EBOT 2011 August

[vartan]

Update [3 August 2011]: Fair play rules have been reworded. See this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136931-EBOT-2011-August&p=2053353519&viewfull=1#post2053353519) in this thread for more information.

Update [2 August 2011]: Mounted general's bodyguard units do not count toward any limits (i.e., cavalry and heavy cavalry limits).

Update [30 July 2011]: EDU v2.1.1 is ready. Download it here (http://ebonline.tk/files/EBO MP EDU 2.1.1.zip) (or by clicking on the EDU link below the tournament title). Changes log can be found upon installation inside the "mp edu game backup" folder.

Note [24 July 2011]: I have simplified the EBOT original post write-up and have also put back in the Team Battles, primarily since no significant number of them seem to have taken place in an experimental, separate 2v2 thread for July.

Europa Barbarorum Online Tournament 2011 August
EBO MP EDU v2.1.1 (http://ebonline.tk/files/EBO MP EDU 2.1.1.zip)

Points
Win = +1 point
Loss = -1 point

There are two sets of points: player and factional. This is how we determine the top players and top factions every month.

Team Battles
Team battles must have an equal number of players on either side (i.e., 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4). Each winning player will receive +1 point, each losing player -1 point.

Registering
Players may register any time during the month. Reply with your faction of choice. You may only change your faction if you have not played any tournament battles yet that month.

Replays
The winner must upload and submit replays by posting links to the replays here in the form of a reply. Remember to state who you played against. Only winners are allowed to post replays so as to avoid duplicates.

Jury
Tournaments have both players as well as Jury members. Players cannot act as Jury members and vice versa. The Jury is a council that adjudicates cases of conflict and protest. Three cases of cheating and the player in question is removed from the month's tournament and his score contribution removed from the factional score. To be a Jury member you must state below that you wish to be so. Remember: This means you will not participate as a player and will solely make yourself available to review replays for cases of protest and conflict. There presumably will not be too many of these, so it should not be much of a work load. All Jury members are respected and admired for their contribution. Thank you all.

For more information, visit our website at www.ebonline.tk (http://www.ebonline.tk/). Email us at contact@ebonline.tk for any concerns, questions or suggestions.

Networks
EB Online #1 (non-tournament)
Network ID: 031-664-896
Password: eb

EB Online #2 (tournament)
Network ID: 041-531-937
Password: eb

EBOT 2011 August Score Report Schedule
6 September 2011
Info
https://i.imgur.com/NeJso.png
Score
https://i.imgur.com/utTv8.png

Registered Players



Faction
Name



Lusotannan
BraveSirRobin



Getai
Burebista



Koinon Hellenon
Kival



Epeiros
Nicanor



Pontos
prankstr



Makedonia
stormrage



SPQR
Vega

[Lazy O]

Mmmmmmmmmm.... Imma wait for the EDU before deciding faction this time :D Do not want to repeat July Disaster.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I believe we are staying with v2.1 as Vartan's post seems to imply this.

[Lazy O]

I am taking Seleukids then, just found out Pontus has no answer to cataphracts beside chariots :D

[Vega]

Hmm well this is great news that we will have another tourney in August, and I think that i will continue playing with Romani, exception will be maybe Pontos or Aedui but must to see the status of mercenary phalanx in roman roster :inquisitive:

[antisocialmunky]

I'll be Makedonia so I can see what all this 'Mak UP stuff' is about.

[vartan]

I believe we are staying with v2.1 as Vartan's post seems to imply this.
Most likely. Here's a quote from my last post (http://www.ebonline.tk/2011/07/24/2011-august/) on the website.

Unless further notified, we will be using EBO MP EDU v2.1 just as we did for July.
I know, not much elaboration there, but it means unless someone's hair is on fire, we're using v2.1 (sorry, that's just an expression I remember from an early high school teacher).

[antisocialmunky]

You must be careful when you have to work need fire like in a cave.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I am taking Seleukids then, just found out Pontus has no answer to cataphracts beside chariots :D

Awww, I was going to use Seleucids for August. We won't be able to battle if I do. I will have to think this over now....

[Lazy O]

I suggest you do take Seleucids, we can post 10 Carthage vs Gaul battles in the friendly section :P

[-Stormrage-]

you 2 can play team battles together.

[Lazy O]

He is seriously considering a faction name beginning with p ;) Beware

[gamegeek2]

Tentatively signing up as Pontos.

[-Stormrage-]

I forgot GG2 even played.

I just wanted to check , this is the "anything goes tourney" right?

Rules:

- 8 phalanx max

- 5 Merc max

[Vega]

Ok i decied that i am Pontos too :DD

[Lazy O]

No storm, we are still using the old rules.

