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What do you lot think of the change of release date? I was just liking to know, because I am pretty annoyed.
Gregoshi
06-19-2001, 00:31
Jon, I must have beat your post by mere seconds. LOL
Well, I'm disappointed but at least there will be no bickering about who gets it first.
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Asakura Lord
06-19-2001, 00:35
It still sucks that they pushed it back. They should wait until they know for a solid fact when it can be released to announce a release date. I hate getting my hopes up to get it and then have to wait another month.
Well, I have the expansion to Suddenstrike coming out on the 29th June, so I guess that will tide me over till the 20th July. Still, I am very, very disapointed.
Told Ya !
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Gregoshi
06-19-2001, 01:23
JayDee, what took you so long? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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NagaoKagetora
06-19-2001, 02:17
Suprise is not an emotion im feeling right now!
Somebody wake me up in Spring2002....Im sure Spring2001 was a typo!
KenchiKagetora
I think the least E.A could do is grace us with an official explanation about this delay on this forum, still I guess hell will be a cold place before that happens.
Eh. Better late than broken, IMHO. If it's a *good* expansion pack, the extra waiting should be minimal compared to the time spent playing.
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ShadowKill
06-19-2001, 03:17
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thats all
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Ii Naomasa
06-19-2001, 03:52
Well, the push back doesn't bother me too much. I have plenty to do (both in terms of games and, more importantly, life) in the mean time and a late July release will mean I'll be in my new place by then and most likely will have a broadband connection, so I can 'get back out there'. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
While some may consider it a cop-out, I would agree that it's much better to wait a month and have a product we can actually play than get something sooner and not be able to play it at all for a month because of bugs or other problems. At least you don't have the box staring at you, taunting you with its presence...
Anssi Hakkinen
06-19-2001, 05:53
For the record, I am not particularly happy.
I hope, I fervently hope that I remember the last few news posts (which The Shogun has tactfully deleted) incorrectly... I seem to recall there was some talk about the expansion undergoing quality assurance. If that is true, then the obvious reason for this delay (and it being announced so late) is that the QA people have returned the game to the developers. And the only reason for that would be that the game is *intolerably* buggy. And I would dislike that very much indeed. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
I will now retire to grant my optimism a speedy recovery or a honorable death.
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KumaRatta Yamamoto
06-19-2001, 06:31
I fear that you are right Anssi. And if it is the case , it will not come out on july 20th.
We are slowly falling in the push back mode, like for the patches...
Hosakawa Tito
06-19-2001, 07:31
Extremely disappointing news,but imagine how much more disappointing if it was released with so many bugs that it was practically unplayable?I've been burned on a few of those,and I'm sure I'm not the only one here.
*Sigh*Delayed gratification sucks,but we must"endeavor to persevere"or go mad,the choice is yours.
MagyarKhans Cham
06-19-2001, 08:03
than give us a webdesign goodie pack to let us make new websites and stuff that would keep my han busy for a while http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Koga No Goshi
06-19-2001, 09:31
Anybody who perhaps has played Ultima Online, which is done by OSI, a branch of EA, knows that EA has gotten to the point where it's basically totally unapologetic about bugged products released ahead of schedule, unexplained delays, (some patches in UO have been up to a year and a half late from promised date, over seemingly simple and frustrating bugs too), and are notoriously indifferent in customer support and technical assistance.
I like the game, but hate the company.
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Goshi of Koga
That SUCKS!!! Damnit!!!
At least i got a E-mail from Ming-Sheng Lee at Magitech Corporation. Do you remember the game called "Takeda"? I am a Beta Testing!! Cool..
http://www.ezgame.com/Takeda/home.html
EasyCo
solypsist
06-19-2001, 12:32
wow. if it's being pushed back that far, there may yet be a chance i may be around to catch it and be able to access the .Org within a decent period of time without being too far behind (it's a given that the first four weeks of the release will be dominated by complaint-threads or newbie-threads)
I can understand shops and game related websites making mistakes and even the developers dropping dates and hints'but they OFFICIALLY posted the June 29th on their own site'so how can they do this?
Where is the great Daimyo Richie Skinner?
Ashamed to show his face?
Hach
P.S can anyone post me a url for the community site forum as i cannot get access from works computer without one.
Hehehe we get this again huh. Oh well. For those of you who didn't experience STW regular being pushed back - imagining having nothing to play at all.
Dark Phoenix
06-19-2001, 19:37
Well I want ton know why they posted a date before Quality control? When it would still be likely of being put back? Well I guess I am just being sensible. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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wasaaabi
06-19-2001, 22:21
A few thoughts (mostly unpleasant) reagarding the push-back on the release date:
1. Anssi Hakkinen's previous message linking the pushback to a QC failure is a pretty good guess, and that's really bad news. EA has been known to release partially completed products in the past; if the beta was so bad it couldn't pass even THEIR quality control check, God help us.
