I would have made a backuper; but I was too lazy. Yes, EB clean with EBMP EDU.
Also, if there are going to be judges, then I want to be one :)
~Jirisys ()
LusitanianWolf
05-10-2011, 19:15
:balloon2: Good luck :)
I would have made a backuper; but I was too lazy. Yes, EB clean with EBMP EDU.
Also, if there are going to be judges, then I want to be one :)
~Jirisys ()
Lucky this time I've put a clean RTW1.5 in a rar so its just a matter about extracting it and installing EB :)
And for some minutes I was realy scared that I had screwed my awesome Pontus and lusos campains because of the trivialscript+megapack+MP_EDUinstaller but luckly I could fix it. =)
Now, after installing EB for MP, to some pratice, after so many time fighting AI I gess I will be pretty dull at MP...
Also vartan; is there a rule that you cant play x player more than x amount of times?
No, there is not.
Also, if there are going to be judges, then I want to be one :)
Your post was awfully long, haha. I'll sign you up.
Lucky this time I've put a clean RTW1.5 in a rar so its just a matter about extracting it and installing EB :)
And for some minutes I was realy scared that I had screwed my awesome Pontus and lusos campains because of the trivialscript+megapack+MP_EDUinstaller but luckly I could fix it. =)
Now, after installing EB for MP, to some pratice, after so many time fighting AI I gess I will be pretty dull at MP...
I don't recognize your name so I take it if you've ever played MP, it's been with friends or people you know, not strangers. That's a good thing, you'll gain experience! Which faction do you wish to register as?
LusitanianWolf
05-10-2011, 21:04
No, there is not.
Your post was awfully long, haha. I'll sign you up.
I don't recognize your name so I take it if you've ever played MP, it's been with friends or people you know, not strangers. That's a good thing, you'll gain experience! Which faction do you wish to register as?
No, as far as I remember I've never played EB MP, and if I did with any TW at all was a long time ago.
I'm praticing in customs to get some notions about the kind of army I'll choose since I allways play campain and its a totaly diferent logic.
I've yet to choose but probably Lusos or Suebi (I'm sooooo going to get so pawned, lol).
BTW, I cant find any definite rules and settings for EB, where they are (mnai, size settings, unit restritions, etc)?
Edit, lol, nevermind, there's a link to it in your signature XD
Since there are already Lusos I'm rolling Sweboz! :viking::viking:
antisocialmunky
05-11-2011, 14:02
If I'm not too busy with SCII, I might as well take a spin as AS.
If I'm not too busy with SCII, I might as well take a spin as AS.
You better not be too busy with that silly sequel. Time to pull out the big guns munky.
antisocialmunky
05-12-2011, 01:15
Yes, I feel like being the most imbalanced faction in EB.
gamegeek2
05-12-2011, 01:33
I need to brush up on my skills for this, but all the major exams will be over by then, so I should have time.
Dunno who to sign up as. Afraid to get my ass kicked by phalanxes if I go with trust ol' Sauromatae...will have to look at rosters once again! :D
AS actually has a ridiculous roster...
AS actually has a ridiculous roster...
Yes. For those who are new or don't know the history behind EB Online, the first summer tourney session champion was MegasJinandJuice who won first place (gold; "Golden Kataphract"). He played as none other than AS.
Yes. For those who are new or don't know the history behind EB Online, the first summer tourney session champion was MegasJinandJuice who won first place (gold; "Golden Kataphract"). He played as none other than AS.
Wasn't Saba the winner of last year's?
~Jirisys ()
Mr. Stuka
05-12-2011, 03:55
Sign me up I suppose, I'll be Macedon. Antigonos forevaaaa!
Nickname: MrStuka
Wasn't Saba the winner of last year's?
MisterFred (Saba) tied with Antisocialmunky (Koinon Hellenon) for first place last year, but I was talking about 2009.
Sign me up I suppose, I'll be Macedon. Antigonos forevaaaa!
Nickname: MrStuka
Welcome to the forums. I'm glad to see a former lurker on board. Let me know if you have problems connecting.
Fluvius Camillus
05-12-2011, 09:06
Yes. For those who are new or don't know the history behind EB Online, the first summer tourney session champion was MegasJinandJuice who won first place (gold; "Golden Kataphract"). He played as none other than AS.
Hah, don't forget he was Romani first, I slaughtered him as AS multiple times so he decided to switch to AS! That being said, I'd like to play as the sons of Seleukos!~D
Now let's find a good place for post 1000....~D
~Fluvius
Burebista
05-12-2011, 12:14
Sign me up as Burebista . Carthage is mine.
LusitanianWolf
05-12-2011, 17:25
I've got a few questions regarding rules.
1 - Can we use any unit to be general bodyguard or should we stick to standart one?
2 - Who choses the battle map for each round? For Ex western barbarians would be at advantage at while fighting in forests but in great trouble when fighting a steppe's army in its own habitat.
3 - How much historical must be tactics? It'll be ok to use successor phalanx tactics with Sweboz (Speutagardaz as anvil lol) or consular tactics with lusos or should both factions stick to good old warband style, ambushes, etc?
And btw, anyone for some pratice today? I've never did MP with EB so I should get some experience.
1 - Can we use any unit to be general bodyguard or should we stick to standart one?
Yes.
2 - Who choses the battle map for each round? For Ex western barbarians would be at advantage at while fighting in forests but in great trouble when fighting a steppe's army in its own habitat.
The person hosting the battle. If you do not like the battle map, remake with a different map. This is why most people like to play on relatively level maps. I still recommend EB maps because they are more diverse than a grassland. Grasslands are really whack, to use colloquial terminology, because they lack anything you could use tactically, such as a small forest and what else have you.
3 - How much historical must be tactics? It'll be ok to use successor phalanx tactics with Sweboz (Speutagardaz as anvil lol) or consular tactics with lusos or should both factions stick to good old warband style, ambushes, etc?
Use whatever tactics that help you actually win, historical or otherwise.
Grasslands are used since they offer no advantage to either side, maps with forests, etc.. encourage camping.
Brave Brave Sir Robin
05-12-2011, 23:10
Was that yes referring to using any unit as a BG or to sticking to general's BG units?
Was that yes referring to using any unit as a BG or to sticking to general's BG units?
It was linguistic cleverness. The question was this or that. By answering yes the point I'm trying to make is you may use both actual general's units as generals as well as other, ordinary units, whether they be mounted or dismounted. Anything is fine as the general on the field. I hope that answers your question (=
Brave Brave Sir Robin
05-12-2011, 23:57
I've got a few questions regarding rules.
1 - Can we use any unit to be general bodyguard or should we stick to standart one?
2 - Who choses the battle map for each round? For Ex western barbarians would be at advantage at while fighting in forests but in great trouble when fighting a steppe's army in its own habitat.
3 - How much historical must be tactics? It'll be ok to use successor phalanx tactics with Sweboz (Speutagardaz as anvil lol) or consular tactics with lusos or should both factions stick to good old warband style, ambushes, etc?
And btw, anyone for some pratice today? I've never did MP with EB so I should get some experience.
I'm going to log on for a little while tonight.
And to Vartan, yes it does, thank you. Often cleverness, like sarcasm is lost over the internet.:laugh4:
The Celtic Viking
05-13-2011, 00:51
Edit: forget this post. I'm tired. Look away.
Burebista
05-13-2011, 11:33
I think we are missing the factional lists for Pavlava & Sauromatae.
Any chance of modifying the merc limit for sauros? all their cav has missile so it's pretty much impossible to form a steppe army without more than 5 mercs.
Or just inlcude some getai units as factionals .
Just my 0.02$
The Celtic Viking
05-13-2011, 12:10
Combine them with mine and that's 0.04$. That was the reason why I didn't go as the Sauromatae in the last tournament, as I had originally planned to do. That coupled with the fact that their non-steppe quality is naturally lackluster makes it a rather gimped faction in need of attention.