[-Stormrage-]

No were not

[Lazy O]

Oh yes we are. This is not balanced enough to warrant no rules.

[-Stormrage-]

We discussed this before, Remember my quality or quantity crap.

[Lazy O]

Funny that you are the only one who seems to have that problem.

[-Stormrage-]

ASM agreed as well.

your the only one who rejected the idea.

[antisocialmunky]

What did I agree to?

[-Stormrage-]

oops, busted.


No rules for tourney except max 8 phalanx and max 5 mercs. remember?

[gamegeek2]

WHat about my new suggested rules? A bit more lax than previous ones on max, except for steppe phalanx ban.

[gamegeek2]

Changed my mind: sign me up as Pahlava for now.

[antisocialmunky]

Can we use GG2's ruleset? Its going to be murderously imba for barbs but it should be interesting. 10 mercs for Carthage and unlimited skirms for Iberia?

[vartan]

Pardon me for not being so clear. EBO MP EDU v2.1, same factional unit lists, same AC rules, same fair-play rules. The only thing that is tentative at all is EDU v2.1 which may or may not be dropped in August for the use of a v2.1.1 for the sake of minor fixes. The month of August will be played with what the players of July are all too familiar with. The same month of August will simultaneously be a time to actually put in the time necessary to test and tweak what will eventually be EDU v2.2. I hope there will not be a need to repeat this post unnecessarily.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Actually Lazy, I'm not leaving the eurobarbs without a representative. I will be signing up as the Lusotann.

[-Stormrage-]

Lusotann !!! Seriosly!?!?

I have a feeling robin will be the most popular player " FARM " in the august Tourney.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Lusotann !!! Seriosly!?!?

I have a feeling robin will be the most popular player " FARM " in the august Tourney.

Storm, I will be happy to let you "Farm" me next month. We will see how that goes.

[-Stormrage-]

Storm, I will be happy to let you "Farm" me next month. We will see how that goes.


LOOL nice comeback.

[antisocialmunky]

Storm, I will be happy to let you "Farm" me next month. We will see how that goes.

Not if I can help it. I'm Mak, the prices are borked and Mak has never worked that great at 36K (They are imba at 40K).

[Lazy O]

Actually I take back my statement, if some small fixes to the levy phalanx and some other stuff applies, Mak should be on par with other factions.

[-Stormrage-]

Macedon is a great faction except for the fact they dont have good cheap line infantry.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Well Deuteroi are too expensive compared to panda. Me and Lazy tested and there is no noticeable difference between the two except that Panda fares better i melee due to the axe. With guard off, Deuteroi lose to Panda. Stat-wise, Deuteroi are technically superior, but this doesn't bear itself out in battle scenarios.

Also, shouldn't Deuteroi be either considerably better or at least cheaper than Panda? These were Greeks fighting for Greeks, not a foreign levy with very few ties or allegiances to their alien overlords.

And by alien I mean foreign of course.:clown:

[Ludens]

Also, shouldn't Deuteroi be either considerably better or at least cheaper than Panda? These were Greeks fighting for Greeks, not a foreign levy with very few ties or allegiances to their alien overlords.

True, but in life-or-death combat, everybody fights to the best of their ability. Motivation should be reflected in morale, not fighting skill. The Deuteroi represent a levy of not-very-affluent land-owners that was only called in times of extreme danger. I doubt they were particularly well-trained or experienced.

[Lazy O]

Im changing faction . VIVA LA QART HADAST!!!

[The Celtic Viking]

Then I'll take the Seleucids.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

True, but in life-or-death combat, everybody fights to the best of their ability. Motivation should be reflected in morale, not fighting skill. The Deuteroi represent a levy of not-very-affluent land-owners that was only called in times of extreme danger. I doubt they were particularly well-trained or experienced.

I'm talking about morale mainly. Panda had little to lose in battle except their lives. Deuteroi would lose their homes if fighting an invader.

[Lazy O]

Im pretty sure the Panda was not a simple begger on a street and had a home worth defending but I agree they should have lower morale.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Well yes, but the Panda would be Syrians, Babylonians, Persians, etc. The victorious army would be simply looking to overthrow the ruling Greek dynasty and then draft those same Pantadapoi into THEIR army. Deuteroi had cultural ties to the ruling class.

[-Stormrage-]

You guys know nothing about the panda, its sad really.

Here this should help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_panda

Personally i think it should get an increase in damage due to this newly found evidence:
"Though the panda is often assumed to be docile, it has been known to attack humans, presumably out of irritation rather than predation."

