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Fisherking
01-20-2014, 12:15
We know his backup ending. Lets hope it does not come to that!
I think most of us would rather have anything at all but that.
I don’t think too many people liked it when C.S. Lewis ended the world with Narnia. They wouldn’t much like the Red Comet wiping out this world any better.
SwordsMaster
01-20-2014, 15:19
I'm amazed he's still working on it at all. Didn't he mention in one of the interviews people were threatening him with violence if he didn't finish the next book by christmas? I mean, I know the internet can be a ridiculous place for a grown-up, but I'm amazed he didn't just write in SARS or something and wiped everyone out.
The next book is out on September this year.
The next book is out on September this year.
That is awesome news if he manages to stick to schedule.
Also not to nitpick but I would really appreciate it if you could tell me where you read this.
That is awesome news if he manages to stick to schedule.
Also not to nitpick but I would really appreciate it if you could tell me where you read this.
I don't care where he found that information. From now on, Myth is personally responsible for that book to appear in September 2014. If necessary, he'll have to write it himself :whip:
Hooahguy
01-24-2014, 20:54
The next book is out on September this year.
I demand a source or I will burn you at the stake!
:damnmate:
Just been rewatching S2 and S3 in preparation for april and S4.
King Jagiello
01-29-2014, 15:52
All of the books are simply amazing and the TV show is just as good I think.
I would rather have Missandei as the 8 yo child than the brown chick. We have enough meat in the show.
https://i.imgur.com/EYe0V50.gif
We have enough meat in the show.
https://i.imgur.com/4wkIgUq.jpg
Kagemusha
01-31-2014, 16:34
There is never enough meat! ~D
There is never enough meat! ~D
https://i.imgur.com/HA2D1Zx.gif
I seem to recall there being a lot more clam bakes than sausage fests on the show, but South Park does make a decent point.
http://youtu.be/e-ryQPZuYSQ
The Lurker Below
02-12-2014, 21:29
season 4 is coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5iS3tULXMQ
Kagemusha
02-12-2014, 22:15
Great stuff! Cant wait for the new season. Thanks for posting this!:yes:
Second trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNaLQD60Y
Trailer #3: Secrets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIASaUUwklk
Looking at the trailers, I think they are going to yada-yada a fair amount of A Feast For Crows/Dance with Dragons and keep with the main character story lines (those still alive that is :rolleyes:). I imagine they will cut the Kingsmoot/Greyjoy succession, Asha/Yara is already off the book storyline anyway and they can probably shoehorn in the Iron fleet with a more compact role. I don't expect to see Quentyn Martell at all either. So my revised timeline estimation is shorter by at least a season and a half.
Edit-> And no, I don't work for Grantland (http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/game-of-thrones-seven-or-eight-seasons/).
Trailer #4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Y_qhzxn2c
Decided to rewatch the season 1 in anticipation. Littlefinger is such a loveable bastard.
Great first episode. The opening of the episode was probably the most poignant opening of all the seasons till date.
The new Daario is much more fitting than the clean shaved dude from last season. Oberyn is not what I imagined though. Also it's not cool that they made the Thenns into cannibals. Anyone think this is going to have an effect on the Rickon storyline later on?
It was also good to see Janos Slynt again. Because it means we will see him lose his head, and that is one of my favourite bits from the books till now.
Great first episode. The opening of the episode was probably the most poignant opening of all the seasons till date.
The new Daario is much more fitting than the clean shaved dude from last season. Oberyn is not what I imagined though. Also it's not cool that they made the Thenns into cannibals. Anyone think this is going to have an effect on the Rickon storyline later on?
It was also good to see Janos Slynt again. Because it means we will see him lose his head, and that is one of my favourite bits from the books till now.
I thought they did a good job with Oberyn, he came off as a passionate, unpredictable man with a vendetta, which is exactly what he is in the book. He's going to be a pain in Lannister posteriors this season.
Not too worried about the Thenns, I think they might be trimming the storyline this way.
Skagos is supposedly inhabited by cannibals, so it fits. Alys might not be too happy about it though...
They kept Thorne at the Wall as acting commander and Slynt is there already, so the leadership for the coming attack is already off the book. I suppose the Night's Watch election is going to be a lot different.
Bronn continues to own it, not sure why they gave Pod the new haircut. The Arya/Sandor storyline is also fun, somehow I don't think Ayra is going to Braavos.
Tellos Athenaios
04-07-2014, 22:08
The Arya/Sandor storyline is also fun, somehow I don't think Ayra is going to Braavos.
Hmm, the trailers do show the 'Titan of Bravos' though... Then again, isn't Sandor supposed to be wounded with the wound starting to fester later on?
Does anyone know why the change of actor for the character Daario Naharis -
https://s15.postimg.org/uredo09cb/1621803_765381860138608_946060500_n.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Hooahguy
04-08-2014, 00:43
Supposedly the first actor wanted more money, and they didnt have the budget for it so he quit. Hence the new actor.
Hmm, the trailers do show the 'Titan of Bravos' though... Then again, isn't Sandor supposed to be wounded with the wound starting to fester later on?
Forgot about the Titan. In the book, the fight with Polliver a) got Ayra Needle back and b) got Sandor injured. He looked fine riding away, but it did look like he took one in the back before he got knocked down in the fight.
Does anyone know why the change of actor for the character Daario Naharis -
In other casting news, the Mountain gets a new face yet again (some ginormous Norwegian guy), and the guy playing Ilyn Payne got cancer so he's written out apparently (from the trailers looks like Bronn becomes Jamie's sparring partner).
Does anyone know why the change of actor for the character Daario Naharis -
In the books Daario sports a flamboyant blue beard, and is an experienced mercenary with quite a few years behind him, more akin in age to Jorah Mormont than to Danaerys.
IMO the dude they picked now is much more fitting than the one they picked last season. He looked a little....weird...to me. Too effeminate for some reason. Maybe the lips. I don't know.
LooseCannon1
04-08-2014, 23:50
Supposedly the first actor wanted more money, and they didnt have the budget for it so he quit. Hence the new actor.
