It's a surprise mafia [Concluded]

[Renata]

(A family member got some bad news; add being away all weekend and I don't think I can get back into this today. If I'm wrong, great; if not, see you tomorrow.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Looks like someone forgot to send in an order. I'll extend it.

:wink:

[Diamondeye]

Looks like someone forgot to send in an order. I'll extend it.

:wink:

:wink:

[Major Robert Dump]

If anyone here is a cult leader and forgot to turn in their orders they should post and tell us when they will be able to so we can check back later.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok that's plenty of time. Let me get settled and execute your orders, and do the writeup. Don't wait up.

[classical_hero]

Twiddles thumbs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT FOUR




The peasants got up well before the sun rose in the sky, and lined up. This time, there would be no annoying method of being woke from sleep.


And so they stood there.


Yep. Just standing around.


The minutes passed, and it was rather quiet. Soon, the faint glow of the morning's approach turned into a beautiful sunrise. And they waited.


One of the peasants coughed slightly. Soon the pizza ovens would be fired up and pouring smoke into the morning sky.


Still waiting. It was now mid-morning.


What was Pizza's evil plan this time? They wondered. Still, no one said anything.


Finally, at high noon, their charismatic leader General Hanky knocked softly on the door of Askthepizzaguy's mansion. There was no response.


As noon turned into afternoon, they suspected trouble. They busted down the front door, and what they found shocked and horrified them all.


"I wanna ride the pony...." mumbled the sleeping Askthepizzaguy.


There lay Pizza, sprawled out on his bed, in front of his tiny laptop computer. With one hand laying on the keyboard, and the other tucked neatly under his pillow. His loud snoring permeated the entire mansion.... which was strangely bare and had almost no furniture. On his computer display was the unfinished writeup for today. And pizza was sans pants, or anything else for that matter.


The peasants averted their eyes, and one of them went outside to grab a stick. As they poked the Pizza guy with the stick, he woke violently from his sleep.


"I'm comin' Elizabeth!" cried Pizzaguy as he grabbed his medieval battle axe from under the bed, and began swinging it around his head at the group of peasants. They ran for cover.


"Sorry, force of habit. You see, usually when I'm sleeping, some fool gangster is trying to kill me. It happens at least once a month." explained Pizza. "I'm a little paranoid. I fell asleep while writing, as I've worked almost 60 hours in the past 6 days. As for the nudity, my roomate has the thermostat set at over 90 degrees, and it's very difficult to sleep in such heat. Okay, now, start discussing who is a heretic and stuff."


And so the shaken peasants left the mansion, wondering where all of Pizzaguy's furniture went.


"I'm poor, okay?"





Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
Diamondeye
GeneralHankerchief
Ibn-Khaldun
Major Robert Dump
Populus Romanus
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:





You have 24 hours!





DAY FIVE

[Romanic]

vote: robbiecon

He's never voted, yet looking at his profile in the last two days, I know for a fact that he's been around on the ORG almost every day, if not all. Two posts so far in the game thread is not enough, and I also have seen robbie hiding on purpose in previous games.

Off to work, so I won't be able to reply about this before 9-10 hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, I'm not going to be reading y'alls quicktopics. I got too much on my plate to read all that stuff. So if you have important messages to send me, do it via PM.

[Diamondeye]

The real reason I voted Believer was because he beat me at chess :stare:

Vote: Romanic :stare:

[Believer]

Vote: Romanic :stare:

So scummy, how are you still alive? :S

[TheLastDays]

So scummy, how are you still alive? :S

GH hasn't voted him yet :D

Also vote: Arpeg
haven't heard much from you yet, I believe...

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Also vote: Arpeg
haven't heard much from you yet, I believe...

Apologies for my inactivity, I've just got back from a few days away (and you can check that; it's concurrent with information given in The Crazy Game). I'll post a vote as soon as I get the chance.

I should also add that apparently I was kidnapped and force-fed Pizza last night for some reason, although it sounds like whatever was attempted on me failed. Has anybody else experienced this?

[Mr. Stuka]

I should also add that apparently I was kidnapped and force-fed Pizza last night for some reason, although it sounds like whatever was attempted on me failed. Has anybody else experienced this?

*Appears* I did. It converts you back to town, since pizza is the town. So obviously, there is a pro-town power role, which is why i tried to keep GH alive, because I felt like it was him.

[Populus Romanus]

*Appears* I did. It converts you back to town, since pizza is the town. So obviously, there is a pro-town power role, which is why i tried to keep GH alive, because I felt like it was him.Same here. He is probably one of the "uncovertables".

[Major Robert Dump]

*Appears* I did. It converts you back to town, since pizza is the town. So obviously, there is a pro-town power role, which is why i tried to keep GH alive, because I felt like it was him.

Per the rules, I'm fairly certain this is TMI since this is new public info and you are dead.

And didn't you and GH have a pissing contest a couple nights ago, and now you are saying you tried to keep him alive? Was your mistally and subsequent death really a mistake, or did you throw yourself under the bus to save your "leader?"

Don't answer that question, dead guy. It was meant to spark debate amongst the living, and to point out that what you just said from the grave does not match what I saw in the thread. In fact, I would lynch you again if I could.

[Mr. Stuka]

Guys, I have feeling GH isn't scummy.

*Disappears*

[Romanic]

Vote: Romanic :stare:

You quote yourself and you vote for me? :smug2:

Also, come on people, look at robbiecon's profile, he's been active, yet he has never voted in this game. It's time to pressure him.

[Major Robert Dump]

Don't dissappear, Stuka, I'm just hounding you. You're participation is appreciated.

Vote: Robbiecon

Sounds like a good start. Also curious if anyone else can verify this force-fed-pizza thing, I have yet to be confronted with anything like this, nor have I been recruited by a cult, which really makes me feel like the fat kid during kickball.

[TheLastDays]

@ Arpeg: Alright.

Enough pressure on robbiecon for now though, so why don't we vote: Romanic

[Romanic]

Look at this opportunist scum - He would never vote me when I was voting him, and when I turn my eyes on robbie for being wormy, and someone else (DE) votes me, boom, he also votes me and without giving a proper reason.

What's your case TLD?

[TheLastDays]

What's your case, Romanic? If I was scum, I'd come up with weak cases, push bandwagons that aren't chasing me or my friends and the like. Since I am town I will pressure and try to get reactions on which to build cases. Why should I OMGUS you when you are voting me? Why should I change my vote from someone who I think is worthy of lynching (talking about the GH situation D3) just because you voted for me?

You've been pressuring people all game and you've never been under real pressure yourself. Figured I'd change that and see how you react. You were also the only person with a vote on yourself right now so since robbie has two votes already you were the only person I was really able to pressure.

[Romanic]

What's your case, Romanic? If I was scum, I'd come up with weak cases, push bandwagons that aren't chasing me or my friends and the like. Since I am town I will pressure and try to get reactions on which to build cases. Why should I OMGUS you when you are voting me? Why should I change my vote from someone who I think is worthy of lynching (talking about the GH situation D3) just because you voted for me?

You've been pressuring people all game and you've never been under real pressure yourself. Figured I'd change that and see how you react. You were also the only person with a vote on yourself right now so since robbie has two votes already you were the only person I was really able to pressure.

Didn't your mom tell you it's impolite to answer a question with another? Even worse to answer it with three. :smug2:

Pressure isn't enough to vote someone, at least not to me, you need a reason to make that vote, or else you can justify a vote on any unconfirmed Townie, for pressure only, even if that player is likely, but not certainly, Town. You must have a reason to think that I am scum, otherwise pressure alone is a poor argument and your vote look indeed more opportunistic than genuinely being looking for scum.

"What's your case, Romanic?" - Why are you asking this? I've made my case clear in the two days I've voted for you. It hasn't changed, except this new vote you're placing on me, at a moment where it pushes me in the lead, without giving a reason. Again it's opportunistic and scummy.

"If I was scum ..... " - These kind of statement are also scummy. You better have a good reason to tell people why you are not scum when you do this, yet your reason here is "If I was scum, I would do weak cases, push bandwagons". Which proves nothing, and I'm pretty sure you are aware that scum don't always act the same, and try to move away from stereotypes. If you were scum, you would try to act Town. This argument is not genuine, you don't believe this or you wouldn't be voting for me today - since unlike many others, I am making cases that aren't weak, I give details, and I don't bandwagon (well once, on CB). Yet you vote for me and it's good enough to argue that you are Town. Big contradiction here.

[TheLastDays]

I don't like to go out and show my hand openly, no matter if I'm town or Mafia. Why should I let my opponents know what I know at all the time? I sometomes vote people without telling them why I vote them, sometimes I just vote them to pressure them. Also, I'm not putting you in the lead, you're tied with robbiecon if I didn't make a mistake in counting.

As I stated, you haven't been pressured all game and I wanted to change that. I don't see why you have such a problem with that if you are town. You should by now have observed my playstyle to be just that. I won't say everything I think and I will just go ahead and apply pressure where I think it's necessary. Might differ from your playstyle but I won't change it because of that.

[Believer]

I don't like to go out and show my hand openly, no matter if I'm town or Mafia. Why should I let my opponents know what I know at all the time? I sometomes vote people without telling them why I vote them, sometimes I just vote them to pressure them.


I'd rather have a cold-minded criminal holding a gun to my face and yelling at me for my money than a mad man with a knife. One is cold and calculated, knows what he wants and knows the risks of what he's doing. The other knows nothing of the risks and will only do what he feels like for the moment. I'd give my money to the criminal any day, the mad man is just as likely to take my money as he is to kill me and mutilate my corpse. Guess who gets money most of the time?


You should by now have observed my playstyle to be just that. I won't say everything I think and I will just go ahead and apply pressure where I think it's necessary. Might differ from your playstyle but I won't change it because of that.

So your playstyle is scummy, therefore you get a free pass whenever someone calls you on it?


I'd be surprised if you were a cult leader, which is why I don't really want to have you lynched. You're much more likely a recruit from last night. But whatever, I can't even vote anymore.

[Romanic]

I don't like to go out and show my hand openly, no matter if I'm town or Mafia. Why should I let my opponents know what I know at all the time?
Because the other Town players are (or should be) trying to judge if your motivation is genuine or fake. Your goal as a townie in a mafia game is as much to prevent your team from lynching you than finding the scum.

I'm sure you're aware of this, or part of it anyway. Arguing that it's fine to vote someone without saying why, is out of place here. Congratulations for getting back my #1 suspect spot.

unvote; vote: TheLastDays

[TheLastDays]

Because the other Town players are (or should be) trying to judge if your motivation is genuine or fake. Your goal as a townie in a mafia game is as much to prevent your team from lynching you than finding the scum.

I'm sure you're aware of this, or part of it anyway. Arguing that it's fine to vote someone without saying why, is out of place here. Congratulations for getting back my #1 suspect spot.

unvote; vote: TheLastDays

Thanks, it's what I've been working on! :D

Seriously, I think the higher priority for me is to find scum and esp. get scum to make mistakes, because that's how we'll find them. My death doesn't compromise the town's win as much as not finding the scums.

Now there's not enough pressure on robbiecon though
unvote, vote: robbiecon

[Major Robert Dump]

I'm confuse

[Diamondeye]

You quote yourself and you vote for me? :smug2:

Fact: Romanic beats Diamondeye at chess.
Therefore, he must die. :smug:


I'd rather have a cold-minded criminal holding a gun to my face and yelling at me for my money than a mad man with a knife. One is cold and calculated, knows what he wants and knows the risks of what he's doing. The other knows nothing of the risks and will only do what he feels like for the moment. I'd give my money to the criminal any day, the mad man is just as likely to take my money as he is to kill me and mutilate my corpse. Guess who gets money most of the time?

Someone should investigate Beliver. You know, snoop around his house. Maybe check the shed.

:laugh4:


So your playstyle is scummy, therefore you get a free pass whenever someone calls you on it?

That would be unfair!
TLD, where do you apply for these free passes?


I'm confuse

Then, listen to Advice Dog!

Eat paint!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain

Yeah yeah, sue me. Once Mafia X is over then I'll be able to concentrate on this. You try doing daily writeups for basically two months straight (counting The Campground).


Askthepizzaguy rules!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Abstain

Yeah yeah, sue me. Once Mafia X is over then I'll be able to concentrate on this. You try doing daily writeups for basically two months straight (counting The Campground).

That plus I like people to be able to vote is generally why I extend the round to 48 hours at times. Some days I have a really lousy day at work and I'll take any excuse to extend things. You just get your energy sapped after a while. :sweatdrop:

[TheLastDays]

That would be unfair!
TLD, where do you apply for these free passes?


At the reception, they're expensive though...


(counting The Campground).

Don't stir up old wounds :P

[classical_hero]

vote:robbiecon If he is here an not being active in this thread, then why not? It does not look good.

[Diamondeye]

unvote, Vote: Robbiecon

Rather him than TLD.

[Secura]

I should also add that apparently I was kidnapped and force-fed Pizza last night for some reason, although it sounds like whatever was attempted on me failed.

Outwardly, t appears that it's either a roleblock or a recruitment attempt, though the former seems unlikely since it feels a little counter-productive to roleblock an inactive player at this stage (if there even is a roleblocker), which means it was probably a recruitment attempt, the failure of which would suggest one of two things; you're either an uncorruptible townie or you're a cult leader, since we can assume they're immune to the recruitment efforts of their opposing halves.

Asking which you are is obviously an exercise in futility, but I would like to know what it was about the message you received about being force-fed pizza that made you believe that it failed to have an effect; can you shed some light on that?

vote: ArpeggiateTHIS in the meantime.


I'm confuse

How has their argument confused you, exactly? You're clearly keeping an eye on the thread, posting several times each phase, throwing out theories and pressuring people; you're playing the game better than most, so claiming any sort of confusion doesn't quite add up with your on-the-ball behaviour thus far.

[Mr. Stuka]

Back.

[Major Robert Dump]

Secura: I'm confuse at TLDs reasoning for voting Romanic follwed by a vote for Robbiecon. Remind me not to post two word responses anymore, as it makes you accuse me of being on someone's balls, which is very offensive.

[Romanic]

Thanks, it's what I've been working on! :D

Seriously, I think the higher priority for me is to find scum and esp. get scum to make mistakes, because that's how we'll find them. My death doesn't compromise the town's win as much as not finding the scums.

Now there's not enough pressure on robbiecon though
unvote, vote: robbiecon

I may start to be biased toward you in this game, but backing down like this after I treated you with all sorts of scummy accusation is even scummier. Scums like to back down when they feel danger, and I think you were worried that others would follow me, hence the backing down. I also notice that you didn't write anything about my reaction to your pressure being satisfactory to you, no - you're simply removing your accusation on me to target one of the other players who had a vote on them. Plus he's my earlier vote target, making it an even more suspicious action. Feels like you want to remove the danger really.

So you were voting to pressure me - answer me this: How is my reaction to pressure satisfactory to you, and why did robbiecon need more pressure than me, all of a sudden?

[Romanic]

unvote, Vote: Robbiecon

Rather him than TLD.
Why is robbiecon a better lynch than TLD?

What do you think of my case on TLD?

So far this round I've seen you vote twice with the following reasons:

"Vote: Romanic - because he beat me at chess"
"Vote: robbiecon - better him than TLD"

What I'm not seeing is a reason why you're voting for these two players - well, you did give reasons, but they're quite bogus if you ask me. How about developping a little? Unless you feel, like TLD, than giving reasons is not necessary? hmm?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, I think that's enough time. Just got back from work. Let's do a tally...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Gah, missed the deadline by two minutes!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Only 7 out of 13 voting?

Come on, I'm sure we can do better than that.

I get off work at 10-11pm tomorrow. Let's see some voting by then, or I'll check and see if there's anyone worthy of a WOG. :skull:

[Diamondeye]

Why is robbiecon a better lynch than TLD?

What do you think of my case on TLD?

So far this round I've seen you vote twice with the following reasons:

"Vote: Romanic - because he beat me at chess"
"Vote: robbiecon - better him than TLD"

What I'm not seeing is a reason why you're voting for these two players - well, you did give reasons, but they're quite bogus if you ask me. How about developping a little? Unless you feel, like TLD, than giving reasons is not necessary? hmm?