I dont know why you call me unintelligent.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I have never insulted your intelligence Storm. In any event we were getting off topic. Let's leave the thread for declarations of player factions and the actual results.

[-Stormrage-]

i Know i was talking about someone else, it was designed to be a joke , i dont really care if someone insults me.

[gamegeek2]

I have never insulted your intelligence Storm. In any event we were getting off topic. Let's leave the thread for declarations of player factions and the actual results.

Im disappointed in you, Robin. You are a native English speaker, and you didnt get that obvious sarcasm?

[vartan]

Im disappointed in you, Robin. You are a native English speaker, and you didnt get that obvious sarcasm?
When you are so heavily immersed in such an appealing spectacle as EB Online, you don't have any room to detect such petty things as sarcasm.

P.S. Don't touch my pandas!

[antisocialmunky]

The main issue with Maks is they won't win a fight where there are scary units supporting phalanx unless they take Hysteroi or silvershields.

[Lazy O]

I seem to have forgotten to put up the Makedon discussion...

[gamegeek2]

Pezh might deserve higher morale, but the discipline cut was to make sure they actually rout when surrounded, which they werent really doing before unless a scary was present.

[Kival]

Wrong thread ;-). Please discuss this in one of the EDU threads.

[antisocialmunky]

The thing about discipline IIRC is that they aren't effected by non-disciplined routers. So it tends to be a rout-splosion. :\

[Vega]

Well i just have to say that i will not play with pontos I will play with romans again... :clown: Reason : "first love can never be forgotten" LMAO :laugh4:

[gamegeek2]

Munky I assure you, Makedon will be made more playable with the next patch, as will Epeiros, there will be a Deuteroi fix to make them worth their additional cost compared with pandas.

[-Stormrage-]

Munky I assure you, Makedon will be made more playable with the next patch

So there will be an EDU v2.2 for august ?

[Kival]

If Vega chooses Romani, I'll play Koinon Hellenon.

[Vega]

Kival if you want romans choose them i can change faction only point is that someone have to choose them in every tourney they must be most playable faction in all tourney :DDD

[antisocialmunky]

Munky I assure you, Makedon will be made more playable with the next patch, as will Epeiros, there will be a Deuteroi fix to make them worth their additional cost compared with pandas.

I was doing a dramatic impression of Lazy O.

[vartan]

Please take the debates and nonsense to the EDU thread. We will be using v2.1.1 for August. I will be releasing that soon enough.

EDIT: EDU v2.1.1 ready. Download it here (http://ebonline.tk/files/EBO%20MP%20EDU%202.1.1.zip).

[The Celtic Viking]

Switching to Pontos.

[-Stormrage-]

EDU v2.1.1 ready.

WTH this think just add +2 attack for skirmishers. What happened to all the balance Changes we were discussing. There is an everlasting supply of paragraphs and Essays talking about EDU changes in the "EDU Balance Proposals Thread"
What about GG's changes.

[antisocialmunky]

2.2.

[Nicanor]

I'll be playing as the Epirotes

[Lazy O]

THese were just some quick fixes vartan could do himself. The rest will be done later.

[vartan]

Spoiler: There probably won't be a v2.2. That means future changes are looking to be a drastic deviation and as gg2 mentioned, a ways of making obsolete all gameplay rules.

[antisocialmunky]

3.0?

[Kival]

Yep.

[-Stormrage-]

NICE :D

[vartan]

Update: Mounted general's bodyguard units do not count toward any limits (i.e., cavalry and heavy cavalry limits).

[Kival]

The first match has been played, my brave greeks repelled the evil romans from vega ;-)

http://www.mediafire.com/?cu71d0cy6rrfvdo

[Kival]

Come on guys, you need to fight, too. ;-)

[antisocialmunky]

Update: Mounted general's bodyguard units do not count toward any limits (i.e., cavalry and heavy cavalry limits).

Can I take 10?

[-Stormrage-]

Good Question, it didnt occur to me.

I geuss vartan would say , An army had only one general therefore bringing 10 generals would be ahistorical.

[Kival]

Can I take 10?

I would say: Do it, it will not help you.

[Lazy O]

I would say: Do it, against me so I get a free point.

[Burebista]

sign me up as the.......Getai.

About time i represented my ancestors.

[-Stormrage-]

Im Macedon.

[vartan]

Can I take 10?
By all means. Bittersweet suicide.

[The Celtic Viking]

I'm going to be Getai as well.

[Kival]

By all means. Bittersweet suicide.

To be precise I'm not sure, if that's true for cataphract and similar cavalry too. Though nobody reasonable would use more than one or two general units, I suppose.

[antisocialmunky]

Im Macedon.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIII?!?