No, the original actor got the chance to replace Jason Statham in "Transporter 4" http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/feb/10/transporter-4-ed-skrein-jason-statham-game-of-thrones
I thought Michiel Huisman was great on Treme. Let's hope he's as good here as he was there.
No, the original actor got the chance to replace Jason Statham in "Transporter 4" http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/feb/10/transporter-4-ed-skrein-jason-statham-game-of-thrones
https://i.imgur.com/GVzRnj7.jpg
Hooahguy
04-13-2014, 13:45
No, the original actor got the chance to replace Jason Statham in "Transporter 4" http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/feb/10/transporter-4-ed-skrein-jason-statham-game-of-thrones
Aye, you are right, I stand corrected.
Well........
Ep 2 was interesting.
I liked the ending a LOT.
Well........
Ep 2 was interesting.
I liked the ending a LOT.
'Twas good. Can't wait for some of the other's to go the same way!
'Twas good. Can't wait for some of the other's to go the same way!
The next one with such an awesome ending will probably involve a lavatory and a crossbow. :wiseguy:
It's weird, I saw episode 1 yesterday and will watch episode 2 tomorrow, but I really didn't expect this particular event to happen already; I anticipated it around episode 4. Huh.
It's weird, I saw episode 1 yesterday and will watch episode 2 tomorrow, but I really didn't expect this particular event to happen already; I anticipated it around episode 4. Huh.
I thought it came early as well, but this would reinforce the notion that they plan on accelerating through the next couple of books.
All hail King Tommen, first of his name! :crown:
Yoink (http://imgur.com/gallery/0EQr6)
The Deaths can be rather gruesome though...
https://i.imgur.com/gIYuReb.png
Yoink (http://imgur.com/gallery/0EQr6)
The Deaths can be rather gruesome though...
They overdid the makeup. For a moment there I actually felt sorry for him.
Also BTW Bronn is turning out to be one of the most awesome characters in the show.
Loved the chat between Jamie/Loras and Oberyn/Cersei/Tywin, he sure can hold his own.
And does anyone else think the Shae story arc might be different from the books?
She actually seems to love Tyrion here. I think she might end up dying early
https://37.media.tumblr.com/4d37db9550948d3c5f0cf63c23ee8f30/tumblr_n40wy8OryP1rhu4a0o2_500.gif
The ending to the fourth episode. Stuff that hasn't even been explicitly mentioned in the books iirc.
so the others are clearly more like humans than let on in the books. The dude who picks up the baby and transforms it looks like Darth Maul without the colourful face. Maybe they're just humans who have turned to worshiping the great other (whoever that is), like melisandre says.
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The North storyline is now spoiler-proof.
The North storyline is now spoiler-proof.
That different?
Latest episode wasn't all that great, the CGI with the flag was particularly bad.
That different?
Latest episode wasn't all that great, the CGI with the flag was particularly bad.
Yeah, B never went to C in the books.
There are a couple of characters involved in the books not brought in with B.
The books were very sketchy on Whitewalkers, they don't even say why they want babies but people 'guessed'.
That different?
I'm assuming they are just adding in stuff to keep the Bran storyline visible. The mutineers at Craster's don't play a part in the books, they just hang out for a while then get killed (by a character that has already been written out of the show). Jon stays at the Wall, Ghost eventually just shows back up, and Locke isn't in the books (he's been a fill-in for a mercenary captain in Jaime's storyline). Bran just trudges through snow for months until he reaches his anointed destination. The White Walker/baby thing isn't in the books (no referential POV), I think this is all based on talks with Martin about their origins.
The Bran time line is messed up, all the stuff going on elsewhere is from the third Book, while his adventures are coming from the fifth. This is probably due to the fact that walking through snow for days makes for poor ratings, but it looks like they are dragging Jon's line off to mesh. No idea what they are going to do.
The episode names suggest Tommen gets crowned ep5, maybe Stoneheart in ep6, lots of Littlefinger in ep7, Oberyn v Clegane in ep8, battle for the wall in ep9, and Tywin's Elvis impersonation ep10. Up north, no clue. Daenerys's timing is also a little accelerated, maybe she rides Drogon in ep10.
Hooahguy
04-29-2014, 01:52
Personally I think that Tywin's Elvis impersonation will be at the end of episode 9. Bad things tend to happen in the 9th episodes...
Greyblades
04-29-2014, 10:30
Or good depending on who you're rooting for.
Two big ones in one season. Will make Ned Stark and the first season look like a joke.
I honestly thought they will save Tywin till the next season. Also isn't the first time Daenerys rides Drogon after he crashes the games in Daznak's pit? Like way near the end of the fifth book... :dizzy2:
I honestly thought they will save Tywin till the next season. Also isn't the first time Daenerys rides Drogon after he crashes the games in Daznak's pit? Like way near the end of the fifth book... :dizzy2:
Yes.
I honestly thought they will save Tywin till the next season. Also isn't the first time Daenerys rides Drogon after he crashes the games in Daznak's pit? Like way near the end of the fifth book... :dizzy2:
Yes, it's pretty far ahead, but now that she has Meereen how are they going to wrap up her season? Nothing big happens between the two events. I believe they are going to bypass the Iron Islands story, we don't know how Euron and Victarion fit in yet so they can paste that in later if it has any major effect. Asha/Yara is already searching for Theon, and Theon is already heading for Moat Caitlin, they are moving quickly there. I'm guessing the Dorne storyline will also be trimmed as much as possible, Quentyn's quest is wasted minutes and the Arianne plot doesn't really have any effect on the existing story yet (I want Hotah though!). Next season will probably have Tyrion/Aegon, Sam at the Citadel, Jaime to the riverlands (more Blackfish please), Cersei's fall (and walk), Varys' return, Arya's training, Bran with Bloodraven, and the Slaver's Bay battle. I have no idea how the Jon/Stannis/Wall situation is going to fall out with this last episode.
Actually Dany's story can be stretched a bit by
putting in that one Wise Master she gets married to and spending some time on developing her romance with Daario. I can wager they will spend a lot of time showing her governing the city, all the assassinations that start taking place in Meeren before she marries and how her dragons will grow more vicious and get out of hand. I'm thinking her story arc this season will end with her dismissing Jorah Mormont. And the next with her getting married.