I'll expand more on this tonight when I have more time, but my impression is that TLD has been more active than Robbiecon in the thread, making him a (slightly) less useless townie (if they're innocent). His posts might seem a bit "off" but robbiecon's aren't better, yet Robbiecon seems almost "invisible". I'd feel better about having active players with us into the later stages of the game.

To be honest, I've not read your case on TLD in detail - I'll do so tonight, probably. As for my reasoning; without reveals I'm having a hard time figuring this out. For all I know I could be the only one who's still innocent; I don't mind switching "targets" since hitting scum is probably pretty likely (and I don't really think either TLD or Robbie feels cult-leader-like, but that was who the choice was between as it is now).

[Populus Romanus]

Ah man I forgot to vote. Vote: robbiecon

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Vote: TheLastDays

[Major Robert Dump]

So I take it we have been extended? I still think Robbiecon is the obvious vote.

[TheLastDays]

I may start to be biased toward you in this game, but backing down like this after I treated you with all sorts of scummy accusation is even scummier. Scums like to back down when they feel danger, and I think you were worried that others would follow me, hence the backing down. I also notice that you didn't write anything about my reaction to your pressure being satisfactory to you, no - you're simply removing your accusation on me to target one of the other players who had a vote on them. Plus he's my earlier vote target, making it an even more suspicious action. Feels like you want to remove the danger really.

So you were voting to pressure me - answer me this: How is my reaction to pressure satisfactory to you, and why did robbiecon need more pressure than me, all of a sudden?

The way you reacted to my vote. You did not flinch, you didn't just shrug it off and ignore it, you stuck to your case on me and generally I don't feel you're scum. There, now I told the Mafia who probably isn't good lynchbait and that's exactly the things I'm trying to avoid.

I changed to robbiecon because I think he always needed more pressure than you but he already had two votes on him so I figured I'd pressure you a bit because my vote on him wasn't needed at that point. Now you've changed your vote and were actually in the lead so I changed to robbiecon, because he is active on the board, he doesn't post in here and if he keeps this up and doesn't reply he is, imo, a good lynch.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Outwardly, t appears that it's either a roleblock or a recruitment attempt, though the former seems unlikely since it feels a little counter-productive to roleblock an inactive player at this stage (if there even is a roleblocker), which means it was probably a recruitment attempt, the failure of which would suggest one of two things; you're either an uncorruptible townie or you're a cult leader, since we can assume they're immune to the recruitment efforts of their opposing halves.

Asking which you are is obviously an exercise in futility, but I would like to know what it was about the message you received about being force-fed pizza that made you believe that it failed to have an effect; can you shed some light on that?

vote: ArpeggiateTHIS in the meantime.



I'm not sure how I can elaborate upon what happened without effectively just re-wording the PM, but I'll try and provide further clarification:

I got kidnapped and force fed pizza, and I'm still on the pizza side.

All I can draw from this is that somebody tried to de-convert me from a cult, but I wasn't part of a cult anyway so it had no effect. TL;DR: I'm vanilla, and always was. Make of that what you will.

I'm going to Vote: abstain until I get a better chance to make a case on somebody.

[robbiecon]

I have been unable to post on the site since the update in the site. At the moment I'm posting from my iPod, but my weekday residence has no wireless.

So it's not that I don't want to post, it's just the new site plus chrome = not able to post or PM.

[Major Robert Dump]

But how are you able to run an effective cult without the internetz? Who is your second in command?

[Secura]

No no, it happened to me too. It's something that converts you back to town. The font was in blue, and i looked alll the way back to the rules post, and voila! town's color is blue, and they are the pizza religion. so obviously this is a pro-town role.

I'm glad to know this information, but the general 'rule' is that when you're dead, you don't share information that isn't already public knowledge, which you've done twice now. I'm sure Pizza would have clarified already if it wasn't for his hectic work schedule at the moment.


Remind me not to post two word responses anymore, as it makes you accuse me of being on someone's balls, which is very offensive.

You're just kidding around here, right? It isn't an offensive term (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=on+the+ball)...


Ah man I forgot to vote. Vote: robbiecon

Why is it that every vote you cast is on a bandwagon? Captain Blackadder, GeneralHankerchief (multiple times!), TheLastDays, Believer, now robbiecon... I really think we should lynch PR, guys.

unvote, vote: Populus Romanus


I'm vanilla, and always was. Make of that what you will.

As I said, it was obvious you were going to claim vanilla; however, if you're looking for someone to vote, cast your eye on PR as I have. His voting behaviour amounts to "see bandwagon, vote on bandwagon, ????, profit".


At the moment I'm posting from my iPod

This is becoming a major scumtell at the Org... :P

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Well, in light of me having time to make my own case on somebody, I'm feeling like Vote: Populus Romanous because of the obvious and unforgiving bandwagonning.

[Renata]

vote: robbiecon

I have NO time. If I get some this evening I'll come back and see if this was the right choice.

[Secura]

If I get some this evening I'll come back and see if this was the right choice.

Inactive player vs. persistent bandwagoner... the choice is pretty obvious.

[Populus Romanus]

Several of those were not bandwagons. I voted for Captain Blackadder on Day 1, when there was a bandwagon on ATPG (?), GeneralHankerchief on Day 2 when the bandwagon was on CB, and I see nothing wrong with voting for the same person consecutive rounds.

[robbiecon]

vote: Populus Romanus

Chrome continues to not allow me to post. I am currently in IE, which has become horribly :daisy: over the past while, and which runs like a drunken slug on gasoline on this computer.

If the problems with posting continues, I may have to take a hiatus from the site, until such time as things are fixed. ( I am unable to click on the text box, on any of my computers that I use)

[Populus Romanus]

Robbiecon, there is a topic in the Watchtower with users who are having similar problems with Chrome. The staff there can probably help you fix your problems.

[Secura]

Several of those were not bandwagons.

Really? Okay, I'll bite, let's have a look at your votes in full.


OMGUS

vote: Captain Blackadder

Granted, this is not a bandwagon vote, but an OMGUS vote is scummy even on Day One.


vote: Captain Blackadder resistance is futile

You're sixth on the bandwagon here, obviously buying into GH's claim that Blackadder needs lynching, which is fair enough given how adamant he was. Still, no attempt is made to seek out an alternative.


vote: GeneralHankerchief
I do not see what information he could possibly have.

To be fair, this isn't a bandwagon vote (you're only the second voter), but it does raise a question or two since you basically contradicted yourself entirely; having been satisfied with GH's call for Blackadder's head and voted alongside him, you then change your tune and vote for GH himself without any proper reasoning. Why the sudden change in direction?


vote: General Hankerchief

And here, you're not even providing an explanation at all, following Diamondeye, TheLastDays and Believer to be the fourth person on the GH wagon. Scum often get lazy when they're late voters on a bandwagon, opting out of explaining their vote when it's already been done by others.


Believer, you had PM conversation with TheLastDays?

vote: TheLast Days

Third on the wagon, no real reasoning provided, went for the person under the most pressure.


So he was lying about the PMs? Then I shall put another nail in his coffin. unvote; vote: believer

Fifth on the wagon, here; having voted for TLD despite the 'claim' from MRD, you immediately switch over to Belever as soon as the opportunity arises. Another easy bandwagon falls right into your lap and you jump on it without a second thought... am I hitting the nail on the head yet?


Ah man I forgot to vote. Vote: robbiecon

Again, you're the fifth party on the bandwagon and you fail to provide a reason for jumping onboard; how come you've thrown your 'convictions' about GeneralHankerchief out of the window and voted for robbiecon? You claim that there's nothing wrong with voting for someone over consecutive rounds, which is true, but you don't follow up with this by pursuing your suspect, instead going with the likeliest lynch as you have done across the course of the game.

I think the reasoning behind your actions are pretty obvious and I don't understand why people still want to vote for a largely inactive player over you.

[Diamondeye]

Does anyone have a tally? How close are Robbie and Populus, and how much time remains of the round?

[Secura]

How close are Robbie and Populus?

Why does it matter? Populus is by far the better vote, and if this were any ordinary game you'd be voting PR for his bandwagon behaviour and you know it.

[Diamondeye]

Why does it matter? Populus is by far the better vote, and if this were any ordinary game you'd be voting PR for his bandwagon behaviour and you know it.

I was just wondering if it would make a difference or just make it more equal thus giving the cults a better sway over the vote. But I'm in the middle of something so I can't really check. I'll unvote; Vote: Populus and hope it's not a stupid thing to do.

[Secura]

I was just wondering if it would make a difference or just make it more equal thus giving the cults a better sway over the vote.

I think robbiecon has about five or six votes, Populus has three or four; thanks for the faith, though. :bow:

[Renata]

Robbiecon not being able to post doesn't mean he's not a cult leader (or member); it only means the rest of us won't be able to tell either way. When he had a chance to say something today he didn't, only voted in self-preservation.

I do like the bandwagoning case against PR (minus the day one OMGUS bit), so I'm willing to even out the pressure on the pair of them a bit more and see what happens.

unvote, vote: Populus Romanus

[Populus Romanus]

To be fair, this isn't a bandwagon vote (you're only the second voter), but it does raise a question or two since you basically contradicted yourself entirely; having been satisfied with GH's call for Blackadder's head and voted alongside him, you then change your tune and vote for GH himself without any proper reasoning. Why the sudden change in direction?After I had thought about it more, I came to doubt what Captain Blackadder could have done that GeneralHankerchief could know about. So I voted for GH because I believed that he was making it up.
And here, you're not even providing an explanation at all, following Diamondeye, TheLastDays and Believer to be the fourth person on the GH wagon. Scum often get lazy when they're late voters on a bandwagon, opting out of explaining their vote when it's already been done by others.It was obvious why I would vote for GH, I had explained it in my post from the previous day and then the people who voted before me also gave the same reasons I had, so there wasn't any need for me to restate myself.
Fifth on the wagon, here; having voted for TLD despite the 'claim' from MRD, you immediately switch over to Belever as soon as the opportunity arises. Another easy bandwagon falls right into your lap and you jump on it without a second thought... am I hitting the nail on the head yet?I switched my vote after TheLastDays denied having a PM conversation with Believer. That meant Believer was lying, so I switched my vote to him. Also, if I had wanted to jump on the Believer bandwagon, why would I have voted for TheLastDays first instead of immediately voting for Believer.
how come you've thrown your 'convictions' about GeneralHankerchief out of the window and voted for robbiecon? You claim that there's nothing wrong with voting for someone over consecutive rounds, which is true, but you don't follow up with this by pursuing your suspect, instead going with the likeliest lynch as you have done across the course of the game.I changed my mind about GeneralHankerchief after I went back and reread the game rules and noticed the part about "other game roles", which were not explained, and also the part about incorruptible townies. After that I decided that GH was probably a detective-type role.

[Believer]

.I switched my vote after TheLastDays denied having a PM conversation with Believer. That meant Believer was lying, so I switched my vote to him.
As I said, I never said I had PM'ed or IM'ed TLD. Nothing of this has ever come from me.

You interpret things wierdly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, that's plenty of time. Let's see if we have a few more voters this time.

Tally tally tally....

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Diamondeye

Intuition.

-edit- argh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GH IS AWESOME. HE IS SUPERIOR TO ME IN EVERY WAY.

[Romanic]

I think the tally is:

5 Populus Romanus (Secura, Arpeg, robbiecon, DE, Renata)
4 robbiecon (MRD, TLD, CH, Populus)
2 TLD (Romanic, Ibn)
---
2 no vote (GH*, Seon)

*abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be nice and leave my post exactly as you edited it, GH.

Now, let's shake hands and call it even?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Agreed, detente. No further changes. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed, detente. No further changes. :laugh4:

I can agree to that now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY FIVE




The peasants began accusing one another, but were annoyed by the constant chanting of one of their own.


Major Dumps: "I think it is robbiecon!"

Secura: "No, it is Populus Romanus!"

Populus Romanus: "I think it is robbiecon!"

General Hanky: "Askthepizzaguy rules!"

Back and forth they went. They even got more time to accuse one another.


classical_hero: "I think it is robbiecon!"

ArpeggiateTHIS: "No, it is Populus Romanus!"

TheLastDays: "I think it is robbiecon!"

General Hanky: "Askthepizzaguy rules!"


And on and on it went, but, soon, Populus Romanus got more votes than the others. Finally, General Hanky decided to vote, but he was too late, and all he could say was


General Hanky: "Askthepizzaguy rules!"


And so, General Hanky was deemed unfit for command, and was demoted. The peasants grew concerned that the mighty KorporalKleenex had been overpowered by the almighty Pizza, and was now operating under his direct control. And so, Pizza stared at the kerchief'd one until he began walking mindlessly towards Populus Romanus. The one known as Populus looked slightly nervous, but did not back down, as the Korporal did not appear to be wielding any weapons.


This proved to be a mistake, because the Korporal reached into his coat pocket and pulled out the most soiled hankerchief anyone had ever seen before, and quickly jammed it down the throat of Populus Romanus.



Soon, the poor lad turned a deep shade of blue, and expired.



Askthepizzaguy nodded at the Korporal, releasing him from his grip, and sent everyone off to bed for the night. Hopefully now, there would be no more heretic activity. But only time would tell.





Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
Diamondeye
GeneralHankerchief a.k.a. KorporalKleenex
Ibn-Khaldun
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:




You have 24 hours!





NIGHT FIVE

[Populus Romanus]

I knew I should have tipped the pizza delivery guy.:skull:

[Diamondeye]

I knew I should have tipped the pizza delivery guy.:skull:

Insight in hindsight, always the easiest :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT FIVE




The peasants woke up early, and lined up, waiting for their instructions. Eventually, Pizza went out to join them.


Askthepizzaguy: "My superiors tell me there are still heretics present. I wish they'd tell me who they are. Get to work!"


What a boring writeup.





Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
Diamondeye
GeneralHankerchief
Ibn-Khaldun
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:




You have 24 hours to post and vote.





DAY SIX

[TheLastDays]

vote: Robbiecon

Is your internet working again? I'd like you to talk.

[robbiecon]

My internet is working, but Chrome remains out of action for the site.

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Robbie. I'm in the clan of Firefox Worshippers, and you're our next target!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Diamondeye

Enjoy your bloated, clunky, master.

[robbiecon]

Vote: Diamondeye, I'm hip with it!

[Seon]

Vote: GeneralHankerchief.

You need that hankerchief to clean yourself up from that pizza that you spelt all over yourself, no?

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: General Handkerchief

Unanswered questions from the start of the game are still unanswered

[Seon]

err yeah, I gotta fix my vote XD

Vote: GeneralHankercheif

[Romanic]

I guess it would be pointless to accuse TLD again, it seens this guy is protected by the force, even though I've made good cases on him for the last three days.

vote: Diamondeye

For this reason,


I'll expand more on this tonight when I have more time, but my impression is that TLD has been more active than Robbiecon in the thread, making him a (slightly) less useless townie (if they're innocent). His posts might seem a bit "off" but robbiecon's aren't better, yet Robbiecon seems almost "invisible". I'd feel better about having active players with us into the later stages of the game.

To be honest, I've not read your case on TLD in detail - I'll do so tonight, probably. As for my reasoning; without reveals I'm having a hard time figuring this out. For all I know I could be the only one who's still innocent; I don't mind switching "targets" since hitting scum is probably pretty likely (and I don't really think either TLD or Robbie feels cult-leader-like, but that was who the choice was between as it is now).

For saying that he will look at my case, and failing to do so. Even if he used the word "probably", I consider this a broken promise, typically scummy, and it also looks like Diamondeye is not interested to figure this game, at least from a Town point of view.

[classical_hero]

vote:GeneralHankerchief He has set the agenda without saying why and it would help if he say something as to why.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I neglected to end this round on time, and ending it now arbitrarily isn't fair;

I see folks are still voting, so why not make it a full 24 hour extension. I'll end the round when I come back from work.

Thanks guys.

[Secura]

Vote: GeneralHankerchief.

You need that hankerchief to clean yourself up from that pizza that you spelt all over yourself, no?