Burebista
05-13-2011, 12:24
I managed to do a competitive army with sauros , with 5 xerudonzes , but i could not touch the roxolani or sarmatian nobles , and that is rly sad
Yes, I'll be putting those up not this weekend but the next. Also, you guys figure Sauro could actually have a decent civ composition army? I thought they were mostly horsemen and foot archers. Anyway, factional units are almost always the ones from the EB site. So after looking at the Sauro page, tell me what units you guys think should be added as 'factional' and why. And of course they must be on the MP roster, so check that first.
The Celtic Viking
05-13-2011, 18:26
I'm not saying that they should have it, I'm just saying that they don't, which means the injury they suffer from the current regulations is all the more painful.
I'm not saying that they should have it, I'm just saying that they don't, which means the injury they suffer from the current regulations is all the more painful.
They don't suffer any injury. The regulations account for steppe armies.
The Celtic Viking
05-14-2011, 01:43
They don't suffer any injury. The regulations account for steppe armies.
They do suffer an injury because they don't have non-missile cav which means that
a) instead of having a max of 12 cav as other steppe armies, they effectively have a max of 8 because of the limit on missile units
b) Bringing foot archers costs you a cavalry slot/unit
They do suffer an injury because they don't have non-missile cav which means that
a) instead of having a max of 12 cav as other steppe armies, they effectively have a max of 8 because of the limit on missile units
b) Bringing foot archers costs you a cavalry slot/unit
Just took a look at the SAC. What would upping the total 'archers' number from 8 to 12 do? Would that resolve the issue, do you suppose? I'm guessing this is where the main gap is coming from.
hmm I'm thinking I might sign up as Saka Rauka.
gamegeek2
05-14-2011, 04:53
Right, I will be signing up as Sauro, fo sho.
I'm igning up with my trusty, old Arverni. ~:)
Can't believe I didn't notice the typographical error until now.
hmm I'm thinking I might sign up as Saka Rauka.
Right, I will be signing up as Sauro, fo sho.
Gotcha.
The Celtic Viking
05-14-2011, 13:18
Can't believe I didn't notice the typographical error until now.
It is hard to see, isn't it? I didn't catch it either until I returned to this thread the day after.
Just took a look at the SAC. What would upping the total 'archers' number from 8 to 12 do? Would that resolve the issue, do you suppose? I'm guessing this is where the main gap is coming from.
Yes, that would resolve the issue. The question is if this should be applied to all steppes or just the Sauromatae, as it's only the latter that need it. I'm guessing the 8 max archers was set there for a reason after all, and it seems to work well for the rest.
gamegeek2
05-14-2011, 15:05
I'd say up it to 10 for Sauromatae only, because IIRC Sauromatae received an increase in the cost of metal armour that other steppe factions did not. Sauromatae have access to Scythian Noble Cavalry which are highly efficient for their cost. They can also use Germanic light horse which got quite a bit better in the new EDU.
Burebista
05-14-2011, 15:08
Upping the 8 archer limit would be too powerful for Parthia and Saka rauka .
4 solutions: a) Special rule for sauros ( too complicated in my oppinion)
b) Addind some melee only cav in their roster (best option IMHO)
c) upping their merc limit ( only partial fix)
d) Downgrading the Scythian heavies from Hcav to Medium Cav( somewhat OP )
I'd say up it to 10 for Sauromatae only [...]
Let's do this...
Upping the 8 archer limit would be too powerful for Parthia and Saka rauka.
Really?
b) Addind some melee only cav in their roster (best option IMHO)
Like the Scythians that gamegeek mentioned? They're in already.
I have to take a look at that faction when I get a chance...
Wait, which EDU is going to be used< the new one or the regular old one ?
Wait, which EDU is going to be used< the new one or the regular old one ?
If GG2 gets it finalized for this year's tourneys almost a week before June starts, then we'll use the new one. We need to do this in order to have a comparison study. Not simply for the sake of having a distinct EDU, distinct from the SP version.
antisocialmunky
05-20-2011, 00:13
Its good that we actually have some EB support this time around and balance decisions and rule enforcement aren't done by me rage quitting and yellling at people.
Its good that we actually have some EB support this time around and balance decisions and rule enforcement aren't done by me rage quitting and yellling at people.
But we've always had a Jury :laugh4: even if it was my lonesome self!
Burebista
05-20-2011, 12:37
Vartan , maybe add goidillic units to casse factional? Also Milnaht? I dont think there is a risk of getting Casse overplayed :))
Also please remove the 10 archer special rule for sauromatae. It's so OP. Or if you don't agree , change my faction to Sauromatae.
Looking at the rules , i can actually have with Sauros 4 roxolani nobles & 6 Aorsi nobles . U try to deal with that while being Barbarian.
gamegeek2
05-20-2011, 16:19
Goidilic isn't factional for Casse? Oops, violated that rule several times :)
Looked at more above Sauro comments. Sauro civ is viable, if you know what you're doing that is.
Is that a yes on switching to Sauro Burebista? The Sauros already pay more for armour, and they don't need any melee only cav that they don't already have, am I right?
Burebista
05-20-2011, 17:31
Is that a yes on switching to Sauro Burebista? The Sauros already pay more for armour, and they don't need any melee only cav that they don't already have, am I right?
Look , reading from your rules , as Sauro i get 8 Mercs & 10 archer limit & SAC & a non heavy classification for Sauromatae nobles /Aorsi nobles.
That means that with 36 K i can afford 4 Roxolani nobles , 6 sauromatae nobles , 8 komatai (Merc rule) and 2 vojinos . + some chevs.
If you can tell me any barbarian composition that can stand up to that many missiles then i give up .
But if not , please sign me up as sauromatae bcz this will be the most OP shit i've ever done.
That's a good point. I appreciate it because I didn't know what Sauro could purchase with 36k. GG2 told me Sauro nobles need to be put back on as heavy. I believe that we need to do more. Let us look at armor levels.
10 - Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry)
10 - Baktrioi Hippeis (Baktrian Medium Cavalry)
9 - Aursa Uaezdaettae (Aorsi Noble Cavalry)
12 - Skuda Uaezdaettae (Scythian Noble Cavalry)
12 - Rauxsa-alanna Uaezdaettae (Roxolani Noble Cavalry)
10 - Ragon Sauromatae Uaezdaettae (Sarmatian Noble Horse-Archers)
There are several reasons I am citing these examples. Firstly, EB Online (and its prototype predecessor July 2009 tourney) has traditionally (and perhaps infamously?) deemed heavy two key cavalry units that were deemed "medium" cavalry by the EB Team. These are units #1 and #2 above (Lonch and Bak Hippeis). They have a turning point value of 10 for armour. So we have also traditionally held units #4,5,6 as heavy cavalry units. The Aorsi in #3 haven't been considered heavy ever in our tournaments to my knowledge.
Now I'm not saying there aren't discrepancies and problems with this approach. When various of us members came to this ambiguous conclusion that for whatever reason #1 and #2 must be heavy, we did not apply a certain take-off value for armour or armour+shield after which point the cav was heavy. Look at Prodromoi:
11 - Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
The Prodromoi cavalry has never been considered heavy. It has always been considered non-heavy. If I remember correctly (feel free to correct me antisocialmunky), we had it non-heavy because it would fall so easily to missile fire. The thing was simply shock hit-n-run and no staying power (is that what it's called?)
So what do you think? As of this writing, #1 through #6 except Aorsi nobles are heavy, and Prodromoi is still non-heavy. How do we call a cavalry unit "heavy"? Can we systematize this?
Burebista
05-21-2011, 07:54
Well , i think it's not so much a problem concerning defence as it it is a matter of cost efficiency. If a cav unit with 22 defence is melee only , it's ok to clasify it as medium , but when it's multi-functional , and i mean HA-Charging-melee resistant , i think it's better to clasify as heavy for balancing reasons as that unit in spammable quantities would provide the user with a much too greater avantage , especially with factions susceptible to steppe which will try to survive the initial onslaught of arrows and hope for the best later.