[vartan]

The fair-play rules have been reworded. Here are the key points:

When charging toward an enemy unit with your cavalry and infantry, you must charge cavalry first. Not infantry first. Not cavalry and infantry stacked. That's tantamount to charging through your own men.
You may move cavalry through phalanxes just as you would through other units, the only exception being a unit with phalanx mode enabled. Previously, you were unable to even move your cavalry through a phalanx mode disabled unit if it was in tight formation.
There is a crucial line that is drawn for when you may or may not turn your phalanx unit to meet an oncoming enemy unit. Simply put, if that enemy unit is already in 'charging' status as it approaches your unit, you may not turn to meet it unfairly. If the enemy has not reached close enough to be 'charging' you, then you may indeed turn to anticipate its charge.
Finally, and possibly most importantly, the issue of whether or not you can re-use pikes if you have already used the phalanx's secondary weapon. Yes, you may. Here is the catch. While you are in melee with your secondary (be it axe, sword, or whatever), you may not re-enable phalanx mode for obvious purposes. But you may re-enable phalanx mode once your phalanx unit has been removed from the melee (be it by routing the enemy or simply by you retreating the phalanx).

Ask away if you have any questions regarding these changes.

Rules in their original text:
http://www.ebonline.tk/rules/

[Burebista]

I'm going to be Getai as well.

Interesting....first time that we have 2 Getai players. Looking forward to exchanging strats.

[Lazy O]

I have added some more maps that we can use for multiplayer. Just copy the file into the EB data folder. Scroll down and you will see them, prefixed with MP.


http://www.mediafire.com/?d8418y64ivn21lk

[vartan]

If somebody doesn't have that map pack and tries to play back the replay file, what will happen?

[Lazy O]

They dont need to have it, they can still watch the replay. Its just one file, does not mess with any of your game files.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

2nd battle of the tournament ends with a victory for the tenacious Lusitanians over Kival's effeminate Greeks. http://www.mediafire.com/?3oavidgeaumwkpf

[vartan]

They dont need to have it, they can still watch the replay. Its just one file, does not mess with any of your game files.
Thanks. That's all that matters. As long as people in the future who may not have such a map pack can still load and watch those replays, then that's completely fine. I'm asking because the only thing I note for each month's tournament replay packs is which EDU was used.

[Kival]

Burebista's Getai beat my greeks. Nasty runners! ;-)

http://www.mediafire.com/?4pl9e1o9azayow6

[Burebista]

First victory against Kival's greeks . Forgot to save the replay though.

Kival , can u confirm this? (nevermind , ur too fast:))

[prankstr]

I'll be joining as Pontos

[Nicanor]

Victory vs Prankstr
http://www.mediafire.com/?e0fqvvfxyc570qb

[vartan]

I'll be joining as Pontos
Welcome to our Mad House prankstr. Good to see a fresh recruit join the ranks! Just don't be prankin' us now!

[Burebista]

The Getai strike again , this time against Storms Mak's.

http://www.mediafire.com/?vrhqy14a3cv3n8m

Lets see: Maks check , KH check , that leaves the Romans , Boii , Skithai & Basternae as my country's enemies.

Boii anyone? :))

[Burebista]

1 more before sleep

Victory against Prankster 's Pontic armies.

http://www.mediafire.com/?6ru5j3t9un5bf03

Must say , that rly felt like a Pontic army and less of a successor army.

[Lazy O]

You forget me Bure ;)

[Vega]

So bad played with cav but i grab win here vs Prankstr :D http://www.mediafire.com/?mhkdnxqawvkyhhd

[Burebista]

Don't get why Pankstr didn't win matches. Against me he was rly good and flexible. I guess bad luck , but that will pass

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Did well in his very first mp match against me too. It takes a while to learn, I lost my first 6 of my first 7 tournament matches I think.

[vartan]

Did well in his very first mp match against me too. It takes a while to learn, I lost my first 6 of my first 7 tournament matches I think.
It takes a while to adjust to the different style of battle against humans as opposed to the AI. That's probably why you might want to play some 'serious' friendlies before playing tournament matches, unless you're quite ambitious.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

It takes a while to adjust to the different style of battle against humans as opposed to the AI. That's probably why you might want to play some 'serious' friendlies before playing tournament matches, unless you're quite ambitious.

Agreed. Good choice with Pontos though Prankstr. Very adaptable army with strong options in missiles, cavalry, and infantry. Learning curve for them won't be as steep as some other factions.