So, your third post in the entire thread is an unexplained vote, handwaved by a 'joke', against an easy target? And wouldn't you know it, so very close to the WoG too!

I was willing to overlook your nonsensical, scummy Renata vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136251-It-s-a-surprise-mafia-In-Play&p=2053338297#post2053338297) because I'd hoped that it was simply a one-off and that you'd get into the groove properly afterwards, but you've had plenty of time to catch up (almost a week!) and yet you still throw out this trash? I'd ask what the real reason for your vote was, only you probably don't know.

People have been willing to vote for robbiecon for inactivity/lurking/whatever, but he hasn't said anything half as scummy as you have in these two posts; while I agree that there's some merit in the other lynch candidates, I think you're a far better choice than any of the current crop.

vote: Seon

[Major Robert Dump]

TLD is protected? What about GH?

unvote; vote: Robbiecon

[Diamondeye]

Romanic, Romanic, Romanic...

To be honest, I'm not used to working as much as I am at the moment (everyone else's got holidays!), coupled with all sorts of duties (oh hey your grandma turns one million, go waste a sunday! That should be a Monopoly event!), spending most of my spare time last week to restore our house after 5,000 gallons of water decided to flood the basement. Plus I'm in a lot of other (some non-mafia) games, at CFC too.

Yep, that might be the scummiest reply I've ever written. Now, I can't post from my phone, but I can unvote, vote: GH. :curtain:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay that's enough time. let's see who dies!


DE: GH, robbie, Romanic
GH: Seon, c_h, DE
robbie: TLD, MRD
Seon: Secura,

Hmmm... looks like a tie. :stare:

We shall resolve this tie the only honorable way. A duel to the death!!!

[Romanic]

Romanic, Romanic, Romanic...

To be honest, I'm not used to working as much as I am at the moment (everyone else's got holidays!), coupled with all sorts of duties (oh hey your grandma turns one million, go waste a sunday! That should be a Monopoly event!), spending most of my spare time last week to restore our house after 5,000 gallons of water decided to flood the basement. Plus I'm in a lot of other (some non-mafia) games, at CFC too.

Yep, that might be the scummiest reply I've ever written. Now, I can't post from my phone, but I can unvote, vote: GH. :curtain:
A real life excuse to cover the fact that you are not looking for scums? :laugh4:

Not acceptable!

It's too easy, even if you had a limited time, you still could make a better effort than what I am seeing in this thread.

And why are you moving your vote from robbiecon to GH? It looks like you miscounted the tally and you thought that it would save your hide, hah! Guess what, it won't save you. You're still tied at 3 but with GH instead of robbiecon. Tie breaker's coming, I hope you lose. :grin:

[Renata]

I thought you said 24 hour extension. Apparently that was 12 additional hours on top of the first 12 hours I didnt' notice. :wallbash:

[Diamondeye]

A real life excuse to cover the fact that you are not looking for scums? :laugh4:

Not acceptable!

It's too easy, even if you had a limited time, you still could make a better effort than what I am seeing in this thread.

And why are you moving your vote from robbiecon to GH? It looks like you miscounted the tally and you thought that it would save your hide, hah! Guess what, it won't save you. You're still tied at 3 but with GH instead of robbiecon. Tie breaker's coming, I hope you lose. :grin:

Maybe getting rid of GH is more important than my survival, Romanic.

[Romanic]

Maybe getting rid of GH is more important than my survival, Romanic.

Maybe!? If you have information, feel free to share it, and I believe you are implying private information here. Empty your bag while you're still alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY SIX




General Hanky: "Diamondeye! Diamondeye! I challenge you, Diamondeye! You and I, in a battle of strength, wits, and chutzpah!"


Diamondeye: "We meet again Korporal Kleenex, for the first time, for the last time. And I see your chutzpah is as big as mine."


General Hanky: "I do not think so, Diamondeye, for I am about to demonstrate that my chutzpah is like the mighty redwood, and your chutzpah is like a piece of wet string."


Diamondeye: "How so, o lord of the nasal accoutrements? Please tell me, I am dying to know."


General Hanky: "Indeed, you are dying to know. I will tell you why my chutzpah reigns supreme: For I am going to tell you all my moves in advance. All you have to do is the opposite of what I say. Does that not sound like a challenge easy enough for even you?"


Diamondeye: "You don't have the grapes. And when you flinch, it will be the last time you ever use a handkerchief. Yes, that's right, I said HANDKERCHIEF. You've been spelling it wrong this entire time, you insane fool!"


General Hanky: "Insane.... like a fox!"


Diamondeye: "Insane.... like the guy on the bus who stands around naked and talks to himself. You need therapy."


General Hanky: "Insane.... like a..... another animal that is also clever like a fox. Like a squirrel that knows how to ski!"




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Diamondeye: "Insane.... like a guy with bodies in his freezer."


General Hanky: "Insane like your mom."



A hush fell over the crowd.



Diamondeye: "Oh yeah? Well..... insane like.... your dad."



Another hush fell over the crowd. This time it was more hushy. This time they really meant it.



General Hanky: "Insane like your mom AND your dad."


Askthepizzaguy: "Oh no he di-int!"


Diamondeye: "That's enough! Prepare to die, Sergeant Snotrag!"


General Hanky: "I shall first cut you to pieces with a blade made out of paper. Then, I shall bash your head in, with a club made out of rock. Then, I will cut you to pieces again, with the same blade made out of paper!"


Diamondeye: "Don't think you can outwit me with your feeble Wine In Front Of Me tactics! Watch as I don my legendary battle goggles!"



And so the battle began. GeneralHanky drew a paper sword and charged Diamondeye, who also grabbed a paper sword and held it high above his head. The two titans clashed, and their laughably useless weapons simply flapped against each other. Neither was the victor.




General Hanky: "Prepare yourself, for I shall bash your head in with a club made out of rock, as I said, and then finish you with my paper blade of doom!"


Diamondeye: "Not if I finish you off first!"


And so Diamondeye grabbed his stone club, and swung it mightily at GeneralHanky's head. The sound of stone shattering stone echoed through the sky. It seems GeneralHanky produced a matching stone club, and indeed, intended to break Diamondeye's body with it. Instead, the two stone clubs broke apart, and were rendered useless.



General Hanky: "Remember.... this is your last chance.... I am going to attack you with my PAPER SWORD. Paper sword, right to the eye!"


Diamondeye: "Whatever. Die, you fool!"



And then Diamondeye grabbed..... ANOTHER stone club! What he was doing with two stone clubs, I'll never know. But there it was. And he raised it high above his head, preparing to beat some sense into the crazy General.



Diamondeye: "Where is your stupid useless paper sword now?"



And so, General Hanky pulled it out, and stabbed Diamondeye right in the eye.



General Hanky: "Right where I said it would be."


Diamondeye: "MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!"


General Hanky: "You probably should have been wearing them over your eyes instead of your forehead."


Diamondeye: "True, true.... but you have the benefit of hindsight! How was I supposed to know that I'd need to wear my goggles properly to have positive eye protection?"


General Hanky: "So..... is it like, painful and stuff?"


Diamondeye: "Really, really painful."


General Hanky: "Maybe you should react to the pain now."



And so Diamondeye screamed and clutched his eyes, forgetting all about the stone club he had been wielding high above his head. Predictably, it dropped squarely on his cranium, shattering his skull, and covering the pavement with his brains.


GeneralHanky then spread a hankerchief across Diamondeye's lifeless face, and poured himself a glass of wine to celebrate his victory.



Askthepizzaguy: "Oh yes he di-id!"



Suddenly, Ibn-Khaldun showed up, dressed as a rappin' surfer from gangsta city.



Ibn-Khaldun: "I have to go now. My planet needs me."




https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/tumblr_le6ce3JHMl1qzzxaqo1_500.jpg


NOTE: POOCHIE DIED ON THE WAY BACK TO HIS HOME PLANET

BY THE WAY, HIS NAME WAS POOCHIE




Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:

Diamondeye- He was a paper tiger. :7scubadiver:

Ibn-Khaldun- Had other commitments and asked to leave the game. :book:




Orders, please!



NIGHT SIX

[Diamondeye]

Y'all haters, at least I had the rocks to throw my first choice right at your WiFoM. Oh well, mighty General Hankie, I yield (is that a bit too late?)!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your brains have yielded to the gritty gravely ground. Your rocks have joined the shattered shards that were once your hard club.

You are bleeding, and demised. You're bleedin' demised.

[Diamondeye]

At least I was fortunate enough to lose to a man who had the ability to fashion two paper swords in the blink of an eye. Not many men can do that (without cutting off their hands).

[Askthepizzaguy]

It was the same sword.

I'm still confused where you were hiding that second club, though. I'm not sure I want to know.

[Diamondeye]

It was the same sword.

I'm still confused where you were hiding that second club, though. I'm not sure I want to know.

I just had it stowed away all the way up my nose.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you need some sort of tissue or towel to wipe your nose? I think there's someone here who can assist you with that.

[Diamondeye]

Do you need some sort of tissue or towel to wipe your nose? I think there's someone here who can assist you with that.

Ah, yes. Secura, help me out here.

:curtain:

[Romanic]

:laugh4:

I think someone is in danger of having his posts edited again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm very sure I came out on the winning end of that exchange.

[Diamondeye]

I'm very sure I came out on the winning end of that exchange.

Were we competing? I was just having fun.

That said, that last post was pure genius.

[GeneralHankerchief]

:smoking:

[Askthepizzaguy]

They made me close, then asked me to come in early tomorrow.

And I have two writeups due. Apologies but I'm doing the other one tonight and working on this one tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT SIX




Professor Askvaard showed up, looking dazed and disoriented, and very tired.


Professor Askvaard: "What the heck? This doesn't look like my dinner party at all...."


As soon as Askvaard left, the magistrate Askthepizzaguy showed up.


Askthepizzaguy: "Sorry everyone. They made me work even earlier (2 hours) than my already earlier than usual schedule, as they needed help, then made me stay an additional hour and a half. So that's what I've been doing all night. How about you? Good? Okay. Well no one died at night as usual. This is a very good thing. But, my spy network tells me that there are, indeed, still heretics among you. Please bring me their leaders!"




Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:

Diamondeye- He was a paper tiger. :7scubadiver:

Ibn-Khaldun- Had other commitments and asked to leave the game. :book:




Votes please! Results going out momentarily.



DAY SEVEN

[GeneralHankerchief]

Who else voted for me? They need to die.

Hmm...

Vote: Seon

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: Romanic

[Romanic]

Vote: Romanic

Wow, beautiful case, well written, well thought, wonderful.

Only, your 3rd argument is a little scummy, worthy of my vote.

vote: Major Robert Dump

[TheLastDays]

Lots of inactivity here... But I'll go with vote: Seon for now

[classical_hero]

I still don't like the vibe he is sending, so I shall vote:GeneralHandkerchief

[Secura]

vote: Seon

Same reasons as yesterday (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136251-It-s-a-surprise-mafia-In-Play&p=2053342451&viewfull=1#post2053342451).

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow, beautiful case, well written, well thought, wonderful.

Only, your 3rd argument is a little scummy, worthy of my vote.

vote: Major Robert Dump

Thats what's funny about me voting for a cult leader. It doesn't matter what argument I make, you are just going to curtsie, throw your heel up and say "Golly who me????"

So I just won't make one.

How is the Sausage Cult dong these days? I certainly hope you are less of an arse than the leader of the Pepperoni cult, that guy has some bi-polarity issues he needs to sort out. Don't worry, though, I'm gonna expose him the next round as well, we will do one cult at a time, one leader at a time, until both leaders are dead for each cult. The Pepperoni cult sucks, and watching the leadership try to take charge in there is like watching two retards play naked twister.

I'd like to point out to our super-secret townie network that this is your que to recruit me back to town, before the murders start happening. This cult sucks, I want my money back

[Seon]

I must obey the will of my cult boss.

Vote: Romanic/

[TheLastDays]

Wait, why did Romanic back óff of me suddenly? Because it didn't look like he could get me lynched. And the farther that goes the worse it looks for scum so he backed off. If he was town, why should he stop pressuring me, if he really thinks, I'm guilty?

unvote, vote: Romanic

[Romanic]

What? Mutiny against the Town?

unvote, vote: Seon

[Seon]

What? Mutiny against the Town?

unvote, vote: Seon

Oh, if you put it that way.

Unvote, Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS

[Major Robert Dump]

What? Mutiny against the Town?

unvote, vote: Seon

Town? Ha!

No, muntiny against the less flavorful pizza topping. You're about a subtle as a fat guy in a bananna hammock.

I wonder how the townie network feels to know that you have been using them to further the cause of your pork based topping for infidels? At least the Pepperoni leader stays in the shadows and doesn't post, like a proper cult leader, because he is too busy tutoring our young female recruits and making the rest miserable with his flip flopping comments in our QT.

So now the cult leaders have a choice: execute their mutinous members or the other cult leaders. The town is on track to win

[Askthepizzaguy]

GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON

TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC

Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF

Seon ARPEGGIATETHIS

ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Renata NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE


You have until midnight tonight to place your votes. I realize at the end of the previous round I didn't say when it would end.

[Major Robert Dump]

After we take down the Snausage Cult and the Pooperoni Cult I propose a new cult: The Veggie Deluxe Cult.

Or, better yet, we take the survivors from the two cults, subjugate them and make them breed, and with their children we will create the Meat Lovers Cult. This is going to get real sick, real quick.

[Major Robert Dump]

For those of you in the cheap seats, let me enlighten you:

This game has a lynch vote bus driver.

This is the third -- count it third, as in 3 -- time that a person has changed their vote in a manner that specifically resulted in their being lynched. I haven't been in a whole lot of games, so I don't know if there have been vote bus drivers before, but it is increasigly obvious in this game, considering the timing of the vote and the persons general lack of explanation after the fact.

So if I could implore to the Super High Speed Townie Frat Boy Network to maybe take a step back, look around, and realize that one or more of your townie confidants are giving you bad advice, well that would be great. Because it would be really nice if you stopped bus driving votes to kill scum and killing townies instead. DE was a townie who got recruited. Stuka was a townie. Seon is a townie who got recruited.

[Diamondeye]

Just lynch Romanic and end it all you guys...

[Renata]

Vote count?

[Major Robert Dump]

post 372

GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON

TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC

Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF

Seon ARPEGGIATETHIS

ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Renata NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE

[Renata]

Well I suppose I have to vote for Romanic.

vote: Romanic

*sniff*

[Romanic]

Well I suppose I have to vote for Romanic.

vote: Romanic

*sniff*

WHY???? Renata, don't do this! :bigcry:

[Diamondeye]

WHY???? Renata, don't do this! :bigcry:

:laugh4:

[Romanic]

Renata, I'll even sing for you, if you consider not lynching poor me! :beam:


http://youtu.be/S2oFESUMWhU

:guitarist: ♫♫♪ ♫♪♪♫♫ :drummer: ♫♫♫ ♪♪♪ ♫♪♫


What I feel, ♪
I can't say ♪
But my love is there for you anytime of day ♫ :smitten:
But if it's not love ♪
that you need ♪
Then I'll try my best to make everything succeed ♫ :yes:


Tell me, what is my life without your love ♫
Tell me, who am I without you, ♫
by my side ♪ :drummer:


What I know, I can do ♪
If I give my love now to everyone like you ♫ :grin3:
But if it's not love ♪
that you need ♪
Then I'll try my best to make ev'rything succeed ♫ :yes:


Tell me, what is my life without your love ♫ :drummer:
Tell me, who am I without you, ♫
by my side ♪ :cheerleader:


Tell me, what is my life without your love ♫ :dancinglock:
Tell me, who am I without you, ♫
by my side ♪


:guitarist: ♫♫♪♫ ♪ ♪ :drummer: ♫♫♪♫ ♪♪♫♫


What I feel, ♪
I can't say ♪
But my love is there for you any time of day ♫ :love:
But if it's not love ♪
that you need ♪
Then I'll try my best to make everything succeed ♫ :yes:


Tell me, what is my life without your love ♫ :guitarist:
Tell me, who am I without you, ♫
by my side ♪ :cheerleader:


Ooohhh ♪ tell me, what is my life without your love ♫ :drummer:
Tell me, who am I without you, ♫
by my side ♪ :crowngrin: ♫♪


What is my life without your love ♪ :cheerleader:
Tell me, who am I without you, by my side ♫ :drummer:



I hope you like George Harrison. :laugh4: :sweatdrop:

[Seon]

Hey guyz!

