[EB] Errors in latest EDU 3.0

[TheShakAttack]

This thread is just to keep track of any errors that have been discovered.

Please keep posts to ERRORS ONLY. In other words, something you reasonably believe gamegeek2 or Vartan did not mean to do, and/or something they forgot to do. This means no "suggestions", no complaints, no whining about changes and especially no hijacking. There are separate threads for that. Please take it there.

Now, there will obviously be some grey areas where you are unsure if there is a genuine mistake, or it was intentional. Please feel free to post this if it is a genuine concern.

If the modders could acknowledge when they have taken care of something, I will take it off the list.

Errors found:


Luso general does not give morale boost (no eagle)
Not all jav cav have javs which are AT LEAST10 attack (I believe this is an error, though I am not 100% sure. Not referring to Germ Jav Cav btw)
Pedites Extraordinarii can form testudo.
Numidian slingers have 10 more men and are cheaper than Ioasatae.
equites singvlares dont have eagle other one have
"i dont know is that mistake but shepard slingers have still 100 men"




Not an error:


German Aux jav cav is supposed to have 14 jav attack

[antisocialmunky]

Roman generals do not have eagles either.

German Mercenary Light Cav has 14(!) javelin attack!

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Roman generals do not have eagles either.

German Mercenary Light Cav has 14(!) javelin attack!

All the light German cav types have this high an attack and in vanilla, their attacks are noticeably higher than others as well so I don't think this was unintentional. They should be priced accordingly.

Pedites Extraordinarii can form testudo.
Numidian slingers have 10 more men and are cheaper than Ioasatae.
Romes eastern auxilia have a kopis secondary which is not statted as AP.

[Vega]

Roman generals do not have eagles either.

German Mercenary Light Cav has 14(!) javelin attack!
equites singvlares dont have eagle other one have
and i dont know is that mistake but shepard slingers have still 100 men

[-Stormrage-]

Ill do u all a favor and not participate in this, wouldn't want the Forum to Crash

[gamegeek2]

Thanks for this thread. I will download the latest 3.0 when I get my new hard drive (I am using different computers ATM) and make these fixes. The Germanic light cav wield frameae and were famed for their devastating javelin attack, they were extremely effective for their equipment and cost as they are in 3.0, which is my intention.

[TheShakAttack]

Initial post updated to reflect discussions thus far.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Median Medium Cavalry are cheaper and better statwise than Medium Eastern Cavalry.

[gamegeek2]

Median Medium Cavalry are cheaper and better statwise than Medium Eastern Cavalry.

Didn't mean for them to be cheaper. I'll look at that.

[antisocialmunky]

I keep getting this Hamachi error online. Anyone else? Could you please fix it gg2?


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[Lazy O]

Thats not a hamachi error lol

[Vega]

hmmm a lot of generals bodyguards dont have eagle just to tell :D

[Lazy O]

Parthian Noble Cavalry (Armored Horse Archer, I forget the actual name) Has better charge and stats than Dahae noble cavalry while being cheaper.

[vartan]

The Parthians have a cataphract unit (either cataphract or noble cataphract) that, instead of being tagged as heavy cavalry, are tagged as missile cavalry.

[gamegeek2]

Parthian Noble Cavalry (Armored Horse Archer, I forget the actual name) Has better charge and stats than Dahae noble cavalry while being cheaper.

The Armored horse archer/cata archer is definitely more expensive, and the Dehbed cavalry definitely have weaker defenses than the Dahae cavalry.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Gallic bodyguards (brihentin) do not have command eagle

[Lazy O]

@GG2; I got the name wrong, its the Parthian Noble Medium Cavalry.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Merc Thracian Peltasts have the little grey peasant icon.

[qindarka]

Don't know if its only me but the Sweboz's Germanic Heavy Cavalry features horses without textures, appearing only as white models.

[Lazy O]

And to the rest of us they are the vanilla Julii Horses lol

[vartan]

Yes. They will hopefully be fixed ;)

[antisocialmunky]

Well the short pike + phalanx is unbelievably bugged. I guess that's why it was removed from hoplites. It doesn't seem to work and it makes things push stupidly much!

[-Stormrage-]

ive heard alot of people saying oh its bugged its bugged but no one told me what the bug is? It works perfectly fine in RSII, so maybe its a mod bug ?

[antisocialmunky]

I'm not sure what the problem is but the unit ignore the pike distance and the unit closes to attack with swords and pushes like crazy. So as of right now they are broken.