[Kival]

A victory for my greeks against Nicanor's barbaric epirotes ;-):

http://www.mediafire.com/?tgtg07abffxztpb

[prankstr]

I guess my biggest problem now is that i cant use those phalanxes well against human players. Against AI one could just keep them in 1 line and wait for them to attack and just flank them easily, so I dont really know what to do with them yet :P

[Vega]

I guess my biggest problem now is that i cant use those phalanxes well against human players. Against AI one could just keep them in 1 line and wait for them to attack and just flank them easily, so I dont really know what to do with them yet :P Well you choose Pontos so use friendlies to improve your skills with phalanx in tourney if you think that you are not good yet you can play with good heavy infratry they have good infratry so you can mix them with archers and cav :DD

[prankstr]

Here's my first victory over Vega

http://www.mediafire.com/?qyfq4zr924lpbgi

[Vega]

Here's my first victory over Vega

http://www.mediafire.com/?qyfq4zr924lpbgi That battle totally anrgy me so stupid mistakes in making roster bah i will try to forget this

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

Hi guys, I would participate as SPQR!

[Lazy O]

More Romans to the slaughter !! Hail ! Hail!!

[Kival]

I guess my biggest problem now is that i cant use those phalanxes well against human players. Against AI one could just keep them in 1 line and wait for them to attack and just flank them easily, so I dont really know what to do with them yet :P

You don't need to use phalangites with Pontos ;-). There are some clever ways to use them but nearly all of them feel kinda awkward. You need to think out of the box with phalangites.

[vartan]

I guess my biggest problem now is that i cant use those phalanxes well against human players. Against AI one could just keep them in 1 line and wait for them to attack and just flank them easily, so I dont really know what to do with them yet :P
When we are both online send me a message on Hamachi and if I have time I will show you exactly what you want to do with phalanxes. Hehehehe.... (the plan is just beginning!) :clown:

[Vega]

Here's my first victory over Vega

http://www.mediafire.com/?qyfq4zr924lpbgi Unfortunately that one was unlegit you had 4 heavy cavarly :P

[Kival]

My greeks - this time a classical army - repelled the romans again:

http://www.mediafire.com/?zrkygu9kd80ruk0

[Vega]

My greek - this time a classical army - repelled the romans again:

http://www.mediafire.com/?zrkygu9kd80ruk0 O YEAH LOOK AT THIS HOW REALISTIC WAS THAT BATTLE!!! GREEK HOPLITES 1300 are punching cohorts like **** this is scary !!!

[Kival]

O YEAH LOOK AT THIS HOW REALISTIC WAS THAT BATTLE!!! GREEK HOPLITES 1300 are punching cohorts like **** this is scary !!!

Vega, my classical hoplites did not win against your cohorts, they just did hold well... my cav was victorious...

[antisocialmunky]

Welcome to being Rome, get use to the feeling of Kontos up the butt.

[Lazy O]

Im sure he must already be used to it.

[Vega]

Hello guys first of all i want to apologize for fury posts, and second i still can use mercenary phalanxes in roman roster they are not banned yet right?!

[vartan]

Hello guys first of all i want to apologize for fury posts, and second i still can use mercenary phalanxes in roman roster they are not banned yet right?!
Use the mercenary phalangites as the SPQR only when in the Camillan and Polybian eras.

[Lazy O]

You have better stuff, use it.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I showed him how to beat your Carthage army with Romans last night, lazy boy. The Assault Infantry one. If only he remembers the army comp and the strategy.

[Lazy O]

I have other things too ya know.

[vartan]

Here's my first victory over Vega

http://www.mediafire.com/?qyfq4zr924lpbgi
Vega is right. I loaded this replay and you brought 4 heavy cavalry. These were 3 Scythian Noble Cavalry and 1 Thracian Medium Cavalry. I understand I probably could have done a better job each month by insisting that new players in these tournaments read the rulesets carefully. Sorry. As for you Vega, did you notice the 4 heavy cavalry in the beginning? If you did, you could have at least told prankstr so that you could restart instead of playing it out =| sorry guys...

EDIT: First score report up a bit earlier than I anticipated. Kind of busy lately.

[Vega]

Vega is right. I loaded this replay and you brought 4 heavy cavalry. These were 3 Scythian Noble Cavalry and 1 Thracian Medium Cavalry. I understand I probably could have done a better job each month by insisting that new players in these tournaments read the rulesets carefully. Sorry. As for you Vega, did you notice the 4 heavy cavalry in the beginning? If you did, you could have at least told prankstr so that you could restart instead of playing it out =| sorry guys...