When complaining about the Sauro's roster , i was doing so bcz of the inability to use many of their units. Getting a special merc rule fixes that i believe. The redo of Reidonez, available to sauros , furthers that impression too. But when it comes to 10 archer limit upon a faction which has the best HA per money cost , well , i feel that it gets too OP .
Keep in mind that phalanxes are now susceptible to arrow fire , which further boosts their capabilities.
In short , i believe it to be balanced if you put Aorsi nobles(6 missile attack , 30 charge , 2500mnai) as heavy , keep the 8 merc rule and remove the 10 archer special rule for them. i think this game should be about skill too , which is completely negated in the case of meetings such as Casse vs Sauros today.
antisocialmunky
05-21-2011, 14:37
I did the heavy cav classification for cavalry that had really heavy armor + defense + lance attack of 4 because NOTHING CAN KILL THOSE except other heavy cav economically so the only way to beat them was your own heavy cav. I'm not sure how much better the medium cav is but if they can beat the heavy charging cav in melee than I wouldn't mind relaxing the limit.
My personal criteria is that if the unit with 1 chevron can't take out 75% of a Companion Cavalry unit using melee before it routs, its not a heavy cavalry.
I have no idea how the new balance works out but I do know that hippies are worse than prodromoi now by a huge margin. They weren't that bad previously so I'm not sure how it was rebalanced. I really have no idea. On the other hand, cavalry seems a bit weaker on the charge over all. I'd play some serious games before making any further judgements.
Why is balance being discussed in this thread? there's a separate thread for the EDU.
Because this one issue has become all too important and controversial. And it's not related to the EDU.
Burebista, you can't expect any two-faction Matchup (MU) to be one that starts on equal inherent chances for either side. This will never be the case because of 1) faction-inherent factors and 2) player-inherent factors (some players are more skilled than others). Each MU has its own advantages and disadvantages. This is why many players carefully select their opponents.
We could of course make the game entirely rock paper and scissors but it wouldn't be EB (this is already a very dead horse).
How can we make some horses heavy for one faction while keeping some other horses of another faction as non-heavy when those 'non-heavy' cav are actually 'heavier'? Shouldn't the system be universal? If cost is a matter, we can change costs. But the heavy status must have a fundamental basis, and my mind tells me that the unit is only as 'heavy' as the amount of armour and shield it wears. What else can make it 'heavy'? Don't mind the weaponry. There are 'heavy' cav that use maces, while some others use bows. It may simply be that the costs of units in Sauro are artificially very inexpensive; if you ask me, this is an artifact from SP that's carried over. Other than that, why shouldn't all the 10+ armour/shield-sum cav be deemed heavy? or whatever the number?
antisocialmunky
05-21-2011, 17:49
Maybe we should let everyone select 2 factions so they can switch back and forth if they run into a bad matchup Its what WCG let Starcraft players do.
gamegeek2
05-21-2011, 18:02
That makes sense...some factions are just poor MUs against others...but then, it seems to discourage innovation in strategy to help fight bad matchups, and makes choosing a faction not as much of a commitment.
Maybe we should let everyone select 2 factions so they can switch back and forth if they run into a bad matchup Its what WCG let Starcraft players do.
This is true.
That makes sense...some factions are just poor MUs against others...but then, it seems to discourage innovation in strategy to help fight bad matchups, and makes choosing a faction not as much of a commitment.
This is what I was thinking as well. Such a dilemma!
LusitanianWolf
05-21-2011, 18:21
This is true.
This is what I was thinking as well. Such a dilemma!
What about:
2 rounds for encounter and 2 factions for player (main and secundary).
Each round one of the players stay with his main faction and chose map. The other player (the invader) is able to change his faction to secundary or stay with the main one. And in the next round they switch. Dunno about the 3rd round if there is a draw..... Maybe both stay with main faction and jury decides map (one that offers no avantage to anyone, like a mixed map.
Well we want this to be self-sufficient, no third parties. Players should be able to run their own. Your proposal for who gets to host map is simply a childhood lesson of taking turns, so that should go without saying. I guess we could theoretically do two factions but yeah... and the stats are collected so that we can show in long run whether one faction has arbitrary advantage over another.
Burebista
05-21-2011, 18:33
If Aorsi nobles aren't heavy , this will lead to armies consisting of 4 roxo nobles and 6 aorsi nobles. Which is 85% of the cavalry and 50 % of the whole army consisting of nobility and no normal units for a steppe nation .
What i expect is 4 nobles and 6-8 non-noble cav from a somewhat historically compliant Sauros.
If Aorsi nobles aren't heavy , this will lead to armies consisting of 4 roxo nobles and 6 aorsi nobles. Which is 85% of the cavalry and 50 % of the whole army consisting of nobility and no normal units for a steppe nation .
What i expect is 4 nobles and 6-8 non-noble cav from a somewhat historically compliant Sauros.
No worries. I've devised a new system that I will update as necessary until soon before the tourneys start. It is designed to make sure aorsi and roxo nobles are heavy. I will write back again with the proposed formula.
EDIT: Excuse me. Aorsi shouldn't be heavy since they don't have lances.
gamegeek2
05-21-2011, 19:15
Also Aorsi only wear hardened leather armour.
EDIT: You can't see this ;)
gamegeek2
05-21-2011, 19:47
That's some seriously low standards for heavy cav...at least that's my first impression. Prodromoi are now heavy cav!
That's some seriously low standards for heavy cav...at least that's my first impression. Prodromoi are now heavy cav!
No they're not. I'm not done updating the proposal. It is not low if you look at EB armour + shield stat values. Prod are light cav and there should be very few exceptions if any once I'm done.
EDIT: Done. Should be able to make the rest of the factional unit pages soon.
Burebista
05-21-2011, 20:41
OK , if Aorsi are medium and there are no changes to Sauro rules , change me to Sauromatae.
IrishHitman
05-21-2011, 21:18
its prototype predecessor July 2009 tourney
How glorious it was!
Makedonia plz!
Alright guys, factional units are all up! Just wait another couple of days and the finalized EDU will be up on the site!
In Vanilla tournaments, players are given several factions that they can only use once in their battles. e.g I am playing 5 matches in this round, I have gaul,scythia,rome,egypt,armenia, I can play with those factions only once. Also not that the whole group is given the same set of factions, thereby solving the issue of counter factions.
In Vanilla tournaments, players are given several factions that they can only use once in their battles. e.g I am playing 5 matches in this round, I have gaul,scythia,rome,egypt,armenia, I can play with those factions only once. Also not that the whole group is given the same set of factions, thereby solving the issue of counter factions.
Nice! You only get to play five battles! Amirite?
That was a horribly miscalculated example. Hers another one :P
Group 1
player 1
player 2
player 3
player 4
player 5
There are 5 players, Each player plays every other player in his group 2 times, so One player would play a total of 8 matches in his first round, so every player in this group has for example 8 factions;
Luso
Arverni
Aedui
Casse
Sweboz
Carthage
Rome
Getae
A player can only use each faction once.
No steppe factions, no murder of the euro barbs, of course then this would only be taken as a first round. But since we play as a league system, I dont think how this format can apply.
But since we play as a league system, I dont think how this format can apply.
I know! It can't!
But I wonder what others think about the format...
Its useless to be called a tournament since whoever plays the most wins?
gamegeek2
05-22-2011, 19:38
No, because you can lose games, too...A loss is -1 point.
IrishHitman
05-22-2011, 20:10
Actually, I'm going Ptollie on this one, since Makedonia is already taken.
Faction-specific Sauromatae rules updated. Check under rules page of the website if you haven't already.
Burebista
05-24-2011, 08:46
Faction-specific Sauromatae rules updated. Check under rules page of the website if you haven't already.