Unvote, Vote: Romanic.

I hate pizza, by the way. I love it now, but it has got to be a fluke...something that will pass...

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY SEVEN



And so the day dragged on. The clouds darkened the sky and it started to rain. Eventually, the peasants decided that either Seon or Romanic should perish. Before sunset, the Magistrate ordered everyone into his office at the center of town, in the tall tower, to escape from the rain. There they would decide the fate of those accused.




Askthepizzaguy: "Looks like another tie. Oh goody, another duel!"


Seon: "Nope... I've decided, strangely, that I want to live. Ties are for chumps! Vote: Romanic."


Askthepizzaguy: "Curses. Well, Romanic, what do you have to say for yourself?"


Romanic: "But I don't want to die. I'd rather...."


Askthepizzaguy: "Rather what?"


Romanic: "I'd rather.... just.... sing!!!"


Askthepizzaguy: "Stop that, stop that. You're not going into a song while I'm here. Now listen. You're marrying Princess Lucky, so you'd better get used to the idea."


Romanic: "But I don't like her."


Askthepizzaguy: "Don't like her? She's beautiful, she's rich, she's got huge.... tracts of land!"


Romanic: "But I don't want land."


Askthepizzaguy: "Listen, mate. We live on the Crusty Plains. It's boring and useless for anything but wheat farming. We need all the land we can get!"


Romanic: "But I want the girl I marry to have a certain.... special.... somethin'!" *starts singing*


Askthepizzaguy: "Stop that, stop that! Uh, whoops, it seems I've knocked you out of the window. Well that settles that. The untimely death of Romanic is very sad, but at least we still have Seon with us."


Romanic: "I'm still here!"


Askthepizzaguy: "What? You fell out of the highest window in town, you creep! How did you survive?"


Romanic: "Well, I'll tell you...."


Crowd: "He's going to tell, he's going to tell ♫♫♫ ♪♪♪ ♫♪♫
He's going to tell, he's going to tell ♫♫♫ ♪♪♪ ♫♪♫"


Suddenly, the crowd began setting up a microphone stand, subwoofers, and band started forming behind Romanic. He was going to sing.


Askthepizzaguy: "No, stop that! Stop it, everyone! No singing! I'm the magistrate of this town! I will have order! I will have order!"


Crowd: "He's going to tell, he's going to tell ♫♫♫ ♪♪♪ ♫♪♫
He's going to tell, he's going to tell ♫♫♫ ♪♪♪ ♫♪♫"


And so, Askthepizzaguy ran up to the sound system and turned the volume up all the way, and pointed one of the woofers at Romanic, and pushed his fingers into his ears.


Romanic: "I...."




*KABOOM*



The blast caused the sound system to explode, and Romanic was blasted out of the window once more, falling to his death. This time, there was no one there to save him, not even George Harrison.




Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:

Diamondeye- He was a paper tiger. :7scubadiver:

Ibn-Khaldun- Had other commitments and asked to leave the game. :book:

Romanic- Has joined the choir invisible. :angel:








GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON

TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC
Renata ROMANIC
Seon ROMANIC

Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF

ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE


NIGHT SEVEN

[Major Robert Dump]

Okay, so maybe there is no such thing as a vote bus driver. But I would never put something like that past the host

[Renata]

Apologies in a sense to Romanic -- I was still considering your lovely offer, but a thunderstorm kept me offline last night and made the issue a moot point.

I liked the song. :love:

[Romanic]

Damn, I should have gone with the Backstreet Boys. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Damn, I should have gone with the Backstreet Boys. :laugh4:

New rule: Backstreet Boys are an automatic WOG. :stare:

[GeneralHankerchief]

New rule: Backstreet Boys are an automatic WOG. :stare:

And it also warrants discussion of a temp-ban from the Gameroom to boot. I get enough of that :daisy: from my roommate during the school year. :smg:

[Major Robert Dump]

Obviously, you guys have poor taste in music.

You fear what you don't understand, and it's clear to me The BackStreet Boys are way over your heads.

[classical_hero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtlK7sn0JQ

[Diamondeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtlK7sn0JQ

Diamondeye likes this.
Like - Comment - Ignore

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night is lagging and it's my fault. Will post before work. Apologies for the delay.

[Askthepizzaguy]

NIGHT SEVEN




The next morning, they found the remains of Secura. Her mouth was full of Pepperoni. There were slices of pepperoni stuffed into her nose and ears. She was bloated with pepperoni and it oozed out of every orifice. She was not a happy camper. In fact, she was little more than dead meat. Dead, spicy meat.


However, they also found TheLastDays not too far away. And it seemed that his body had been pushed halfway through a meat grinder.... and his remains were being turned into sausage. He was not a happy camper. In fact, he was little more than dead, spicy meat.



Askthepizzaguy: "Now witness the true horror of the heretic's ways. The great Pizza brings ingredients together.... but these villains who obsess over a certain kind of ingredient at the expense of all the others are vile, murderous, intolerant, militant supremacists. Repent now if you are part of these cults. Repent, or die!"


They pondered his words, and soon, each remaining member of the sausage cult had renounced their heretic ways.


But it was not over.... their nightmare had only just begun.



Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:

Diamondeye- He was a paper tiger. :7scubadiver:

Ibn-Khaldun- Had other commitments and asked to leave the game. :book:

Romanic- Has joined the choir invisible.... with sausage. :angel:

Secura- She made this game less of a sausage-fest.... and yet, made it even more of a sausage-fest. :chef:

TheLastDays- These were his last days. :skull:







DAY EIGHT

[robbiecon]

Vote: classical_hero, most of the others are, in my eyes absolved of all sins, and my eyes, and more importantly hands know what they're dealing with.

[Major Robert Dump]

As promised, I sold out a Sausage member last round, and this round I shall vote for a Pepperoni. According to what was discussed in the Pepperoni QT, Arpegg was the last sausage recruit (and the last recruit altogether) and now he is back to being townie.

The Pepperonis did not recruit last round, they re-recruited someone already in the clan as damage control in case that person was stolen, because most of their recruits had either been pulled away to Sausage or back to town (or lynched). This means Arpegg is definitely a vanilla townie, and he was the sole member to survive from the clan and go back to being a townie. The Last Days was a double agent who kept getting pulled back and forth between the clans through recruiting. I do not know why he was killed other than the Sausages obviously thought he was a Pepperoni leader. He may have been, I don't know, although the obituary does not say like it does for the others. Secura was clearly killed by the Pepperoni leadership since she was a sausage.

My strongest suspect is currently Classical Hero, based on exchanges with the "leadership" in the QT. I am essentially committing mutiny and requesting to be recruited back to a townie. The 2nd in command may have already been lynched (DE?), and may have been sold out to the Sausages by The Last Days. With C_H gone, the town should win after the lynch. If there is a 2nd Pepperoni leader, there may be another murder on the night phase and at that point we are cutting it way too close.

[classical_hero]

This has to come out in the open. Someone seems to have made a secret second account just so send me this message.

Firstly, you must not reveal your knowledge of this message to anyone, it's for your eyes only.

You've received this message because in-thread behavior suggests that you are a possible cult leader and I am approaching both cults here out of fairness and a sense of honor.

You have both been heavily compromised. TheLastDays is an unrecruitable townie that has been given access to both of your group's QuickTopics over the course of the game. Trust me when I say, he knows who all the leaders are and will be outing you day-by-day, if MRD doesn't beat him to it with the Pepperoni.

This is a recruitment game, and I want to win as a cultist, not a townie. I suggest that you both decide to remove TLD and possibly MRD as soon as you can kill. Feel free to ask questions, I'll answer as best I can while staying anonymous.

Again: keep this to yourself, you cannot trust anyone in your cult.
Since this was done in secret to me I have no idea who exactly is this player, so you can look for the name to know that I am not :daisy:ing you.

Right now I don't have a good clue about is cult or not. But I have had a hunch about vote:GeneralHandkerchief for awhile.

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: Classical Hero

[Major Robert Dump]

After the above post by C_H, unvote

[Major Robert Dump]

The author of that message says "your cult." What cult were you a part of and how did you get back to being a townie, or are you still a pepperoni?

[classical_hero]

I have never been cult so I have always been townie.

I might as well put a big target no back now, since the other remaining cultist, most likely the source of the PM will not try and kill me as a result of me saying that.

[Unrequited]

My message worked, even if the method was dishonorable.

[Secura]

I do not know why he was killed other than the Sausages obviously thought he was a Pepperoni leader.

I will explain the reasoning behind the kill once the game ends, but there's a reason why I didn't choose our main suspect.


If there is a 2nd Pepperoni leader, there may be another murder on the night phase and at that point we are cutting it way too close.

The question is, why would the other cult even bother killing now? They can continue a cycle of lynching one of the town, recruiting the other until everyone is Pepperoni; if the game continued, that would indicate an unrecruitable townie still lives and that would necessitate a kill. Otherwise, it's plain sailing.

I have to say that I think that a town victory is the best course of action now (and I want you to win), if only for the fact that the Pepperoni Cult Leader is very, very undeserving of victory, for reasons I'll touch on at the end of the game.

My opinion may count for little as a dead cultist, but we strongly believed that classical_hero was the leader; I encourage both the former Sausages and the current Pepperonis to vote for him and win the game for yourselves rather than his cult.


I have never been cult so I have always been townie.

This is a lie; the rules state (as MRD has reiterated) that kills will only begin once everyone that can be recruited has been at least once. Obviously you realised this mistake and edited your post to make yourself look more genuine, since there's no stronger claim than that of an unrecruitable townie, right? :P


My message worked, even if the method was dishonorable.

I liked your style, though the reasons that TLD was killed were not based on your message, s'about all I can say. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the vote count?

If everyone has voted an hour from now, or let's be fair, 6 people have voted and it's not a tie, then the round is over.

My call is if 5 or less have voted, I'll give an extension. I'm off to work rather shortly so I won't be here for the 24-hour mark deadline.

Either decide or use the above to get an extension.

[Major Robert Dump]

Back to square one

Vote: Classical Hero

[Renata]

Sorry, MRD. You were right to be paranoid. I'm the town recruiter, and I'm pretty sure we have the numbers on you. More importantly, we definitely have your identity, and you're the last of the original cult leaders. The sausage cult is dead. The pepperoni cult was you and TheLastDays. You sacrificed him to get the information on the sausages, but it didn't quite work out. It's been a matter of choosing my time, and I think this is it.

vote: MRD

(I apologize tremendously for the issue with the deadline by the way. I lost track of it AGAIN. I wouldn't have saved it so "late" if I'd known; it's cheesy and not in the nice Pizza-y goodness way, either.)

For the townies, here is the evidence:

On TLD, here is post 29 of the pepperoni QT:

Well I don't think that Renata meant to not give out the QT link but to "mask" our recruits, giving them codenames in here although for those we've already mentioned it won't make any difference now...

Still, after thinking about it I guess it's worth to consider for the future...

It is signed by "Propagandist", one of the original cult leaders.

Here is post 43, by TheLastDays, The Boss' second "recruit" (I was the first):

WEll I guess it makes sense to reveal who I am, since I seem to be so popular in this game...

I've been recruited the night before, by the other cult... And now this night you guys recruited me, fun times ^^

If you want to lanch GH I guess it's easy for me to vote for him again since I have already shown inthread that I didn't like his wagon on Blackadder...

See the ellipses? It's a tic of TLD's.
Post 75

Guys, guys (and Renata of course), I walk out for a moment and all turns into a mess.

TLD, be careful. Now that people have actually voiced the opinion of you being a converted townie, this town converter might target you.

You seem to forget one thing though: The rules state that the killing will start when all recruitable players have been recruited at least once. So the townies that are recruited back to town will not slow down the way to killings.

What's the point of telling TLD to be careful if he's a real recruit? This is just for show.

Remember also the effort that TLD has been putting out all game, and how scummy he was.

And finally, what I thought for a time was a a bad MISTAKE from this team was actually strategy: they outed my name from the get-go despite knowing it would make me bait for any other recruiters who happened by (*cough*), because they wanted the cover (and the bait status) for TLD.

Now to Major Robert Dump. The first line of evidence is post 59 in the game thread. This is day one. See underlined.

Okay, lets try to figure out what the team distribution will be.

Obviously there are cult leaders and (per the game rules) at least 2 cults. The rules also mention other roles that aren't townie or cult, so maybe a serial killer or the like. That leaves 14 other people to account for. 14 v 2 v 1 seem kind of long odds for the cult and the serial killer. Unless the cults start with organic members other than the leader which would change the composition to who knows what. For example, are both cults equal or do they get specific talents?

Since cultists revert back to original cult after the (new) cult leader dies, I see a lot of misinformation getting thrown around when a cult leader gets lynched since his alignment won't be revealed but the remaining cult will regain members. I would say the most dangerous time in the game for townies will be if and when a cult leader is knocked off because of the sudden mass shift of members into one cult.

As much as I hate PIS accusations ( :angel: ), that is one heck of an extrapolation to be making based on the information at hand. (It's not even consistent with most cults I've been a part of.) I would submit that MRD already knew that there were two leaders of each cult, and is trying to present it here as a logical deduction as opposed to inherent knowledge.

I call MRD on this myself in the QT (once I find out), and get this response from "The Boss" in post 28:

#59 is MRD grasping at straws like he does in his first postings in games. It usually gets him lynched because it makes people paranoid and he would be a good distraction vote if there weren't already a bandwagon going.

GH is a threat to us if he knows anything.

I'm interested in recruiting possibly Romanic, DiamondEye and/or TheLastDays.

As for people getting this QT and not being converted/stolen from the cult, we have taken this into consideration and concluded that the pros of group communication outweigh the cons. The cultists will be on a need to know status.

Nice hand-waving, right?

There are also a number of similarities in posting style that I won't bother to point out, since I also have stuff like this PM:

No idea who the recruiter is, I want to say GH for tht thing with blackadder, but blackadder was not a clan leader unless he had a serial killer role type role.

If Seon has been recruited and then doesnt say anything, then he takes his chances like everyone else, as it stands I would recruit him back if he would give the word. The most we can legitamtely win with at this point is 4 ppl, even if we kill the recruiter we still have another day of lynching before the next recruitment phase. I have to kill tonight as much as I hate to, it is a necessity, otherwise we don't have a majority next lynch day.

This was sent to me and Seon. If I'm wrong about either of the cult leaders, then Seon is probably the one we're looking for, but I don't think I'm wrong.

Roll the dice.

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/nCPDbCPXbafR

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: classical_hero

We are looking for the Pepperoni Boss. Since Renata has so graciously provided the Pepperoni QT to all of us, this makes detective work easier to do. First, we'll start out with the list of currently living players:


ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon

Glancing at the QT for more than two seconds will prove that I am in no way affiliated with the Pepperoni cult, since they have tried to get me killed via one way or another throughout the entire game. It is also not Renata, the whistleblower on all of this. Robbiecon is out, as per "Boss"'s posts #91 and 92:


In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.


Okay, Some of you seem easily confused :P So I will explain a little better.

GH and Robbie are townies. Maybe special townies. Minus the whole murder thing, townies are a bigger threat than cults because when we kill the other cult leader all his members will return to tonwie role and we may be outnumbered on votes. So next round I want to focus on townies: GH and Robbiecon. I don't care what pretext you use or how or when you do it, in fact, if they look likely to be lynched feel free to abstain or to vote for a fellow cultist as a decoy, just as long as one of those two gets killed.

MRD is affiliated with the cult but not "Boss", as Renata has already pointed out. He's "Propagandist". This means we're down to three, Arpeggiate, classical_hero, and Seon.

