The Norwegian Taliban v2

[HoreTore]

I used this thread title before and that time I was fooled by sources who lied, but I can assure you this time it's no lie. Linky is in Norwegian of course, try google translate and see if it makes sense.

http://ipad.dagbladet.no/2011/07/10/nyheter/innenriks/voldtekt/mobbing/sosiale_medier/17243437/

I give you the town of Namsos. It likes to portray itself as the country's rock capitatol due to some old farts who wrote crappy songs, but in reality it's just a collection of ignorant peasants, as this story proves.

Two women, or girls rather, aged 15 and 16 were raped by a 20-year old. The one who has chosen to tell her story was home alone when the rapist showed up at her house, dragged her by the hair to her bedroom and raped her. That's unfortunately not what makes this a town of retards, rapes happen in every town unfortunately. No, what gives the town the gold medal in the ignorant olympics is the reaction of the rapists friends.

Almost immediatly after the girl reported the rape last year, his friends started their terror campaign. As most young norwegian girls nowadays, she had a blog. That one was spammed with hate messages, calling her a whore, a liar and a slut. She was raped in the summer vacation before starting on a new high school, and her family believed that a new enviroment would help her recovery. Fat chance, within weeks of the school start, people distributed fliers at the school saying that she was lying about the rape. Groups were started on facebook in support of the rapist. At his trial, about 20-30 of his friends ditched school and attended the trial, making it perfectly clear what they thought about the trial through body language, while simultanously twittering and updating their facebooks with hate messages. The judge, both lawyers attending and the prosecutor had to tell them to behave. The other girl had a brick thrown through her window the night after the rapist was sentenced to five years in prison.

On the plus side, their behaviour is likely to be investigated for interfering with the justice system(not sure how to translate the law in question).

No need to go to Afghanistan to find Taliban morals, a quick trip to rural Norway is enough. I'm sickened.

[Rhyfelwyr]

More info needed, are this guys supporters saying that this girl somehow 'asked for it', or are they denying that there was any sexual contact?

[HoreTore]

More info needed, are this guys supporters saying that this girl somehow 'asked for it', or are they denying that there was any sexual contact?

The article doesn't say.

But as they're calling her a slut, my guess would be that they believe it was consensual.

[Kralizec]

I'm fairly sure that I've read about this before, when it just went to court...either that, or it's an extremely uncanny case of deja vu.

Sickening, but I'm not sure if the Taliban comparison sticks. The Taliban would argue that the guy had every right to rape her, or at least can be excused, while the girl should be stoned for putting herself in a situation where she ended up being raped...or something like that. In this case the perpetrator's friends seem convinced that he didn't do it.

[HoreTore]

They seem convinced that she was willing, because they see her as a slut. Thus, the guy had every right.

The taliban believe that women who engage in sex are whores, and as such the man is only guilty of falling for the whores seduction. I don't see enough of a difference to be comfortable.

[Cute Wolf]

I feel very sorry for that girl for two reasons.

1) I know we, men, and our gang of "brotherhood" can sometimes do things beyond logic in the name of "brotherhood", and we're capable and often willing to gamble our lives for our best friends' sake, no matter how wrong they are.

2) and men can be sometimes very very manipulative, we can do something bad, only to construct elaborate lies that only God knows the truth. A story of girl alone in her house maybe hard to be twisted, but they could simply said the girl invite the boy in, that was cosensual, and she regret later. Of course, even if the girl come to the boy's home, if she was unwilling to do anything xxx, initially, it was philosophically a rape. And you can bet that some guys can set a very elaborate lies to make the girl seemed as a slut, despite it was the boy's fault.

[Adrian II]

Under the Taliban the girl wouldn't even have a Facebook account, there wouldn't even be a court case and very soon there wouldn't even be a girl any more.

AII

[HoreTore]

Under the Taliban the girl wouldn't even have a Facebook account, there wouldn't even be a court case and very soon there wouldn't even be a girl any more.

AII

So you have no problems with gangs of people terrorizing a rape victim?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Under the Taliban the girl wouldn't even have a Facebook account, there wouldn't even be a court case and very soon there wouldn't even be a girl any more.

AIIThis, in effect, is what the mob is trying to achieve in Norway too. Thus Taliban.

[Fragony]

This, in effect, is what the mob is trying to achieve in Norway too. Thus Taliban.

Same mentality at least, destroy what doesn't suit you. Nasty story

[Strike For The South]

Misundestading of geo-political trends is misunderstanding

I also heard some muslims have college degrees can I state an irrelvant thread about them next?

IS IT MY TURN YET

[Adrian II]

So you have no problems with gangs of people terrorizing a rape victim?

Oh great, the old non sequitur.

