Mladic in Deb Haag such a travesty

[Fragony]

We killed over a 100.000 Indonesians in the fifties, just killed them, entire villages dead because of us, we killed them. Our future queen refuses to recognise that her her dad was responsible for the death of 30.000 Argentinans. I can't explain that to said Afgentinians. And here we are supposed to trial Mladi

[Banquo's Ghost]

:inquisitive:

Anyone care to have a stab at explaining this prose poem or shall I put it gently to sleep?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Fortunately, we're not. Some International Tribunal which is hosted in Den Haag (The Hague) is...

[Sarmatian]

:inquisitive:

Anyone care to have a stab at explaining this prose poem or shall I put it gently to sleep?

I think he's trying to say that a pot is calling the kettle black...

[Greyblades]

...What the fig is this thread about?

[Louis VI the Fat]

We killed over a 100.000 Indonesians in the fifties, just killed them, entire villages dead because of us, we killed them. No you didn't and besides the Muslims started it and where are the bodies nobody got killed without a body and why is everybody only blaming the Netherlands do you know how many Dutch were brutally killed really the victim here is the Netherlands

[Beskar]

He is saying about the Dutch colonial days when the Dutch Royal Family are responsible for mass killings and possible genocide and no one has been tried for it, however, they are meant to sentence Mladic in the Netherlands for such crimes.

He is saying it is hypocritical.

Actually, one of the better Fragony posts in an enlightening way. Saying that justice should be done properly.

[Brenus]

“No you didn't and besides the Muslims started it and where are the bodies nobody got killed without a body and why is everybody only blaming the Netherlands do you know how many Dutch were brutally killed really the victim here is the Netherlands”
Yes they did as we have satellite pictures and the media said so after a daring account from the Charities.
As the bodies vanished in the tropical weather and the Dutch were just too good at hiding the bodies that they were re-burring every night.
If that is enough as proof, I don't know what will do for you… Genocide Denier you are...:disappointed:

[Shaka_Khan]

We killed over a 100.000 Indonesians in the fifties, just killed them, entire villages dead because of us, we killed them. Our future queen refuses to recognise that her her dad was responsible for the death of 30.000 Argentinans. I can't explain that to said Afgentinians. And here we are supposed to trial Mladi
The difference is that most people in the world are unaware of what you mentioned.
Windmills, levee, flowers, total football, Cruyff, Hiddink, drugs, and the color orange are the main people and things that are being thought of about your country.

[Samurai Waki]

Except it's a UN court and not a Dutch court. Either way, cleaning out the closet never hurts.. The Belgians did far worse, but their involvement in the Congo has been largely swept under the rug as well.

[gaelic cowboy]

The Belgians did far worse, but their involvement in the Congo has been largely swept under the rug as well.

The Casement Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_Report) by Roger Casement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Casement) on the abuses in the Congo pretty much blew the lid on it and ended up with the King losing the Congo as his personal fiefdom.

Congo Reform Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Reform_Association)

[Subotan]

Maybe it's closure for the Dutch, since their peacekeepers inn Bosnia allowed murderers to stroll right past them to get down to their dirty, genocidal business.

[A Very Super Market]

The Casement Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_Report) by Roger Casement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Casement) on the abuses in the Congo pretty much blew the lid on it and ended up with the King losing the Congo as his personal fiefdom.

Congo Reform Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Reform_Association)
Good thing we stopped all that horrible business.





Alright, so this means that Mladic is innocent, right? That's what I'm getting.

[Louis VI the Fat]

“No you didn't and besides the Muslims started it and where are the bodies nobody got killed without a body and why is everybody only blaming the Netherlands do you know how many Dutch were brutally killed really the victim here is the Netherlands”
Yes they did as we have satellite pictures and the media said so after a daring account from the Charities.
As the bodies vanished in the tropical weather and the Dutch were just too good at hiding the bodies that they were re-burring every night.
If that is enough as proof, I don't know what will do for you… Genocide Denier you are...:disappointed:Again?

