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Arthur, king of the Britons
05-09-2011, 10:02
Happy Europe day fellow Europeans! Let this be a time of remembrance of how long we have come since the days of WWI and WWII, and how distant the thought of taking up arms against one's neighbour is nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXuhvzbQ5EI
Europe is united now
United that it may remain;
Our unity in diversity
May contribute to world peace.
May there forever reign in Europe
Faith and justice and Freedom
For all its many people
In a greater motherland
Citizens, Europe will flourish,
A great task calls on to you.
The stars in the night sky
Are the symbols that unite us.
Est Europa nunc unita
et unita maneat;
una in diversitate
pacem mundi augeat.
Semper regant in Europa
fides et iustitia
et libertas populorum
in maiore patria.
Cives, floreat Europa,
opus magnum vocat vos.
Stellae signa sunt in caelo
aureae, quae iungant nos.
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium!
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, Dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo Dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YcgACl1Sr8&feature=player_embedded
Happy EUSSR day
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 10:18
thank god the foreign office and the treasury are not going along with this nonsense, no EU flags for them.
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just in case anyone is unaware; Europe Day is a celebration of Robert Schuman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuman_Declaration
So what this is is a celebration of supranational governance in general, and a federal europe in particular.
In fact, this is the circle-jerk day for the rank idiocy that is transnational progressivism.
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Understandably I want no part in it.
I guess Independence Day must be Circlejerk Day for Americans then, mhm?
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 11:24
they got independence, we got ever-deeper-union, there is an appreciable difference.
Cute Wolf
05-09-2011, 13:07
well, Napoleon's dream finally comes true, minus England and Napoleon as Emperor.
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 14:08
well, Napoleon's dream finally comes true, minus England and Napoleon as Emperor.
denmark deserves credit too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt-outs_in_the_European_Union#Table
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hilariously #no2eu is trending on twitter during europe day!:laugh4:
So long as I get to wish you a very happy Europe Day.
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 14:59
fill your boots.
So long as I get to wish you a very happy Europe Day.
Of course you can but it would be cruel
Louis VI the Fat
05-09-2011, 15:06
Hurray for the prettiest of all continents! :smitten:
Furunculus and Fragony are jealous incontinents. ~:hurray: :europe:
~~o~~o~~<<oOo>>~~o~~o~~
The world watches in awe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTDkfkoBaI
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 15:23
genius video Louis!:laugh4:
Strike For The South
05-09-2011, 15:34
THOSE VIDEOS OF MY SISTER ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATE!
She nearly done messed up thar.
Louis VI the Fat
05-09-2011, 16:11
THOSE VIDEOS OF MY SISTER ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATE!Don't worry! Those videos of your sis I make sure are kept private by only sharing them in the secret Mod pr0n stash.
Oh dear. In her defence, she can probably suck the white out of your eyes
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 17:29
EU: the greatest chance europe has ever had of finally ridding itself with the petty nationalism which infest the continent.
Death to the nation-state, long live the Union!
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 19:13
says the man from a country outside the eu........ :p
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 19:24
says the man from a country outside the eu........ :p
Norway is, as they say, more european than any other european country. We have adopted each and every rule, standard, etc that comes from Brüssels. Why? Because the EU is good for not just our economy, but every other economy as well.
The only real difference between Norway and a member state is that the member state has representation and influence, which Norway does not. Almost everything else is the same.
Also, why does it matter where I'm from? Is a Chinese man's dream of democracy ridiculous because he doesn't live in one?
Peasant Phill
05-09-2011, 20:00
66 years without a war between the member states.
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo Dein sanfter Flügel weilt. indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YcgACl1Sr8&feature=player_embedded
Happy EUSSR day
This guy is awesome. Thanks for the video.
Strike For The South
05-09-2011, 21:01
You can jeer in parliment?
Maybe blighty is more than Hogwarts and footy......
Norway is, as they say, more european than any other european country. We have adopted each and every rule, standard, etc that comes from Brüssels. Why? Because the EU is good for not just our economy, but every other economy as well.
That depends, while I generally support the Union etc. I am increasingly getting the impressions that the people who make decisions are not thinking things through, or in other words, not doing their jobs properly.
One indication of course, is that Greece got into the Eurozone by lying and noone noticed they faked their finances.
Another is that we're all forced to use CFLs now but a laboratory working for a german TV magazine apparently found out that they emit carcinogenic gases (http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/markt/wohnen_energie/energiesparlampen119.html).
Link is in German because I cannot find one in english, google translate may be of help.
Add to that that if they break, they poison the whole room as well with all the heavy metals etc. in them.
And thanks to the EU, we cannot go back, LED may be an alternative but they're still expensive, not always suited for the same tasks and who knows how poisonous they are?
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 21:23
Bah!
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 21:55
Another is that we're all forced to use CFLs now but a laboratory working for a german TV magazine apparently found out that they emit carcinogenic gases (http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/markt/wohnen_energie/energiesparlampen119.html).
Link is in German because I cannot find one in english, google translate may be of help.
Add to that that if they break, they poison the whole room as well with all the heavy metals etc. in them.
And thanks to the EU, we cannot go back, LED may be an alternative but they're still expensive, not always suited for the same tasks and who knows how poisonous they are?
There is a loophole you market them as heaters due to the element inside the glass and take advantage of purely coincidently illumination. (http://heatball.de/en/)
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 22:04
Some people are always afraid of new technology.
Flourescent light is complrtely superior to the old bulb. There is absolutely no advantage to the latter in regards to the former.
This is one of the reasons why the EU is great: it can force through change in spite of the people who are afraid of new technology.
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 22:13
Some people are always afraid of new technology.
Flourescent light is complrtely superior to the old bulb. There is absolutely no advantage to the latter in regards to the former.
This is one of the reasons why the EU is great: it can force through change in spite of the people who are afraid of new technology.
Untrue there can be many reasons for the use of either incandessant or flourescent light, you dont dictate such a thing instead you use the correct light for the job in hand.
You dont fix a slate roof with a sledgehammer now do you???
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 22:16
Name one.
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 22:21
Also, why does it matter where I'm from? Is a Chinese man's dream of democracy ridiculous because he doesn't live in one?
no, but your implication that Norway isn't a 'proper' democracy, because it isn't in the EU, is. if that is indeed what you allude to by mention of china. :)
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 22:22
Name one.