2. Does the month delay mean that the MP strategic game will now be included? (*snork* just kidding!)
3. Nice try on the attempt to "spin" the delay in a positive light with the "simultaneous rollout of all language versions at the same time". La-de-frigging-da.
4. EA certainly HAS done a good job in keeping a tight muzzle on the beta test team. When these guys finally get uncorked, I'll bet they;ve got some interesting stories to tell...
Do I sound bitter? Yep. There's no excuse for announcing a release date and then recending it with no explanation. Would it hurt so much to say "we found a problem in the such-and-such calculation and we want to fix it before we release the update"? I can understand delays, but these three-week extension bombs with zero explanation are getting on my nerves...
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Asakura Lord
06-19-2001, 22:22
Hey they don't care how bitter we are. Who knows next month they will probably push it back again, but they know that we will still buy it no matter when it comes out. An explination would be nice, but that will never happen.
Well... that just means CQC found a bug. I say: better them than us!
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By the way... whose smoking gun is this???
Kraellin
06-20-2001, 02:10
first off, you guys shld understand one thing, EA has NOTHING to do with production or quality control, so blaming them for the delay or the no explanation is quite simply, wrong target. if you read the credits of the game you'll see that i'm right. EA is ONLY the distributor.
second, anyone that's been online for any length of time knows all about 'vapor-ware'. such and such is due out at such and such a time and it doesnt arrive. in this industry it's almost a standard. whenever you see a release date for something, it's more like a notice of, 'this is what we're shooting for, but dont hold us to it' type notice. it's prolly not a good idea, but it seems to happen a lot, so you just take it in stride. you'll often hear about a given piece of software going on like this for a year or more. it's really not that uncommon. i think starcraft and diablo II were both delayed for over a year.
as for an explanation as to why it was delayed, you might ask yourselves why CA doesnt post on the forums any more and i think that may explain the lack of an explanation, at least to some extent.
i do understand the disappointment. and hopefully CA will alter their pr practices a bit. course, that might mean we wont hear anything till it's gone gold. ;)
K.
candidgamera
06-20-2001, 02:36
Four words to remember, let's all say them together shall we:
AGE OF SAIL TWO.
Wireframe
06-20-2001, 04:12
Well said Kraellin.
Koga No Goshi
06-20-2001, 06:07
Let's all just be glad that we're still in summer, because EA is really really really bad about pushing to get products released for the Christmas shopping rush regardless of flaws, case in point being Ultima Ascension (single player game, never played it but heard from everyone who did that it was OBVIOUS it was just released for the Christmas $$$ spree and should have been in debugging for another three months at least). If this were November we'd probably all have our expansion packs and Yari Ashigaru would be taking down 12 units of Mongol Cavalry apiece. (Oops, who gave them 29 honor?) Hehe
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Goshi of Koga
Now we disappear,
Well, what must we think of it?
From the sky we came.
Now we may go back again.
That's at least one point of view.
-Hojo Ujimasa's seppekku poem.
There's a possibility that many of us have forgotten in our frustration over the delay and it was hinted at in Richie's post, localization.
Those of you who have been here since the beginning will remember the irritation and occasionally outright anger of non-English players of the game at the delays they were forced to endure waiting for patches while those of us who had the English version of the game were able to continue playing.
In his post Richie specifically mentions that as a result of the delay in release, it will be released worldwide simultaneously. My thinking is that CA/DT made the decision to hold off on the release until it was ready for everyone in order to avoid the localization issues faced with previous releases.
The good news, in keeping with my line of thought and belief, is that there is nothing wrong with the Mongol software itself. This delay, while irritating, will also provide the developers with additional time to test the software and ensure an even more stable platform than it is now.
Just a thought.........
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Erado San
06-20-2001, 22:02
Kraellin,
You are wrong about one thing: EA deinitely does have a say in Quality Control.
But whatever the reasons for the delay, I don't care. It wasn't finished so I don't want it. I'll wait til it's ready if you don't mind.
Yes, Age of Sail 2.
Yes, Sea Dogs.
Yes, probably another dozen titles apply.
Hosakawa Tito
06-21-2001, 06:10
Amen to that sentiment Erado-san,I have a number of stinkers in my collection.I don't want it till it's ready.And I think we can all agree that they want our money in their hot little hands as soon as possible.Unlike some companies,they seem to be willing to make it as bug free as they can,they could have just released it as is,taken our money,and promise a future patch or two,or three...
Asakura Lord
06-21-2001, 06:43
I agree, I would much rather have it working without any problems in another month, than have it tomorrow with a few bugs. If I'm gonna spend the money I want a good product, and that's why they are pushing it back... again..
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MagyarKhans Cham
06-21-2001, 07:33
My Khan is busy with his campaign in Japan, his mongol reinforcements seems late...
wasaaabi
06-21-2001, 11:51
Just to clarify -- I'll be pleased if they keep their unfinished products to themselves, and only release the completed ones -- no question there. My beef is the complete lack of explanation. I'm in the software development bidness too, and I know what it's like to have a Murphy Moment. But when that happens, I for darn sure make sure my client is informed of what happened and why.