There's a rumour going around that the person from the end of episode 4, the one who changes the baby is none other than the
Night King. Whoever that is, he is certainly not the same as the other Others that we have seen to date, and neither are the people standing with him in the background. For one they all actually appear to be wearing black, that kind of gives weight to the theory that they were once from the Night's Watch
There's a rumour going around that the person from the end of episode 4, the one who changes the baby is none other than the
Night King. Whoever that is, he is certainly not the same as the other Others that we have seen to date, and neither are the people standing with him in the background. For one they all actually appear to be wearing black, that kind of gives weight to the theory that they were once from the Night's Watch
It is in the books, regarded with certain myths. If you want to go searching for more about it.
Greyblades
04-30-2014, 00:40
The Night's King was a nights watchman who married a female wight he found beyond the wall and used her magic to enslave the nightswatch, took over the gift and declared himself king, before being killed off by the combined efforts of the Starks and wildlings. The problem with the idea that he is the same leader of the wights we saw is that he appeared after the long night meaning the wights had been around long before he showed up and he was quite explicably said to have been killed.
Also he looks like this:12836
Cersei's fall (and walk)
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THAT.
..Ahem. Sorry got a bit excited there. Not read the books, but I've twice accidentally received spoilers, (one for the Red Wedding saw a map with all the characters' deaths and one for the whole latrine, Tyrion across the sea, Cersei gets her just deserts).
https://i59.tinypic.com/2butn6.jpg
Greyblades
05-05-2014, 13:20
Ah, the return of the Arryns, what joy. I swear I haven't wanted to skip a scene more than I have thiers, at least the previous ones had tyrion to counter their... foibles.
Strange that the least active faction comes accross as the less likable than even the lannisters.
Ah, the return of the Arryns, what joy. I swear I haven't wanted to skip a scene more than I have thiers, at least the previous ones had tyrion to counter their... foibles.
Strange that the least active faction comes accross as the less likable than even the lannisters.
Not sure why you feel this way, the Petr/Lysa "love story" is the best (don't put your daisy in crazy!).
I guess the Craster's detour was just a way to a) get Ghost back to Jon, b) put a little action into the Wall storyline before the battle, c) give Bran a "decision" scene, and d) get rid of Locke. Normal service resumed. :shrug:
Poor Hodor :sad:
Hodor's a bad:daisy:
At least with Bran inside him.
You know what I mean.
Hodor's a bad:daisy:
At least with Bran inside him.
You know what I mean.
I'll put it this way.
You suddenly lose control of your body, being forced to kill someone with your barehands against your will, your upbringing is a gentle giant who wouldn't even hurt a fly, and there in your hands bloodstained with a mans corpse splayed infront of you.. I really felt for the guy. :sad:
Good episode. In his confession I was hoping Tyrion would bring up making the bald man cry into Cersei's turtle stew, but a great scene nonetheless.
I don't think Stannis is going to the Wall. The Titan got his screentime though, so I will again predict Ayra is not going to Braavos either. Whatever role the Iron Bank plays, I'm guessing they will tie it into Stannis directly now, the Night's Watch deal with the Bank and the Wildlings up North will probably be dropped from the story. And Daenerys will ride Drogon in ep 10. :yes:
Seems weird they are cutting out those large chunks though. No wonder it feels like they are racing to the end of the books.
Papewaio
05-14-2014, 08:31
Just remember that some of the scenes in later books happen at the same time as ones in earlier books. As the series progresses. The last two books almost happen at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ
Mortal Kombat version with its Fatalities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVToQC-cB0
I really like how they made the Viper into a proper character.
Pascal is doing a great job with Oberyn. Episode 7 was a character episode for the most part, low on the action but plenty of good dialogue. The scenes with Tyrion in his cell the past couple of episodes have been really good, although the one with Bronn was kind of disappointing. After all the great banter they've had, their farewell scene seemed a bit forced, maybe they're just mad the run is over.
Next week on GoT, Mortal Kombat!
Flip-flopping once again on Stannis, I'm assuming this trip they are prepping for is the Wall. Curious to see how Littlefinger explains Lysa's fall to the Vale, there is no musician to pin this one on.
If Stannis doesn't go to the wall, I will grind my teeth so much.
My Stannis-hating girlfriend will have so much to look forward to though. It will show once and for all that he really is The Mannis
although the one with Bronn was kind of disappointing. After all the great banter they've had, their farewell scene seemed a bit forced, maybe they're just mad the run is over.
I was not surprised that Bronn was doing what he was doing,he'd have picked up on a lot of the ways and views of people in Kings Landing and to be able to improve his position as he describes is quite apt for a sellsword.
He's a "nobody" who can make a decent but unpredictable income as a sellsword (can die anytime he's working if someone is better than him and there's always someone better than you no matter how good you are) so to marry into money is a sweet deal for someone like him.
He is not the "hooker with the heart of gold"
I believe in the books that his match (forgot how to spell her name) was classified as "Ruined Goods" so no one was wanting to marry her and they could not get rid of her. She also has a child from when she was raped (in the scene Sansa almost was), she originally called Tywin but was forced by Cersei to rename to Tyrion.
In the books Lollys was stupid, fat, and pregnant from her mass rape during the King's Landing riot. Bronn marries her and then promptly trolls Cersei endlessly. My comment was more about the acting, the scenes with Bronn and Tyrion were some of the best, but something was missing from their last meeting.
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Ayra's laugh was the best.
Ayra's laugh was the best.
I think they were turned away at that point.
Hooahguy
06-03-2014, 10:33
Looks like Sansa finally learned how to play the game of thrones...
I've been waiting to hear the Mountain say those words for quite some time.
Spoonska
06-09-2014, 14:25
So that really big awesome chain thing that swung across the wall in last nights episode...Someone mod that into Shogun 2 please.
In the books Lollys was stupid, fat, and pregnant from her mass rape during the King's Landing riot. Bronn marries her and then promptly trolls Cersei endlessly. My comment was more about the acting, the scenes with Bronn and Tyrion were some of the best, but something was missing from their last meeting.
