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C9++ - The Revenge of the Russo
|Welcome to C9++, the latest, most awesome game ever|
LaSalle, IL, a windy evening autumn 2011.
Lights up on an Italian man in his sixties. He is wearing a striped Armani suit and his face is shrouded in darkness. He is standing at a podium.
Don: My family! The Russo family has long been silent, hiding in the shadows, but today is the day when we shall step forward and take over this rotten town from the corrupt policemen!
Everyone in the room are applauding.
Don: I can't deny that we have our own cause, but we're the good ones! We maybe have to kill some townies, bribe some cops, but in the end, we are the glorious, the righteous ones. Forward, my friends. Free the good from the oppression of the state!
Everyone walks slowly out of the room. They begin to load their guns...
The town are bound to disagree with the Mafiosi. It looks like the conflict will evolve into a war!
|Current deadline|
|Players|
|Alive and kickin' (4/12)|
|Earthling (replaces johnhughthom)|
|Diamondeye|
|Zack|
|B_Ray|
Confirmed are in bold.
The • indicates the number of prods that player has received
|Sleepin' with the fishes (7/12)|
|Montmorency, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1|
|hero di classico, Doctor, was killed Night 1.|
|robbiecon, Roleblocker, was killed Night 1.|
|Winston Hughes, Serial Killer, lynched Day 2.|
|Cahoma, Innocent Child, was killed Night 2.|
|Oh! TheLastDays!, Mafia, was killed Night 2.|
|Visorslash, Mafia, lynched Day 3.|
|Blown to pieces (modkilled) (1/12)|
|ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Vanilla Townie turned Neutral Survivor, modkilled and autolost Day 2.|
|The rules|
|General gameplay|
This game will start with a Night phase. Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins.
As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – please don't leave us hanging!
Prods of missing players will be issued after 48 hours of no activity or upon request after 24 hours of no activity. Any player who fails to post in-thread within 24 hours of being prodded may be replaced.
A player who is eligible for a third prod is subject to possible replacement without further notice.
You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. If someone contacts you outside the game you should report it to the game Mod IMMEDIATELY.
|During the day|
Each Day will have a strict two-day deadline. Extensions will be given only in extreme circumstances, but always feel free to ask.
A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down) before deadline. If no one has a simple majority of votes the lynch will decided by plurality (the one with most votes at deadline will be lynched).
If deadline hits and two players have the same number of votes sudden death will occur. The only players that is allowed to be voted on is the players with the same number of votes. The first vote that breaks the tie will decide the lynch. The deadline for the sudden death is 12 hours, if the tie isn't broken by then a No Lynch will occur.
Once a player has reached a simple majority of votes no further unvoting will change their fate.
Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; all players may continue to post.
Once you are dead (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief “Bah!”-type post that contains NO game related information.
Votes should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g. VOTE: Johhog).
Vote revocations should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g. UNVOTE: Player or Unvote). Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes, but are appreciated.
You may VOTE: No Lynch - half of the alive players are required to vote for this to send the game to Night phase without a Lynch.
Votes/Unvotes should be placed on a line all by themselves to make them easier for everyone to see.
Votes/Unvotes that reasonably follow the guidelines specified above, and are unambiguous with respect to player nicknames/abbreviations, will count.
|During the night|
Each Night will have a strict 24-hour deadline. Extensions will not be given, unless a player has to be replaced during the Night.
If you have a role with a Night action, your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.
Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mod know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase.
To talk in-thread or in PM (unless your role specifically allows it) during the Night is strictly forbidden.
|Miscellaneous|
Please bold all requests to the Mod so that they don’t get missed.
The colours #000080 and #FF0000 is reserved for the Mod.
No invisible/small/encrypted text is allowed (if you can't read it, don't post it). Breadcrumbs to your role, however is allowed.
You are not allowed to edit your posts, if you have the ability to do so.
