ot: interesting commercial

[artavazd]

This is an Armenian beer commercial. The commercial shows Xenophon's journey through Armenia, and how he was introduced to beer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szze7kEgARk

[fomalhaut]

lol, was this in the dang journey? i remember them being introduced to very potent wine, and also honey that caused many to faint

[artavazd]

lol, was this in the dang journey? i remember them being introduced to very potent wine, and also honey that caused many to faint

Yes its from his journey. He talks about Armenians drinking a drink with barley, and how his mood became happy when he drank. In the commercial you see a guy drinking out of a pot with a huge reed, this is described by Xenophon as well.

[fomalhaut]

huh! must have been in between near mutiny #5 and inspiring speech #17

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I hoped the wind would blow away her dress ...^^

[Ludens]

huh! must have been in between near mutiny #5 and inspiring speech #17

~D .

[Arjos]

I... I have to drink it now! XD

[jirisys]

That bearded guy looks like some armenian guy IRL :laugh4:

~Jirisys ()

[Populus Romanus]

I have a feeling this would be a lot funnier if there were English subtitles.

[artavazd]

That bearded guy looks like some armenian guy IRL :laugh4:

~Jirisys ()

There all Armenian. Its a beer commercial from Armenia. :)

[artavazd]

I have a feeling this would be a lot funnier if there were English subtitles.



Its basically Xenophon describing his journey through Armenia, and getting drunk off of beer the first time.

[jirisys]

There all Armenian. Its a beer commercial from Armenia. :)

I meant one armenian I know. He's basically identical.


Its basically Xenophon describing his journey through Armenia, and getting drunk off of beer the first time.

Which of those was xenophon?

~Jirisys ()

[Ibrahim]

hehe...

I'm still trying to figure out what people see in beer. the one time I tried it, the taste was a lot like moldy bread-had to spit it back out from the taste. :clown:

it does raise an interesting question: how did this unusual drink catch on? while we're at it, what did Xenophon et al. see in it?

[fomalhaut]

Xenophon and them seemed to enjoy wine WAY more anyway. he always mentioned dat wine, especially a special brew in the people who lived under ground as they made it a certain way.

haha Ludens my experience with Anabasis was basically that, after "the sea! the sea!" i could just barely keep my interest. It was like a piece of self propaganda for Xenophon basically

[artavazd]

I meant one armenian I know. He's basically identical.



Which of those was xenophon?

~Jirisys ()

Xenophon is the general in the commercial the man with the buzzed hair and beard

[vartan]

Mors arev, es inches jare mez hamar?! :laugh4: Nice find, Arto.
Dear mother, what have you brought us?!

Ksenofone yerp antsav Hayastani michotsov? Chem hishum. Miayn hishumem vor Hanibale hasav Artashat yerp norin shinum.
When did Xenophon pass through Armenia? I can't recall. I only remember Hannibal reaching Artashat as it was being built.

[artavazd]

bt
Mors arev, es inches jare mez hamar?! :laugh4: Nice find, Arto.
Dear mother, what have you brought us?!

Ksenofone yerp antsav Hayastani michotsov? Chem hishum. Miayn hishumem vor Hanibale hasav Artashat yerp norin shinum.
When did Xenophon pass through Armenia? I can't recall. I only remember Hannibal reaching Artashat as it was being built.

Xenophon went through Armenia to get to the Black Sea and go back to Greece. It is during this passage that he talks about the Armenian people making beer in large pots and drinking it through large reed straws. He also mentions how rich the land is in livestock, and also the people live in houses which are build underground to survive the harsh winters.

[vartan]

Xenophon went through Armenia to get to the Black Sea and go back to Greece. It is during this passage that he talks about the Armenian people making beer in large pots and drinking it through large reed straws. He also mentions how rich the land is in livestock, and also the people live in houses which are build underground to survive the harsh winters.
That's only because Armenians are so amazingly adapted to their environment. Amazing!

[Zarax]

hehe...

I'm still trying to figure out what people see in beer. the one time I tried it, the taste was a lot like moldy bread-had to spit it back out from the taste. :clown:

it does raise an interesting question: how did this unusual drink catch on? while we're at it, what did Xenophon et al. see in it?

Today's beer and ancient beer are completely different (and wine as well to some degree).
Traditional beer tastes more like liquorous wine and is pretty flat, if you can find a traditional lambic (very hard outside Belgium) you'd be shocked at how different it is.

That said, never ever buy supermarket beer, it's crap compared to the artisanal one (and there is a huge variety of brewing styles, from the sweetish belgian to the almost brutally bitter indian or american pale ale, passing through the german weisse and the clean tasting czech pils).

[Maeran]

hehe...

I'm still trying to figure out what people see in beer. the one time I tried it, the taste was a lot like moldy bread-had to spit it back out from the taste. :clown:

it does raise an interesting question: how did this unusual drink catch on? while we're at it, what did Xenophon et al. see in it?

The first beers were literally just bread left in water to ferment a bit then the water was sucked up with a straw. (interesting that the Armenians were still doing it this way in Xenophon's day). So no surprise it tastes like that. Most modern beers have various flavourings added.