Limit of 8 mercs when using SAC; 15 when using CAC. Up to 4 can be Greek; up to 4 can be Germanic (excluding Bastarnae Falx Infantry).
Say wut? Does it mean max 4 greek , max 4 germanic ecxcluding bastarnae ?
I change my faction to Carthage
Say wut? Does it mean max 4 greek , max 4 germanic ecxcluding bastarnae ?
Well that simply means that Sauromatae may recruit up to 4 Greek mercs and up to 4 Germanic mercs, and that Bastarnae do not count toward the Germanic limit.
Reasoning: The Bastarnae, although original from a Germanic tribe, have by this time moved right up the Sarmatian alley. As for Germania proper and Hellas, these are relatively distanced from Sarmatia and hence limitations put on Greco-Germanic spam. Balts spread into Sarmatian lands and so they aren't limited.
gamegeek2
05-24-2011, 17:17
Note: sarmatian CAS builds are definitely still viable. This just prevents ahistorical exploits.
I give up in my attempt to live without cataphracts and 8 arhcers... I change my faction to Saka -.-
IrishHitman
05-25-2011, 20:03
I give up in my attempt to live without cataphracts and 8 arhcers... I change my faction to Saka -.-
Cheese alert.
Burebista
05-26-2011, 08:42
I give up in my attempt to live without cataphracts and 8 arhcers... I change my faction to Saka -.-
I give up on catas and 10 archers. :))
Change my faction to Carthage .
antisocialmunky
05-26-2011, 16:48
Bosphorans are a little bit too cheap because they are arrow proof after the HA arrow damage nerf. That 2 shield turns into 4 shield when standing still and not shooting. This is why 3 shield cav with good armor are basically kataphracts.
Not when they dont have armor upgrades, they are killable with proper harrasment and tactics.
What's this I hear about idle units having their shields doubled? Some sort of bug?
Site got a re-haul early this morning. And some quick updates were announced on the home page. The most important was that Bastarnae Falx are limited to 2 to any player.
The Celtic Viking
05-26-2011, 22:53
You know what? I'll change faction as well. Put me up as Ptolemaioi Epeiros. ~:)
antisocialmunky
05-27-2011, 14:15
Not when they dont have armor upgrades, they are killable with proper harrasment and tactics.
Nah, if I hold fire against HAs, I can basically run them out of ammo with very light casualties. They get shot to ribbons if they flank so the only method is to take a cata-archer for each of them. I can basically kill most of your archers and then cease fire and my archer won't die unless you flank.
Phalanx300
05-27-2011, 14:45
So what exactly do we need installed to play? Am currently in the middle of a campaign on 1.2 without anything else.
Didn't reply earlier because I was in the middle of exams, now finished. ;)
Might join this, though all nice factions are taken. :P
So what exactly do we need installed to play? Am currently in the middle of a campaign on 1.2 without anything else.
Didn't reply earlier because I was in the middle of exams, now finished. ;)
Might join this, though all nice factions are taken. :P
They're not really 'taken' old timer! Good to see you here. The instructions page is on the site (it's called 'getting started'), but you simply need the list of 'required' items on that page. As you can see, it asks for high speed connection, EB 1.2 with fixes, the EBO MP EDU v2.0, and Hamachi software.
http://www.ebonline.tk/getting-started/
Couple of notes.
**First, install Hamachi if you haven't already and log onto those networks to make sure it works. Most definitely do not alter network adapter priorities as we used to before EBO. This newest version of Hamachi by default installs in the right priority position.
**Also, make sure you activate the MP EDU by way of Trivial Script (simply choosing 'multiplayer' from drop-down menu and clicking 'save') every multiplayer session. This is because if you were just playing SP and log online, you might wonder why every game is incompatible.
**Finally, there is a required item listed called EB MP Load Replay Mod. This confuses some people. Many may believe that you can review replays in EB SP. Yes you can but have you ever wondered why a warning notice pops up right before it loads the replay? That's because you're loading on a different EDU. EB MP doesn't have a load option in the main menu; this 'mod' places that option back in. Hence the MP Load Replay Mod.
You can still pick those factions.
LusitanianWolf
05-28-2011, 00:05
Well, since everyone is changing factions I'll do the same too....
But not to a puny so called "civilized" faction! The mighty Lusotannan it shall be!
(at least theyre a bit more versatile than Sweboz :P)
I think, I'll participate again this time although my english and EB skills are rusting.
I think, I'll participate again this time although my english and EB skills are rusting.
Kival, it's good to see a familiar face. Which faction will it be this time around, old-timer? :laugh4:
gamegeek2
05-30-2011, 08:43
Ah he did fine in his first battle back :D
I will try my luck as Pontos this time.
LusitanianWolf
05-30-2011, 23:14
I humbly suggest that skirmishers limit for Lusotannan to be raized a little, maybe to 8.. Why? Because afaik historicaly they relied a lot on them (caetrannan would be also skirmishers in RL) and since most of their cavalry is skirmisher (3 skirmisher cavalry and 3 foot skirmishers seems to few for lusos IMHO).
Maybe to make up for that you could decrease the availability of mercs to them to 3 or 4 since theire Goidlics and I doubt that there should be a lot of them available for a Luso Warlord or maybe "archers" since they only have slingers (wouldnt be 5 balearics a bit OP?)
BTW, wouldnt be easiest for a Iberian warlord to get his hands on some Numidians than Goidilics? At least afaik Sertorius used them (but yes, he was a roman not lusitanian).
And also I think there should be fixed a limit to historically rare/unique units like Dosidataskeli, Dubosaverlacica, TAB, Sacred Band, etc.
gamegeek2
05-31-2011, 03:05
I have womped a few people with this type of army so far:
2 Dubosaverlacica
3 Eiras
5 Caetranaan (1 Exp)
6 Gaesamica (1 Exp)
4 Iberi Milites
Yeah, that's 5 Elite infantry. Scary and command infantry are awesome...
It's also doable as Gauls, and I'll have to try it as the Sweboz sometime.
Burebista
05-31-2011, 07:32
I humbly suggest that skirmishers limit for Lusotannan to be raized a little, maybe to 8.. Why? Because afaik historicaly they relied a lot on them (caetrannan would be also skirmishers in RL) and since most of their cavalry is skirmisher (3 skirmisher cavalry and 3 foot skirmishers seems to few for lusos IMHO).
Maybe to make up for that you could decrease the availability of mercs to them to 3 or 4 since theire Goidlics and I doubt that there should be a lot of them available for a Luso Warlord or maybe "archers" since they only have slingers (wouldnt be 5 balearics a bit OP?)
BTW, wouldnt be easiest for a Iberian warlord to get his hands on some Numidians than Goidilics? At least afaik Sertorius used them (but yes, he was a roman not lusitanian).
And also I think there should be fixed a limit to historically rare/unique units like Dosidataskeli, Dubosaverlacica, TAB, Sacred Band, etc.
Almost everything from luso throws javs so no extra skirmishers required , unless you want to bring those 14 jav cav u[o your enemies ( which is pretty useless imho , tested)
Also , goidillic mercs are amazing , 900 for a 120 man unit that good..eiras , command ability .....cladaca , AP javs at 1200 ..what is there not to like?
LusitanianWolf
05-31-2011, 12:09
Almost everything from luso throws javs so no extra skirmishers required , unless you want to bring those 14 jav cav u[o your enemies ( which is pretty useless imho , tested)
Also , goidillic mercs are amazing , 900 for a 120 man unit that good..eiras , command ability .....cladaca , AP javs at 1200 ..what is there not to like?