If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mod privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
The Mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
Rules violations will be dealt with according to their severity, up to and including a Modkill, as the Mod sees fit. Modkills may be accompanied by a change to day/night and the offender’s role will be changed to Neutral Survivor, which guarantees a loss.
Any situation not explicitly covered above is subject to Mod discretion and will be handled as the Mod sees fit on a case-by-case basis.
Thanks to Uite for letting me base my rules on his ruleset.
|The setup|
The setup that I'll use for this game is C9++, a semi-open setup where the roles are determined by randomisation. It can generate a great deal of setups and guarantees very interesting and different games. Some important stuff below:
This setup is a Day Start, i.e. Day 1 happens before Night 1.
Mafia and SK simply flip "Mafia" and "Serial Killer".
OK, but how do the Mod determine the setup? Well, this is how:
The Moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted. Then, each number is turned into a letter as follows:
1-50 = T (Townie. This actually directly influences scum powerroles.)
51-65 = C (Cop)
66-75 = D (Doctor)
76-85 = V (Vigilante)
86-95 = M (Mason)
96-100 = B (Blocker)
The Mod then notes how many of each letter is generated.
Powerroles are inserted into the setup depending on how many of each letter are generated. For example, when looking at the "C" list, look at how many Cs you received. If you get no Cs, do not add any roles from the C list (exception: "T" list has a set of roles to be added if 0 Ts are generated). If you get three Cs, look at where it says CCC and add the corresponding powerroles into the game. In this case, add 1 Sane Cop and 1 Insane Cop to the Town.
Cop Roles
C = Sane Cop + 1-3 Millers
CC = Sane Cop
CCC = Sane Cop + Insane Cop
CCCC = 2 Sane Cops
CCCCC = 2 Sane Cops + Insane Cop
CCCCCC = 3 Sane Cops
Cops are not informed of sanity, nor are their sanities revealed upon death.
Doctor Roles
D = Doctor
DD = Doctor + Backup Doctor
DDD = 2 Doctors
DDDD = 2 Doctors + Backup Doctor
DDDDD = 3 Doctors
Vigilante Roles
V = Vigilante
VV = Vigilante + 1-Shot Vigilante
VVV = 2 Vigilantes
VVVV = 2 Vigilantes + 1-Shot Vigilante
VVVVV = 3 Vigilantes
Mason Roles
M = Innocent Child (confirmed on Day 1)
MM = 2 Masons
MMM = 2 Masons + Innocent Child
MMMM = 3 Masons
MMMMM = 2 Masons + 2 Masons (i.e. two separate pairings)
Blocker Roles
B = Roleblocker
BB = Roleblocker + Backup Roleblocker
BBB = 2 Roleblockers
BBBB = 2 Roleblockers + Backup Roleblocker
Scum Roles
TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather
TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass)
TTTTT = 2 Goons + Godfather
TTTT = 2 Goons + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune)
TTT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune, Investigation Immune)
T = Spy + Roleblocker + Godfather
0 Ts = Spy + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune, Investigation Immune, Spy Immune, Roleblocking)
Serial Killer abilities:
Doc Bypass - Every single kill bypasses one Doctor protect
Block Bypass - Immune from one roleblock attempt every Night.
Kill Immune - Immune from one kill attempt every Night.
Investigation Immune - Appears to Cops as Town. (NOTE: An Insane Cop will see SK as Guilty.)
Spy Immune - Appears to Spy as desired. The SK do send in what role he want to appear as each Night.
Roleblocking - Has a one-shot Roleblock ability
Mafia Spy picks one player and receives what type they are in terms of one of the letters used to generate the setup (T for Vanilla Townie, C for a role generated from the Cop list, etc). Remember that a Spy can never accurately investigate a Serial Killer.
Some other stuff:
The Mod will then add a number of Vanilla Townies so that the game contains 12 players.