If you require a longer lasting bulb incandescent bulbs can be made to last for many many thousands upon thousands of hours instead of the usual 1000 or so they actually did.(purely because of the light bulb manufacturers)
Speed of ilumination is quicker and they do not flicker with age or with low temperature
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 22:24
no, but your implication that Norway isn't a 'proper' democracy, because it isn't in the EU, is. if that is indeed what you allude to by mention of china. :)
Uhm..... No, that's not what I meant at all. Kinda surprised how you managed to draw that conclusion....
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 22:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YcgACl1Sr8&feature=player_embedded
Happy EUSSR day
awesome vid frags.
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 22:31
If you require a longer lasting bulb incandescent bulbs they can be made to last for many many thousands upon thousands of hours instead of the usual 1000 or so they actually did.(purely because of the light bulb manufacturers)
Speed of ilumination is quicker and they do not flicker with age or with low temperature
Thousands upon thousands, eh? A bog standard flourescent bulb lasts 10-15.000 hours.
They flicker in the cold? My fathers work lamps have always been flourescent, and I've never seen any flickering in the cold Norwegian winters. The outside lighting at the army base in Bardufoss, Northern Norway, a frozen hell-hole was also flourescent. Never noticed any flickering there either.
Speed of illumination is quicker? An old myth. They can be as quick as anyone could need. Motion activated light needs the bulb to activate very quickly, and most of them have been flourescent for years now.
I don't need you to list any pros and cons. I just need one actual situation where the old beats the new.
But not that it matters anyway. The law forces the change for the regular consumer, and for a regular consumer there is absolutely zero reason to use an old bulb. The reluctance we see is nothing but a fear-reflex over new stuff and hate towards a changing world.
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 22:53
Incandescent bulbs can last decades.
But not that it matters anyway. The law forces the change for the regular consumer, and for a regular consumer there is absolutely zero reason to use an old bulb. The reluctance we see is nothing but a fear-reflex over new stuff and hate towards a changing world.
By the way you make it sound like I would prevent flourscent bulbs purely because it came from the EU, my point is banning a perfectly serviceable technology from a missguided attempt to save energy is silly.
Proper plans for lighting in ones homes and business are the key to energy efficiency if you set out maximize natural light and work out usage patterns it's far more effective than just changing bulbs.
Dimmer switches and CFLs do not mix. My biggest complaint (and I use CFLs when possible).
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 23:05
Dimmer switches and CFLs do not mix. My biggest complaint (and I use CFLs when possible).
Thats because you can reduce voltage on an incandescent bulb, this can be used then in a situation where it may be inaccessible a lot of the time allied with the lower voltage it can allow a longer life.
Furunculus
05-09-2011, 23:19
lol, a debate about the correct form of light-bulbs is very worthy, and very EU i might add, but it is hardly pertinent to the greater ambitions we celebrate in europe day, surely?
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 23:24
lol, a debate about the correct form of light-bulbs is very worthy, and very EU i might add, but it is hardly pertinent to the greater ambitions we celebrate in europe day, surely?
I couldnt pass it up Furunculus my good man, every time I hear talk of energy saving bulbs and windmills and various other schemes without actually looking at the entire picture it makes me want to scream.
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 23:31
Dimmer switches and CFLs do not mix. My biggest complaint (and I use CFLs when possible).
They most certainly do!
Just look for bulbs that say "compatible with dimming".
If you have a mac and buy software that doesn't say it's compatible with macs and it doesn't work, would you say that macs and software don't mix?
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 23:37
Just look for bulbs that say "compatible with dimming".
They are special type of bulb and are strictly limited in there dimming as too low a voltage cut the life of the bulb
Anyway enough about bulbs back to the OP
Happy Eur :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: no sorry I cannot do it, honestly I like europe but this is just some silly EU makey uppy lark that basically wastes everyones time
HoreTore
05-09-2011, 23:43
They are special type of bulb and are strictly limited in there dimming as too low a voltage cut the life of the bulb
If your dimming needs aren't covered by flourescent bulbs, simply buy leds. Miles better than the obsolete tech bulb.
Louis VI the Fat
05-09-2011, 23:49
lol, a debate about the correct form of light-bulbs is very worthy, and very EU i might add, but it is hardly pertinent to the greater ambitions we celebrate in europe day, surely?Hah! At last, the beauty of the European project is beginning to dawn on you!
Europe was born on the ninth of may, one day after the eight, which marks the end of half a century of European self-destruction. A destruction coming from so many sides, driven by so many ideologies, that the one remedy was thought to be to smother endemic European disagreement in detailed talk over lightbulbs and babana curvature. Genius. The way you keep twenty-five eight year old boys off each other's throat by expending their energy by letting them play cowboys and indians outside.
For this reason, once the European project is completed, I will demand it is immediately dismantled again, and the process started all over. Because the project itself, not unification or any other future goal, is the ultimate meaning of the EU. :beam:
Hail the EU! Hail the world's greatest continent!
gaelic cowboy
05-09-2011, 23:52
If your dimming needs aren't covered by flourescent bulbs, simply buy leds. Miles better than the obsolete tech bulb.
Right one last point and this really is the last one voltage is a big concern with LED tech adding cost to the installation.
Hah! At last, the beauty of the European project is beginning to dawn on you!
Europe was born on the ninth of may, one day after the eight, which marks the end of half a century of European self-destruction. A destruction coming from so many sides, driven by so many ideologies, that the one remedy was thought to be to smother endemic European disagreement in detailed talk over lightbulbs and babana curvature. Genius. The way you keep twenty-five eight year old boys off each other's throat by expending their energy by letting them play cowboys and indians outside.
For this reason, once the European project is completed, I will demand it is immediately dismantled again, and the process started all over. Because the project itself, not unification or any other future goal, is the ultimate meaning of the EU. :beam:
Hail the EU! Hail the world's greatest continent!
:beam:
Now on to the real issues tea with milk or milk with tea.
Furunculus
05-10-2011, 00:10
I couldnt pass it up Furunculus my good man, every time I hear talk of energy saving bulbs and windmills and various other schemes without actually looking at the entire picture it makes me want to scream.
well, they are rubbish, for my father with poor eyesight after a lifetime of reading they are like a prison sentence............... which is why he bought a couple of hundred for storage in the garage before stocks ran out.
gaelic cowboy
05-10-2011, 00:16
The idea was noble but in practice an unwanted intrusion far better to implement rules on domestic houses to having a proper lighting plan.
It should not be a case that flourescent is good incandescent bad the pisture is far more complicated than that, we didnt ban hods or wheelbarrows cos somone invented the teleporter now did we.
Rhyfelwyr
05-10-2011, 00:38
Flouresecent bulbs are crap because they take half an hour to light up, I dont' even bother using the ones in my house.