We know that "Boss" has been a lurker for most of the game since, according to Post 118:


I need everyone to no :daisy: vote for GH today. I may actually vote for a change. He has to die

Also with this information, "Boss" reveals several times throughout the Quicktopic that he has children. This rules out Arpeggiate since he is an RL friend of Subotan, Subotan being a university student who has just finished up his freshman year at I believe Oxford. Assuming Arpeggiate and Subotan are even relatively close to the same age I find it extremely unlikely that Arpegg has at least two children. So we're down to C_H and Seon.

Let's turn back to Post 91 for a second:


In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.

"Boss" spelled my name "Handkerchief" - the correct way to do so, and not my intentional misspelling of the word as "Hankerchief" without a D. This is also not a onetime occurrence, as he does so again in Post 105:


This round, do not vote for DiamondEye, Seon, TLD or Renata. Vote for either General Handkerchief or Robbiecon.

Where am I going with this?


I still don't like the vibe he is sending, so I shall vote:GeneralHandkerchief


Right now I don't have a good clue about is cult or not. But I have had a hunch about vote:GeneralHandkerchief for awhile.

Seon made no (mis)spellings of the word, and in addition C_H has voted for me twice more, here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136251-It-s-a-surprise-mafia-In-Play&p=2053337924#post2053337924) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136251-It-s-a-surprise-mafia-In-Play&p=2053342360#post2053342360), the first of those being on July 4th which would ring true with his claim of "I have been trying to get GH lynched from day 1" as per Post 121.

There is also his claim of having been a "boss" in a game some months back which other people might be able to confirm, but in the meantime I think this is more than enough evidence that C_H is our boy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

By the way ATPG, do not delete the Pepperoni Quicktopic, as I'm probably going to bronze it for amusement's sake after the game. :laugh4:

[Major Robert Dump]

Well played Renata.
However, basing TLDs identity on some ellepsis is a pretty far stretch. Also suggesting that the cult leader would contact you of all people directly and spill all beans to you is also a stretch.

I was recruited after you, but it has always been clear in the QT that they had plans for you from the beginning.

I am but a humble cultist acting as liasion for my leadership as I was given anonymous orders, while in the thread I pleaded to be recruited back to town. In the public QT I argued with the Leader in an effort to be distanced from the cult while being fed orders by the same person I was arguing with. All of my correspondence with you has been with the underlying notion that you may be the cult leader, or you may be a special town role, and if so I made statements and claims that you and only you can prove or disprove.

I have been playing both sides, willing to jump ship and go to another team on a whim, if it means I can survive a game for once. I knew the leader was planning on killing Secura last night, so I publicly defied him knowing it would buy me one more day and perhaps one of the pepperoni leaders would be killed or someone would recruit me back to town.

Hear you not my cry for help, yet you want to lynch me instead?

Are you one of the Pepperoni leaders, perhaps the 2nd in command? Suggesting that one Pepperoni leader is dead when in fact both are still alive is highly convenient for you and your boss, which lends merit to the ridiculous nature on which you base TLDs "role" as the propogandist. It also means if you can get someone else lynched and murdered for one more day your team will be almost unstoppable as you will still have at least 1 night kill remaining between the two of you.

This also explains why you PM'd me exactly 30 seconds after I posted in the QT that I knew who the Boss was. I waited until after night phase because I wanted to see if they would murder me, and then I came to you with the notion that I was the leader, a notion you were way too willing to buy off on despite evidence suggesting otherwise, probably because it was very convenient for covering your own butt.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Classical_hero GENERALHANKY
GeneralHankerchief CLASSICAL
Major Robert Dump CLASSICAL
Renata MRD
Robbiecon CLASSICAL
Seon NO VOTE


Classical is the lynch leader with 3 votes. You have the extension due to lack of votes at the deadline.

[Major Robert Dump]

In case I wasn't clear, C_H is still my primary suspect.

My secondaries used to be GH or Seon, but now it is Renata for the manner in which she bought into my claim of being the Pepperoni leader.

Here is a question: Why would I, as the leader, hand you guys Romanic knowing full well that the "Boss" was going to kill Secura during nightphase and therefore revert all the Sausage cultists back to town, stacking the cards against my clan with a sudden influx of townies?

[classical_hero]

I am going to unvote for now and read the QT and see what is going on. Is Renata giving out this QT a ploy to get people off her? IS GH being saying those things to get the suspicion of him? This game just got very much interesting.

[classical_hero]

Considering we are dealing with most likely a lurker who is trying to be the winning cultist I will say that vote:ArpeggiateTHIS is the most likely one to be the leader. I have rarely seen him post and it seems that he is very much lurking in this game and trying for the victory.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So classical_hero just made a new post in the QT as himself, saying "thanks to Renata for this". It made me realize that another strike against him was that the general timeframe he posted that generally corresponds that the times that "Boss" made his posts in the QT.

This is getting funny now. :laugh4:

[classical_hero]

So classical_hero just made a new post in the QT as himself, saying "thanks to Renata for this". It made me realize that another strike against him was that the general timeframe he posted that generally corresponds that the times that "Boss" made his posts in the QT.

This is getting funny now. :laugh4:Well today is a Saturday, so I am not at work. So that means I have time to be posting at that time, but when I have been working, which is from 12pm to 8m my time and sometime even later, it means that the Boss cannot be me since i do not have internet access at work and I can only ever post from home. The time that it equate to in the QT is 12am to 8am, since right now ET is 12 hours behind my time. So you can see from the below picture the time is 4:44am ET, which equates to 4:44pm my time, which means i would somehow would have posted that from a mobile device, which my current LG shine can't do, since I have tried to view the forums on my phone, but it is not smart enough to do that.
Just go to the most recent post of the person caled the Boss to see his time, since ATPG does not allow screenshots, so he asked me to remove it. But since the link is above you can all see for yourselves.
So you can see that I could never have posted that, since I am a shift worker, so that means that ever two weeks I do one shift and then the next fortnight I do another shift, making my posting times erratic.

I have to a big hearty thanks to the cult leader for thinking so highly of me. He is doing his very best to set me up for the fall and I thank him for thinking so highly of me to have such an elaborate set up all aimed at getting rid of me. He must have figured out by now that I am an unrecruitable townie and doing his best to get rid of me by any means needed. I am truly grateful for being though of so highly, it is truly a great honour for such an elaborate scheme to be placed in trying to get me lynched. I am so honoured about that. That is why this QT has been leaked since it is now out of use, sin there have been no posts since Wednesday. So such a scheme needs a great defence, which is why I am doing something I rarely do and post a big long defence of myself. So lets have a look at the voting patterns.

Day one votes:
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays, issaikhaan)

Diamondeye: 2 (classical_hero, Believer)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Ibn-Khaldun, Mr. Stuka)
issaikhaan: 2 (Romanic, Diamondeye)

ArpeggiateTHIS: 1 (Renata)
Mr. Stuka: 1 (Secura)
Poulus Romanus: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
Day one votes are generally wrthless since it is just feelers for the game, so not much could be happening on that day, but by any right the game should have been finished with the death of the host. :wink:

Day two votes:
Blackadder: GH, IK, Renata, Romanic, Mr Stuka, classical_hero, MRD,
GH: TLD, Populus Romanus, CB
Mr Stuka: AT, Secura,
Renata: Believer
Believer: DE
Most people voted for CB on the instructins of GH. Not much to go there, unless GH is actually the boss, but I don't think that is likely.

Day three votes:
Stuka: Arpeg, Secura, Renata,
GH: DE, PR,
TLD: Romanic, GH
MRD: IK
Believer: TLD
Arpeg: Stuka

Day four votes:
4 Believer (Diamondeye, Major Robert Dump, GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays)
3 TheLastDays (Romanic, Believer, Populus Romanus)
1 GeneralHankerchief (classical_hero)
1 classical_hero (Secura)
1 Major Robert Dump (Ibn Khaldun)
---
4 not voting (ArpeggiateTHIS, Renata, robbiecon, Seon)

Day five votes:
5 Populus Romanus (Secura, Arpeg, robbiecon, DE, Renata)
4 robbiecon (MRD, TLD, CH, Populus)
2 TLD (Romanic, Ibn)
1 DE (GH)
---
1 no vote (Seon)

Day six voting:
DE: GH, robbie, Romanic
GH: Seon, c_h, DE
robbie: TLD, MRD
Seon: Secura,

Day seven vote:
GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON

TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC
Renata ROMANIC
Seon ROMANIC

Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF

ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE

So I hav highlighted my suspect based on his behaviour in the game. Appreg has hardly voted and the times he has he has been voting to get people eliminated, making his job so much eaiser. He is lurking his way to victory, if you allow him to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is entirely my fault, but "No screenshots" should be in the rules, and it's not.

Consider it to be as of this moment. C_H posted nothing incriminating or bad, but at the same time, I realized he just did it legally and I couldn't allow that as a precedent.

Sorry.

[GeneralHankerchief]

C_H: Originally, I thought it was Arpegg too, but then I saw the repeated "kids" thing in the Quicktopic. I'm about 97% sure that he is a RL friend of Subotan's, who is definitely a university student, and under Arpegg's profile it even lists "student" as his occupation. Now there's you, who just in your most recent post admitted you're a shift worker and thus more likely than not older than Arpeggiate. So, I ask you (and the rest of the town I guess), which scenario is the most likely:

a) A 19/20ish year old university student has multiple children and is not lying about it in the QT
b) A (presumably) older member of the workforce has multiple children and is not lying about it in the QT
c) Arpeggiate is the cult leader but does not have any children and all of the references in the Quicktopic mentioning that he does not to mention his .Org profile are an elaborate trap set up from the very beginning of the game specifically designed to frame you.

This doesn't even take into account the whole handkerchief/hankerchief distinction, which is another strike against you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

In addition to the above:

Take Arpeggiate's post on July 7th:


Apologies for my inactivity, I've just got back from a few days away (and you can check that; it's concurrent with information given in The Crazy Game). I'll post a vote as soon as I get the chance.

Now, "Boss" made multiple posts in the QT on July 3, 4, 5, and 6. So "Boss" was very clearly monitoring things on those dates, while Arpegg was nowhere in sight.

Finally, take "Boss"'s post 121 in the QT:


I have been trying to get GH lynched from day 1

And let's cross-reference that with the voting record you mentioned above:

Day one votes:
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays, issaikhaan)

Diamondeye: 2 (classical_hero, Believer)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Ibn-Khaldun, Mr. Stuka)
issaikhaan: 2 (Romanic, Diamondeye)

ArpeggiateTHIS: 1 (Renata)
Mr. Stuka: 1 (Secura)
Poulus Romanus: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
Day one votes are generally wrthless since it is just feelers for the game, so not much could be happening on that day, but by any right the game should have been finished with the death of the host. :wink:

Day two votes:
Blackadder: GH, IK, Renata, Romanic, Mr Stuka, classical_hero, MRD,
GH: TLD, Populus Romanus, CB
Mr Stuka: AT, Secura,
Renata: Believer
Believer: DE
Most people voted for CB on the instructins of GH. Not much to go there, unless GH is actually the boss, but I don't think that is likely.

Day three votes:
Stuka: Arpeg, Secura, Renata,
GH: DE, PR,
TLD: Romanic, GH
MRD: IK
Believer: TLD
Arpeg: Stuka

Day four votes:
4 Believer (Diamondeye, Major Robert Dump, GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays)
3 TheLastDays (Romanic, Believer, Populus Romanus)
1 GeneralHankerchief (classical_hero)
1 classical_hero (Secura)
1 Major Robert Dump (Ibn Khaldun)
---
4 not voting (ArpeggiateTHIS, Renata, robbiecon, Seon)

Day five votes:
5 Populus Romanus (Secura, Arpeg, robbiecon, DE, Renata)
4 robbiecon (MRD, TLD, CH, Populus)
2 TLD (Romanic, Ibn)
1 DE (GH)
---
1 no vote (Seon)

Day six voting:
DE: GH, robbie, Romanic
GH: Seon, c_h, DE
robbie: TLD, MRD
Seon: Secura,

Day seven vote:
GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON

TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC
Renata ROMANIC
Seon ROMANIC

Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF

ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE

What jumps out? For someone who says he's been trying to get rid of me from Day 1, Arpegg has not once voted for me. Contrast that with you, who has done so on multiple occasions.

Bottom line, either you're the boss or ArpeggiateTHIS is pulling the single most elaborate frame job I have ever seen in a mafia game. I leave it up to the town to determine which one is the more likely scenario.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Condensed version for the wall-of-text averse:

CLASSICAL_HERO IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THE BOSS OF THE PEPPERONI CULT.

[classical_hero]

I am single and therefore I don't have any kids either. So if not arpeg, then it could be Robbiecon and he is using the chrome thing as a cover? But I am thinking the kids thin is about the game and not real life.

About the going after you from day one, I have only ever voted for you since day 4. I even voted with you on day two since you put up such a "strong, convincing argument" against CB, and yet you have kept that a secret, which is why I voted for you on day four, since generally only scum would ever try and control the town like that. So that is why I have kept my eye on you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So if not arpeg, then it could be Robbiecon and he is using the chrome thing as a cover?

Highly unlikely, due to the following:


Don't let TLD get lynched. I don't care who you vote for (GH would be great!) but keep TLD alive. The only other person being voted so far is Robbiecon, and he is fair game, so blend in on the wagon if you must


In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.


GH and Robbie are townies. Maybe special townies. Minus the whole murder thing, townies are a bigger threat than cults because when we kill the other cult leader all his members will return to tonwie role and we may be outnumbered on votes. So next round I want to focus on townies: GH and Robbiecon. I don't care what pretext you use or how or when you do it, in fact, if they look likely to be lynched feel free to abstain or to vote for a fellow cultist as a decoy, just as long as one of those two gets killed.


This round, do not vote for DiamondEye, Seon, TLD or Renata. Vote for either General Handkerchief or Robbiecon.

Granted, "Boss"'s tone changed in the following...


CH and Robbiecon are off limits.

But then again you are mentioned in that same post so it doesn't tell us much. Also, TLD said in QT 94 that he was going to vote for robbie over me and "Boss" said nothing about urging TLD to go for me instead, an extremely risky play if "Boss" truly was robbiecon.

Also, robbie voted for Diamondeye on Day 6 and has never once voted for me.

Also, you're still not saying anything about the handkerchief/hankerchief distinction.

[classical_hero]

In addition to the above:

Take Arpeggiate's post on July 7th:



Now, "Boss" made multiple posts in the QT on July 3, 4, 5, and 6. So "Boss" was very clearly monitoring things on those dates, while Arpegg was nowhere in sight. I have been mafia before when I went on a holiday and even then I did my best to at least check in the QT while doing so. Making sure at least things behind the scenes are working, so that does not count anyone out. What does count me out being the Boos is the posting times. That Boss has been posting at times when I have no chance to be posting, so how do you explain that one? That makes your argument look shaky at best and scummy at worst.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What does count me out being the Boos is the posting times. That Boss has been posting at times when I have no chance to be posting, so how do you explain that one? That makes your argument look shaky at best and scummy at worst.

#1, I have no idea what your schedule is, so people have to take this one at your word, which means absolutely nothing in these games. #2, you yourself mentioned you were on shift work, which means your schedule changes accordingly. #3, Arpegg is old news.

Also, what I find most interesting is that you're clearly cherry-picking which spots to defend yourself on, and are ignoring the much bigger picture of how you are the only possible candidate to be the pepperoni cult leader.

Also, 3 sort-of defenses and counting and you still have yet to address the handkerchief/hankerchief discrepancy.

[Major Robert Dump]

C_H You say you are a non-recruitable townie and Renata says she is one as well. I find it hard to believe that there would be more than one such role in the town with 4 already existing in the cults, that would make almost 1/3 of the participants non-recruitable. Either one or both of you are lying, and maybe the town recruiter was killed long ago.

[Renata]

I'm going to cry; I just lost my whole post and I hardly had time to write it in the first place.

Clearly we need some townies up in here.

This should say all that needs to be said about GH (from a PM to me):

[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief]Okay, it's pretty obvious that if you glance over the Pepperoni QT for more than two seconds you know I'm not in that cult. :laugh4: So I think it's all right if you come out and tell me. I'm guessing it's Arpeg - confirmation?