If the setup generated instructs the Mod add Millers, he will generate how many Millers there will be in the game at random, then distribute them randomly among the roles that are eligible to receive them. Miller effect is added on to their role, so a Miller Backup Roleblocker is possible, for example. Millers are aware to the fact that they're Millers. Millerhood is not revealed upon death.
Mafia, SK, Innocent Child, and Cops are not eligible to be Millers.
No roles can target themselves.
Kills are indistinguishable.
If everyone dies, Serial Killer wins. If no SK exists, game is drawn.
Insane Cops will get a Guilty on the Godfather.
|The roles|
Vanilla Townie
Hello, [Name]! You are a Vanilla Townie. You're just a simple villager, without any special powers, but you still have your word and your vote to find the Mafia that has infested your city and extinguish them!
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Cop
Hello, [Name]! You are a Cop. After multiple years of studying you're now finally a real Cop, with a shiny badge and everything. You investigate people to see if they're good or bad. However you had a nervous breakdown recently. Are you really sane?
Each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to investigate. I will tell you if the player is Guilty or Innocent.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Doctor
Hello, [Name]! You are a Doctor. As a highly educated doctor you have skills of protection. You're well liked in the town and you frequently get asked to spend the night at several people's homes to watch over them.
Each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to protect. If successful, they will survive a Night Kill, if targeted that Night.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Back-up Doctor
Hello, [Name]! You are a Back-up Doctor. You're a normal Townsperson, but you was once educated to be a doctor, so you can step in as an emergency doctor if something is happening to the normal one.
If a Doctor dies, I will send you a PM. Starting the Night after, you may each Night send me the name of a player you wish to protect. If successful, they will survive a night kill, if targeted that Night. Until then, all you have is your word and your vote though.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Vigilante
Hello, [Name]! You are a Vigilante. A former cop discharged for being too violent you have now decided that something need to clean up the mess that is LaSalle. You're patrolling the streets, searching after those Italian bastards.
Each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to kill.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
One-Shot Vigilante
Hello, [Name]! You are a One-Shot Vigilante. An old friend to the vigilante patrolling the streets you have decided to help him. You don't really have the courage of your friend though, so you will only dare to shoot one time.
One Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to kill. Even if this kill fails you will not be able to perform another.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Innocent Child
Hello, [Name]! You are an Innocent Child. You're just a poor little guy caught in the Mafia war in LaSalle. You're old enough to guess what's happening (evil grown-ups running around playing with nooses) but you're also young enough to not be suspected for the crimes.
During Day 1 I will publicly confirm in the thread that you're Town-aligned. This is you're only power and in all other aspects you're just a normal Townsperson.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Mason
Hello, [Name]! You are a Mason. So the crime rate in LaSalle is increasing, and what is the solution? Start elitist Masonic Lodges of course! You trust your fellow Masons blindly and you know that they can't be scum. The members, apart from you, is: [Partners]
During the Night you may communicate privately via this quicktopic: [Link]
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Roleblocker
Hello, [Name]! You are a Roleblocker. You have some... um... special, physical powers that can keep people busy for a whole night. You actually enjoy your trade, but LaSalle is turning into a city of crime. You do your best to stop it.
Each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to roleblock.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Back-up Roleblocker
Hello, [Name]! You are a Back-Up Roleblocker. You are an... uh, apprentice of another Roleblocker. You're a bit shy and you don't really want to use your powers just yet, but if your Mentor would die you will take her place.
If a Roleblocker dies, I will send you a PM. Starting the Night after, you may each night send me the name of a player you wish to roleblock. Until then, all you have is your word and your vote though.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and there are still at least one member of the Town left standing.
Miller
MODNOTE: This message will appear in addition to the Role PM.
You was once a member of the Russo family though, and while you're now a good person the Town do still suspect you. You will show as guilty to all investigations.
Mafia Godfather
Hello, [Name]! You are the Mafia Godfather. As the Don of the Russo family you're not amused by the bad luck of the Mafia today, losing to Korean, Jamaican and African gangs. The Russo family should rise again though! You lead your subordinates, [Partners] to take over the Town.