All it proves is that the union needs to be stronger and there needs to be more stripping away of the nation state and the enforcement of democracy at a European level.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-10-2011, 02:05
All it proves is that the union needs to be stronger and there needs to be more stripping away of the nation state and the enforcement of democracy at a European level.
Enforcement of Democracy.
Tripping merrily in to Stalinism again, Beskar.
Louis VI the Fat
05-10-2011, 02:18
Enforcement of Democracy.
Tripping merrily in to Stalinism again, Beskar.Imagine that...democracy being enforced. Stalinism indeed.
Next Europe is going to enforce liberty and human rights too. :no:
Rhyfelwyr
05-10-2011, 02:40
Imagine that...democracy being enforced. Stalinism indeed.
Next Europe is going to enforce liberty and human rights too. :no:
The question is why do they feel they have the right to enforce it at the European level without any popular support.
Making institutions democratically accountable is Stalinism?
I thought I was meant to be the communist, PVC, looks like you been reading too much USSR Propaganda.
Cute Wolf
05-10-2011, 05:02
so, let's clone Napoleon and put him as Emperor!
Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day
Sarmatian
05-10-2011, 08:16
Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day
C'mon, be reasonable. You have plenty and Greeks can't keep receiving higher pensions than Germans otherwise.
You should demand a free holiday, though.
C'mon, be reasonable. You have plenty and Greeks can't keep receiving higher pensions than Germans otherwise.
You should demand a free holiday, though.
Sure our inner calvinist loves the idea of good works till the age of 67 to pay for these hairy feta-gobblers' socialism
edit: BG I am angry at you as well
Celtic meow gawd
Hi Ronin!
any Spanish
HoreTore
05-10-2011, 09:00
The question is why do they feel they have the right to enforce it at the European level without any popular support.
Why do we feel we have the right to enforce democracy in Russia, where Putin has overwhelming support?
How dare we enforce rights and liberties upon those who would rather be slaves?!
Furunculus
05-10-2011, 09:46
we don't enforce democracy in russia, where did you get that idea?
HoreTore
05-10-2011, 10:24
we don't enforce democracy in russia, where did you get that idea?
That's because we don't have the strength to do it, not because we don't want to.
Furunculus
05-10-2011, 11:14
have we enforced democracy on belarus?
HoreTore
05-10-2011, 11:15
have we enforced democracy on belarus?
We support the democratic opposition with money and resources, yes.
Some people are always afraid of new technology.
I'm absolutely not afraid of new technology, I love new technology, but only if new means better.
It does actually happen that new turns out to be worse or not entirely thought through, and then it's perfectly reasonable to oppose it.
Flourescent light is complrtely superior to the old bulb. There is absolutely no advantage to the latter in regards to the former.
I just mentioned one, they emit poisonous gases. Nothing that will outright kill you and I haven't taken out mine, but I'm not very fond of things that kill me in the long run.
And they do take longer to turn on, I replaced the lightbulb in my bathroom with a CFL and it takes several minutes until it has reached it's full potential, at first the bathroom is still somewhat dark.
Plus, they die faster if you turn them on and off, the 10 years or however many hours it says on the package may be true if you never turn them off. I had to replace one lately that I bought maybe 3-5 years ago. That's not even half of the 10 years they advertise on the package and it was on a lamp that i hardly turned on in the last two years as well.
Not exactly what I would consider superior technology, all my hopes rest on LEDs now but so far they seem to cost 20€ and upwards if you want anything more than a decorative one that cannot light up an entire room and I had some problems finding ones that fit into my lamps, most of them have weird connectors.
This is one of the reasons why the EU is great: it can force through change in spite of the people who are afraid of new technology.
I generally agree, but this only works if the EU does think things through and considers all angles, if they just go on a hunch or a popular movement without thinking about the consequences then this can be really bad.
gaelic cowboy
05-10-2011, 14:06
Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day
Thats cos there really bailouts of the ECB forcing the taxpayers of Europe but North and South to bail it out in pursuit of mythical eurozone stability.
The ECB loves having all the attributes of a central bank but none of the messy things like actually running a proper single currency
HoreTore
05-10-2011, 14:35
Poisonous gases?
Hah! There are people who believe cell phones kill you too. I don't see why we should pay any attention whatsoever to such people.
Rhyfelwyr
05-10-2011, 18:57
Why do we feel we have the right to enforce democracy in Russia, where Putin has overwhelming support?
How dare we enforce rights and liberties upon those who would rather be slaves?!
Now you're just being silly. I am talking about people already living in a democracy. The EU can't just decide we are all going to have democracy at the European rather than the national level, any more than Serbia can just annex Kosovo and tell them not to complain because they are still part of a democracy.
Poisonous gases?
Hah! There are people who believe cell phones kill you too. I don't see why we should pay any attention whatsoever to such people.
There was a laboratory that tested it, not just random people who believe this for no reason, they also mentioned that one of the manufacturers wanted to look where those gases come from when they told them.
Concerning the rest, in the 70ies or so teachers here were expected to get x-rayed several times a year or so as part of regular health checks. By now it's known that x-rays are quite unhealthy if you get a whole lot of them, very similar to being subjected to radiation in fact. If everybody had had your attitude, who knows how many people would've died because of it?
I don't believe that cellphones can kill you, but they may cause some health problems in the long run, to claim that something that emits electromagnetic waves has no effect on anything other than another such communication device is quite absurd, just look at the connection to bees (http://www.ehow.com/list_7681790_effects-cell-phones-bees.html).
So basically I don't see why I should be forced to use something that is proven to emit carcinogenic gases in order to "save the environment".
And if I drop it and it breaks, I have to evacuate the area because it has heavy metals in it.
You know, I'm all for saving the environment, but not if it has a high chance of killing or hurting me.
Furunculus
05-11-2011, 00:52
HT is commited to flourescent bulbs because it is european, not because it makes sense, this much should be clear. all hail Robert Schuman
Just admit it that you hate peace
HoreTore
05-11-2011, 09:27
HT is commited to flourescent bulbs because it is european, not because it makes sense, this much should be clear. all hail Robert Schuman
HoreTore's first job at the age of 17 was producing and installing flourescent and LED-lamps.
In other words, years before the EU thought about this.
Furunculus
05-11-2011, 11:24
interesting, i retract my previous statement............ and commit hari-kiri. :)
gaelic cowboy
05-11-2011, 11:40
HoreTore's first job at the age of 17 was producing and installing flourescent and LED-lamps.