GH

Why's he fishing for the town recruiter (if it's not me)? When I posted what I did in public, I sent a PM to most of the remaining players also saying I was NOT the recruiter, and for whoever was the recruiter to keep mum and not contradict me. I don't want people to know who the town recruiter is. But GH wants to know, and he used incomplete evidence to do so: he hasn't been mentioned in the QT as a kill target for a while now.

He also either failed to read or just plain lied about my own opinions in his post up there. "As Renata already said" that TLD is Boss? Er, no. I said that TLD is Propagandist.

And you'll note that in all of that analysis of who Boss is, he leaves person's name out, the one that *I* named: MRD.

Finally:

Unvote Blackadder
Vote: General Handkerchief

I repeat: GeneralHan[color]D[/color=red]kerchief. From MRD. I rest my case.

I believe that GH was recruited recently, is still cult, recognizes that I am correct (all of what MRD says in his defense is a smokescreen -- think of what he's been doing in public as true townie behavior, it makes no sense, it's supposed to give the impression of being a townie -- and the PM from Unrequited is clearly meant only to disguise TLD's real nature and the cult's current weakness), and knows that if MRD is lynched today the game will end, GH will die cult, and lose. For his own victory's sake, he needs to delay that.

I don't know why MRD took the risk of revealing accurately to me, but he did, and that's that. Everythign that Boss has done, the talking to himself, the outright lies in the QT intended to manipulate behavior (like that all recruits would never return to being townies once recruited the first time), the over-the-top histrionics -- it's all MRD to a T and has been since day one.

And he writes "generalhandkerchief", and GH chose to omit that fact.

CH, robbie, Arpeg, Seon, whichever are currently town please examine the evidence and vote for MRD. I have every reason to believe the game will then end with a town victory.

[Renata]

C_H You say you are a non-recruitable townie and Renata says she is one as well. I find it hard to believe that there would be more than one such role in the town with 4 already existing in the cults, that would make almost 1/3 of the participants non-recruitable. Either one or both of you are lying, and maybe the town recruiter was killed long ago.

The town recruiter is most certainly still alive. :bow:

[classical_hero]

Well that is good news to hear. So you think it is MRD not arpeg. I am going to trust your judgement on this one Renata. unvote; vote:MRD.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Renata: When I asked you that question, I was asking you about the Pepperoni Boss, not the town recruiter. I couldn't give two hoots about the town recruiter.

Also, I did overlook the whole MRD handkerchief/hankerchief thing, mainly because I absolutely refused to consider that MRD would be able to pull off the scheme of having such a brouhaha with himself in the QT thread.

Finally, I never said that you said that TLD was "Propagandist" or "Boss". My theory is/was that C_H is "Boss" and MRD is "Propagandist", in this theory MRD telling the truth.

You've certainly mounted a more credible defense than C_H by offering a legitimate alternative target, and I need to think on this a bit more. But for now my vote stays on C_H.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I can see it.

Unvote: classical_hero
Vote: MRD

My two hangups with the theory were TLD's Post QT Post 43 where he said he had been recruited twice, but it could have meant that that he was an original Pepperoni, got recruited by Sausage, and then got recruited back by Pepperoni the following night. The other one was I can't see why MRD would have taken such a circuitous and elaborate endgame route in "outing" himself in the QT and then fighting with himself, but if TLD was Propagandist the entire time then it's more feasible than it was before. In the end "Boss"'s QT style does look a lot like MRD's, and he does have the handkerchief/hankerchief thing against him too.

Further convincing me that this is the correct story would be appreciated though. :sweatdrop:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Christ, I just pulled myself up from the depths of sleep because I thought of something else. Bear with me here for a minute.


Whatever.

I'm sure its really tough there thats why you are at the .org and playing total war on steam. Don't expect pity from me.

I need everyone to no :daisy: vote for GH today. I may actually vote for a change. He has to die

In the middle of the "Boss"/"Not MRD" argument that got "too heated". The above was from "Boss", allegedly yelling at MRD.

I'm friends with MRD on Steam, and yeah, I see him online a lot, playing Total War and the like. Right now for example he's playing Warhammer. The question is, how would anyone else know this? They'd have to be friends with him on Steam.

Checking through MRD's friends list on Steam and his "games played" list, I can't find any real matches. Renata is active on CivFanatics, came here for Mafia, no Total War. Same with classical_hero, he even started a friend. Arpegg, again, came here through his RL friendship with Subo, I believe originally for the purposes of playing A Bridge Zhou Far. Seon's another immigrant only here for Mafia, as is I believe robbiecon. Really the only other person that would match "Boss"'s profile is, well... me.

I guess MRD got a little too cute there with the fake argument at the end, revealed a bit too much information. It's definitely him, guys - C_H, sorry for going after you earlier.

I'm definitely definitely going to sleep now.

[TinCow]

I'm going to cry; I just lost my whole post and I hardly had time to write it in the first place.

Apologies for butting into a game I'm not playing, but after the above post, I wanted to point out that the forums have an auto-save feature for under-construction posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136283-Forum-Upgrade&p=2053332332&viewfull=1#post2053332332).

[classical_hero]

Well the person who is Boss is doing his very best to imitate people.

[Renata]

I had two PMs to you, GH; the first was about the Pepperoni cult's leadership, while the second was about the town recruiter. You responded to the second. So ... maybe.

At the moment I'm a little paranoid that I'm wrong about TLD and it's actually you who's leading that cult with MRD, but it would have to be an absolutely astonishing display of brinksmanship if that's the case, given all those "lynch GH" posts from the Boss. And MRD's apparent forgetting that me plus CH PLUS TLD should make three unrecruitables, not two, is more consistent with the "Unrequited" story being fakery trumped up by him to cover for TLD's loss than it is with it being truth. You'd think being a cult leader, if someone was described as an unrecruitable townie, you'd remember it.

Bottom line, I'm fully convinced of MRD and if I'm wrong about the second leader already being dead, so be it -- I made my gamble.

I think the vote is 3 to 2 right now, and at least some of robbie, Arpeg and Seon must be townies; I'd love if they came in and voted.

[Major Robert Dump]

I'm being thrown under the bus by the same people I vowed to defend.

I cannot believe a case is being made based on the spelling of GHs name. Furthermore, my constant presence on steam has been discussed in threads. The idea that I would argue with myself is ludicrous, and this essentially boils down to the Pepperoni leadership convincing me to be the liason in an effort to draw attention while they eliminated The Sausages. I suppose I deserve it, though, as I was publicly stating my disdain with the cult in thread.

Calling for the lynch of GH turn after turn after turn is a great form of misdirection, particularly when one knows that it will be almost impossible to coordinate in the QT with everyone worried about anonymity and vote tracking. It also explains the abusive nature of the Boss's posts. There has been no mention of Pepperoni in the obituaries, look for yourself. After this lynch today, there will be 1 and possibly 2 night kills left. Once again I will be the patsy. I'm tempted to change my vote to GH, but at this point it does not matter and at least with a tie with C_H I would get a duel.

To the Pepperoni leader: You are a real jerk

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just want to say, I haven't even read these arguments but I find the repeated mentioning of "handkerchief" versus "hankerchief" especially amusing.

Will be at work, round ends at the 48 hour mark unless there's a tie.

[Secura]

I was going to post something lengthy that addressed alot of the why's and whatfor's, but I felt that it was pointless since the only thing that needs to be said is "you're making a huge mistake here, guys."

Now that the Pepperoni QuickTopic is public knowledge, I can draw attention to Post #115, which states "I was a boss a couple of months ago and nobody listened to me then either." If you look at the games that have passed a few months back that followed a 'godfather' structure, your attention should be drawn to a certain large game that was based on the Metroid series, featured a plethora of other video game characters and centred around two mafia teams.

Look closer and you'll find that one of the players in this game was a godfather in that game; view their QuickTopic and you'll learn that their teammates largely ignored their input and went their own way, just as the boss in this game states. Once you've read that, reconsider this bandwagon against MRD and place your vote where it belongs.

EDIT: Major Robert Dump did not play in the game I refer to, bear that in mind too.

EDIT+: I still think it's a bad lynch, but if all that arguing in the QuickTopic was a case of 'me, myself and I'... I don't know whether to applaud MRD or arrange to have him sectioned. :P

[Renata]

If I totally screwed up, you could just name names, Secura. It's not like what you've said is impossible to look up, but it's not exactly at the top of my memory.

[Renata]

It would be par for the course the way most of my games are going right now.

[Renata]

You do mean classical_hero. I suck.

[Secura]

I do, yes.

If it's any consolation, I like your case against MRD, I just prefer classical_hero for the lynch.

[Seon]

Ah hell.

Vote: Classical Hero

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: MRD
Vote: classical_hero

At this point there's different pieces of evidence pointing to both candidates, so I'd call it a 50-50 shot. However, since C_H was my initial instinct, I'm shamelessly going to switch back to him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just want to say, I haven't even read these arguments but I find the repeated mentioning of "handkerchief" versus "hankerchief" especially amusing.

Will be at work, round ends at the 48 hour mark unless there's a tie.

Round ended at the 48 hour mark, which was after this post but before Secura's post.




ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Classical_hero MAJOR ROBERT DUMP
GeneralHankerchief MAJOR ROBERT DUMP (Unvote was late)
Major Robert Dump CLASSICAL
Renata MAJOR ROBERT DUMP
Robbiecon CLASSICAL
Seon VOTED LATE


MRD: 3
Classical: 2

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have a bad feeling about this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY EIGHT



And so the remaining survivors gathered in the center of town. Askthepizzaguy was strangely depressed from some other game he had been playing, so he just allowed everyone to assemble and debate whenever they wanted to.


Askthepizzaguy: "Who did you guys figure was a heretic this time? It seems you were right about Romanic. And we found another cult leader dead, so that means at most, you have two left to go."


General Hanky: "No, there's only one left to go. It must be.... classical_hero."


Robbiecon: "Yes, it must be captain hero! Kill the hero!"


Major Robert Dump: "Prepare to die, mister hero! BWAHAHAAAA!"


Classical_hero: "Who, me? It wasn't me. That's silly. You're silly, cadet kerchief."


Askthepizzaguy: "You want to kill the hero? Okay, sure, let's do that! Are you ready for death, hero?"


General Hanky: "WAIT!"


Askthepizzaguy: "Now what?"


General Hanky: "My nose hairs are tingling. Something is askew."


Askthepizzaguy: "Gesundheit."


General Hanky: "Thank you. Now, I'm not a fancy, big city lawyer, but it seems to me, even someone as crazy as Major Robert Dump wouldn't go the route of arguing with himself in a quicktopic. But if TheLastDays was a propagandist, then I suppose it makes more sense."


Major Robert Dump: "That's absurd! He only ever posted as the Propagandist, or TLD. He couldn't have posted those arguments. You're wrong, Hank. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong wrong!"


General Hanky: "I am?"


Major Robert Dump: "Yes. You're on the completely wrong track. You've got it all backward, in fact. You see, I know firsthand that TheLastDays couldn't possibly have posted those things, because I was a mole on the inside of that whole cult, working to bring it down."


General Hanky: "You were?"


Major Robert Dump: "Yes. I was there since the very beginning, undercover as the Premier Pepperoni Pontiff himself. I figured there was no better way to infiltrate the cult than being its leader. No one would ever suspect a thing. And so I worked tirelessly, throwing myself into character, eating NOTHING but Pepperoni.... slowly convincing myself to like its meaty flavor, its greasy aftertaste, and its suggestive shape! I swallowed more Pepperoni than most mortal men would ever dare! And I grew to like it very much indeed. Then, I made sure that everyone else liked it as much as me, by having my apprentice, TheLastDays, kidnap people and force his pepperoni down their throats. He was so good at it that I made him my Primary Pepperoni Propagandist in charge of the whole cult-spreading thing. The plan was so incredibly ingenious that it would never, ever be unraveled."


General Hanky: "Astonishing."


Major Robert Dump: "And so I toiled in secrecy, forever loyal to the Order of Pizza-Eaters, working under the code name 'Deep Meat'. I was their most experienced and knowledgeable spy. I had the entire cult of Pepperoni worshipers under my complete control. Where there was rumors of dissent and disorder, those rumors were planted by me and me alone! When there was chaos and disloyalty, that was merely an act done by myself personally. And we had infiltrated the Sausage cult as well, sending TheLastDays over there repeatedly as their convert, but he was still loyal to the Pepperoni, and therefore, still loyal to me."


General Hanky: "Truly you have a dizzying intellect."


Major Robert Dump: "Wait until I get warmed up! Where was I? Oh yes. So, I personally ordered the kidnappings of all the various peasants in town, and I jammed my spicy greasy meat poles in their gaping maws until they worshiped it instead of the almighty Pizza. Soon, they all bowed down to me.... I had total control over their minds. But little did they know it was all a ruse... I was taking meticulous notes... orchestrating scheme after scheme.... completely fooling everyone. And now, I have all the evidence I need, to convict almost all of you traitors! I am MAJOR ROBERT DUMP, the highest ranking operative of the Order of Pizza-Eaters, and I have proven that most of you are heretics under my control, respecting MY authoritah!"


General Hanky: "The highest ranking operative?"


Major Robert Dump: "Yes! The highest ranking!"


General Hanky: *looks at his own name tag* "Could you possibly be overlooking one minor detail?"


Major Robert Dump: "Whatever it is, it is of no concern. Soon, the heretics will be crushed, and all of Pizzadom will belong to me! My work here is finished. I'll soon have my finished report on Askthepizzaguy's desk. I'll be a hero for sure."


General Hanky: "I declare that Major Robert Dump is a heretic. KILL HIM!!!"


Suddenly, everyone in town besides Major Robert Dump went into a zombie-like trance.


Crowd: "Must... kill... Dump.

Must... kill... Dump.

Must... kill... Dump."


Major Robert Dump: "Already I have legions of admirers who have come to carry me on their shoulders in a parade through town. At last, I'm getting what I deserve!"


And so the crowd picked up Major Robert Dump and brought him towards the Magistrate's office at the center of town. But instead of carrying him inside, they went around back, to where there was a small wooden structure.


Major Robert Dump: "I can picture it now... hordes of cheering fans, more gold than I could ever spend, women, women, and more women... medals, titles, a mountain of chocolate, and a fountain of beer. At long last, my plans have finally paid off!"


General Hanky: "PUT HIM IN!!!"


And so the crowd ripped open the wooden door, and hurled Dump head-first into the darkness.


Major Robert Dump: "Look, a mountain of chocolate!"


Suddenly, a cement mixer driven by Askthepizzaguy backed up and crushed the wooden outhouse, and began pouring cement into the latrine, sealing Dump in with his fabulous reward.



Askthepizzaguy: "Good work, GeneralHankerchief. I was a little worried there, but it seems that your loyalty and service to the Order of Pizza-Eaters cannot be questioned."


GeneralHankerchief: "Actually, for a while there I was pretty sure that Pizza was rather nasty. But I got better."


Askthepizzaguy: "Indeed. That reminds me, I have to personally thank the Grand Inquisitor!"


Robbiecon: "All in a day's work, folks. It was I who went running around at night, kidnapping heretics, and force-feeding them the correct, balanced food which serves everyone's nutritional needs. It was the least I could do for the Order of Pizza-Eaters."


Askthepizzaguy: "What can I say, this outcome was probably the best I could have hoped for. Only about half of you died! Isn't that something? How about we all order some Pizza to celebrate!"


Renata: "I'll take mine with Pepperoni!"


Suddenly, everyone stopped talking and stared coldly at Renata.


Renata: "Eep." :creep:


Askthepizzaguy: "As long as it is a topping on your pizza, that's perfectly all right."