Bronn is one of the more intriguing characters in the books. He is the epitome of egoism backed up by skill and a natural cunning. He is one of the top 5 fighters still alive in the books IMO. I'd love to see him face off the Hound, Garlan Tyrell or ser Baristan.
Hooahguy
06-10-2014, 22:45
Damn, Grenn holding the gate and that speech gave me the chills.
Mouzafphaerre
06-12-2014, 01:32
Didn't particularly like the final meeting of Ygritte and Jon; too melodramatic for my taste, the book version was much better.
Even after reading all books (as they exist) my appreciation of the series has not diminished in general.
Didn't particularly like the final meeting of Ygritte and Jon; too melodramatic for my taste, the book version was much better.
That bit was so hilariously tacky. I laughed hard and heartily. Some the Room level terrible screenwriting.
The Stranger
06-14-2014, 02:49
ye didnt like it either. the holding the gate part was pretty good. tho i wished the fighting would be more like early viking episodes and less like every hollywood movie ever made :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2ri8RhSnw&feature=youtu.be
No Arianne? I was looking forward to that eye-candy...
Greyblades
05-21-2015, 08:29
6 episodes into the new season and we havent resurrected this thread? For shame!
Surprised at how fast they seemed to come out at. It is weekly but it only feels 2weeks ago or so it started.
Greyblades
05-21-2015, 10:39
Well the first 4 episodes were leaked on the first week, so maybe it was that.
Greyblades
06-01-2015, 05:07
Winter has come.
Well, it was about time, if I may say so. However, winter continually looks less and less frightening, with various metals gradually being added to the list of whitewalkericides.
I wonder if the wights murdered by a fiery chap can be resurrected again by the White Walkers. Or is Lazarus just a one-time trick?
Greyblades
06-01-2015, 15:47
I dont think that the wights being killable by regular metals are a problem, them being replacable yet dangerous cannon fodder and all. The WW themselves still seem immune to everything that isnt related to dragons, be it dragon glass or valyrian steel, and as long as they survive a theoretically infinite amount of wights can be made.
I think the ability to resurrect directly corresponds to the body itself; if the skeleton is still intact they can be resurrected but if the skull is smashed or enough limbs are removed the WW either cannot bring them back, or wouldnt want to bother making crippled troops. The question I have is: without craster still giving them children can the WW still replace thier own losses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyX1pw2Phh8
:yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DFojKwVfq4
:no:
Hooahguy
06-03-2015, 13:35
Im fairly certain they blew their entire special effects budget in that last, awesome battle scene. Great episode!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DFojKwVfq4
:no:
Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained?
Hooahguy
06-03-2015, 16:36
Was I the only one who was rooting for that Wildling woman to survive? I was thinking at first they would bring her in as a Ygritte 2.0, but my hopes were soon dashed upon the rocks.
Those were exactly my thoughts, so I was really relieved when she was murdered by the creepy children. Hollywood-style romance has no place in Game of Thrones, in my opinion.
Also, I know it is more probable that Martin just forgot him, but I have a feeling that Benjen Stark is going to play an important role, later. It is rather suspicious that he hasn't been seen to be a member of the wight army. The director would love to force Jon to "kill" his uncle in a desperate and tragic fight.
ReluctantSamurai
06-03-2015, 22:27
I haven't been as glued to the set as previous seasons. Don't get me wrong...this season has still been very good, IMO, but there's far more jumping around and less grab-you-by-the-throat episodes (think "Mountain and The Viper"). In all fairness, there's more characters to follow, and it's difficult if not impossible to cover everything in 10 one-hour episodes.
Yep, the Hardhome battle was good, but.....can't touch the drama of "The Watchers on the Wall" battle (which I would put in the same class as Peter Jackson's "Battle of Helm's Deep").
All-in-all, still high class viewing.
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2015, 03:58
With 20 minutes to go in the episode tonight:
"Nope. Screw it. I'm out. I draw the line at this. Goodbye, show. :flybye:"
With the episode finished:
"Now THIS is why I watch the damn show!!! :rtwyes:"
Why must you torture me such, D&D? :wall:
Greyblades
06-08-2015, 05:13
Goddamn the unsullied are useless at thier jobs.
Spoilers:
I stopped watching this season as I felt it was getting a bit ridiculous and I heavily disagree with some of the book changes (read em all).
My brother says to me that stannis burns shireen in the show and I was very disappointed. Stannis is my favourite character in the books and he would NEVER burn Shireen. It saddens me that they do this to such a great character in the books.
ReluctantSamurai
06-08-2015, 17:27
I can sympathize with a favorite 'book' character being totally rewritten by screen writers (I haven't read any of the Song of Ice and Fire books), as it happened with a book series I am quite fond of..."The Sword of Truth" where the central character was completely rewritten from start to finish including his personal appearance (apparently, having the central character be a slender, ripped-looking swashbuckler instead of the burly, soft-spoken woodsman in the books, was more appealing to the ladies:shrug:). However....
.....what sells books and makes for good reading, doesn't necessarily make for ratings when moved to the screen. Thrones needed to introduce a bit more "shock" factor that's mostly been missing this season, and Shireen was it.
Greyblades
06-08-2015, 20:24
Well, I cannot say that my eyes have been opened but the more I think about last nights episode the more disenchanted I become to the series. This is a mess.
https://media.8ch.net/tv/src/1433731857781.jpg
D&D are incapable of GRRM's quality, The more the show deviates from the books the more we see that. Stannis wasnt ever well treated in the show but this is beyond the pale of mischaracterisation. No wonder Peter Dinklege stopped giving a crap this season.
Also, Remember when the unsullied were supposed to be the best soldiers alive? Me neither. I think I realized how much of a joke they are in the show the second that they started patrolling a densly populated city in small groups with spears and daggers.
Sarmatian
06-09-2015, 09:36
TV shows are very different medium than books. You have to consider actors and their screen time, you have to make sure that all episodes have similar quality, and that not a lot of episodes go without something interesting happening.
In books you can make jumps back in forth in time, while TV shows have to follow a certain structure, especially TV shows as complicated as this one with so much plots within the plot and so many characters.