In other words, years before the EU thought about this.
:laugh4: is there anything you havent done
Tellos Athenaios
05-11-2011, 18:37
Flourescent lamps? -- Never heard of those.
Or fluorescent? -- Seems more of a party trick.
Or halogen lamps? -- Those usually contain Chlorine. Normal lamps contain nitrogen gas by the way, so you wouldn't want to inhale that either.
Greyblades
05-11-2011, 18:39
Or halogen lamps? -- Those usually contain Chlorine. Normal lamps contain nitrogen gas by the way, so you wouldn't want to inhale that either.
The air is 70% nitrogen. Its harmless.
Tellos Athenaios
05-11-2011, 19:32
The air is 70% nitrogen. Its harmless.
Eh, no it isn't. The fact that air is a mixture of 20% oxygen with other gases that do not react nearly as readily as the oxygen is what makes the 70% nitrogen in it “harmless” (provided that you can breathe it out).
Either way in quantities contained in a lamp neither is very likely to have long lasting ill effects on you. The whole point: halogen lamps are every bit as safe as ordinary lamps.
The whole point: halogen lamps are every bit as safe as ordinary lamps.
Apart from setting stuff on fire. ~;)
HoreTore
05-12-2011, 00:29
:laugh4: is there anything you havent done
:beam:
For someone my age, I have a very diverse job experience. I grew up on a farm, and I've worked as a sysadmin, produced lamps, produced mattresses on an assembly line, installed electronics in cars, unloaded ships at the docks, delivered kitchens to building sites, cleaned building sites, packaged modems, sold bed-linens and worked at a gas station and a supermarket. I was also conscripted for a year.... I think that covers most of it. Now, I still work at a supermarket in addition to studying to be a teacher as well as working as one. And still, Frags refers to me as part of the "elite", those who have no contact with "ordinary people"....
Now please don't ruin it for me by asking me how long I stayed at those various jobs.....
And still, Frags refers to me as part of the "elite", those who have no contact with "ordinary people"....
I do? You learn something new every day. Rabid leftie yes, elite no, those are the ones making money out of leftist hobby's. Working is not a leftist hobby.
HoreTore
05-12-2011, 08:22
I do? You learn something new every day. Rabid leftie yes, elite no, those are the ones making money out of leftist hobby's. Working is not a leftist hobby.
Well, you've grouped me with "people who live in 100% white neighborhoods" and such before, I thought that was a code-word for "elite"....
Well, you've grouped me with "people who live in 100% white neighborhoods" and such before, I thought that was a code-word for "elite"....
Wasn't refering to you, we got a misunderstanding here
HoreTore
05-12-2011, 08:57
Wasn't refering to you, we got a misunderstanding here
Ah well, you know I love you nonetheless :sweetheart:
awwwwwwwwwwwwww :sweetheart:
Sarmatian
05-12-2011, 10:00
Ah well, you know I love you nonetheless :sweetheart:
awwwwwwwwwwwwww :sweetheart:
Awwwww... so cute.
Here, have a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcMddMTk0lM
Tellos Athenaios
05-12-2011, 10:40
Apart from setting stuff on fire. ~;)
Like lava lamps, you mean?
Kralizec
05-13-2011, 12:55
I just mentioned one, they emit poisonous gases. Nothing that will outright kill you and I haven't taken out mine, but I'm not very fond of things that kill me in the long run.
If you're thinking about mercury (quecksilber, not the planet or the Roman deity), there's so little of it in fluorescent lights that you'd have a more realistic chance of dieing by accidentally cutting yourself with the glass that contains it.
What I find odd though is that while lightbulbs were responsible for less than 1% of all electricity use, the EU decided to ban them for environmental reasons.
If you're thinking about mercury (quecksilber, not the planet or the Roman deity), there's so little of it in fluorescent lights that you'd have a more realistic chance of dieing by accidentally cutting yourself with the glass that contains it.
In that phrase I was referring to the gases the laboratory found that they apparently emit while they're turned on. Just too bad that I can't find an english link but there is also this nice video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv59PJ30WeM) of a proud Texan talking about them.
Louis VI the Fat
05-14-2011, 14:40
It's Eurovision Day!Yay! :balloon:
Mindnumbing stupity, halogen lamps, and debates about issues no sane person understands such as common agricultural policy and currency / sovereign debt. It is all so beautiful in its cleverness.
Europe shall have peace forever. Peace as long as we can channel the energy of the amorphous masses towards these diversions, and divert the malcontent of the 'Angry Men' towards nonsense symbolic strife over flags and anthems and 0.42% of our budget.
One would want to re-instate grand ideology or religion for the same effect, but there's no consensus about which one, nor ought there to be any, because strife and competition is precisely Europe's strenght, it's dynamism. So what could be more clever than to maintain strife but divert unwanted offspill into gayfabulous infights about national contestants of a songfestival.
gaelic cowboy
05-14-2011, 15:16
Rewrite the bailout terms now or we revoke Jedwards citzenship stranding them on the continent forever mwah ha ha ha ha ha
Louis VI the Fat
05-14-2011, 17:17
Rewrite the bailout terms now or we revoke Jedwards citzenship stranding them on the continent forever mwah ha ha ha ha haAh no. Now you made me Google that. Curse you!
I really would pay 86 billion just to be able to unsee this mess, unworthy of a universe with even the remotest chance of a living god or a single innocent soul. :shame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9XPbzbX08
Skullheadhq
05-14-2011, 17:26
I'am glad we lost, Volendam TROS scum.
Banquo's Ghost
05-14-2011, 17:56
Rewrite the bailout terms now or we revoke Jedwards citzenship stranding them on the continent forever mwah ha ha ha ha ha
If only.
Haven't we suffered enough?
gaelic cowboy
05-14-2011, 18:28
Ah no. Now you made me Google that. Curse you!
I really would pay 86 billion just to be able to unsee this mess, unworthy of a universe with even the remotest chance of a living god or a single innocent soul. :shame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9XPbzbX08
:laugh4:
If only they had been christened Peter and Rick
Furunculus
05-15-2011, 10:39
Mindnumbing stupity, halogen lamps, and debates about issues no sane person understands such as common agricultural policy and currency / sovereign debt. It is all so beautiful in its cleverness.
Europe shall have peace forever. Peace as long as we can channel the energy of the amorphous masses towards these diversions, and divert the malcontent of the 'Angry Men' towards nonsense symbolic strife over flags and anthems and 0.42% of our budget.