Yes, I know goidilics are awesome, I just feel completely unhistorical when using them as Lusos. XD And you forgot the Brain-Smashers :P
Ambakaro Epones are excelent, its probably they price that makes them not so a good choice but still, I use them sometimes to great success, their AP falcatas are nasty and have 20 morale!! Or are you talking about cantabrians? I use them even more with success, lol, also have AP javelins so 2 of them are excelent general hunters :P
have womped a few people with this type of army so far:
2 Dubosaverlacica
3 Eiras
5 Caetranaan (1 Exp)
6 Gaesamica (1 Exp)
4 Iberi Milites
Yeah, that's 5 Elite infantry. Scary and command infantry are awesome...
It's also doable as Gauls, and I'll have to try it as the Sweboz some
That is kinda what I was testing in our supposed (lol) 2x2, Eiros+Caetrannan, I gess I missed the Dubos for the extra punch :P
How are Iberi Militis doing? I usualy never trust in them much, but probably with Eiros near maybe that could change.
My first games as Sweboz were without cavalry to great success, but I started using it because of the changes you did to their horseman. The problem I see with Sweboz atm is that they die like fles and lose the manpower to finish the enemy very easly, I've routed the enemy main line more than one time only to not have enought man to pursuit them (and eventualy they reagruped) or to be beaten by (armoured) archers =(.
The Celtic Viking
05-31-2011, 13:10
Check your EDU: Cantabrians don't have ap javelins. ~;)
gamegeek2
05-31-2011, 13:36
The Milites are mostly a meatshield. Then again over half that army's troops could be called meatshields :D
LusitanianWolf
05-31-2011, 14:01
Check your EDU: Cantabrians don't have ap javelins. ~;)
Ups, I wanted to say falcatas, my bad. 14 javs for killing light troops and ap falcatas to take the enemy general, what else can you want ;)
The Milites are mostly a meatshield. Then again over half that army's troops could be called meatshields :D
haha XD I prefer a shieldwall to a meatshield but I get your point ;)
gamegeek2
05-31-2011, 14:06
Trust me, you NEED to meatshield...
antisocialmunky
05-31-2011, 15:23
Or trees because the tree bonus is completely imbalanced.
Also, do we still want fire arrows to be banned now that general's BGs have eagle standards?
Burebista
05-31-2011, 15:55
Or trees because the tree bonus is completely imbalanced.
Also, do we still want fire arrows to be banned now that general's BGs have eagle standards?
maybe we should keep the rules fixed , as we start the tournament tomorrow?
i elieve that changes should only apply for august
gamegeek2
05-31-2011, 16:25
General BGs are not cost effective in combat, though, so it's a trade-off to bring one...
I will try my luck as Pontos this time.
Wait. There is no one who wants to fight for the honor of the celtic people? Then i need to play as Aedui.
gamegeek2
05-31-2011, 19:58
I would pick Aedui but LMT knows how to beat my strategy as them (I showed him ;) and ASM probably could too. So I'm instead taking the Sauromatae to battle. And I request that people don't just run away from playing me because I vary between steppe and non-steppe all the time...
Fire arrow ban is still in effect and I do not see it going anyway anytime in the near future. Maybe when management changes. :laugh4:
I have always considered a faction-specific 10-skirmisher limit for Lusotannan but seeing as few if any players would ever bring so many to a 36k battle (and that 24k battles have no such limits), I didn't make it official. Trust me, don't bring anywhere near 6 skirms unless they're cav if you're Luso. You'll need all the inf you can get!
gamegeek2
06-01-2011, 02:02
Vartan I assume you haven't seen me win with the strategy I posted above? The strategy is really very powerful, except against strong, prepared players. I guess every strategy is weak to that, though.
antisocialmunky
06-01-2011, 03:21
Skirms are quite worth it against the whole Germanic Unit Rooster.
The BG Eagles make it impossible to insta-break Mediterranean troops but who knows I guess, right?
Vartan I assume you haven't seen me win with the strategy I posted above? The strategy is really very powerful, except against strong, prepared players. I guess every strategy is weak to that, though.
I wasn't a witness to it. We'll have to wait and see!
The BG Eagles make it impossible to insta-break Mediterranean troops but who knows I guess, right?
The point is you want to make it impossible to insta-break anybody.
The battle against ************?
gamegeek2
06-01-2011, 06:55
First battle of the tournament!
gamegeek2 +1
LazyO -1
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AZZOYQT
I fully encourage commentary and watching all replays. I'd like to see 10 new EBO commentaries this month on YouTube!
Congrats on our first tournament battle players. I hope you had fun. I had fun watching, indeed. In light of that and some other things, I'd like to say a few words.
First and foremost, please please please, I can't say please enough!, please review your armies and make sure they are within the proper limits. If you're playing Steppe (SAC), please make sure you don't bring over 4 heavy cav. If you're playing Civ, please make sure you don't bring over 5 arch. I can't emphasize this enough. People do get upset when they see illicit compositions on the field. And let me tell you, if this happens and your opponent unknowingly brings an illicit army, please be kind enough to simply rehost and have them fix their army, to simply check the factional lists one last time. It isn't too much to ask, I think; I know we have different origins and different thoughts on such matters, but please bear with me on this one point.
Also, this is my mistake, but if you've seen the homepage lately of the site, SAC went from 8 to 10 arch limit. This makes it now exactly double that of CAC's 5. Very reasonable IMO, not ridiculously unfair. It's steppe after all. Don't know why I didn't do this before.
Good luck and much fun to all of you.
antisocialmunky
06-01-2011, 14:02
Because you get shot in the face to death.
Second battle of the tourney, First win for me :)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1s0cq80ee5335aq
LMT_710 +1
Stormrage -1
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-01-2011, 19:06
As vartan is allowing it, I will be signing up as Baktria.
Third Battle
Lazyo vs LMT
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20391101/LazyovsLMT.rpy
The Celtic Viking
06-01-2011, 21:27
Fourth battle chalks one up for Epeiros, though it was a very close battle. Brave Brave Sir Robin's Baktrians were my honourable foe.
http://www.mediafire.com/?fhgrp86y5ip3agb
gamegeek2
06-01-2011, 22:02
AGATHODAIMON defeats gg2
gg2 defeats ACS
http://www.mediafire.com/?cvtqp5b6diywlwh
EDIT: Then ACS defeats gg2. Go figure.
My second battle - not really very fun cause damn you need to be so concentrated to not lose your head :rolleyes:(this tourn will cost me couple of years of my life) but I can let the fun to my opponents ...I want only the goodluck .
So to make it shortly AGATHODAIMON defeats BraveSirRobin
www.mediafire.com/?i1vfbh8dmvr18fx
By the way I hope you trust in our honour( refering me and Gamegeek2) and more than this in my stupidity (cause for so much joy of winning against him I ve forgot to save battle replay) and please record my first success !
Public note: counting AGATHODAIMON's win against gamegeek2 tentatively until the final count at the completion of the month. If it is a critical point (i.e., difference between no win vs 3rd, 3rd n 2nd, or 2nd and 1st), then we'll have to see what the players have to say. In the past, we've always discarded claims without replays. It is unfair to players, frankly, and is a very clever mechanism by which to set up winners in the tournament. But we're not dumb, we spot these easily. Try us :laugh4:
Aulus Caecina Severus
06-01-2011, 23:17
EDIT: Then ACS defeats gg2. Go figure.
As gamegeek2 said: http://www.zshare.net/download/908918316e1235c7/
Thank you gg2, worthy opponent!
gamegeek2
06-02-2011, 03:11
Damn, it was with an illegal army. Whoops I'm an idiot.
Clear victory for gamegeek here. I really don't like to fight these crazy horsemen ;-). Na, it was kinda interesting, thanks.
Bah you people just do not understand us crazy horsemen.