End of discussion. ~:wave:

AII

[Andres]

So, you have idiots in Norway too. What a surprise :coffeenews:

A good thing you don't live under a Taleban regime or this girl would have been stoned to dead already. Luckily, she lives in Norway, where they have court rooms, judges and modern legislation.

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't really lump police appeasement of a vocal minority in a country they refuse to assimilate in as being a geo-political trend.

Now, 2nd generation immigrant children often develop social problems, civil unrest, refusing to assimilate to host country, etc, that is a geo-politcal trend. And the way you deal with that trend is that when they get out of line you turn the hoses on them and put them in jail, like so many other western countries have effectively done, so if their refusal to assimilate turns into anything other than a peaceful sub culture they will be getting their testicles chewed off by police dogs.

The way you don't handle it is mentioned above.

I would like to see more examples, though, other than the ones of which I am already aware.

[HoreTore]

Oh great, the old non sequitur.

End of discussion. ~:wave:

AII

No, Adrian. I know you don't believe that terrorizing rape victims is OK. Just like you know I didn't mean the taliban comparison literally.

@MRD: not quite sure I get what you're talking about....

[Fragony]

No, Adrian. I know you don't believe that terrorizing rape victims is OK. Just like you know I didn't mean the taliban comparison literally.

It's an ok comparison imho, if it is exactly the same thing there is no reason to compare in the first place. Rural places are backward, highly relgious, intolerant and hypocrite, in various degrees of course as Norway ain't Afghanistan

[Adrian II]

[...] you know I didn't mean the taliban comparison literally.

I didn't. But I do now.

The point is that none us if was there on that night. Hopefully that judge can establish more or less what happened. Girls can make false rape accusations. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened in a rural area with old-fashioned mores; she may have invited the boy in, had sex with him, then back-tracked and filed the accusation.

Anyway, this is not about premarital sex - which would probably mean death under teh Taliban. That's the difference. This is a 'he said-she said' thing. Emotions may run high for various reasons and may or may not be justified; it's bad to be raped, it's also bad to be falsely accused of rape.

AII

[Fragony]

These communities can absolutely be called local Taliban. Isn't it all so very relative. I think I get the Viking here

[Strike For The South]

Only b/c both of you see what you want to see instead of what is

Tunnel vision my tulip

[Fragony]

Only b/c both of you see what you want to see instead of what is

Tunnel vision my tulip

When these hands aren't folded where you can see them, check your pockets.Trust me I'm from there.

[HoreTore]

It's an ok comparison imho, if it is exactly the same thing there is no reason to compare in the first place. Rural places are backward, highly relgious, intolerant and hypocrite, in various degrees of course as Norway ain't Afghanistan

I've grown up with the labour party being called communist this and communist that. Of course Stoltenberg(our PM) isn't Stalin, but labour has done some chilling things in the past, and I don't see a problem with comparing them to the USSR when they act like powerhungry morons. It's along those lines that I made my Taliban comparison.

Also, we agree so often these days that we definitely should start a political party.

@Adrian: the judge has already figured it out and sentenced him to five years in prison. If you're not familiar with norwegian levels of punishment, I should point out that 5 years is a heavy sentence, and in a rape case it will have to be a degree of violence and premeditation. So in other words, the judge found that the guy had planned to rape both of them, that this was his intent for coming there and that he used force(or threatened to use force) to make them comply.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So you had some idiot children call the poor girls names, a fact which everyone of import ignored and the rapist got a custodial sentence. I fail to see the problem.

At 17 I intervened when a local bully tried to stop a girl getting off a bus - he took exception (we had bad history) and he headbutted me after his attempt to catch my solar plexis failed to drop me. Needless to say, I crashed back into my seat, there was blood everywhere and I had a smashed lip, I was fortunate not to break my nose or lose teeth.

He was arrested, cautioned and spent an afternoon in the cells. He still told the cops I punched him, when what I actually did was bodily pull him out of his seat. He also told people at college I was the one arrested, some believed him and even more irritating some of the boys shunned me because I called the police (actually my father did, after taking one look at me).

I actually lost friends over the incident!

People are idiots, move on.

[Fragony]

'Also, we agree so often these days that we definitely should start a political party.'

Would be the weirdest political party ever but it isn't even that stupid an idea in theory, you need both your hands to wash your back Will inevitability lead to a two party system though, our disdain towards religion would backfire into a countermovement, Maybe later

[Major Robert Dump]

Only b/c both of you see what you want to see instead of what is

Tunnel vision my tulip

Then tell us what we are wrong about

[Strike For The South]

Then tell us what we are wrong about

Adrain does it with less spelling mistakes and self rightoues indignation.

It's 11:29 and OU still sucks

[Major Robert Dump]

What's an OU?