EDIT: First score report up a bit earlier than I anticipated. Kind of busy lately. Well i also tought that podromoi is not heavy but Viking later after watching replay told me that thracian podromoi is heavy cav so.. :))

[_Agrippa_]

Hi guys would like to participate, if possible with SPQR :)

[Lazy O]

Even moar lambs to the slaughter, make sure you fight me regularly ;)

[Kival]

Well i also tought that podromoi is not heavy but Viking later after watching replay told me that thracian podromoi is heavy cav so.. :))

Yeah, you can be irritated by the "medium" part...

[vartan]

Hi guys would like to participate, if possible with SPQR :)
Buon giorno! Where have you been hiding? Good luck old timer.

Yeah, you can be irritated by the "medium" part...
I was thinking about possibly changing the unit names to indicate heaviness but this is overkill. Keeping them the same for convenience of those looking up units on the unit list site.

[Vega]

Hello agrippa, o yea its awasome, more spqr players :DD

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Victory for the Lusitanians over Vega's Romans. http://www.mediafire.com/?4xxpjjs5xixsgst

[TinCow]

I just notice this thread. If you guys are interested, you're welcome to use the Org's automated tournament utility (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/competitions.php?) to help run this thing. It has a lot of flexibility and can produce nice tournament brackets that look like this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/tournaments.php?do=view&id=18). If you're interested, just send me a PM and I'll get the proper people the access they need to be able to run the utility themselves, without needing to go through Org staff. I've also written a basic tutorial (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134740-Tournament-Utility-Tutorial) on how to use the utility, for both players and tournament hosts.

[antisocialmunky]

Hmmm, it would be interesting to do a bracket tournament since we actually have enough regulars. Thanks, Tin Cow. Can we do Round Robin as well?

[TinCow]

Yes, that system allows both Round Robin and Double Round Robin. The only tournament option that I've found to be somewhat limited is Double Elimination. Double Elim is a great tournament system, but for some reason our utility cannot accept more than 8 players in that kind of a tournament, which is annoying.

[vartan]

Victory for the Lusitanians over Vega's Romans. http://www.mediafire.com/?4xxpjjs5xixsgst

Finally, haha. It's been a while since a battle took place it seems. :2thumbsup:

TinCow, thanks for noticing our tournaments. They've been going on a while since the tournament tool you mention was implemented. I might have inquired about it in the past, maybe not. But anyway, can that tool do what we are doing, which is not pairing particular players in any systematic way, but rather allowing them to play ad hoc and simply the game master (myself) entering in the information for each battle (players on each side and which side won)? Thanks.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I too have been distressed by the lack of battles this month Vartan. Every time I log on I feel like a mahout with the amount of goading I have to do in order to provoke the acceptance of a tourney challenge from various players.

[vartan]

I too have been distressed by the lack of battles this month Vartan. Every time I log on I feel like a mahout with the amount of goading I have to do in order to provoke the acceptance of a tourney challenge from various players.
Utterly unacceptable. Why don't you punish players by shooting them with arrows from your mahout tower? hehe.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Its tough to control an elephant and shoot arrows at the same time. :laugh4:

The shooting is Lazy's job. He's in the tower.

[gamegeek2]

Once I get the new EDU out we can use that to give it a formal go. That is after proper testing is done.

[TinCow]

But anyway, can that tool do what we are doing, which is not pairing particular players in any systematic way, but rather allowing them to play ad hoc and simply the game master (myself) entering in the information for each battle (players on each side and which side won)? Thanks.

That depends on what kind of a system you're trying to implement. Are you running this thing as an actual tournament, where people are eliminated until a single victor is chosen, or is it more of a general free-for-all, and at the end someone has more points? Our system can do both, but the latter is really more of a ladder than a tournament. I ran a TWS2 ladder using that system recently, and you can see the final results here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/ladders.php?do=view&id=12). That system allowed players to pick their own battles (as opposed to a tournament, where matches are selected automatically), and the winner was simply the person who had the best record at the end.

[Burebista]

That depends on what kind of a system you're trying to implement. Are you running this thing as an actual tournament, where people are eliminated until a single victor is chosen, or is it more of a general free-for-all, and at the end someone has more points? Our system can do both, but the latter is really more of a ladder than a tournament. I ran a TWS2 ladder using that system recently, and you can see the final results here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/ladders.php?do=view&id=12). That system allowed players to pick their own battles (as opposed to a tournament, where matches are selected automatically), and the winner was simply the person who had the best record at the end.

I think a double elimination would be fun after all those free-for-all tournaments. Randomly drawn , it's sure to bring mixed emotions , especially concerning ones self matches , thus sparking a lot of testing friendlies.

Also , due to the double elimination , best out of 3 ( Bo3) system , everybody gets the chance to play in the tournament even if they get defeated in 1 series.