I don't deny anything! How often must I tell you? Each time I think I am making progress, managing to convince you that this war was not a one-sided affair, not between good and evil. And then, just when I think I've finally gotten true, you come up with these posts again. :shame:

Sukarno was a nationalist, a fascist, who co-operated with the Japanese fascists, a mass murderer, an Islamic warlord. They still celebrate their atrocities and murders. It is on their coins, their postage stamps.
I was there, I saw the snipers, the Islamic militias, the fascist militias. I've even written a book about it. But nobody wants to publish it. The world doesn't want to hear the truth. The world wants to be fed the easy narrative of a simple struggle between good and evil. The simple narrative that lazy reporters and attention seeking Western thinkers wrote at the very beginning of the conflict, and from which they never strayed anymore, regardless of what local sources and closer inspection revealed. :no:

[Brenus]

“Maybe it's closure for the Dutch, since their peacekeepers inn Bosnia allowed murderers to stroll right past them to get down to their dirty, genocidal business.”
The question is how the Dutch Battalion would have known what the Serbs would have prepared? Mladic didn’t come and said: “by the way, I will slaughter all the men able to carry weapons”.
I was there during the first offensive on Sebrenica, the one that was stopped by Morillon. I spoke with some Serbian soldiers at the time and they were determined to take revenge on Oric and his troops for the exactions on Serbian Villages surrounding the Muslim Stronghold (the future Unarmed United Nation Protected Area).
However, I was not expecting a slaughter at this scale…
To put children and women in buses is not an indication for war crime as such.

So either the Dutch should have fight for the Pocket abandoned by the troops that was supposed to do just this (and this was not their mandate) or just follow what was inevitable, the fall of the town in Serbian Hands.
As I said, the Muslim Forces had evacuated the Town few days before so why the Dutch (who were daily spit-at and humiliated by the population) took the fight?

“Alright, so this means that Mladic is innocent, right? That's what I'm getting.”.
No that means Justice is done when our interests want it done.
Mladic is guilty so were Karadzic and Milosevic. However some as much guilty of them (it is curious that nobody is in trial for the war crime against Fikret Abdic’s troops) were never even questioned about what they were responsible for.
Or found not guilty by a Court that is historian, judge, military expert and anthropologist.

[Brenus]

“I was there, I saw the snipers, the Islamic militias, the fascist militias. I've even written a book about it. But nobody wants to publish it. The world doesn't want to hear the truth.”
All right.
Louis.
The fact you were there proves nothing.
Sorry. :embarassed:

First you can’t see the other side of the hills. You can easily manipulated (probably in good faith) by what you experimented by the simple fact you were living with the population. You shared with them, and there is nothing wrong about it. It is a little bit like the Stockhlom Syndrome.
Then of course you see only one side, the mothers crying, the hungers and anger, the shelling of hospital.
You see the war.
But it is not a reason to kill the grand children for what happened in the past. Of course, it was more than stupid for Suharto to revive the glory of the Caliphate and to give names to streets of mass murderers, but it was not done with bad intension. Of course, the alliance of the Nationalist and the Japanese was bad, but it was not that bad. They had some reasons to do so, and of course it went too far, but the Japanese were seen as liberators thanks the Sphere of Co-prosperity they were advocating at that time.
And I have to say that I recognise that some aspects of Suharto speeches (“what I will do with the Ducth? Sent them toe the Moon?”, or “Thanks to God my wife is not Dutch nor Catholic”) were borderlines and not really encouraging dialogues and mutual understanding, but really, it was too much overreactions for the Dutch.

About the book, I am sure it is very interesting but I don’t think it is about truth. It is about selling and at that time, publishers were more interested by books like “Hostage of the Dutch” or some other written by mercenaries fighting alongside the Indonesians.:no::no:
Alas poor Yorick, there is something rotten in the Kingdom of (Denmark) Holland.

[HoreTore]

Louis wins yet another thread! Fantastic!

[TheLastDays]

Well he needs to be tried and judged for what he has done, it doesn't matter to me, where that happens. Just because obviously some people get away with their crimes is no basis for letting everyone get away with their crimes...

[Strike For The South]

Does it always have to be about hating the royalists?

[Fragony]

Does it always have to be about hating the royalists?

Of course not as they aren't brown, you aren't very good with your own logic.

[Samurai Waki]

The Casement Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_Report) by Roger Casement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Casement) on the abuses in the Congo pretty much blew the lid on it and ended up with the King losing the Congo as his personal fiefdom.

Congo Reform Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Reform_Association)

You have to admit this is not widely circulated knowledge. I didn't know about the Belgian's little adventure into the Congo until after I joined this forum, there was never any mention of it in any of my classes in school. We're in the minority. Nobody wants to talk about the Congo, it may be not fixable.

[Fragony]

You have to admit this is not widely circulated knowledge. I didn't know about the Belgian's little adventure into the Congo until after I joined this forum, there was never any mention of it in any of my classes in school. We're in the minority. Nobody wants to talk about the Congo, it may be not fixable.

Don't worry most people aren't, if you want a decent acount read Heart of Darkness that's us that is what we do, that is how we will be judged and we will have no idea how vicious anti-white stentiments are back there