If you can't stand it, just don't bother watching, because it's gonna happen again. Read the books again, instead.
Greyblades
06-09-2015, 14:06
I'm sorry, but I find myself unable to understand quite how the difficulties of adaptation excuse such a drastic rewrite of Stannis' personality and character.
ReluctantSamurai
06-09-2015, 18:31
I find myself unable to understand quite how the difficulties of adaptation excuse such a drastic rewrite
Sometimes it's just the screen writers discretion, for better or worse:shrug:
Several examples:
Lord of the Rings---Battle of Helm's Deep...Jackson made some fundamental changes like who was there (no elves except Legolas in the book, not a company of elvish archers); what reinforcements Gandalf brought (a thousand foot soldiers rounded up from Ford's Crossing, and not a thousand horsemen sweeping down from above); and on and on.....
The Sword of Truth---too numerous to mention the changes made adapting the books to the screen, but the biggest was a total rewrite of the central character Richard Cypher/Rahl. In Goodkind's series, Richard is a big man maybe 6'4", a quiet sort who would think things through before acting (although he had a temper, at times) and the definite leader when paired with the Mother Confessor Kahlan Amnell. On the screen, the portrayal was a slender, super-ripped swashbuckler, who rarely thought things through, and was more-or-less led along by Kahlan. You couldn't get a more opposite interpretation. I've often wondered if that was why Goodkind had nothing to do with the TV production other than collect royalties:shrug:
Strangely, they nailed every other character perfectly as I has imagined them. I watched for awhile and then couldn't stand it anymore so I did what Sarmatian has suggested you do....stop watching:creep:
Greyblades
06-09-2015, 20:58
Ok then samaritan; if you don't want to hear me complain about a show on its own thread you could just stop reading the thread.
See how pointless and annoying expressing that sentiment is?
As for adaptation; there is no reason the TV show format would inherently require Stannis to burn his own child when the books has him actively doing the opposite.
ReluctantSamurai
06-09-2015, 21:32
there is no reason the TV show format would inherently require Stannis to burn his own child when the books has him actively doing the opposite.
You're still not getting the point...screen writers are under NO obligation to faithfully reproduce, on the screen, what's written in the book they are based upon. Sometimes, it's for the better...sometimes not. And sometimes it's just impossible to do. Books adapted to screen-play typically have HUGE budgets:
http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-big-budgets-bring-huge-success-how-hbo-series-makes-money-high-cost-episode-1658966
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Peter-Jacksons-Lord-of-the-Rings
There has to be justification for all that money, so producers have to keep the interest high and the plot moving. Sometimes that involves deviations from the book, which quite frankly, can be boooring at times, something a TV show or movie cannot afford.
I find it rather amusing that just now, in the 9th episode of season 5, you get your knickers in a snit over the producers rendering of Stannis:rolleyes: It's not like this was the first time he's had someone burned at the stake, to say nothing of cutting off the fingers of a friend and trusted advisor, or cheating on his wife by consorting with a very nasty witch...to kill his own brother no less:stunned:
On a lighter note...my apologies if this has been posted before. Even so, it's funnier than hell:
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/2013/03/board-game-the-game-of-thrones-houses-as-modern-corporations/
Greyblades
06-09-2015, 21:44
You're still not getting the point...screen writers are under NO obligation to faithfully reproduce, on the screen, what's written in the book they are based upon.Considering I havent demanded anything like the petulant child you apparantly think I am, their lack of obligation is irrelevant. They have screwed up big time and I will express my anger and dissapointment regardless of whether they have to listen.
I find it rather amusing that just now, in the 9th episode of season 5, you get your knickers in a snit over the producers rendering of Stannis:rolleyes: It's not like this was the first time he's had someone burned at the stake, to say nothing of cutting off the fingers of a friend and trusted advisor, or cheating on his wife by consorting with a very nasty witch...to kill his own brother no less:stunned:Pfft, all those things happened in the books, and it made sense to his character. This didnt and it doesnt, in fact it goes directly the opposite direction that his book version did. Shireen is his anchor, his morality pet as tvtropes call them, She is the last character Book Stannis would ever burn and that his show version would come to the decision to do so in the span of a single episode is a complete bastardization of the character. That the thing driving him to do so is the offscreen antics of the show maker's villian sue just makes it hurt all the more.
Sarmatian
06-09-2015, 22:04
I'm sorry, but I find myself unable to understand quite how the difficulties of adaptation excuse such a drastic rewrite of Stannis' personality and character.
Depends, really.As ReluctantSamurai said, it can often be a writer or director wanting to do things differently. It may be a whole lot of things.
You read books at your leisure. You can read it all in a few days, or you can prolong and read a single book for months. You can read 5 pages today and 55 tomorrow. You can stop in the middle of the book and continue reading after a few years. You can skim or even skip the parts you find boring, but you can also return to them later and read them thoroughly later on.
TV show have a specific format and are aired at a specific time, have a limited duration over a limited period of time and you have to have stuff happening consistently for people not to lose interest. I've read the first two ASOIAF books a long time ago. Couldn't get my hands on the third at the time so I gave up at the moment, thinking I will pick it up in the future sometime. I never did. And then the show came and I started watching. So, since the second season, I'm watching the show as someone who didn't read the books. This 5th season has been relatively boring for the first 5 episodes, in the sense that the plot didn't unfold enough. I guess that's why they went for some shocking moments that aren't in the book, like the death of Sir Barristan, to keep the audience involved. Stannis has been peripheral character in the show before and after battle of Blackwater Bay. Maybe they thought they needed something to make audience pay more attention to Stannis as he may become more important in the future.
There may be a lot of reason, but the bottom line is - it is going to happen with every adaption from books to movies and vice versa. Read the Star Wars book, which was written by Lucas after the first film. It is different. That simply how it works.
Ok then samaritan; if you don't want to hear me complain about a show on its own thread you could just stop reading the thread.
See how pointless and annoying expressing that sentiment is?
If that's how my post came off, I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention. I wanted to say that you shouldn't be so angry about something that's a given.
As for adaptation; there is no reason the TV show format would inherently require Stannis to burn his own child when the books has him actively doing the opposite.