During the Night you may communicate privately with your fellow Mafia in this quicktopic: [Link].
Each Night one of you may also send me the name of a player you wish to kill.
If investigated by a Cop you will appear as Innocent.
You win when only members of your Mafia is alive or if Town can't avoid it.
Mafia Goon
Hello, [Name]! You are a Mafia Goon. The time is now right to strike and take over LaSalle. Fight with your partner(s), [Partners] to take over the Town.
During the Night you may communicate privately with your fellow Mafia in this quicktopic: [Link].
Each Night one of you may also send me the name of a player you wish to kill.
You win when only members of your Mafia is alive or if Town can't avoid it.
Mafia Roleblocker
Hello, [Name]! You are a Mafia Roleblocker. You're a very evil Prostitute, drugging your customers and keeping them down for the Night. Fight with your partner(s), [Partners] to take over the Town.
During the Night you may communicate privately with your fellow Mafia in this quicktopic: [Link].
Each Night one of you may also send me the name of a player you wish to kill.
Also, each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to roleblock. However, you may not perform both these actions yourself in a single night.
You win when only members of your Mafia is alive or if Town can't avoid it.
Mafia Spy
Hello, [Name]! You are a Mafia Spy. As a nephew to the Mayor you're trusted in the town, allowing you to find out what trades certain people is working in. Fight with your partner(s), [Partners] to take over the Town.
During the Night you may communicate privately with your fellow Mafia in this quicktopic: [Link].
Each Night one of you may also send me the name of a player you wish to kill.
Also, each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to investigate. If successful, you will discover what type of role that player has (TCDVMB). However, you may not perform both these actions yourself in a single night.
You win when only members of your Mafia is alive or if Town can't avoid it.
Serial Killer
MODNOTE: Not all of these powers will necessarily be available.
Hello, [Name]! You are a Serial Killer. You have always enjoyed killing, from crushing bugs as a child to killing innocent joggers as an adult. Basically, you feel the need to kill.
Each Night you may send me the name of a player you wish to kill.
To help keep you from getting caught, you have the following abilities:
Doc Bypass - Every single kill bypasses one Doctor protect
Block Bypass - Immune from one roleblock attempt every Night.
Kill Immune - Immune from one kill attempt every Night.
Investigation Immune - Appears to Cops as Town. (NOTE: An Insane Cop will see SK as Guilty.)
Spy Immune - Appears to Spy as desired. The SK do send in what role he want to appear as each Night.
Roleblocking - Has a one-shot Roleblock ability
You win if everyone else dies, even yourself.
Thanks to GMan for letting me base my role PMs on his PMs from Open 322.
Alright, now you can post.
Post a simple /in or something similar, so I know that you're in.
johnhughthom
09-12-2011, 18:05
In please.
Winston Hughes
09-12-2011, 18:22
I wonder if I'll live longer in this than I will in Capo...
I should also add that you definitely should read through the rules, preferably completely. There's a couple of rules which is not normal on this site (like no ghost talk).
TheLastDays
09-12-2011, 21:06
Yeeehaw! Is that similar enough?
Montmorency
09-12-2011, 21:22
Ich bin (in).
IN! Because I took my time to read all of that.
johnhughthom
09-12-2011, 21:23
I should also add that you definitely should read through the rules, preferably completely. There's a couple of rules which is not normal on this site (like no ghost talk).
A less eye hurty colour scheme would make such a venture more attractive.
A less eye hurty colour scheme would make such a venture more attractive.
Yes please. The teal have almost burned a hole through my eyes.
You silly persons, you're supposed to use the STW skin, the colour scheme looks ace with that skin.
TLD, is that an /in?
EDIT: Cahoma, I'm sorry but I can't allow you in. You're a dane.
Kidding :laugh4:
It burns slightly less now.
Diamondeye
09-12-2011, 21:49
I'm a Dane too. Also, In!
johnhughthom
09-12-2011, 21:50
You silly persons, you're supposed to use the STW skin, the colour scheme looks ace with that skin.