One would want to re-instate grand ideology or religion for the same effect, but there's no consensus about which one, nor ought there to be any, because strife and competition is precisely Europe's strenght, it's dynamism. So what could be more clever than to maintain strife but divert unwanted offspill into gayfabulous infights about national contestants of a songfestival.
bread and circuses?
Furunculus
05-15-2011, 10:51
denmark deserves credit too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt-outs_in_the_European_Union#Table
those cheeky danes, they do love a good jape:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8514180/Denmarks-defiance-over-frontier-controls-has-left-European-Union-bordering-on-crisis.html
those cheeky danes, they do love a good jape:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8514180/Denmarks-defiance-over-frontier-controls-has-left-European-Union-bordering-on-crisis.html
Good for them and we are going to do the same, the EU clearly isn't interested in the national interests of it's members, the political union eurocrat apparatski's crave MUSS SEIN even if it has to be built on the rubbles of their disastrous socialism
those cheeky danes, they do love a good jape:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8514180/Denmarks-defiance-over-frontier-controls-has-left-European-Union-bordering-on-crisis.html
Sixty years of work rests on a knife edge! The threat of waves of emigrants to from the North African coast to Europe pales in comparison to the actions of petty, small-minded and reckless nationalists who would exploit such an issue to drag Europe into chaos.
Furunculus
05-16-2011, 10:46
introducing border controls would drag europe into chaos..............!
i wasn't aware that you followed the rompoy'ite doctrine of imminent mass nazification should federal union not continue its 'inexorable' slide?
a completely inoffensive name
05-16-2011, 10:53
More mercury is pumped into the air on average by a power plant powering incandescent bulbs than the potential mercury that could be released in your house in a single CFL. If you want to reduce mercury dangers, buy CFL's and just make sure you don't break them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_emissions_by_light_source_EPA_2008.svg
a completely inoffensive name
05-16-2011, 11:03
I'm absolutely not afraid of new technology, I love new technology, but only if new means better.
It does actually happen that new turns out to be worse or not entirely thought through, and then it's perfectly reasonable to oppose it.
The new is actually overall better than the old. Cheap CFL's still need to wait a few minutes to reach full light intensity but other than that it really isn't that bad.
I just mentioned one, they emit poisonous gases. Nothing that will outright kill you and I haven't taken out mine, but I'm not very fond of things that kill me in the long run.
And they do take longer to turn on, I replaced the lightbulb in my bathroom with a CFL and it takes several minutes until it has reached it's full potential, at first the bathroom is still somewhat dark.
Plus, they die faster if you turn them on and off, the 10 years or however many hours it says on the package may be true if you never turn them off. I had to replace one lately that I bought maybe 3-5 years ago. That's not even half of the 10 years they advertise on the package and it was on a lamp that i hardly turned on in the last two years as well.
Not exactly what I would consider superior technology, all my hopes rest on LEDs now but so far they seem to cost 20€ and upwards if you want anything more than a decorative one that cannot light up an entire room and I had some problems finding ones that fit into my lamps, most of them have weird connectors.
Send a link about that poisonous gas emissions that is in English. My translator isn't working. Also a report from one lab does not equal proven fact. This needs to be verified and double checked by multiple independent laboratories before you can start saying "it produces poisonous gases" as a fact.
The concept that it is releasing gas does not make sense to me period. It can't be gas within it because if there was a leak the CFL would not work anymore. The only thing it produces is light. The only I can think of is that perhaps some crappy CFL's have toxic paint covers that are used to "soften" the light output that might be getting vaporized by the heat produced after a while.
Your anecdotal evidence about your CFL isn't really compelling. Idk if you bought a cheap one or not or if it was just a dud or if your own bias is reluctant in remembering the times you turned it on and off to reinforce your perception of the CFL technology.
a completely inoffensive name
05-16-2011, 11:23
Sorry about this triple post, I didn't see how many posts about CFL's there actually were until I started posting.
Concerning the rest, in the 70ies or so teachers here were expected to get x-rayed several times a year or so as part of regular health checks. By now it's known that x-rays are quite unhealthy if you get a whole lot of them, very similar to being subjected to radiation in fact. If everybody had had your attitude, who knows how many people would've died because of it?
It was known back then that getting a lot of x-rays could be detrimental. The problem is that there is no clear cut "line" on how much radiation is too much. It is fuzzy today and was even fuzzier back then resulting in the example you provided. There are benchmarks where certain amounts of radiation start to produce notable side effects up to death. However the range up to those points is still fuzzy. There is not a solid line that says "If x amount of radiation then you have certainly doubled your risk of cancer." There are standard deviations that vary between if it was doubled, or 1.5x or 2.5x etc...
I don't believe that cellphones can kill you, but they may cause some health problems in the long run, to claim that something that emits electromagnetic waves has no effect on anything other than another such communication device is quite absurd, just look at the connection to bees (http://www.ehow.com/list_7681790_effects-cell-phones-bees.html).
This unfortunately is completely wrong, not to be disrespectful. In the first place something that poses a hazardous threat to other creatures does not make it hazardous to humans by any means. Mice and animal testing for drugs or new techniques always has to be followed by human testing to see if it is actually viable in humans with human physiological systems.
Secondly, if you read the article you just posted you can see clearly what makes your point invalid. The case given in the article says that the electromagnetic waves emitted are confusing the bees from returning to their hive and thereby promotes a hive collapse. The waves are interfering with one of their "senses" essentially. This would be the equivalent of cell phones producing a frequency that somehow interferes with our ability to detect the visible light range which is also electromagnetic radiation. It is not causing actual physical "damage" it is merely interfering with the bees perception and thus disrupts its life.
Cell phone transmissions do not cross anywhere near the territory of ionizing radiation which is the kind that triggers cancer. It is entirely within the category of "non-ionizing" radiation and is completely harmless to us because it is not disrupting our sight nor giving us cancer. The bees are an unfortunate victim because we happened to choose the band of frequencies that they just happen to reply upon to guide themselves around.
So basically I don't see why I should be forced to use something that is proven to emit carcinogenic gases in order to "save the environment".
And if I drop it and it breaks, I have to evacuate the area because it has heavy metals in it.
You know, I'm all for saving the environment, but not if it has a high chance of killing or hurting me.
Except there isn't a high chance of it killing you. You are greatly overestimating the threat with flimsy reports and incomplete information.
The new is actually overall better than the old. Cheap CFL's still need to wait a few minutes to reach full light intensity but other than that it really isn't that bad.