Maybe there isn't for this particular change. Maybe directors thought it would be a good dramatic moment. Maybe they thought it would show just how important his quest is to Stannis, or maybe they were just after the "WOW" effect. Maybe they got a rough outline from Martin about where they can take the story while he finishes his book, so they were setting up an important plot point for later.
I have no idea, but I'm sure it won't be the last thing that will be done differently. If it bothers you that much, just stop watching.
ReluctantSamurai
06-09-2015, 22:21
They have screwed up big time
Not according to Martin:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/george-rr-martin-defends-sexual-violence-in-game-of-thrones-9342569.html
But Martin, who has worked as TV writer since the early Eighties, said he understood the show’s creators would want to make their own artistic choices for the books to work in a different medium.
“The graphic novels and television programmes are in the hands of others, who make their own artistic choices as to what sort of approach will work best in their respective mediums,” he said.
Martin drew upon the differences between his books and the small screen adaptation, insisting that he likes many of the new added scenes but misses “the things they leave out”.
No direct reference to the Shireen burning, but he doesn't seem to be an unhappy camper at the adaption to screen-play, and he wrote the books:quiet:
At this point I want the show to go in a completely different direction, I don't really want the book ending spoiled.
Spoilers:
I stopped watching this season as I felt it was getting a bit ridiculous and I heavily disagree with some of the book changes (read em all).
My brother says to me that stannis burns shireen in the show and I was very disappointed. Stannis is my favourite character in the books and he would NEVER burn Shireen. It saddens me that they do this to such a great character in the books.
Made me cry. :sad:
Greyblades
06-15-2015, 04:57
In the span of two episodes a great series goes from it's greatest height and it's lowest point.
I'm done.
Well, I was rooting for Stannis and he was murdered by that Eastern German swimmer. Or did he not? The Internet is full of conpiracy theories about a tree cut in two by Brie, but I am afraid it's just wishful thinking.
Glad that Myrcella died, Jaime deserved it, but I am afraid that both the Reek and Sansa will survive the fall. It's rather a pity, because they have been quite a boring couple lately.
Same goes for Jon, who is obviously not dead yet.
GeneralHankerchief
06-15-2015, 15:10
Well, we're officially caught up. You have nine months and change, George.
Anyone think he can do it? (obviously I'm only talking about Book 6, as there's no way on earth he can crank out 6 *and* 7 in that amount of time)
Amazing episode. Jon's scene at the end and Cersei's scene before that, actually seeing them hit a lot harder than just reading about it. Specially Cersei's walk. I even felt sorry for Cersei.
Good stuff besides that. Jorah and Daario teaming up, that's new and something I doubt we'll see in the books. Stannis' defeat....now that was a kicker. And unless D&D are going for silly twists, I doubt we'll be seeing him again. Which is something I regret because in the books he's one of my favourite characters.
Also since Sansa has seemingly managed to escape with Theon, I guess Mance Rayder is really dead? And since Melisandre is at the wall now, I'm betting the fan theory that she'll bring Jon back is going to come true next season.
All that said I kind of don't see the point of the show if it's going to deviate from the books completely. I mean sure the characters are interesting but if the story changes too much then they aren't the same characters anymore.
Edit:
Oh and Tyrion and Varys, if there's one thing I look forward to in the next season at all, it is them handling Mereen together.
Greyblades
06-15-2015, 19:35
A week ago, I would be exhasperated that someone found the last episode amazing, now I'm just too tired.
Eh, the series has had its ups and downs for me too, but apart from the fact that Stannis got the short end of the stick, and the concern that the show might become a different Game of Thrones from the books entirely and lose it's identity, I think its going fine.
edyzmedieval
06-15-2015, 22:32
"I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow." - Melisandre
ReluctantSamurai
06-16-2015, 09:26
I would be exhasperated that someone found the last episode amazing
Don't know how anyone could not find Cersei's Walk of Shame to be a brilliant piece of acting and producing:shrug: And Arya's face-peeling scene was eerie as hell. And the set-up for next season's opener will probably make that episode the most watched ever. Will Jon get resurrected? Varys and Tyrion back together again? Danni reunited with the Dothraki? What will Jora and Daario find on their hunt for Dani? Is Stannis really dead? How does Arya cope with being blind? Do both Sansa and Reek survive the jump? And Sir Mountainstein better have sharpened his sword once Cersei finds out about Myrcella.......
In the span of two episodes a great series goes from it's greatest height and it's lowest point. I'm done.
I highly doubt that:inquisitive: You'll be settling in to watch Episode 1 of season 6 next spring just like millions of other viewers.....
Sarmatian
06-16-2015, 12:07
Don't know how anyone could not find Cersei's Walk of Shame to be a brilliant piece of acting and producing:shrug: And Arya's face-peeling scene was eerie as hell. And the set-up for next season's opener will probably make that episode the most watched ever. Will Jon get resurrected? Varys and Tyrion back together again? Danni reunited with the Dothraki? What will Jora and Daario find on their hunt for Dani? Is Stannis really dead? How does Arya cope with being blind? Do both Sansa and Reek survive the jump? And Sir Mountainstein better have sharpened his sword once Cersei finds out about Myrcella.......
I highly doubt that:inquisitive: You'll be settling in to watch Episode 1 of season 6 next spring just like millions of other viewers.....
It's just the book puritans. They can't judge a show on its own merit but only on how faithfully it follows the book.
That being said, 5th season has been the worst so far. Very little stuff actually happening, it feels like one very long set up for the finale. I think that's the most important reasons the show producers had to "invent" so many shocking moments, otherwise the ratings would have dropped.
I'm told by the people who read the books that the show is at least faithful to the books in that regard.
Greyblades
06-16-2015, 13:23
Ah, book purist, the old standard dismissal by those too lazy to read and see what they are missing. Some changes need to be made for the sake of adaptation, that's fine, but these ones are both werent necissary and are a major downgrade in quality compared to the books.
Don't know how anyone could not find Cersei's Walk of Shame to be a brilliant piece of acting and producing And Arya's face-peeling scene was eerie as hell.The walk was good, true to the books and well done, Arya's scene was fine though illogical, the entire point of the facless men is that they steal faces from corpses and wear them with magic, how could they get arya's without removing it? Eh, it doesnt really matter much if the mechanics change, they wear faces and kill people, if the episode was those two it would be fine.