[gamegeek2]

Can you show the short pike stats from RSII then? Let's test the new short pike phalanx out btw...what did you find ASM?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

You are referring to Speutogardoz I assume? They don't have a secondary weapon btw. What happens when they close into side arm range if the model does not accommodate a secondary? I never actually checked on this. Do they still poke?

[antisocialmunky]

No, they worked in one of the older versions of EB :[

[-Stormrage-]

well this is the attributes of the spearmen i think thats what u mean by short pike ?

stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_6

and this is the attributes of the phalanx

stat_pri_attr long_pike, spear, spear_bonus_8

you can try it

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

No, they worked in one of the older versions of EB :[
I don't think it was short_pike in older versions of EB. I believe it was just spear. Phalangites use long_pike. In fact, I'm not so sure that short_pike is meant to be used with phalanx formation, is it? Isn't that what the old Pictish spear/Alemmani spear units used in BI? That wasn't a true phalanx although it looked like one.

[The Celtic Viking]

I don't think it was short_pike in older versions of EB. I believe it was just spear. Phalangites use long_pike. In fact, I'm not so sure that short_pike is meant to be used with phalanx formation, is it? Isn't that what the old Pictish spear/Alemmani spear units used in BI? That wasn't a true phalanx although it looked like one.

Isn't short_pike phalanx what those Greek Cities hoplites had in regular RTW?

Move along, nothing to see here... :p

[vartan]

Can you show the short pike stats from RSII then? Let's test the new short pike phalanx out btw...what did you find ASM?
short_pike isn't feasible in tweaking EB for whatever reason. See Cute Wolf's comment on it in the NOM forum. It's unfortunate and if we knew exactly why it's not working to our benefit as we would like it to, we'd be on our way to fixing it.

[antisocialmunky]

The attack on the companion cavalry BG is 1 less than the normal cav.

You should also probably give the Maks celtic slinger mercs as they are decidely weaker on cheaper missile damage than their neightbors. With all the expensive things they have to get, 1900 cretans are a little optimistic.

[Lazy O]

RS2 does not even have short pike. I do not think I have seen it in any mod ive played cept for maybe RTR a while back.

[gamegeek2]

The attack on the companion cavalry BG is 1 less than the normal cav.

You should also probably give the Maks celtic slinger mercs as they are decidely weaker on cheaper missile damage than their neightbors. With all the expensive things they have to get, 1900 cretans are a little optimistic.

Sphendonetai aren't available to them?

Also, funny, since the expensive Mak things have been reduced in cost (Hetairoi, Thessalikoi).

[-Stormrage-]

who needs short pike?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Peltastai Makedonikai were not increased to 80 men.

[antisocialmunky]

Samnite Milites have the old spacing.

Peltastai aren't on the Greek roster. Thessylians are also missing (old EB 1.0 bug) and Bosphorans are removed :p.

[gamegeek2]

I'll have a fix up this afternoon. Thanks, guys. I'll also remove short_pike.

[antisocialmunky]

why do roman legionaire chainmail have lower armor than linothorax?

[gamegeek2]

why do roman legionaire chainmail have lower armor than linothorax?

Why do antisocialmunky use bad grammar? :D

It doesn't, to put it short. The legionary's chainmail has a value of 6 armor, the linothorax is 4. The reinforced linothorakes that Hoplitai wear have a value of 5.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Hoplitai also wear greaves, something that legionaries are lacking.

Not sure if this is an error or not, but Molosson Agema have very good stamina and I thought this was removed from all heavy cavalry, such as Thessalians. If this was purposeful, should Hetairoi have good stamina then?

[gamegeek2]

Hoplitai also wear greaves, something that legionaries are lacking.

Not sure if this is an error or not, but Molosson Agema have very good stamina and I thought this was removed from all heavy cavalry, such as Thessalians. If this was purposeful, should Hetairoi have good stamina then?

The Hetairoi are supposed to have hardy. Thanks for pointing that out! And the Molossians are an exception to that rule, which is why their cost got bumped over thessalians despite their less armor (Boiotian instead of Attic helmet).

Bosporans were supposed to be removed. I guess I could restore them, though.

[-Stormrage-]

Bosporans were supposed to be removed. I guess I could restore them, though.

While your at it Restore Stormrage into the network. you gotta be missing my name right about now.:laugh4:

[The Celtic Viking]

Was removing the Ordmalica intentional, and if so, why was it done?

Edit: also, Gaelaiche cost exactly the same as Gaeroas but have less charge and a shorter jav range (as well as a slightly lower mass), with everything else being the same.