The one in my bathroom is from Osram and it certainly wasn't cheap, it still takes about 3 minutes to reach full intensity, which is a difference between a dimly lit and a bright white room. I also heard that they don't nearly last 10 years if you turn them off and on somewhat often, which is underlined by the one in my living room failing after less than 5 years. I'm not sure, but it's even possible that I had to replace them a few years ago already.
How often I turned it on and off shouldn't matter because on the package it says they last about 10 years, so if they break after about half that time that's pretty weird.
I didn't change anything to suit my perception of CFLs, I've got a new lamp that I use almost exclusively now, it's also got CFLs by the way.
You're also right that one laboratory doesn't prove a thing but if there is a rumour of that sort, the EU should be checking it or prove it wrong if they have already checked for such problems´ as long as they want to force us to use CFLs.
a completely inoffensive name
05-16-2011, 22:54
The one in my bathroom is from Osram and it certainly wasn't cheap, it still takes about 3 minutes to reach full intensity, which is a difference between a dimly lit and a bright white room. I also heard that they don't nearly last 10 years if you turn them off and on somewhat often, which is underlined by the one in my living room failing after less than 5 years. I'm not sure, but it's even possible that I had to replace them a few years ago already.
How often I turned it on and off shouldn't matter because on the package it says they last about 10 years, so if they break after about half that time that's pretty weird.
I didn't change anything to suit my perception of CFLs, I've got a new lamp that I use almost exclusively now, it's also got CFLs by the way.
You're also right that one laboratory doesn't prove a thing but if there is a rumour of that sort, the EU should be checking it or prove it wrong if they have already checked for such problems´ as long as they want to force us to use CFLs.
The life expectancy is always going to be an average under ideal conditions. I really don't know what to say other than you might have gotten a dud not representative of the average CFL bulb.
The difference in quality from CFL's 10-5 years ago is probably different than the quality of CFL's today. The public transition did not occur until this past decade so the standards might not have been exactly up to par as they should have been.
Populus Romanus
05-17-2011, 05:39
Europe sucks.
You all can continue with your EU stuff so long as you bury your heads in the sand and ignore the obvious, that America owns Europe.
a completely inoffensive name
05-17-2011, 05:58
Europe sucks.
You all can continue with your EU stuff so long as you bury your heads in the sand and ignore the obvious, that America owns Europe.
"Gee ACIN, why do you act like you are so embarrassed of America all the time?"
The difference in quality from CFL's 10-5 years ago is probably different than the quality of CFL's today. The public transition did not occur until this past decade so the standards might not have been exactly up to par as they should have been.
You compare the difference in quality to the quality and uhm? ~;)
Ok, joking about a hickup aside, it's not always true that quality increases over time, the higher demand and the attempts to cut costs to offer things cheaper, stay more competitive and/or get more profit can often lead to a decline in product quality. Compare a power drill from 15 years ago to one of the cheap, plastic ones they sell for 20 bucks today, for example, heck, my dad has one that is older than me and it still works better than some of his newer ones. Similar trends can be found in the graphics card market, where demand for more graphics power and lower prices drives the quality of parts down which causes them to be louder and a few other problems. NVidia had used some cheaper materials for a while which lead to a huge problem with loads and loads of chips failing because the heat would slowly make them fall apart.
As such I wouldn't find it surprising if the cheap glue they use in China would emit gases once the bulb becomes hot, that one of the manufacturers wanted to investigate the problem would make one think that they don't find this report as incredible as you do. Incidentally I just managed to find an english article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals.html) on it.
Europe sucks.
You all can continue with your EU stuff so long as you bury your heads in the sand and ignore the obvious, that America owns Europe.
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
The life expectancy is always going to be an average under ideal conditions. I really don't know what to say other than you might have gotten a dud not representative of the average CFL bulb.
The difference in quality from CFL's 10-5 years ago is probably different than the quality of CFL's today. The public transition did not occur until this past decade so the standards might not have been exactly up to par as they should have been.
Who cares, it isn't about lightbulbs it's about someones pet-project that MUSS SEIN. Nobody understands why, and by who, but in true DDR fashion it was imposed
a completely inoffensive name
05-17-2011, 10:06
You compare the difference in quality to the quality and uhm? ~;)
Lol yeah, 1AM typing at it's best.
Ok, joking about a hickup aside, it's not always true that quality increases over time, the higher demand and the attempts to cut costs to offer things cheaper, stay more competitive and/or get more profit can often lead to a decline in product quality. Compare a power drill from 15 years ago to one of the cheap, plastic ones they sell for 20 bucks today, for example, heck, my dad has one that is older than me and it still works better than some of his newer ones. Similar trends can be found in the graphics card market, where demand for more graphics power and lower prices drives the quality of parts down which causes them to be louder and a few other problems. NVidia had used some cheaper materials for a while which lead to a huge problem with loads and loads of chips failing because the heat would slowly make them fall apart.
Kinda, sorta, maybe. When the market expands dramatically, shortcuts are done to fulfill the demand as soon as possible. When the market is entering a slower growth as people are generally transitioning from incandescent to CFL's growth is slower, more manageable and shortcuts are not as implemented as much. Since the old bulbs are banned, the real thing to look at is how fast the demand within the CFL market has expanded.
Also, looking back on past products is only somewhat useful as well. The only stuff that can stick around after decades of use is the well crafted stuff. Planned obsolescence and cheap manufacturing isn't some new thing to happen since the 1980s. If we look far enough back into the depths of video game history, we can obviously see that the vast majority of games on the N64 were not all the same quality as Zelda, Goldeneye, Mario 64 etc... it is an error to say that video games were much better way back in the day because of games x, y and z while ignoring all the crappy ones lost to time just as it is a mistake to say that bulbs or power tools were way better back in the day because x,y and z tools I have.
As such I wouldn't find it surprising if the cheap glue they use in China would emit gases once the bulb becomes hot, that one of the manufacturers wanted to investigate the problem would make one think that they don't find this report as incredible as you do. Incidentally I just managed to find an english article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals.html) on it.
I thank you for the English article but it still lacked heavily on facts. Specifically what the actual findings were. All it said was some germans found these nasty chemicals and that the british are telling everyone everything is still fine. What exact is producing these chemicals? How are they emitted? It's hard to trust a report that doesn't actually provide a report but instead is a vague two sentence warning.
Who cares, it isn't about lightbulbs it's about someones pet-project that MUSS SEIN. Nobody understands why, and by who, but in true DDR fashion it was imposed
Stop being so conspiratorial Frag. The situation is completely clear and only someone who is ideologically blinded cannot see how the day to day politics actually occurs.