And everyone had a good laugh. And they all personally ate 12 cheese pizzas with extra cheese, pepperoni, sausage, green peppers, onions, mushrooms, black olives, pork, beef, bacon, chicken, and red peppers. BUT NO ANCHOVIES. :stare:




Alive:

ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon


Dead:

issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:

Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif

Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:

Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:

Diamondeye- He was a paper tiger. :7scubadiver:

Ibn-Khaldun- Had other commitments and asked to leave the game. :book:

Romanic- Has joined the choir invisible.... with sausage. :angel:

Secura- She made this game less of a sausage-fest.... and yet, made it even more of a sausage-fest. :chef:


TheLastDays- These were his last pepperoni slices. :skull:

Major Robert Dump- He ate too much pepperoni and had to take a Major Robert Dump. :toilet:





VICTORY: ORDER OF THE PIZZA-EATERS






PEPPERONI CULT
Major Robert Dump - Premier Pepperoni Pontiff
TheLastDays - Primary Pepperoni Propagandist

SAUSAGE CULT
Romanic - Supreme Shah of Sausage
Secura - Holder of the Sacred Sausage Scrolls

ORDER OF PIZZA EATERS
Robbiecon- Grand Pizza Inquisitor for the Order of Pizza-Eaters
Classical_hero- Pizza loyalist (incorruptible)
Ibn-Khaldun- Pizza loyalist (incorruptible)

Everyone else- Corruptible Pizza-eaters.




That's it, that's the game. No fake ending. There were so many quicktopics in this game I don't know where to begin. :wall:

Congrats, townies. You were on the ropes until the cults destroyed each other something fierce. Then the rest of you converted back to townies. Congrats especially to the incorruptible townies, who did a good job de-converting or just staying alive long enough to make a difference. :balloon2:

Also, sorry Sausage Cult.... you kept converting the incorruptible Pepperoni Propagandist and then Ibn-Khaldun, the incorruptible townie..... But amazingly, at one point you were the DOMINANT FACTION!!! If only you all voted together you could have lynched Dump or TheLastDays and taken home the victory.... but alas, it was not to be. :bow:

The Pepperoni Cult did amazingly well, and I was flabbergasted by some of their tactics, but once TheLastDays went down and Renata was de-converted, hitting Dump on that round before he could recruit some more people... was a very fortunate turn of events for the town. Well played. :2thumbsup:


This was an insane game. How many times DID you get converted or de-converted, Renata? :dizzy2:

[Romanic]

Good game everyone.

Quick comment - I feel this setup is unbalanced, specially the rule converting all the cultists to Town once a cult is destroyed. It makes backstabbing a cult interesting for recruitable players, while the reverse isn't true. Also the Informed Minority vs Uninformed Majority isn't real here. The Town is arguably on par information-wise as they get 12-14 phases to figure what's going on before the mafia can kill their members safely (a lynch not being safe - calling for someone's head in the QT will reveal information that the Town can use later to deduce who are the leaders).

Some point to prove this - Renata not voting our way, after we recruited her, probably because she was considering her options even though she was one of ours.

As she said:

"My bargaining power as a regular "townie" is greater now than it will ever be."

Indeed. And us giving her information to convince her to "tag" with us was definitely something we couldn't afford. In this case we requested that Renata vote DE, to save GH, who wasn't one of our leaders, but the same could have happened if our leaders were on the line.

Once you cannot trust your own team, a game is flawed. This setup turned all vanilla townies into pevergreens types, ready to backstab their own teammates just because it was good strategy to do so.

And I'd like to hear what vanilla players thought about this setup. I feel that anyone who put some thoughts into this setup would figure that they should be siding with the Town, even if recruited by a Cult. That's what I would have done anyway.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And I'd like to hear what vanilla players thought about this setup. I feel that anyone who put some thoughts into this setup would figure that they should be siding with the Town, even if recruited by a Cult. That's what I would have done anyway.

Well I basically flew by the seat of my pants this game, so I'm not really in a position to comment. To be honest I didn't really examine the mechanics or anything else like that in depth, which I think served me well all in all. :laugh4: Romanic, I did figure you for the Sausage Cult leader due to posting style in the QT, but obviously at that point I was on your team so I didn't say much. Once I got converted back to townie and things got more in the open I was actually able to make sense of things, and luckily Renata convinced me for just long enough for my vote on MRD to be valid. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I particularly liked GeneralHankerchief's early game decision to insist on lynching certain players without providing reasoning. And people followed him, too.

Very entertaining.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, regarding the Blackadder thing: Yes, there actually was reasoning behind it, believe it or not. However, since I'm always playing the metagame, I'm still not going to tell you what it was.

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow. I almost lived another day. Really too bad about the inactivity in this game.

Yeah, yeah, I torpedoed myself with the Renata thing. What else was there to do? Based on the mechanics of the game, the only viable strategy in my opinion would be to essentially lynch/murder your own recruits while pretending in the QT you were trying to protect them. And I didn't want to be the guy who killed my own teammates.

Everything in the QT was a lie. Every seed we planted about me being in previous games, who we were recruiting, me having kids, me arguing with myself, me being abusive, erratic posting times and personal problems was a lie because we knew that ultimately the detectives would dissect the subtle nuances. We knew everything would eventually come to a head and we would need things to be inconsistent and have people chasing ghosts when the QT ultimately became public. It almost worked. (and for the record, I did not pose as Classical Hero, I just made stuff up and it happened to fit him, I know nothing about him personally or his game history. The fact that he attacked me in Sigurds mafia game was good for me and bad timing for him.)

Here was the problem: As mentioned above by Romanic, no recruits were trustworthy, and some could potentially bring you down. This made it almost impossible to coordinate votes. This made it impossible to talk larger strategy outside the two leaders.

The argument with myself:
I claimed to Renata and Seon in PMs because I needed them onboard so we could eliminate Romanic and Secura in the same round as soon as killing became available. If one of them survived there was a high chance that they were going to kill me because TLD said I was a suspect. It was a lose/lose situation. Reveal my identity either directly or though obivous voting and get Romanic lynched, or let one of the Sausages last another day and murder me. The argument was a last-ditch effort to make them doubt me as the leader and possibly suspect someone else for the night phase where they killed TLD. I actually thought TLD was in the clear and was surprised by his death. It was probably unnecessary to both have the argument and claim to Renata and Seon. In retrospect it looks like C_H and possibly Seon were bigger suspects than I, and I could have probably survived another day.

Also, I never visited the Sausage QT. I requested that TLD keep it to himself and just inform me what was happening

Renatas initial correspondence with me irked meespecially her insistence that she wanted a cult win, as did her absence for most of the voting on the day we lynched Romanic. That should have been the red flag.

I would like the thank TLD for being such a good sport and giving me solid intel on who the other cult leaders were. He was spot on, for reasons I won't go in to. It was his idea to pose as a recruit to our own cult, which is why we initially outed Renata, that way we could justify outing TLD and making him recruit bait for the Sausages.

Still haven't survived a mafia game

GG (except you Renata, you are a jerk face)

[classical_hero]

In this game you could not really trust anyone since they could become something else at an instant. I knew that I was one of the few people who could not change their alignment, so I knew I could not just blurt out that I was always a townie, s that would make me a target of the cults. I wonder if I ever got attempted at being recruited.

When reading the leaded QT, nothing made any sense in that whatsoever. So I got the hint that it was a big set up. Since I became the target of suspicion after it's release it was naturally I assume it was there to set me up. But that was not the case, but it sure felt like it, until Renata got the word out.

About your spelling GH. I just separated the two words in my browser and that is why the 'd' is in it, since without the 'd' in it it is underlined, so I made that assuption. Plus it is really had for me to see the mods of the forums considering the skin I use. The mods are green over a dark bluish and those two colours. I use the NTW skin and use that and see if you can read your name in it. So that explains my spelling of your name GeneralHankerchief.

[classical_hero]

I particularly liked GeneralHankerchief's early game decision to insist on lynching certain players without providing reasoning. And people followed him, too.

Very entertaining.That is why I started to suspect him, which is why he thought it was me in the QT.

[Diamondeye]

Does this mean we cannot eat Pepperoni on our pizzas?

Not that I care, I like pastrami way better.

[Major Robert Dump]

Also, DE your lynching was not intentional on my part, I miscounted votes and did not expect you to change your vote. I changed my vote to stay unpredicatble. Your demise was actually the first nail in our coffin.

[Renata]

OMG I was right. I was right? OMG.

Er, that is all.

OMG.


This was an insane game. How many times DID you get converted or de-converted, Renata?
Four. To Pepperoni the first night, to Sausage later on, then right back to Pepperoni, then to townie. I'll have a lot more to say tomorrow.

[TheLastDays]

Alright, I have a bit to say, since I had, of course, all insights into the Pepperoni Cult and a pretty deepl level of insight into the Sausage Cult.
This will not be a commentary in a traditional sense, more my take on a few aspects of the game but it might be a bit long-ish so bear with me, if you will.

First of all: Here's the real Pepperoni QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/n6tKnGK2g4m3d

Now as for my comments:

The Setup:
Well, this was a very difficult game for the cults I think. We never knew who we could trust and, as it turns out, we couldn't trust anybody. I think two competing Mafia factions will always be hard for the Mafia and very benefitial for the town and, in this game, this was aided even further by the fact that it didn't make much sense for a townie to "betray/backstab" the town and hope for recruitment but it made much sense for the recruits to backstab their recruiters, as is evidenced by i.e. Renata. IMO adding the town recruiter might have been a bit too much but, ATPG, don't understand this as negative criticizing, rather feedback or my opinion.
What's very interesting about the setup is that a lot of activity took place in various Quicktopics and Chats or PMs, even more so than in other games I think. The activity in the thread was at times just an outlet of what was done in private. An indicator for this is the very low post count of the game.
In the end I have to say it is a setup that can provide a lot of fun, I think. Inactivity was a bit of a problem at times, I think with a player base that was a bit more active the game might have been even more fun to play.

My "Schemes":
It all really just started out with us (MRD and me) deciding that we would recruit me as round 2 recruit to give me an "alibi" as a mere recruit. We decided on our first recruit, which was a wrong decision, but more on that will follow later. The first night ended and I got the PM that I was recruited by the Sausages. Interesting. Immediately I began to weave my plans and then we started to put them into action.
First I entered their cult as a usual recruit but upon round two we stuck to the plan of recruiting me to the Pepperoni. I then told the Sausages that I had been recruited (All that is in the original Sausage QT which was closed before GH was recruited) and wanted to be recruited back by them. They did recruit me back and I gave them access to our (all fake) QT.
I also tried to hide my identity as the Propagandist by changing my posting style. I did make these ellipses in the beginning but stopped quite soon. I faked american spelling for words like favor/favour, while usually I always use british spelling. Both MRD and me tried to mix up our posting times. I even made a few posts as "Boss". They had practically no real content and were only there to pretend he was online at times where MRD never was. I did things like calling GH "The General" and ATPG "Pizza" which I usually don't do. Overall I think this worked quite well, given that possibly Renata was the only one that I couldn't fool.
Later on, after I vote switched from Seon to Romanic and it was obvious that I "betrayed" them, I told Secura that I was an inconvertible townie that tried to play both cults against each other. I don't know how much she believed me at that point but before that I was trusted by the Sausage leaders and, believe it or not, it was a painful experience to backstab them, even though I didn't have a choice.
Quite a few times during these private discussions and the course of the game I almost felt "disgusted" by myself. I realized that I am a much better liar than I want to be. If I had been recruitable, it's very likely that I would have never betrayed those that first recruited me but since my allegiance could never be changed to begin with, I took my chances and did what I could to help the Pepperoni.


Figuring out the Sausages/other players:
Honestly, this part of the game was the most fun to me. Doing the detective work to dissect their QT and find out who was behind the masks of "Diamondeye" and "Cult Leader". Quite a bit of that process can be read in the Pepperoni QT. I had Secura pinned quite a while before she was confirmed by a little mistake she made, in creating their second QT with her own QT-username. Important hints were her posting times, her british spelling and some other things. It's all in our real QT. I had GH as a suspect for the leader for quite a while, actually until Secura told me they had recruited him N3. After that I had to search for others. MRD had mentioned that he suspected Romanic to be the leader and that Romanic wanted to get me lynched because they had discovered I was a traitor. It made me look out for Romanic and so I was pretty sure it was Romanic, also quite a while before Secura confirmed it to me. I don't think he actually wanted to get me lynched though. Romanic can probably confirm or deny this but I guess it was a pretty good distancing tactic for the day that my cover would be blown and the pepperoni would realize that I was a sausage after all.

Why we lost:
There's a bunch of reasons.
MRD apologized to me via PM yesterday, making it look like it was his fault and I heavily disagree. I think MRD made only one big mistake during the course of the game and that mistake wasn't game losing. He changed his vote in the round DE was lynched and that got DE into the tie where we lost him. I think DE was a legit recruit but he might have been derecruited anyway and, as I said, that's not what lost us the game.

Then there was the revealing PMs, where MRD sent out PMs to Renata and Seon, to get the to vote with us on the round we lynched Romanic. Probably there was also a PM to GH that round that revealed him. I have no idea how the content of the PMs was and how incriminating they were but the fact that they were sent out was rather my fault than MRDs. I convinced him to do this because I got nervous after Seon switched his vote and put himself in the lead. We probably should have sat it out. I don't know if Renata would have voted with us but since Seon didn't vote this round at all it would have probably been better to lose him (if he even was on our side at that point) than to expose MRD. I'm to blame.
There's one thing that stings me in this matter. I asked MRD is we could send them an anonymous PM, asking them to change their votes and maybe even convincing some sausage cultits to jump ship but MRD told me it was against the spirit of the game or against the rules and I agreed. I don't know who used the anonymous account device later in the game but it did disturb me a bit. Maybe someone could tell me if it's actually against Mafia rules to do that or if it can be done, for the future? :yes: That said, I have no hard feelings against anyone, it's just something I'd like to know.

I made a few mistakes in my cover. One of them was the ellipses and Renata called me out on it. I also made mistakes in strategizing, as I said, it would have probably been better to lose Seon that round and not even blow my cover that early. The Sausages would have probably killed classical and so on... I'm not going to spin this any further or I'll get upset with myself again ^^

There was also some bad luck involved. We lost DE on a tiebreaker. We recruited Renata who proved to be unreliable. Then we stole the one recruit from the sausages that wasn't really a recruit and now, in the end, it just figures that the switch back to classicall occured past the deadline. I can't remember everything but a lot can be read in our QT.

I do think that my mistakes in this game were much fewer than in my two other games as Mafia but in the end I'll just have to put this in my collection of "games I almost won".

Thanks everyone for playing and thanks for hosting ATPG! It was a fun game!

MVP: Renata - You were the one we couldn't fool. It seems you had your doubts in the end but your conviction was enough to push the town over the edge for the win. Very well played! :bow:

A few questions:
@Secura/Romanic: Why did you kill me? Did you actually figure me out as opposing cult leader and was it part of a strategy, thinking you might still win or was it basically retaliation?

@Seon: Why did you almost commit suicide the round we lynched Romanic?

@Romanic: Could we add a %losing list for the statistics? I'd like to make the top of at least something xD

[Secura]

Gah, I wanted to prolong MRD's suffering! Sorry to classical_hero, but I thought an alternate bandwagon might give the Pepperoni a slender hope of winning. :P


@Secura/Romanic: Why did you kill me? Did you actually figure me out as opposing cult leader and was it part of a strategy, thinking you might still win or was it basically retaliation?

Well, Romanic gave me three options for the kill, claiming that you were all possible candidates for the Pepperoni leadership; yourself, Major Robert Dump and classical_hero. It was I that chose who died after that point, and for me there was only ever one real option... I guess to most it would look like revenge, but it's so much more than that.

You see, by that point I'd been having doubts about your claims for a considerable amount of time; the way that we wasted a turn recruiting you back for what amounted to minimal information, your lack of posting in the opposing QuickTopic and how you posted/the Propagandist posted, the fact that there is no mention of me in your QuickTopic beyond brief consideration as a recruitment, your evasive nature during private conversations and your eventual switch to Romanic even when it was in better interests for you to maintain your little masquerade. You revealed your hand too early.

Regarding the "might still win", I knew from the start that we wouldn't; not only was it my first game as a cultist and the odds stacked against the cults, but the very nature of the game was deception (moreso than any other game I've played) and unfortunately I'm not all that good at it. I reiterated to Pizza several times that we would lose, so far as predicting myself as the first kill... but I didn't give up, I merely followed Romanic's lead for much of the game (hence why I was so ready to trust you, that was at Romanic's suggestion), and the only times I struck out on my own ended in disaster.