Ok i assume this is the shortest battle ever played in EB Online history and also the most ridiculous =)).
http://www.mediafire.com/?2bdqi70zx9u5zwc
LMT_710 +1
Lazy_O -1
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20394715/LazyovsTCV_rpy
Win vs The Celtic Viking
Ok so this is another Pyrrhic Victory against TCV :
http://www.mediafire.com/?3bnpiiob5gsgj2p
one more point for me :D
The Celtic Viking
06-02-2011, 21:17
After two straight losses I have two straight victories, both against The oh-so-Brave-and-Beautiful sir Robin. Close victories both of them (especially the last where we were down to scrambles). Seems I need my opponent to be as green with his faction as I am with mine to win!
2nd battle: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5f0q4335c463s1a
3rd battle: http://www.mediafire.com/?bqe8op3j7xs6k6s
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-02-2011, 21:52
That last battle was quite close, it seems I am getting closer with every attempt in fact. Maybe fourth time's the charm.:sweatdrop:
Brave Brave Sir Robin got his first victory against me, I somewhat messed up in my first tourney match ;-)
http://hotfile.com/dl/119714248/edbcb05/RobinvsKival.rpy.html
The crazy horsemen strike again while their Sauromatae brethren take a breather.
Victory vs LMT
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20396706/LazyovsLMT2_rpy
My friend |Sith|3|Darth_Roach would like to sign up as Parthia.
BWAHAHAHA Another crazy horseman :D :D :D
I will also be uploading his replays
gamegeek2
06-03-2011, 15:14
I'll be back battling today :)
The Celtic Viking
06-03-2011, 16:53
(Baktria + Epeiros) - (Saka Rauka + Pahlava) = positive. LMT and I scored a victory in this 2v2 vs LazyO and Darth Roach.
http://www.mediafire.com/?izpl30k8kb1ukuh
It was a friendly. Why posting?
I can't take Roach in at this point, or anybody else. If he would like to participate in July's tournament I'd be glad to sign him up. This is why I open these threads 2 or 3 weeks before the start of the month.
But he told me he was joining before the tourney..... and it was stalled because of my computer issue :( not his fault
The Celtic Viking
06-03-2011, 21:02
It was a friendly. Why posting?
Obviously because I was under the impression that it was not, as was LMT. Whatever; it doesn't matter anyway.
Aedui win vs Pontos, my first victory against AGATHODAIMON:
http://hotfile.com/dl/119782260/b3d6495/AeduivsPontos.rpy.html
AGATHODAIMON vs. ACS .....great victory for Pontos
http://www.mediafire.com/?rcmcnl8fut5rcx4
I've put down DarthRoach in the tourney so I'll count the wins TCV and LMT got against him and LazyO. But I won't be accepting late registrations from now on and certainly won't take anything other than a 1v1.
Disclaimer: I'm a very nice person, don't let the above statement give you a wrong impression of me \(^___^)/
I'm not sure, if i understand properly. Only 1vs1 does count as tourney-matches?
I'm not sure, if i understand properly. Only 1vs1 does count as tourney-matches?
I'm sorry. Let me try to be clear. Since 2010 July began, there have only been two 2v2 battles (and no other team battles, 3v3, or 4v4): one in 2010 July and one this month in 2011 June. I am counting those points, but I am not accepting any more 2v2 battles in tournaments. It has to do with logistical problems, if that's the right word.
Kinda sad :( We should have an idea about this in the next tourney, because the number of players are increasing, as well as battles, this lead to the need of team battles.
We had a 3v3 battle not long ago. Although it's not tourney, it happened.
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-04-2011, 07:10
We could do a special team tournament. Would accommodate 2v2 and 3v3 battles and have a separate scoring system from the normal tourney.
We could do a special team tournament. Would accommodate 2v2 and 3v3 battles and have a separate scoring system from the normal tourney.
Precisely. This is what I attempted in the past, but we never got past the first round (we were using a bracket system). This is very viable. The reason I like to keep away from including team battles in statistics is because it wouldn't really do justice to the factions to change their win rates in this way. In team battles, certain matchups are more favourable than others. This is the same with 1v1 but not to the extent it is in 2v2 and beyond, where certain combinations prove far more deadly.
So Saka is not a the top then?
Victory (again) vs LMT
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20400740/LazyovsLMT3_rpy
So Saka is not a the top then?
I don't understand the question.
P.S. From my updated original post:
I used to write long strings of text on these threads, listing all the factions, players, and scores. That was tedious so I created a spreadsheet. Unfortunately, since I keep it offline and and have to constantly update the online version (on Google Docs), it's become a headache. As such, I will forever halt live updates of the spreadsheet and only release final results at the end of the month. Sorry for this inconvenience.
I will leave the fate of this game for the jury to decide. Stormrage left the game and did not appear since the match was played. (2-3 days).
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20401173/LazyovsStorm_rpy
I will leave the fate of this game for the jury to decide. Stormrage left the game and did not appear since the match was played. (2-3 days).
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20401173/LazyovsStorm_rpy
Clear victory.
gamegeek2
06-04-2011, 22:18
Gamegeek2 defeats Kival, this time for real.
'Twas not a slaughter, for the army of the steppe did not show up this battle, though the victory may be credited to the noble horsemen.
http://www.mediafire.com/?b42qhleg33b2tey
I don't understand the question.
P.S. From my updated original post:
[B]
NOOOOO :(
Hello everybody. In light of recent requests by players, I've decided to release three score reports before the final report, so that players can know where they stand. Here is the proposed schedule (I may post a day or two sooner or later, depending on my personal schedule):
EBOT 2011 June Score Report Schedule
12 June 2011
19 June 2011
26 June 2011
3 July 2011 (Final Results)
Please let me know if you have any suggestions, concerns or questions about this.
No need Vartan. I am volunteering to keep up the scoreboard.
No need Vartan. I am volunteering to keep up the scoreboard.
^_^ Thanks. I'll just put my 4 on the first post as a formality cause I'm like that (=
Victory vs Agath
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20408432/LazyovsAga_rpy
-Stormrage-
06-06-2011, 17:21
Hi,im part of the Community now
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-06-2011, 19:21
My second victory, this one over Burebista's Carthaginians
http://www.mediafire.com/?6yqc3b5ms0bmbl3
The Celtic Viking
06-06-2011, 19:50
I was going to watch that replay, Robin, but there seems to be an error. You might try uploading it again.
I take y'all's word when I download replays and count scores. I'd appreciate confirmation on that battle :)
Ovidiuhtm
06-06-2011, 20:03
he won it fair and square. Who knew greeks dont get phalanxes?:((
I am confused, are Burebista and Oviduhtem the same person?
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-06-2011, 21:47
Another victory for my Baktrian soldiers, this time over AGA's Pontic army.
http://www.mediafire.com/?uxz21xypgyya92n
As far as the error with the replay, is the link broken or is the file not working properly?
I am confused, are Burebista and Oviduhtem the same person?
Don't worry. You're not the one who is confused. It's Burebista/Ovidiuhtm who is confused here.
Just checked the replay actually. It's fine. Keep playing Brave Sir Robin.
Screenshot
https://i.imgur.com/kqWQk.jpg
-Stormrage-
06-07-2011, 10:06
Edit:moved to friendly match thread
Do not post friendly fights in this thread please.
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-07-2011, 15:28
Do not post friendly fights in this thread please.
There is in fact a separate thread for this if you would like to post there. In the interests of not confusing the count, I'd recommend editing your post to remove the link and just post it here instead. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135929-Interesting-friendly-fights
There is in fact a separate thread for this if you would like to post there. In the interests of not confusing the count, I'd recommend editing your post to remove the link and just post it here instead. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135929-Interesting-friendly-fights
This.
EDIT: Thank you very much.
Burebista
06-08-2011, 09:29
I've made this template in Excel 2007 to ease up the scoring part.
http://www.mediafire.com/?58owop1nz3wo14f
You just need to add the date of the match , Winner and Loser . it will update all scores automatically.
Vartan sorry for the delay.