Why: Because Europe and the US are sick of being dependent on foreign oil and lawmakers want to look good to public about attempting to do something about it.
Who: Lawmakers that have been successfully lobbied by environmental special interests, CFL manufacturers and/or those who feel that drastic action needs to be taken about the greater issues surrounding the light bulb situation such as energy efficiency and climate change.
CFL's really are a whole lot more efficient than incandescent, it is almost disgusting how much energy the old light bulbs waste. If it saves energy, than it reduces oil consumption, if it does that, then it is in the nation's long term interest to promote it.
Cue, "leftist cult", "random Nazi term" or some sort of conspiracy insinuation.
Populus Romanus
05-18-2011, 00:23
"Gee ACIN, why do you act like you are so embarrassed of America all the time?"
But really, consider how independant Europe really is. I am sure the United States could get a country like Bosnia which owes its very existence to us to commit hiri-kiri with a smile on its face. And honestly, almost all of Western Europe owes its existence to the United States. One can clearly see a multitude of ways in which the United States controls and runs Europe: NATO is effectively an American figurehead, especially after the Cold War, after the Cold War the UN has but one superpower to lead it (The UN is even based in the United States!), and countless treaties and alliances between European countries and the United States bind Europe in servitude to the United States.
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2011, 00:28
But really, consider how independant Europe really is. I am sure the United States could get a country like Bosnia which owes its very existence to us to commit hiri-kiri with a smile on its face. And honestly, almost all of Western Europe owes its existence to the United States. One can clearly see a multitude of ways in which the United States controls and runs Europe: NATO is effectively an American figurehead, especially after the Cold War, after the Cold War the UN has but one superpower to lead it (The UN is even based in the United States!), and countless treaties and alliances between European countries and the United States bind Europe in servitude to the United States.
A. No, Bosnia would never do it precisely because it doesn't depend on us for it's existence. If they refuse, we can't bomb them.
B. And all of America owes its existence to Western Europe (it's ideals, the French in Revolutionary War etc...)
C. The UN is not controlled by the US by any means, China and Russia often love to troll us since they are on the security council and can veto anything they don't like.
D. What treaties? Name them.
Louis VI the Fat
05-18-2011, 00:29
But really, consider how independant Europe really is. I am sure the United States could get a country like Bosnia which owes its very existence to us to commit hiri-kiri with a smile on its face. And honestly, almost all of Western Europe owes its existence to the United States. One can clearly see a multitude of ways in which the United States controls and runs Europe: NATO is effectively an American figurehead, especially after the Cold War, after the Cold War the UN has but one superpower to lead it (The UN is even based in the United States!), and countless treaties and alliances between European countries and the United States bind Europe in servitude to the United States.Yay! I get to argue in the other thread that Europe is not under the jackboot of international socialism and the USSR. And I get to argue in this thread that Europe is not under the jackboot of international capitalism and the US!
:balloon:
Now you'll have to excuse me - I'm off to the threads 'Europe - under the jackboot of international zionism', and 'Europe - the Islamic Caliphate'.
Strike For The South
05-18-2011, 06:57
But really, consider how independant Europe really is. I am sure the United States could get a country like Bosnia which owes its very existence to us to commit hiri-kiri with a smile on its face. And honestly, almost all of Western Europe owes its existence to the United States. One can clearly see a multitude of ways in which the United States controls and runs Europe: NATO is effectively an American figurehead, especially after the Cold War, after the Cold War the UN has but one superpower to lead it (The UN is even based in the United States!), and countless treaties and alliances between European countries and the United States bind Europe in servitude to the United States.
Without German manpower NATO would've stood on clay feet the whole cold war. That's just off the top off my head
IEurope has many shortcomings, most of which have been transplanted on the wider world due to the fact Eruope decided to play risk for a couple of centuries....Granted who wouldn't? Still, I will forever remain envious of Europe for one thing. The rather simple ability to carry on. For 50 years continental Europe knew it would be turned into a roach hotel had the cold war turned hot and they simply carried on. America has a couple of medium range, underpowered nukes put in its backyard and everyone LOSES THEIR MIND.
This ability to take everything in stride carriess over into all facets of life. America is the queen of melodrama, if we aren't wondering how we are going to die we are wondering how our God will judge us when we die. It's rediculos.
I just want to drink, listen to myself sound like and intellectual, and have relations with women whom also love the fine art of bulldaisy.
Is that to much to ask?
Strike For The South
05-18-2011, 07:43
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I have an essay to write, but it shouldn't take long to demolish this.
But really, consider how independent Europe really is.
Allies != Subjects
I am sure the United States could get a country like Bosnia which owes its very existence to us to commit hiri-kiri with a smile on its face.
By "smile on its face", you mean about another 100,000 dead, correct?
And honestly, almost all of Western Europe owes its existence to the United States.
Strawman. Nobody is arguing this.
One can clearly see a multitude of ways in which the United States controls and runs Europe
You gave one, NATO. The USA has no more impact on policy making at either the EU level or the nation state level than the EU or European states have on the USA.
: NATO is effectively an American figurehead, especially after the Cold War
Then why are all the Europeans getting out of Afghanistan faster than you can say "Screw you guys, we're going home"?
After the Cold War the UN has but one superpower to lead it
The brief flash of undisputed American global hegemony is over. Welcome back to a multi-polar world!
(The UN is even based in the United States!)
No-one cares.
Countless treaties and alliances between European countries and the United States bind Europe in servitude to the United States.
Have you ever considered the possibility that they bind you in submission to us? (http://youtu.be/0cXx99MZSzo?hd=1)
Louis VI the Fat
05-18-2011, 15:04
Without German manpower NATO would've stood on clay feet the whole cold war. That's just off the top off my head
IEurope has many shortcomings, most of which have been transplanted on the wider world due to the fact Eruope decided to play risk for a couple of centuries....Granted who wouldn't? Still, I will forever remain envious of Europe for one thing. The rather simple ability to carry on. For 50 years continental Europe knew it would be turned into a roach hotel had the cold war turned hot and they simply carried on. America has a couple of medium range, underpowered nukes put in its backyard and everyone LOSES THEIR MIND.
This ability to take everything in stride carriess over into all facets of life. America is the queen of melodrama, if we aren't wondering how we are going to die we are wondering how our God will judge us when we die. It's rediculos.
I just want to drink, listen to myself sound like and intellectual, and have relations with women whom also love the fine art of bulldaisy.