[vartan]

That depends on what kind of a system you're trying to implement. Are you running this thing as an actual tournament, where people are eliminated until a single victor is chosen, or is it more of a general free-for-all, and at the end someone has more points? Our system can do both, but the latter is really more of a ladder than a tournament. I ran a TWS2 ladder using that system recently, and you can see the final results here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/ladders.php?do=view&id=12). That system allowed players to pick their own battles (as opposed to a tournament, where matches are selected automatically), and the winner was simply the person who had the best record at the end.
Ladder is how we run our system and we pretty much have to because we have over the limit of 8 for double elim and we can't always count on any two players being online at the same time. I'm glad to see your ladder actually implements an ELO rating system (I've been writing a program for it since I couldn't find one). Are ladders always time-based (1 year, 1 month, etc.) or can they be untimed? From the looks of it, I'm guessing the ladders section doesn't archive old ladders. Since it'll look ugly having a bunch of monthly ladders (:laugh4:), we're probably better off going "season" and shooting for 3-month intervals (or something of the sort). I'd like to see what the players think about it.

[Lazy O]

Id like it. But time is so limited now that I cannot even do the current format.

[TinCow]

Ladder is how we run our system and we pretty much have to because we have over the limit of 8 for double elim and we can't always count on any two players being online at the same time. I'm glad to see your ladder actually implements an ELO rating system (I've been writing a program for it since I couldn't find one). Are ladders always time-based (1 year, 1 month, etc.) or can they be untimed? From the looks of it, I'm guessing the ladders section doesn't archive old ladders. Since it'll look ugly having a bunch of monthly ladders (:laugh4:), we're probably better off going "season" and shooting for 3-month intervals (or something of the sort). I'd like to see what the players think about it.

I don't think they can technically be totally untimed, but you can set the end date to be something like 2047, so it will never actually close. Plus, you can edit the start and end dates/times whenever you want, so you can use that to open or close the thing at will.

[Burebista]

Ladder is how we run our system and we pretty much have to because we have over the limit of 8 for double elim and we can't always count on any two players being online at the same time. I'm glad to see your ladder actually implements an ELO rating system (I've been writing a program for it since I couldn't find one). Are ladders always time-based (1 year, 1 month, etc.) or can they be untimed? From the looks of it, I'm guessing the ladders section doesn't archive old ladders. Since it'll look ugly having a bunch of monthly ladders (:laugh4:), we're probably better off going "season" and shooting for 3-month intervals (or something of the sort). I'd like to see what the players think about it.

Kmoooon , i would love a head-to-head bashing with much on the line , and i'm sure many others will too. And you can actually do a double elimination with more or less than 8/16 players.
All you gotta do is do either qualifiers in case their number is greater , or automatic passes to the next run for a very small numer of lucky few , lottery chosen ofc

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Or based off previous tourney results perhaps...:2thumbsup:

[vartan]

Or based off previous tourney results perhaps...:2thumbsup:

Very good ideas. In fact, what I always had in mind was taking the top n number of players for a certain summer season of battles (usually June+July+August) and creating a sort of "champions cup" tournament. The problem is the last time I tried this it was I believe in September, so it was just called the Fall champions cup. It never really came to fruition despite an (awful) video trailer being made to boot. I think timing was the problem. So considering the fact that if you graphed player availability throughout the year, you would see summer as the peak time, I figure the only (or one of the only?) ways you could implement this single/double-elim amongst the top performing players is if you make it start in, say, summer of 2012, and have the top players of the summer of 2011 compete. But I don't know if...there would be a realistic desire to participate in something like this after a year has gone by...I'm not certain. I'm not sure. What goes inside the mind of the player? *shrugs* Why you not compete in the fall??, I think to myself.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

A good idea but a year in between would lead to the erosion of many of the skills which got those players into the Champion's Cup.

[vartan]

A good idea but a year in between would lead to the erosion of many of the skills which got those players into the Champion's Cup.

Exactly. We're screwed! People should try playing during the seasons other than summer. It's just as fun, I assure you.

[Burebista]

Exactly. We're screwed! People should try playing during the seasons other than summer. It's just as fun, I assure you.

Well , it might be worth a shot when MP3.0 is launched

[Lazy O]

Hah, skill erosion, that does not exist. You either get better or you dont. It works Like this.

Newbie>Below Average>Average>Good>Max
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Noob>Noob>Noob

[vartan]

Hah, skill erosion, that does not exist. You either get better or you dont. It works Like this.