MY fist offficial tourney battle with LMT...and oops almost defeated but stil VICTORY
http://www.mediafire.com/?dr92s4dqnlpya36
Burebista
06-08-2011, 22:37
A lame win agains Lazyo . Not much but it's something.
http://www.mediafire.com/?g3v89vp7o3y2pg7
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-08-2011, 22:43
Victory over ACS's Romans. Well played match.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dossn84ekfk8282
A lame win agains Lazyo . Not much but it's something.
http://www.mediafire.com/?g3v89vp7o3y2pg7
I request the jury to decide on that, my cavalry had barely moved a muscle and my infantry was at full strength, lines had not engaged when my power went out.
I request the jury to decide on that, my cavalry had barely moved a muscle and my infantry was at full strength, lines had not engaged when my power went out.
I'll take a look at the replay. In the meantime, Burebista, could you tell me if you got a message during play saying the opponent left and that his army would be controlled by the AI? I'm supposing that's what would happen. And I'm also assuming the replay wouldn't show when LazyO left battle. I don't think it records things like that. I'll try loading the replay later today if/when I get a chance.
No it didnt, my power went out before the lines collided, Burebista I presume did not notice the message and continued to fight the AI.
Burebista
06-10-2011, 08:49
I request the jury to decide on that, my cavalry had barely moved a muscle and my infantry was at full strength, lines had not engaged when my power went out.
Lazyo had a steppe army with 10 various archers in them . After 30 min of fighting , his missiles were spend but the casualties were 20 % for him and 9 % for me. in addition most of the 20 % were cavalry ( 3 groups of light HA , half a stack of catas , 2 halves of medium HA , 4 groups of foot archers halved) . My losses were mostly cretan archers and maybe half a stack of Cav.
He simulated a full scale assault and just when our lines were clashing , he disconnected , not only from the game , but from Hamachi too , and he didnt return for at least an hour , giving no explaination whatsoever.
In my view , it was a classical " things are not good , pull the plug " thing. If he had indeed got a crash , he should at least have contacted me asking for a rematch or smthing. he did not thus a clear "rage quit".
No it was a classical power outage, after which I went to sleep :). The things you killed were useless, Foot archers and normal HA, all my cataphracts were at full strength, and the alans were only had minimal casualties and were very much capable of inflicting alot of damage, if you have any doubts, just watch the rest of my replays and you will find that most of my foot archers die during the archer war which is NORMAL. If you want, we can schedule a rematch today, but I will be wary since the electricity situation currently is not very good. Foot archers were MEANT to be killed and the normal saka HA are useless once the arrows are gone, and btw, if you want your units not to be shot at while hidden, Dont move them ;P
Burebista
06-10-2011, 09:27
No it was a classical power outage, after which I went to sleep :). The things you killed were useless, Foot archers and normal HA, all my cataphracts were at full strength, and the alans were only had minimal casualties and were very much capable of inflicting alot of damage, if you have any doubts, just watch the rest of my replays and you will find that most of my foot archers die during the archer war which is NORMAL. If you want, we can schedule a rematch today, but I will be wary since the electricity situation currently is not very good. Foot archers were MEANT to be killed and the normal saka HA are useless once the arrows are gone, and btw, if you want your units not to be shot at while hidden, Dont move them ;P
Funny that you mention it now , and not on any occasion that i've been online.
Fine , i will rematch , but i do want the point from that match otherwise anyone who desn't like how the game is going will just pull the plug.
As for all that " catas is all i need to rule you " theory , all i know is that if someone plays steppe , he will usually try to get you at least to 50 % strength with 0 cav before his missiles run out to have a good change in melee against phalanxes/spearmen ( which i had 11 units of full strength + 1 Iberian assault inf + 3 HCav units)
I suggest you watch any of my replays , and you will figure out i dont give a rats arse whether you have 20 infantry and 5 cavalry. AS for that point, I still maintain my stand that my power went out, I had a battle against LMT which I lost, when my eles routed, I admitted defeat, im not stupid you know.
I have just seen the replay for the battle in question. It turns out that Carthage fielded an illegal army. If you remember, Carthage is specially allowed 15 mercenaries due to its military history. Note the army that Carthage fielded.
8 x Mercenary Celto-Hellenic Infantry
4 x Mercenary Cretan Archers
4 x Mercenary Hellenic Medium Phalanx
1 x Iberian Assault Infantry
2 x Iberian Heavy Cavalry
1 x Carthaginian Bodyguard
Note that Carthage brought 16 mercenaries, just beyond the allowed limit. LazyO's appeal is irrelevant in this case, as it turns out. This power outage does seem to be most interesting, however. :book: Sometimes, I think, I could use a power outage myself.
Have fun gaming. Some 20 days remain in this tournament!
EDIT: I did some timing. It turns out that the replay is 1.5M frames long, and that Saka starts displaying AI behavior around 1.2M frames. This means that LazyO played 20 of the 25 minute battle. I can safely say that at around 20 minutes, the Saka player left the battle.
Burebista
06-10-2011, 10:51
DUH! Facepalm.
Totally forgot about making sure i have 5 factionals
Epic fail is so fail, so we still have a rematch :P ??
Victory vs Stormrage, bwahahahahah you cant catch me now, +4 BABY!!!!
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20422588/vsStorm2_rpy
Victory vs Stormrage, bwahahahahah you cant catch me now, +4 BABY!!!!
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20422588/vsStorm2_rpy
Are you sure this wasn't a friendly? I remember you two playing a friendly earlier and I just want to make sure.
No, this was not a friendly .
AGA wins against Celtic Viking ..no more g*y comentaries http://www.mediafire.com/?b1wiyhdqylekuif
Good good, now since you both are presumably at an equal skill level , why dont you just fight 10 more battles so I dont have to fight any more tourney and win the whole thing :D
First score report up on the original post now.
gamegeek2
06-14-2011, 03:31
gg2 defeats LMT. Well played!
http://www.mediafire.com/?inbjov84qbfeu44
Another victory for lazyo, this time against my aedui:
http://ul.to/lqzsmmoy
Lazyo is really steamrolling everyone ~
antisocialmunky
06-17-2011, 15:05
Stop being feeders.
If only I had more opponents like you and GG2 :D
gamegeek2
06-17-2011, 18:45
gg2 takes down LazyO, per request of Kival!
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20450330/battle.rpy
AGATHODAIMON Pontic army had enjoyed like never before the Saka's dead horse smell....insane victory of AGA on Sith Lazyo
http://www.mediafire.com/?e23cj2w2a2ij3bk
Great! Congratulations Aga!
gamegeek2
06-19-2011, 05:23
Ha! Now it's AGA at the top of the standings!
I'll have to get that rematch before I head off to the middle of nowhere...
Not really, its you,me and aga tied at no.1 :D
The Celtic Viking told me that one of my armies were not legal becaue boii swordsmen are not factional. I did not know this until now, and fear that other of my matches were illegal, too.
In fact my victory against AGA was with a boii-based army, too. I can understand if it does not count anymore, but in general i do not understand why they are not factional whereas e.g. Noricene Gaecori (Noricum Spearmen) are factional.
The possibility to use boii swordsmen is plausible for an increasing celtic power, they are celtic in core and have no own faction to whom they are factional. Surely they are not troops of the aedui but belgae units and pictones and naked fanatics etc. are also not really troops of the aedui.
I would ask for the boii to be included in the factional troop list for gameplay purposes (greater flexibility) and logic reasons (boii are gauls and are not more non-aedui as celtic axemen for excample).
The Celtic Viking told me that one of my armies were not legal becaue boii swordsmen are not factional. I did not know this until now, and fear that other of my matches were illegal, too.
In fact my victory against AGA was with a boii-based army, too. I can understand if it does not count anymore, but in general i do not understand why they are not factional whereas e.g. Noricene Gaecori (Noricum Spearmen) are factional.
The possibility to use boii swordsmen is plausible for an increasing celtic power, they are celtic in core and have no own faction to whom they are factional. Surely they are not troops of the aedui but belgae units and pictones and naked fanatics etc. are also not really troops of the aedui.