Is that to much to ask?Meh, Europeans know that wars are won and lost all the time. You lose, another family is installed to rule over you, you change the flags in the attic, and out you go waving like a madman at the latest family to use your tax money for their personal enrichment. It is customary to shed tears of happiness when they marry or have babies.
This is why it all went wrong in the twentieth century. The Germans have no sense of humour. So when they lose a war, all hell breaks lose, because they can't cope. And when they win a war, they think it should be to the complete annihilation of their opponent. These are breaches with the finest of European traditions.
The Russians are perhaps most of all still true to the European peasantry tradition of stoicism about which strong man is this time raising himself to überape over all the eye can see. There's always a new strong man next year, they've seen it all. Or perhaps the Russians are simply drunk most of the time. You'd be a hit with drunk semi-intellectuals and hot girls in a Paris philosophy bar. You sound loaded and easy to extract at least several rounds of drinks from as long as the girls curl themselves all over you. :balloon2:
@ACIN, ain't conspiracy if it's right in the open, a political union is what the apparatski's are after. Did we ask for it, no. Do we want it, thought we made that clear. Do we need it, not at all.
a completely inoffensive name
05-19-2011, 10:06
@ACIN, ain't conspiracy if it's right in the open, a political union is what the apparatski's are after. Did we ask for it, no. Do we want it, thought we made that clear. Do we need it, not at all.
I thought you said and I quote,
"Nobody understands why, and by who, but in true DDR fashion it was imposed."
But now it is all in the open and it is clear the why is for the formation of a political union?
I thought you said and I quote,
"Nobody understands why, and by who, but in true DDR fashion it was imposed."
But now it is all in the open and it is clear the why is for the formation of a political union?
That's the mentality, the political union the consequence, and the consequence is the goal. The euro is a political weapon that goes from kneedeep to up to your neck, it's not just the redistribution of wealth from north to south but also legitimising institutions that carve out our sovereignty in the name of stability. The more is at stake the deeper we are in.
a completely inoffensive name
05-19-2011, 10:49
That's the mentality, the political union the consequence, and the consequence is the goal. The euro is a political weapon that goes from kneedeep to up to your neck, it's not just the redistribution of wealth from north to south but also legitimising institutions that carve out our sovereignty in the name of stability. The more is at stake the deeper we are in.
And the first steps of all this dangerous concentration of power...is the ban of incandescent light bulbs?
First they came for the light bulbs, and I did not speak out as I wasn't a light bulb
And the first steps of all this dangerous concentration of power...is the ban of incandescent light bulbs?
No that's just the mentality, that one is only very very annoying
First they came for the light bulbs, and I did not speak out as I wasn't a light bulb
Just not that bright
Banquo's Ghost
05-21-2011, 08:23
One supposes, dear Fragony, that this conspiracy is headed by the Illuminati?
:wink:
Strike For The South
05-21-2011, 08:33
Meh, Europeans know that wars are won and lost all the time. You lose, another family is installed to rule over you, you change the flags in the attic, and out you go waving like a madman at the latest family to use your tax money for their personal enrichment. It is customary to shed tears of happiness when they marry or have babies.
This is why it all went wrong in the twentieth century. The Germans have no sense of humour. So when they lose a war, all hell breaks lose, because they can't cope. And when they win a war, they think it should be to the complete annihilation of their opponent. These are breaches with the finest of European traditions.
The Russians are perhaps most of all still true to the European peasantry tradition of stoicism about which strong man is this time raising himself to überape over all the eye can see. There's always a new strong man next year, they've seen it all. Or perhaps the Russians are simply drunk most of the time. You'd be a hit with drunk semi-intellectuals and hot girls in a Paris philosophy bar. You sound loaded and easy to extract at least several rounds of drinks from as long as the girls curl themselves all over you. :balloon2:
Ha, I wish
Louis VI the Fat
05-21-2011, 15:18
Ha, I wishMe, I wish I had obeyed the rules of clear logic and of division between thoughts in that post. :shame:
Louis VI the Fat
05-21-2011, 15:18
One supposes, dear Fragony, that this conspiracy is headed by the Illuminati?
:wink:Back from stud watching with Bertha? :beam:
Louis VI the Fat
05-22-2011, 02:56
The 'X Factor', EU style.
First Prize: one billion euros (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/9491296.stm). That's right. One billion. :yes:
That's $1.4 billion for all you paupers in the United 'Oops, we hit the legal debt ceiling' States.
One supposes, dear Fragony, that this conspiracy is headed by the Illuminati?
:wink:
Illuminati is a Bilderberg invention
Banquo's Ghost
05-22-2011, 08:27
Back from stud watching with Bertha? :beam:
I'll have you know Prince Philip might be older, but he moves well and turns a lovely flank. :wink:
Typical, the EU has decided for us that mobster-state Croatia can join yay. That is really good because eurocrats know that more EUSSR is always good because ehhhhhhh I dunno it just is
Louis VI the Fat
05-22-2011, 17:45
I'll have you know Prince Philip might be older, but he moves well and turns a lovely flank. :wink:As befits a thoroughbred Holsteiner then. Although not really fit for anything useful, they are great for show.
Ahh...wherever there's the smell of saddle lather, there one is sure to find esteemed company.
Louis VI the Fat
05-22-2011, 17:46
Typical, the EU has decided for us that mobster-state Croatia can join yay. That is really good because eurocrats know that more EUSSR is always good because ehhhhhhh I dunno it just isRubbish, Frags. Mistaken North European stereotyping, shame on you.
It is Bulgaria and Romania which are the mobster states. Croatia is the fascist state.
gaelic cowboy
05-22-2011, 19:23
As befits a thoroughbred Holsteiner then. Although not really fit for anything useful, they are great for show.
Ahh...wherever there's the smell of saddle lather, there one is sure to find esteemed company.
And yet Paddy pretty much dominates it
Louis VI the Fat
05-22-2011, 20:25
And yet Paddy pretty much dominates itNo, no. I was led to believe Irish studs have been pretty much out of the question for quite some time now. Breeding's done with fine Holsteiners and Hanoverians.
gaelic cowboy
05-22-2011, 20:50
No, no. I was led to believe Irish studs have been pretty much out of the question for quite some time now. Breeding's done with fine Holsteiners and Hanoverians.
pfft your talking about showjumping which is the sport of the middle class and therefore the bourgeoise and most definately not the sport of kings.(plus the fine irish showjumping horses of the 1980 were sold to Germany cos flat and national hunt are just better fullstop)
“Croatia is the fascist state”, which is an improvement considering that last time Croatia was independent it was a Nazi State.
So we give applause of encouragement to Croatia.
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