Brennus
06-01-2011, 13:15
Just something I have been pondering lately but which form of wall are the EBII planning to surround fortified Celtic settlements with? I ask because as the team is no doubt aware there is not a single type of wall which is found throughout the Celtic speaking world. Although I don't claim to know how settlments of the Celtiberians, Galatians and Cisalpine Gauls were fortified here is a quick description of the types found at Celtic sites in the EBII timeframe if people want to debate this further:
Dump Rampart and Ditch: A simple but easy to construct and maintain fortification where the earth surrounding a site is dug out to form a ditch and at the same time thrown up to form a rampart. Distribution: Britain and Ireland, although not across the entire region.
Murus Gallicus: Stone faced wall with internal wooden structure laid out in a grid formation. The internal wooden structure is laid out horizontally and the wooden beams are held together with iron nails with some of the wooden structure being visible protruding the stone facing at the front of the wall. The entire structure is further reinforced with soil which in turn forms a rampart to the rear of the wall. Distribution: Overwhelmingly Gaul.
Ehrang type: Similar to, and predating the Murus Gallicus, this wall is different from the Murus Gallicus in that it lacks iron nails to hold the wooden grid structure together and is has no rear rampart. Distribution: Overwhelmingly Gaul.
Altkonig-Preist: Stone faced wall with vertical wooden supports at the front and back of the wall. Horizontal wooden supports also run from the front of the wall to the back attached to the vertical wooden supports for increased stability. Distribution: Largely East of the Rhine in southern Germany although a few examples exist in Gaul.
Kelheim Type: A development of the above type but with fewer horizontal wooden reinforcements. Instead stability is increased by the inclusion of a rampart to the rear of the wall, thus removing the need for rear wooden reinforcements. Distribution: Same as the above.
Fécamp/Tallus Massif: Similar to British rampart style but with a higher rampart and a shallower but wider ditch. Distribution: Found in two large concentrations; one in Belgium and one in Cnetral Western Gaul but isolated examples do exist in Britain (where they appear to be an improvement on the earlier Dump Rampart style) and in Armorica and Eastern Germany.
The largest fortification which currently surrounds Celtic settlements in EB appears to be of the Altkonig-Preist type although few excations have so far unearthed evidence of Celtic sites incorporating towers into their defenses (In EB however this is due to game limitations rather than a fault on the teams part).
Thus you see the dilemma I have been considering. I also wonder if the MTW2 engine allows the creation of ramparts?
Like with the issue of round and rectalinear Celtic houses I understand that it is impossible to provide each region with the fortification type which was unique to that area.
Sorry if this post appears arrogant, if people like they can bring me down to size by PMing me with questions about Dacians and Germans, of whom I know little.
Dump Rampart and Ditch: A simple but easy to construct and maintain fortification where the earth surrounding a site is dug out to form a ditch and at the same time thrown up to form a rampart. Distribution: Britain and Ireland, although not across the entire region.
Murus Gallicus: Stone faced wall with internal wooden structure laid out in a grid formation. The internal wooden structure is laid out horizontally and the wooden beams are held together with iron nails with some of the wooden structure being visible protruding the stone facing at the front of the wall. The entire structure is further reinforced with soil which in turn forms a rampart to the rear of the wall. Distribution: Overwhelmingly Gaul.
Ehrang type: Similar to, and predating the Murus Gallicus, this wall is different from the Murus Gallicus in that it lacks iron nails to hold the wooden grid structure together and is has no rear rampart. Distribution: Overwhelmingly Gaul.
Altkonig-Preist: Stone faced wall with vertical wooden supports at the front and back of the wall. Horizontal wooden supports also run from the front of the wall to the back attached to the vertical wooden supports for increased stability. Distribution: Largely East of the Rhine in southern Germany although a few examples exist in Gaul.
Kelheim Type: A development of the above type but with fewer horizontal wooden reinforcements. Instead stability is increased by the inclusion of a rampart to the rear of the wall, thus removing the need for rear wooden reinforcements. Distribution: Same as the above.
Fécamp/Tallus Massif: Similar to British rampart style but with a higher rampart and a shallower but wider ditch. Distribution: Found in two large concentrations; one in Belgium and one in Cnetral Western Gaul but isolated examples do exist in Britain (where they appear to be an improvement on the earlier Dump Rampart style) and in Armorica and Eastern Germany.
The largest fortification which currently surrounds Celtic settlements in EB appears to be of the Altkonig-Preist type although few excations have so far unearthed evidence of Celtic sites incorporating towers into their defenses (In EB however this is due to game limitations rather than a fault on the teams part).
Thus you see the dilemma I have been considering. I also wonder if the MTW2 engine allows the creation of ramparts?
Like with the issue of round and rectalinear Celtic houses I understand that it is impossible to provide each region with the fortification type which was unique to that area.
Sorry if this post appears arrogant, if people like they can bring me down to size by PMing me with questions about Dacians and Germans, of whom I know little.