Newbie>Below Average>Average>Good>Max
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Noob>Noob>Noob
Conceptually and theoretically you never get worse. That's true. But practically, you do lose touch with your effective performance over time with inactivity. Case in point (=

[Vega]

Hey what about knockout system, it good example for short tourneys because we cant exept so much players when school season starts, like soccer we have draw and the best win :DD

[vartan]

Hey what about knockout system, it good example for short tourneys because we cant exept so much players when school season starts, like soccer we have draw and the best win :DD
Also known as a single elimination style of tournament, the knockout style would ideally take a number of players that is a power of 2 (2, 4, 8, 16, and so on). It can take as short or as long a time as necessary, depending on how soon players can fulfill their match requirements. It is precisely the "cup" idea I mentioned to Robin a few posts above. Unfortunately, elimination tournaments do not give us much information on where a player's skill lies relative to other players. The ladder is the best at fulfilling this aspect, while still providing us with place rankings for the season or what have you. I'm contemplating having the ladder contain all EBO matches from its inception till present, and simply continue presenting you all with monthly performances/scoresheets, and interacting with you all regarding formats/rules/EDUs through these conventional threads. In such a case, the ladder would essentially attempt to provide a representation of player rankings and relative skill through time much as if you were professional chess players in an international federation, FIDE (Fédération Internationale des Échecs).

[WorldlyBoar]

I would like to join the August Tournament!

Username: WorldlyBoar
Faction: SPQR

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Hello Worldly, good to see you here on the forums! Looking forward to some more matches with you this month.

[WorldlyBoar]

Thanks! I will work on becoming a bit more of a challenge...

[vartan]

Hey everybody. I posted the final results of the August tournament. The replay pack can be downloaded now from the website. A very, very special thanks to everyone who DIDN'T PLAY...

[Vega]

Hey everybody. I posted the final results of the August tournament. The replay pack can be downloaded now from the website. A very, very special thanks to everyone who DIDN'T PLAY... very poor tourney i hope other ones will be better and my skills are better now i hope :D

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Hey everybody. I posted the final results of the August tournament. The replay pack can be downloaded now from the website. A very, very special thanks to everyone who DIDN'T PLAY...

Well I blame Gamegeek for releasing the new 3.0 early during the month. :p
Vartan, did I mess up your Luso data now as well?

[vartan]

Well I blame Gamegeek for releasing the new 3.0 early during the month. :p
Vartan, did I mess up your Luso data now as well?
I should have held back his release until after the month was over. So it's actually my fault for not reining him in. Sorry guys.

And what do you mean by messing up Luso data? I don't follow. Do you mean the performance of Luso since the beginning of EBO? You can't mess it up. Only improve or worsen their track record :)

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Well last month you remarked that I meddled with the Aedui winning percentages (which you hoped would be more around 50/50 as with all factions) by going 12-2. Since there was no other data for Lusos and I won my two matches, now Lusos have a 100% victory percentage. They must truly be the best faction!!!!!!

[vartan]

Well last month you remarked that I meddled with the Aedui winning percentages (which you hoped would be more around 50/50 as with all factions) by going 12-2. Since there was no other data for Lusos and I won my two matches, now Lusos have a 100% victory percentage. They must truly be the best faction!!!!!!

By George you're right!

https://i.imgur.com/t1VdZ.png

[Vega]

By George you're right!

https://i.imgur.com/t1VdZ.png
dammit using polybians in edu 2.1.1 make rome stats weaker, i will change that :D

[gamegeek2]

Those incorporate old tourney data too, don't they?

[vartan]

Those incorporate old tourney data too, don't they?
Look at the number of battles...

This is collective data from all EBOTs.

2010 July
2010 August
2011 June
2011 July
2011 August

[antisocialmunky]

We had one in 2009 and the Rome vs Greeks one from the year before that and Burebista's subsequent attempt at a bracket tourney.

[vartan]

We had one in 2009 and the Rome vs Greeks one from the year before that and Burebista's subsequent attempt at a bracket tourney.
Ah yes, the proto-EBO days :2thumbsup: We were the best group of guinea pigs anyone could ask for :yes: I still don't know how how or why you ended up picking the rules you did ASM, the rules that lasted all the way through EBO EDU 2.1.1. Did those come from somewhere else?

[Burebista]

Hi guys ,

Back from vacation in Turkey. Great to see i've won one tournament , at least sort of. Last year i've won a similar one with 2-0 so i guess i can accumulate them and say that i got one?

Anyway , good to be back and you can be sure of a Getai opponentin the future.

[vartan]

Hi guys ,

Back from vacation in Turkey. Great to see i've won one tournament , at least sort of. Last year i've won a similar one with 2-0 so i guess i can accumulate them and say that i got one?

Anyway , good to be back and you can be sure of a Getai opponentin the future.
Welcome back friend.