Personally I prefer beer over sweeter drinks because they often seem sickly sweet to me. When I first started drinking all but the lighter lagers seemed nasty to me, but as I grew accustomed to them those lagers now seem tasteless (and unnecessarily gassy). So I suppose is is conceivable that the drinking of beer could be seen as a rite of passage into manhood. At first it is difficult to palate, but the drinker is encouraged by his greater acceptance into adult male society.

Part of the epic of Gilgamesh has the wild man Enkidu being introduced to bread and beer. It is part of Gilgamesh's plan to civilise him and is part of a scene in which Enkidu is shown the ways of men.

"Bread they set before him, ale they set before him. Enkidu ate not the bread, but looked askance.
How to eat the bread Enkidu knew not, how to drink ale he had never been shown.
The harlot [the woman who had been sent to seduce Enkidu into civilisation] opened her mouth, saying to Enkidu:
'Eat the bread Enkidu, essential to life. Drink the ale, the lot of the land!'
Enkidu ate the bread until he was sated. He drank the ale, a full seven goblets.
His mood became free, he started to sing. His heart grew merry, his face lit up."

Enkidu is then groomed, dressed as a warrior and given work to do (shepherd duty). I suggest that this ties the drinking of ale into becoming a man in one of the very earliest of stories.

[vartan]

"Bread they set before him, ale they set before him. Enkidu ate not the bread, but looked askance.
How to eat the bread Enkidu knew not, how to drink ale he had never been shown.
The harlot [the woman who had been sent to seduce Enkidu into civilisation] opened her mouth, saying to Enkidu:
'Eat the bread Enkidu, essential to life. Drink the ale, the lot of the land!'
Enkidu ate the bread until he was sated. He drank the ale, a full seven goblets.
His mood became free, he started to sing. His heart grew merry, his face lit up."

Enkidu is then groomed, dressed as a warrior and given work to do (shepherd duty). I suggest that this ties the drinking of ale into becoming a man in one of the very earliest of stories.
When I read the Epic myself and came across this, two thoughts happened to me. First, Enkidu is a lucky guy (and I later was rooting for him and was kind of sad to see him lose to Gilgamesh). Second, the Sumerians must not have started buying Armenian wine yet at this point in their history, hah.

[Cadwalader]

As much as I hate to admit it, being a beer-lover, the alcohol is probably the main reason why beer caught on. Why waste precious grains making it otherwise? There are some historians today however, who think that beer either made possible or caused the first civilizations. In larger communities, the water supply would become foul. Beer, was safer because boiling is part of the brewing process and (I assume) because of its alcohol content. They wouldn't have known why beer was safe to drink, Louis Pasteur was millenia away, but, "what the hell, at least I don't have dysentery!". The Sumerians apparently used about half of their grain supply for making beer. Some other historians think that the transition to agriculture was caused by a desire to make more alcohol.

So wether you find beer disgusting or no, you may have a lot to thank it for! A bit like my relationship to Mathematics, really.

[Ibrahim]

The first beers were literally just bread left in water to ferment a bit then the water was sucked up with a straw. (interesting that the Armenians were still doing it this way in Xenophon's day). So no surprise it tastes like that. Most modern beers have various flavourings added.

that's the thing, it was a modern beer. I don't remember the name of the brand, but it was p*** yellow, foamed quite a bit, and everyone else described it as sweet.

well, i have news for everyone :clown:. when I am told sth is sweet, I expect it to taste like this:

2013

not like penicillin. I feel cheated :clown:

and in any event, I only took a taste because my friends at CSU, realizing they wouldn't be able to make me drink, at least asked me to take a sip-to at least know it's taste. I did it, since I figured I might as well know what I'm against.

[Zarax]

If you want a sweet (and I mean sweet) beer try a belgian kriek or a brand called blumenbier, it tastes like candy.

[Cute Wolf]

There all Armenian. Its a beer commercial from Armenia. :)

so, basically some Roman (?) troops coming to an Armenian village and get into a beer party instead of being ambushed? :yes:

[vartan]

so, basically some Roman (?) troops coming to an Armenian village and get into a beer party instead of being ambushed? :yes:
They aren't Roman. They are Greek.

[Moros]

Not all Belgian beer is fruity or sweet though. Probably have the most varied kinds of beer in the world.

[TiberiusClaudiusMarcellus]

I love this thread!

Try Blue Moon or a Blueberry Heffeweisen - both with a slice of orange squeezed in (reacts w/ the beer) and the rind tossed in. Absolutely delicious stuff - but still an acquired taste.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Now all of you are going to become wine steward ancillaries!!!

[antisocialmunky]

Man, I didn't realize until now that EB forum hasn't ever had a really good historical bear thread.

[Maeran]

Really? Well, um. They would generally be brown in Europe and Asia.

Funny how rare bears seem to be in ancient art. Given how many dangerous and wild animals are depicted. It's all boars, wolves and lions.

[Cute Wolf]

Really? Well, um. They would generally be brown in Europe and Asia.

Funny how rare bears seem to be in ancient art. Given how many dangerous and wild animals are depicted. It's all boars, wolves and lions.

vanilla german berserkers using bear skin as their cloak

and drink a lot of beer

[gamegeek2]

Read the EB Sweboz preview, there is a whole discussion on bear-claws in graves.

[Skullheadhq]

Too bad I dont like beer, because else I would have to import this brand.