And the set-up for next season's opener will probably make that episode the most watched ever. Will Jon get resurrected? Varys and Tyrion back together again? Eh, Tyrion and Varys would be interesting if Peter Dinklege gets back into it, but if he's anything like he was in the dany scenes I'm not sure I want it, dude seems half asleep compared to the previous seasons.
Jon's death felt pointless, after hardhome showing how utterly screwed they were if they didnt unite there should have not been that much dissent among the watch; in the books hardhome didnt happen so there were still doubts about the White Walkers and even then they had to be pushed by Jon's actions; namely finding out Sansa was at winterfel (in the books it's just a body double the boltons were using to pretend they had arya) and rallying the wildlings to go rescue her. Breaking his vows by getting involved in stannis' war made the watch finally turn on him.
This? The reasoning is kinda weak, I mean it wouldnt have taken that much effort to give the watch a breaking point, a dispute with the wildlings or something? Would it have cost too much to bring back Tormund for a scene? Or hell, just have him read the Bastard letter and get caught sneaking out. It's dissapointing.
What will Jora and Daario find on their hunt for Dani? Dunno, but I have no real faith the quality of writing will be maintained now they're going off script.
Is Stannis really dead?Considering they turned Song of Ice and Fire's antisocial King Theoden into Richard III's mentally disabled twin I find myself not caring. God, his actor deserved better.
How does Arya cope with being blind? Already know, aside from meryn trant It's going rather familiar to the books. Quite why they felt the need to make Trant a pedophile I can only speculate, probably a cheap way to make his death more satisfying.
Do both Sansa and Reek survive the jump? In the books they survived by jumping into the snow, which had become several feet thick as result of a month long blizzard, after which theyw ere rescued by Stannis' siege forces. Stannis' thaw got rid of the snow and now he's dead, it'll likely be Brienne who rescues them, probably with the teleport she used to find stannis on a battlefield, or the one mellisandre used to get to winterfel seemingly on the same day Davos did.
And Sir Mountainstein better have sharpened his sword once Cersei finds out about Myrcella.......
In the books his helmet was hollow.
ReluctantSamurai
06-16-2015, 17:34
Ah, book purist, the old standard dismissal by those too lazy to read
Purist indeed!:book2: I can only imagine what your critique of Peter Jackson is.........:creep:
Already know, aside from meryn trant It's going rather familiar to the books.
Isn't that the very thing ('already know what's going to happen') that screenwriters need to avoid when adapting a book series to screen? If you 'already know' right down to the very last minutiae, why bother watching? It goes with the territory that adaptations to screen need to introduce plot twists not in the books, spatial dislocation of characters, etc., to create and keep interest.
I repeat Martin's quote:
The graphic novels and television programmes are in the hands of others, who make their own artistic choices as to what sort of approach will work best in their respective mediums.
He understands this, why can't you?
Greyblades
06-16-2015, 18:08
Isn't that the very thing ('already know what's going to happen') that screenwriters need to avoid when adapting a book series to screen?
No, It's not. If they arent going to follow the plot even to a tangental degree then what is the point of having it be an adaptation in the first place?
If you 'already know' right down to the very last minutiae, why bother watching? It goes with the territory that adaptations to screen need to introduce plot twists not in the books, spatial dislocation of characters, etc., to create and keep interest. ...I think you need to take a step back and look at what you just said because that is nonsense. Why go see shakespeare if you already read the script in school? Why watch a documentary if they are going to accurately follow history?
I repeat Martin's quote:
He understands this, why can't you?Because the people he chose are good adapters but are nowhere near the story teller GRRM is. See how it says "what approach will work best"? He gave them reign to change things to better fit the medium, he did not give free reign to rewrite the story to thier individual preferences. Notice that the writing quality drops when they start making things up?
Arent you wondering what happened to the greyjoys? Where did the Blackfish go? When did you last see the Brotherhood without Banners?
You dont really think George forgot about them do you? Their stories have been phased out and replaced with boring simplistic tripe like Jamie at dorne and Sansa in Winterfell.
ReluctantSamurai
06-16-2015, 22:44
No, It's not. If they arent going to follow the plot even to a tangental degree then what is the point of having it be an adaptation in the first place?
Hell, why not just do a documentary? If the book is followed to a tee (and that's impossible with a different medium), there's not the level of intrigue or suspense than if you introduce creative elements that weren't in the books.
I think you need to take a step back and look at what you just said because that is nonsense
What's nonsense is that it's taken you five years to make such a big deal of departures from the books. The producers have been doing it since day 1. Putting characters where they weren't (in the books); changing characters period (it's Arya not Sansa back in Winterfell, for example); and a whole host of other changes. But god forbid they have Stannis murder his daughter, or Sir Mountainstein have eyes staring out of his helmet, or any of the other changes you're riding the waaambulance about:rolleyes2: Get over it or stop watching.....which I'm laying money on that you won't~D
Arent you wondering what happened to the greyjoys? Where did the Blackfish go?
There's only so much you can do on film. It would take 13-15 episodes/year (or more) to follow every plot-line in the books. That's why I quoted the GoT budget earlier to point up one of the reasons they aren't.....money. There's only so much that can be done with the money that's being spent (and what's being spent places GoT in the top 10 all time for TV episodes).
Notice that the writing quality drops when they start making things up?
That's your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it......even tho' I don't agree (and judging by viewership ratings, neither do a few million others).
Their stories have been phased out and replaced with boring simplistic tripe like Jamie at dorne and Sansa in Winterfell.
One thing we can agree on....both of those plot-lines were less than overwhelming. But....nobody is perfect, and neither are the producers of GoT. Some of their decisions worked well, and some didn't. But on the whole, still must watch viewing.
There's a naked woman walking rather fastly, so maybe it's a bit NWSF, but personally, I didn't manage to see anything spicy, besides a foot. Be warned, nevertheless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEQnwF4yoWI&feature=youtu.be
Sarmatian
06-18-2015, 21:30
Ah, book purist, the old standard dismissal by those too lazy to read and see what they are missing.