And while a simultaneous release of all langage versons is a Good Thing, it seem a mite suspicious that that "feature" of the release materialized out of the wild blue. Sorry guys, a pig in a dress is still a pig.
Come on, EA/CA -- there are folks who are literally planning vacations around this release date. Something approximating a real status would be nice...
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Dark Phoenix
06-21-2001, 13:05
Well I dont want a incomplete game either just that I dont think they should of given us a date if it wasnt in QC yet.
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Takeda Shingen
06-21-2001, 13:58
I too am very angry but i rather have a delay in order for a product that's going to be great.As against a game like Age of Sail II which was released too quickly and many problem's with that game.
Michael
Got an e-mail yesterday from richie'but nothing unexpected and no explanation.
hach
Anssi Hakkinen
06-21-2001, 17:49
Dark Phoenix-san, it's perfectly normal to announce a relase date before QC - because, considering how buggy some games are released, a game not passing the final QC is a rare event. Daikatana was celebrated as "having gone gold" three or four times - and each time it was returned by their QC, with a note on it saying "you could at least try". http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
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Erado San
06-21-2001, 18:35
I'd rather wish they wouldn't post a release date until they are so absolutely sure that there won't have to be delays so we don't get this same argument again and again.
Dark Phoenix
06-21-2001, 21:16
Well it may be the standard in the games industry but it just does not make sense to announce the date before hand. But why would you want to upset customers by telling them a date and then saying it will be a month later without a reasonable reason why it has been delayed.
It does not happen for all games though I have also been following the release of Throne of Bhaal and they would not give out a date as much as they were asked as they said it was still undergoing testing and therefore no accurate date could be given.
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DoragonPhoenix of the Clan Doragon (http://clandragon2.homestead.com/Dragon01.html)
I am no hero I just like to hit people in the head. :p
So do you think the expansion will actually be released on the 20th July, or not? Personally, I believe we will be O.K for that date.
Somebody deserves to commit Seppuku for this dishonorable delay http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Kokueater
06-23-2001, 04:19
What can we do but awaiting for it?
Hope to have it in time to enjoy my summer vacation!!!
Dark Phoenix
06-23-2001, 12:20
Well seeing as I am getting Baldurs Gate 2 expnsion on Wednesday I am not as upset about this as I get a 4 weeks pretty much to finish that. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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I am no hero I just like to hit people in the head. :p
Methabaron
06-24-2001, 15:46
Hi there Erado, http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Quote I'd rather wish they wouldn't post a release date until they are so absolutely sure that there won't have to be delays so we don't get this same argument again and again.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, but why do they do it anyways?... because they are incompetent. Dark Phoenix points out the key when he says:
Quote Well it may be the standard in the games industry but it just does not make sense to announce the date before hand. But why would you want to upset customers by telling them a date and then saying it will be a month later without a reasonable reason why it has been delayed.[/QUOTE]
The lack of information is absolutely disrepectful. You have spent money in their products, you have a right to demand ALL answers you want. You should have had the long needed patches MONTHS ago. The way they delayed them to merge them with the expansion was an excellent exemple of how a total disrepectful action can be made to look like a reasonable decision... In my humble opinion the fact that they do not show any or little respect for this community tells me about how high (very low in this case, rather underground i'd say) this online community ranks in their sales scope.
Delays announcements are a norm in the software industry but by no means it means that it should be accepted as a rule!!!, all of the software companies that have the same practice are disrepectfull towards their clients and are by definition incompetent. I decided long ago not to spend a single more dime with an incompetent group like the one producing and making the STW series.
Metha
PS: there you go my rant of the week!!!
;-)
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Hehe, a visit from Metha is just what this thread needed! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Anssi Hakkinen
06-24-2001, 17:03
Indeed, Metha-san, you have not changed. (I'll let you figure that out. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif)
That Takeda game looks nice.....
If its out before X-pack they will lose alot of buyers for the X-pack..
Anyone knows when that one is out???
And i hope Pretorians will come without to much delay...then its HASTA LA VISTA EA/(CA) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
Want spend 1 more buck on EA in my life time, thats a promise!!!
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Koga No Goshi
06-25-2001, 02:51
I agree EA's attitude towards its customers is shameful, but as someone pointed out much earlier in this thread, they know they have us hooked and we're going to buy the game no matter how much we complain. Ultima Online by EA requires so much work and time and effort to get good at that I have no doubt that's a built-in design to keep you paying that $10/month to play it... once you've invested that much you're reluctant to leave no matter how bad the service or product is.
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Koga no Goshi
Why did you bring 16 Female Ashigaru? Keep clicking weather, they're only strong one week a month.
The EX pack is on for 20th July, which means they might just be thinking about starting to consider releasing it in October. LOL
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