I would ask for the boii to be included in the factional troop list for gameplay purposes (greater flexibility) and logic reasons (boii are gauls and are not more non-aedui as celtic axemen for excample).
Hi Kival,
I don't think it would be fair to disqualify past games due to something as simple as this. I was just talking to my friend, and we found it quite funny that a video game tournament could get so nuanced to the point where choosing one unit/resource/whatever could ruin everything. :laugh4: He said that these factional rules are kind of like computer programming in that there are many unforeseen problematic cases that can arise. Here's what I think: would it be possible to simply let the past remain the past and move on, making sure your future armies are composed correctly?
About the issue of the Boii not being Aedui-factional while units with "Noricum" and "Belgae" in their names are factional, I'm not qualified to say much about that, unfortunately. All I know is almost all of these factional unit lists were developed to parallel the factional unit listings on EB's website. I wish someone knowledgeable on the Aedui, Boii and other relevant peoples would speak up on this.
The Celtic Viking
06-20-2011, 01:24
I do sympathize and am inclined to agree with Kival's point, but a unit that could use it more are the Kluddacorii. They just can't compete for one of those 5 merc spots. I mean, who would really pick a 16 defence shortswordsman unit instead of, say, tekastos, drwdae, boiis, iberi scutari etc.? You've got an equal-numbers, 15 defence shortswordsman unit that is factional already in the Bagaudas if you really want that.
Of course, if you do make them factional, question is what role Bagaudas would play as they seem slightly inferior yet still very slightly more expensive as well. But then again, they don't seem to be playing a role as is anyway, so... :shrug:
Simple Solution : Kick them from the roster. Really, Shortswords seem really out of place in the gallic roster as anything other than javelin fodder, even then, they are too expensive to do that properly :shame:
The Celtic Viking
06-20-2011, 09:47
That's not a solution.
Then suggest a solution.
In the meantime, LazyO once again establishes himself at the top of the ladder, at least until gamegeek shows up, then I can politely refuse, mehehehehehe
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20462153/vsRobin.rpy
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20462153/vsRobin.rpy
Five heavy cavalry (three Saka Bodyguard Cav + two Early Saka Nobles).
I've decided to make a public, readable version of how 'heavy' is determined.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B8pgdrJqBnJBNTIxYzVhZWQtZGU0Yy00MGVlLWFlNzItM2FlNmFjOGRiNmNl&hl=en_US
Facepalms, ah well, nice battle still :D
Rematch with Robin :
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20465563/vsRobin.rpy
Two victories against The Celtic Viking for my Aeduis:
1. http://ul.to/i4oa0fr2
2. http://ul.to/qg3ot4mh
No Boiis ;-). It was nice to play against you TCV. :bow:
Another victory for me against The Celtic Viking.
Very nice match :D
http://www.mediafire.com/?bdpbudqbfr95dh7
gamegeek2
06-23-2011, 03:13
http://www.mediafire.com/?ippbltnhymhq6au
Great match against LMT, who proves the most worthy opponent I've faced this tournament (AGA is probably a close second) but gamegeek emerges triumphant!
This is why I recommend Mediafire: when I am downloading two replays consecutively from a file host that is restrictive, I have to make a note to download that second or third replay some time later.
https://i.imgur.com/5afYE.png
Sorry, I did not know that. I just used it because I've used it before. Shall I rehost my replays by mediafire?
The Celtic Viking
06-23-2011, 19:07
Victory against Robin. Well played, comrade.
http://www.mediafire.com/?3ytiht23ispjvvf
Another victory for me against The Celtic Viking.
Very nice match :D
Maybe from your perspective. From mine it's one of the worst. (Something that is getting more and more competition with every game I play in this tournament. ... why do I suddenly get the feeling that I'm about to get bombarded with challenges?) :shame:
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-23-2011, 19:52
Haha, well you still beat me TCV.
On a brighter note, victory against Storm's KH. http://www.mediafire.com/?72hwvx9spst7sfi
Sorry, I did not know that. I just used it because I've used it before. Shall I rehost my replays by mediafire?
It's okay, and in the future, yes, please do so.
EDIT: As much as I love all of you (it's true!) :iloveyou: I'm a bit disappointed. At the start of this tournament, I was so excited to see how quickly battles were racking up. I even mentioned that at that rate, we would see just about 100 battles in total, some 30 or 40 more than July 2010. Nevertheless I consider it a success when everyone gets to play a few battles. We all have different schedules and so I don't schedule battles or use a bracket system, so people play ad hoc when they happen to be concurrently online. I hope you enjoy your last few days of June, both on and off the battlefield. Play safely and take breaks please! :laugh4:
The Celtic Viking
06-27-2011, 20:06
Play safely and take breaks please! :laugh4:
You might want to be careful with what you wish for: this might be why you didn't get your 100 battles. ~;)
Anyway, today has been a good day for Epeiros: I've scored two new victories, one vs Agathodaimon and a Pyrrhic one vs Robin. (You keep on getting closer and closer with every battle, my friend. :sweatdrop:)
vs Aga: http://www.mediafire.com/?233u7qkok9sdz62
vs Rob: http://www.mediafire.com/?rcmw2gd474x6sg9
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-27-2011, 22:58
I will beat you eventually TCV. One day.
In other news a victory over Stormrage. http://www.mediafire.com/?h6o9sbd96cuhd8m
The Celtic Viking
06-28-2011, 03:24
Can't fault you for not trying.
Anyway, LMT practically handed me a victory with his epic fail of a deployment in this one.
http://www.mediafire.com/?blt582v0nuxl32c
So much standing work... so little time...
gamegeek2
06-28-2011, 07:06
If Lazo plays another game he is breaking our agreement. Lazyo can we both affirm that all other games we play during this month are friendlies?
Thing is gg2, now 3 guys are tied at first, I am waiting for you to come on hamachi for our chat. Such internal matters must not be discussed in public :D
-Stormrage-
06-28-2011, 14:28
Vartan , i think the missile limit for CIv should be increased because, this limit is accually limiting 3 types of units its limiting archhers slingers and horse archers, so naturally the limit should be increased to 6 atlleast.
gamegeek2
06-28-2011, 17:06
The website's down and I need the password.
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-28-2011, 17:24
Vartan , i think the missile limit for CIv should be increased because, this limit is accually limiting 3 types of units its limiting archhers slingers and horse archers, so naturally the limit should be increased to 6 atlleast.
Why are you massing missile units as a civilized faction though anyway? 3-5 is usually enough.
The website's down and I need the password.
It's eb? Or do you mean the network id? Both can be found in the first posting of this thread
031-664-896
041-531-937
Brave Brave Sir Robin
06-28-2011, 19:01
He means the ebonline site.
Victory against Aga's Pontics. I was finally able to locate the file. Back to where I started, 0.
http://www.mediafire.com/?d537i37zo1r1f5o
Victory against Lmt:
http://www.mediafire.com/?754r568d32x0i2q
He means the ebonline site.
Sorry about the site. Here's the factional lists you can view in the meantime, while network ID and pass are on first post.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AspgdrJqBnJBdFJSUUR2NkRVa3Jodl9FcEtFbmYwSVE&hl=en_US
This time a victory against Robin!
http://www.mediafire.com/?tis9zs0hn7x3vcv
My final battle this month and the only one against mr.Stormrage...win for me
http://www.mediafire.com/?5z6uaec4xik33vd
The EB Online Tournament 2011 June is now over. Thank you everybody for participating. If you for whatever reason wanted to participate but were not able to, feel free to register for the July 2011 tournament, making sure to download EBO MP EDU v2.1.
Sorry for the double post slash bump. Just want to have this on people's control panel notifications. Basically I've uploaded the final scores for all players and factions on the original post for you to see how everyone fared. Thanks for playing.
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