No, it's the old standard dismissal to the old standard "the only reason I don't like it is because it's not exactly the same as in the books".
This brings back memories of old discussions with LotR book purists of how Peter Jackson omitted Tom Bombadil scene. Oh, the sacrilege! Oh, how he ruined everything. Oh, it would have been better if the movies were never made.
Because the people he chose are good adapters but are nowhere near the story teller GRRM is.
I am going to be honest, he isn't that great of a writer. The books at time can be terrible to read with a real urge to scratch out your own eyes, but you only plough through it as you want to know what happens next in the story.
Greyblades
06-18-2015, 23:53
Writer, storyteller, what's the difference? None in my head!
Seriously though grrm has problems, but I still maintain that his story is much better without D&D's latest alterations.
ReluctantSamurai
06-19-2015, 01:34
Well, you have a little over 10 months before season 6 begins. Maybe you could take the time to contact the producers with a script of your own:creep:
:bounce:
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2016, 04:05
Oh my god, the Season 6 finale.
The last two episodes were both quite impressive. I think possibly my favorite part, though, was....
Arya's surprise appearance at the Twins.
AntiDamascus
06-27-2016, 15:14
I read the books but bought and didn't read the most recent one. I haven't watched the shows. Not out of any kind of hatred or whatever, I'm just not big TV person.
That said, watching these recaps it does seem like it has been recently a lot of quick, let's kill eeeeeveryone before the show is over. Is the plan literally to have almost everyone dead?
I've recently started watching the show, and watched up until the Season 6 finale. There was a lot packed into the finale geez, but it was great.
Hooahguy
06-27-2016, 22:54
Season 6 was so much better than season 5. Especially the last two episodes of this season, I was really impressed. I honestly thought that after they departed from the books that the quality would suffer but honestly season 6 has been fantastic. Not perfect, but I think it was the best season in a while.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-28-2016, 22:47
Season 6 was so much better than season 5. Especially the last two episodes of this season, I was really impressed. I honestly thought that after they departed from the books that the quality would suffer but honestly season 6 has been fantastic. Not perfect, but I think it was the best season in a while.
I liked that it felt like a finale, often GoT seems like it just runs out of money after ten episodes.
Also, all the stuff in the North
AE Bravo
06-28-2016, 23:47
Aw man only 12-15 episodes left.
Hooahguy
06-29-2016, 01:06
Also, all the stuff in the North
Lyanna Mormont stole that scene. Hell, she steals every scene shes in. Great character.
Aw man only 12-15 episodes left.
I have heard rumors that they are going to split the last season into two years with 7-8 episodes with each mini season. I really hope they expand it more as somehow I dont see all of this resolving nicely in even 15 episodes.
edyzmedieval
06-29-2016, 01:58
I'm eagerly awaiting book 6... Winds of Winter, please come out faster!
Season 6 last two episodes - par excellence.
Hooahguy
06-30-2016, 19:24
So this is amazing:
(obvious spoilers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11TZzy-T_GY
Strike For The South
07-04-2016, 03:04
Tormund is BAE
Hooahguy
07-07-2016, 00:14
They pushed back season 7 a bit (http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-game-of-thrones-season-seven-has-been-delayed/411403). But for seemingly good reasons.
Also it will only have 7 episodes.
ShadesWolf
09-03-2016, 15:30
I must admit I never saw the 'king of the north' bit coming
Hooahguy
08-27-2017, 17:47
I found this current season to be rather great! Anyone else enjoying it, or predictions for the finale? I think the Night King will break the wall down.
These last two seasons have been amazing imo. I'm not sure what the finale will bring, but hopefully it's as good as this last episode. I do agree that the Night King and the army of the dead are going to get through the wall, not sure it'll be in the finale, but I definitely think it's coming. I think this episode is mostly going to be about the meeting in King's Landing, or at least the vast majority of the episode. Not sure what's going to come of that really.
Thought this was funny(spoilers though):
https://i.imgur.com/pN8Et4L.png
Hooahguy
08-27-2017, 19:03
My prediction will be, according to what I have seen from the trailer, is that everyone meets up to try to hammer out a truce, Cersie tries to backstab everyone in some way, and the season ends with the wall crumbling and the Night King marching his army south.
My prediction will be, according to what I have seen from the trailer, is that everyone meets up to try to hammer out a truce, Cersie tries to backstab everyone in some way, and the season ends with the wall crumbling and the Night King marching his army south.
Yeah, that seems to be what's going to unfold. I just don't see how they'll be able to take down the wall.
Hooahguy
08-27-2017, 22:34
So I think because the Night King touched Bran, he will be able to disable the magic keeping the White Walkers behind the wall. We will see tonight though.
GeneralHankerchief
08-28-2017, 01:56
I got accidentally spoiled on a particular plot point a few hours ago, a bit disappointed but still excited for the finale tonight. :yes:
Hooahguy
08-28-2017, 20:49
Havent watched the finale yet, but I definitely enjoyed this:
(no spoilers)
https://streamable.com/n0psq
I enjoyed the finale, thought it was really good.
https://s26.postimg.org/bj8y22mjd/whng_Zp_S.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
What the heck... 7 episodes when there are 10 in ALL previous seasons.
https://s26.postimg.org/bj8y22mjd/whng_Zp_S.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
It was amazing that charade went on as long as it did.
Hooahguy
08-29-2017, 16:47
Watched the finale last night.
Seeing Littlefinger executed was particularly satisfying. Kinda figured that the Stark sisters were playing him.
Also figured that Cersei would go back on her word. Much more credit needs to be given to Lena Headey who plays her flawlessly. Was holding my breath when Jaime walked away from her. I really thought he would be struck down.
Seeing the wall collapse was a shock, even though I knew it was coming. If Tormund dies, we riot.
What the heck... 7 episodes when there are 10 in ALL previous seasons.
Season 8 will only be 6 episodes, but it is implied that they will be longer, like 80 minutes or more (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/29/16215784/game-of-thrones-season-8-premiere-date-2019). Also we might not get to see it until 2019.
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