I think that a town victory was the best outcome, albeit the most boring due to the ease of it compared to winning as cult; I stand by what I said about the Pepperoni Leader's behaviour, there's no need for language like that, staged or otherwise.

[TheLastDays]

Well, Romanic gave me three options for the kill, claiming that you were all possible candidates for the Pepperoni leadership; yourself, Major Robert Dump and classical_hero. It was I that chose who died after that point, and for me there was only ever one real option... I guess to most it would look like revenge, but it's so much more than that.

You see, by that point I'd been having doubts about your claims for a considerable amount of time; the way that we wasted a turn recruiting you back for what amounted to minimal information, your lack of posting in the opposing QuickTopic and how you posted/the Propagandist posted, the fact that there is no mention of me in your QuickTopic beyond brief consideration as a recruitment, your evasive nature during private conversations and your eventual switch to Romanic even when it was in better interests for you to maintain your little masquerade. You revealed your hand too early.

As I stated, I realize I made quite a few mistakes in that aspect. I partially blame my uneasiness with lying in that way, especially in private conversations. I hope no one hates me for it and I don't think roles like this are a perfect match for me.


I think that a town victory was the best outcome, albeit the most boring due to the ease of it compared to winning as cult; I stand by what I said about the Pepperoni Leader's behaviour, there's no need for language like that, staged or otherwise.

I can't really comment on that. It was MRDs call. In the beginning I actually didn't think it was a good idea at all but then I realized that this infight with himself was probably what pushed him down below classical on your top suspect list. I agree though that the way of the argument was probably a bit over the top.

EDIT: I also wanted to state that my post about "retaliation" was merely a question because I wanted to know. It's fair enough I guess :yes:

[Major Robert Dump]

You said earlier I was undeserving of victory and you would explain it later, and then in your last post you said the language was uncalled for. Was that why? Seriously? Over a few F bombs?

[Secura]

As I stated, I realize I made quite a few mistakes in that aspect. I partially blame my uneasiness with lying in that way, especially in private conversations. I hope no one hates me for it and I don't think roles like this are a perfect match for me.

I think that you played rather well, given the circumstances... were it not for your sudden u-turn on Romanic, our early fears might never have resurfaced and you could have passed by without being our kill target. In that case, I'd have gone for MRD, as by that point he was going to be a thorn in the side regardless of his alignment.


You said earlier I was undeserving of victory and you would explain it later, and then in your last post you said the language was uncalled for. Was that why? Seriously? Over a few F bombs?

Actually, the reason why I believe that you were undeserving of victory is because the host was compliant in your deception; by intervening in the leader/Not MRD argument, which was apparantly staged entirely by you, Pizza made it look as though two elements of your cult were at loggerheads when that wasn't the case at all. Your little act gained alot of credibility as a result of his call for better behaviour and the threat of stopping the game.

But yes, despite the fact it was all staged, the F-bombs were uncalled for, as were the personal attacks; I like to think that you wouldn't talk to real mafia/cult partners in that way, though. :3

[classical_hero]

Who made the dummy account?

[TheLastDays]

Actually, the reason why I believe that you were undeserving of victory is because the host was compliant in your deception; by intervening in the leader/Not MRD argument, which was apparantly staged entirely by you, Pizza made it look as though two elements of your cult were at loggerheads when that wasn't the case at all. Your little act gained alot of credibility as a result of his call for better behaviour and the threat of stopping the game.


I just want to come to ATPGs defense here. I didn't really realize it but obviously ATPG thought that me and MRD were fighting in the QT. I didn't realize that until he asked me via MSN if we were doing alright and why we were fighting. I then explained to him but that was, obviously, after his posts in our QT.

[Secura]

I just want to come to ATPGs defense here.

There's really no need to defend Pizza, I have full faith in him and know that he would never have made those comments in your QT if he was aware of what was really going on.

It doesn't change the fact that his posts about the matter added a sense of validity to proceedings, though; prior to that, Romanic had told me that he felt the argument had been staged.

[Major Robert Dump]

ATPG wasn't complicit and he was aware that TLD and I were posting as one another on occasion and he had no way of knowing who was who. Furthermore, the argument was not mentioned in the other QT. I was very surprised when he intervened, and in no way have any control over what the host does.

As far as being a jerk to others in the QT, it was my way of setting the stage for MRD and TLD "the recruits" to eventually mutiny and to invoke sympathy from infiltrators into the QT. As I already stated, there was nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to illicit a recruit to stay loyal and I have no reason to believe that being Mr. Nice Boss would have kept anyone from betraying the cult. Nonetheless, I still wasn't going to kill my own recruits.

As far as the F bombs and language in general goes, I am sorry if it offends you, but it was a private QT. I knew it would be compromised, therefore my colorful language was a subtle middle finger for all prying eyes. Anyone special visitors who were offended could just not visit, but you all were just to interested in the trainwreck that you had to keep coming back.

**Also, the edit in the self-argument towards the end was me posting as the wrong person. apparently 2 ppl were subscribers who got emails, and I am curious who it was, as I was unable to edit the content/username of the message, only delete it. So I made the subsequent email as "whiny boss" to cover for the fact that the deleted one was "boss" so I could at least claim a typo if someone produced that email.

[Diamondeye]

I'd like to add some postgame commentaries but my dad just brought us pizza. True story.

[Secura]

ATPG wasn't complicit

He was though, even though he didn't realise it! His posts massively changed our perspective, because prior to that Romanic believed that the entire debacle was staged. This snippet from our private conversations shows Romanic stating that the whole thing had to be legit because of Pizza's intervention:

18/07/2011 22:05:08 Robert L. If it's a stage, ATPG participated in it, saying that he'll close the QT, this and that.
18/07/2011 22:05:22 Robert L. A host can't do that, or he would mislead the other players, so it can't be a stage
18/07/2011 22:05:32 L. Robert He intervened with the arguing
18/07/2011 22:05:46 L. Robert To him, it could look like genuine falling out
18/07/2011 22:05:56 Robert L. Ah, I guess

I think, in the end, we stuck with the belief that it was legit, but this was probably the only time I was right about anything over the course of the game; more often than not, I opposed Romanic's ideas, particularly when he wanted TLD lynched as soon as he learned my identity via the QT mistake, since I felt Roman was contradicting something he'd earlier stated to me, when he suggested I should trust TLD and keep talking to him privately. Really, if I had deferred to the better player alot more, things may have gone alot differently than they did. :3

Oh, and the language in the QuickTopic didn't particularly offend me, I just... don't see the point, really.

[TheLastDays]

I agree that it was an unfortunate turn of events in that ATPG confirmed a ruse without knowing. There was nothing to be done about it though. Maybe MRD shoul have notified the host of what he was about to do but that's all there could have been done.

As I stated above I knew your identity quite a bit before that QT mistake. That was an unfortunate event too though. When I said we (Pepperoni) were struck by bad luck at times I was actually not implying that you (Sausage) were lucky, quite the opposite. I guess in the cult vs. cult setting we were more favoured by luck but in the overall course of events I'd say the town was fortuna's favourite this game :wink:

[Diamondeye]

I'd like to add some postgame commentaries but my dad just brought us pizza. True story.

Back. Mine had PEPPERONI on it. And enough Garlic to kill off a thousand rats.

Also, this is my 2000th post, woohoo :beam:

[Secura]

As I stated above I knew your identity quite a bit before that QT mistake.

Because I typed in proper English, right? I'll pretend to be American more often. :P


Also, this is my 2000th post, woohoo :beam:

Congratulations. :bow:

[Renata]

I would like the thank TLD for being such a good sport and giving me solid intel on who the other cult leaders were. He was spot on, for reasons I won't go in to. It was his idea to pose as a recruit to our own cult, which is why we initially outed Renata, that way we could justify outing TLD and making him recruit bait for the Sausages.

Still haven't survived a mafia game

GG (except you Renata, you are a jerk face)

I wear it with pride.

Ironically I would have been much more likely to work with you if not for that ruse in which you made my name public -- as I mentioned in my Sausage QT one time I think, it made it all but impossible for me to work with you, because I had no safe way of telling you when I had been recruited to the other side.

I did try with Romanic and Secura with their setup, but they woudln't give me what I wanted.

[Secura]

I did try with Romanic and Secura with their setup, but they woudln't give me what I wanted.

I'm sorry, but I don't have a clue what you mean; what did you want from us, exactly?

I'm guessing it must have been something that Romanic was unwilling to budge on, whatever it was. :S

[classical_hero]

Can someone link the Sausage QT?

[Secura]

Can someone link the Sausage QT?

This (http://quicktopic.com/46/H/AfdXvqNtm52mU) is the original QuickTopic, though it's mostly me either getting things wrong or attempting to mislead recruits, with TheLastDays attempting to mislead me in turn. :laugh4:

The second QuickTopic is here (http://quicktopic.com/46/H/u9uLNf4eG8c), though it's not as interesting as Romanic and I had taken all discussions onto MSN by that point and it became completely defunct once TLD's deception became apparant.

[TheLastDays]

Congrats, DE! :bow:


Because I typed in proper English, right? I'll pretend to be American more often. :P


Yep, that was part of it. Other parts were your post times that suggested Europe and your mentioning of Seon announcing his inactivity in the Lassara OOC thread. I figured that not many non-players would read that OOC thread. The rest was intuition until you opened that QT.

Also, where's the Sausage QT with Renata? :P

[Secura]

Also, where's the Sausage QT with Renata? :P

I'm afraid I don't have it saved to My Topics. :3

[Renata]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Kak6bUTH6JcXK

[Romanic]

@Romanic: Could we add a %losing list for the statistics? I'd like to make the top of at least something xD
I decided against showing the "worse of" lists because not everyone likes to appear in these lists and I don't want to discourage anyone from playing here. These stats are meant to be fun.

You wouldn't appear anyway, not enough games yet (you need 10).


I'm sorry, but I don't have a clue what you mean; what did you want from us, exactly?

I'm guessing it must have been something that Romanic was unwilling to budge on, whatever it was. :S
Renata wanted information. Unclear if she would have been satisfied until we revealed our identities to her. Anyway, in a game like this, you cannot satisfy a recruitable player this way. Renata was being difficult because she's like that. You won't get a candy until you gave her one first. :laugh4:

[Romanic]

ATPG - I'll be waiting for you to list the winners before entering this game in the database. I'm not sure who was what in the end, and if the remaining Pepperonis are considered to have reverted back to Town, since the last lynch ended the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

1) Amazingly, ONLY DIAMONDEYE died while actually cult.... everyone else was de-converted or not converted before their deaths, other than the cult leaders!

That's a sad point for Diamondeye, as technically that makes him the only townie to lose the game; but cults are cults.

2) I had no clue the fight was staged between Dump and himself. The fact that he fooled me about it makes me kinda glad he's dead. :laugh4:

No trick game host. Bad mojo.

[Major Robert Dump]

Yeah but at least it was funny. I accused myself of having white trash kids. Comic gold.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah but at least it was funny. I accused myself of having white trash kids. Comic gold.

Oh, entertaining and very amusing, indeed.

You're a strange one, Major Dump. You're the king of kooky thoughts.

*breaks into a Grinch-like song*

[robbiecon]

Yay, I was on the winning side. Surprised I wasn't killed off, to be true. Which of my de-converts were actually successful?

[Renata]

This was a very strange game for me. I realized quite early that as a recruitable townie (and one who was never town in the game except for the first and last days of it), I had next to no incentive to do *anything* until the kills started -- I mean, what were the cults going to do against me if I was a pain in the tush? Throw rotten tomatoes? So I voted with my cult when it seemed I could do so without drawing too much negative attention, and when I couldn't, I just did nothing.

I've mentioned how TLD and MRD's use of my name in the Pepperoni QT hamstrung me with respect to them. It meant that, unless they were willing to out themselves to me (or potentially, if they gave me a new private QT link upon some future re-recruiting), I could never be of any real use to them in terms of information (unless in a single definitive move, which never materialized). I found that frustrating. When I was finally recruited to the Sausage Cult and given both private QT *and* a code name, I thought great, I'll work for this side instead, and I started pushing for information.

As I mentioned to Romanic at one point but could never really get into, I wasn't directly looking to know who the cult leaders were. Above all else I wanted to pick the winning side. And that meant I needed to know how each side was doing, with respect to each other and to the town. I would have been willing to work for a side that both had an effective plan and could find some way to include me in it, even if I might be temporarily recruited elsewhere once or twice. Romanic and Secura apparently either misunderstood me or couldn't figure out how to give me what I wanted (I'm not sure to what extent it was possible at all, given the setup), so when I was recruited right back to Pepperoni the next night I went with it. Romanic ultimately did claim to me, but his cult's weakness was too obvious and I didn't think I could win with them.

So I said what I said in public, and poof, when I woke up in the morning I was town again, and the sausage cult was gone. I spent most of the first "half" of the day prodding MRD for signs of pepperoni strength or weakness, then finally went looking -- for the first time all game -- for whom my erstwhile Pepperoni bosses actually were. When I figured that out, the way to go was obvious.

I enjoyed posing as the town recruiter, though. As everyone knows who got a PM from me, my point in doing so was just as a failsafe -- I was thinking that, with the town recruiter still alive and having shot straight the previous night (with me) while the Pepperonis had killed, that town had the better odds of victory even if I was wrong about MRD. So I wanted to die town. I could potentially cause the latter to happen and ensure the former by fooling the pepperonis about my role.

I still don't know who the town recruiter was.

[Renata]

Ah, it was you, robbie! I was, obviously.

[robbiecon]

Ah, good, good. I think I may have actually attempted to de-convert you earlier on as well.

[Renata]

If so I was never notified. I guess you must all have had priority rules in place to avoid simultaneous recruitment.

[robbiecon]

Did you start off as town? Perhaps I tried to de-convert you when you were a townie.

[Diamondeye]

(You know the tune)
"Don't cry for me I gooooot piiizza!"

[Renata]

Did you start off as town? Perhaps I tried to de-convert you when you were a townie.

I started off as town, was converted to Pepperoni the first night, then remained Pepperoni for a time. The last three nights were Sausage, Pepperoni, and town conversions, respectively.

[robbiecon]

I started off as town, was converted to Pepperoni the first night, then remained Pepperoni for a time. The last three nights were Sausage, Pepperoni, and town conversions, respectively.

You really were the center of attention!

[TheLastDays]

You wouldn't appear anyway, not enough games yet (you need 10).


Just a matter of time :laugh4:


Yay, I was on the winning side. Surprised I wasn't killed off, to be true. Which of my de-converts were actually successful?

When should we have killed you? We were able to get in one kill and that needed to be the other cult :wink:


I would have been willing to work for a side that both had an effective plan and could find some way to include me in it, even if I might be temporarily recruited elsewhere once or twice.

When you sent me the PM about where your bread was buttered I pondered for a moment to reveal to you and tell you I knew the sausage cult would die that night. I don't think the town would have figured us out without your help but I didn't know you had already found my identity at that point and, obviously, I didn't expect to get killed that night. Ah well... no point in asking "what if?" I really should start hosting games, I can't possibly lose then, can I? :laugh4:

[Renata]

At that point it wouldn't have mattered; with your death and my de-conversion there was no contest in the "what's best for Renata" competition.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Interesting game. I feel bad that I had to leave.

[TheLastDays]

At that point it wouldn't have mattered; with your death and my de-conversion there was no contest in the "what's best for Renata" competition.

Yeah, I figured as much. The turning point was probably the round we lynched Romanic. I should have left my vote on Seon, even if it had meant to lose a recruit (which wasn't the case anyway). We could have killed them off later without me becoming a kill target.

[Major Robert Dump]

Interesting game. I feel bad that I had to leave.

You were our second to last recruit. Obviously, that would not have done us any good had you stayed and would have likley made us demise earlier

Just real bad luck with Renata. I had a wierd feeling about her being converted back to town, even mentioned it in the PM to her I think. I can't believe she lied to me....in a mafia game even