As I suspected, you are not a mafia God. If you were, you would use the Morbid skin, specifically designed by the awesome TinCow with mafiaing in mind.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-12-2011, 21:55
I'm in!!!!
classical_hero
09-12-2011, 22:56
My eyes, they bleed. Can we use a different blue colour than the one you are using. In.
Test the STW skin.
All right then, I'll change the blue.
EDIT: BETTER?!
johnhughthom
09-12-2011, 23:19
Yes, thank you. I'll read your rules now.
classical_hero
09-12-2011, 23:25
I agree with the above statements.
TheLastDays
09-13-2011, 01:25
MUCH better and yes, that was an in :yes:
robbiecon
09-13-2011, 14:41
I'm probably too late, but I'd like to participate in a C9++, so yes, that's another IN
No, you're not too late. :yes:
Still looking for one more player.
classical_hero
09-13-2011, 17:35
With this set up we could theoretically have many different games just based on this concept.
Indeed - that's why it rocks! On MS I think we have played, eh, maybe 10-15 games? With this setup alone. I haven't played in any of them though, but I've modded one of these games on another site.
EDIT: C'mon, it would be nice if we could get one more ASAP as I don't really know what access I will have to my computer this evening. IN, for Christ's sake. :laugh4:
BUMP! We only need one more!
I really shouldn't, since my time is so constrained right now, but I really love this set-up!
I'll be in.
Regarding the rule about no communicating with players outside this thread, some of us are also playing Capo right now, which pretty much hesitates PMing. I assume that's allowed as long as we don't discuss this game?
TheLastDays
09-14-2011, 21:56
I guess the rule only addresses talking about this particular game.
Indeed it does.
Day will start 0:00 my time (which is in roughly 55 minutes) if everything goes as planned.
EDIT: Not the Day phase, the confirmation stage. Sorry for the confusion.
Due to site restrictions I can't send out all role PMs at once.
Don't worry though, the time when you get your PM is in no way indicative of alignment.
EDIT: Those who already have their role PM can now start confirming in thread.
EDIT2: The Day will start when 10 have confirmed.
Montmorency
09-14-2011, 23:07
FIRsT!!!!11111111111!!
I say we lynch Montmorency for obvious reasons.
Winston Hughes
09-14-2011, 23:13
Confirmed.
johnhughthom
09-14-2011, 23:13
Confirming receipt of Mafia Godfather role as per host request.
TheLastDays
09-14-2011, 23:31
Confirming receipt of Mafia Godfather role as per host request.
Can I have a glass of that wine?
Confirming!
robbiecon
09-15-2011, 00:16
I say boy, I do appear to have got mail.
Couldn't the in-thread confirming be skipped by tracking the read receipts?
classical_hero
09-15-2011, 00:33
Yeah. Confirmed anyway.
Diamondeye
09-15-2011, 00:35
Confirming :)
Confirmed, conformed, and confounded.
Day 1 starts now. Warman will get 24 hours to confirm from now.
Deadline will hit in
Also, Cahoma is confirmed innocent.
VOTECOUNT PAGE 2:
Not voting: johnhughthom, Winston Hughes, Oh! TheLastDays!, Montmorency, Cahoma, Diamondeye, ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Zack, hero di classico, Visorslash, robbiecon, B_Ray
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1):
No Lynch:
Deadline will hit in .
7 for lynch by majority.
Oh yeah I'm confirmed innocent babies!
No lynchin' me in this game.:D
Diamondeye
09-15-2011, 08:55
Vote: Montmorency. It sounds French.
Vote: Montmorency because he said first before I had the chance.
Montmorency
09-15-2011, 10:51
I have no rebuttal. :shame:
TheLastDays
09-15-2011, 11:43
vote: Zack, because it's about time I start metagaming him.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-15-2011, 13:01
vote: Zack
I've been Mafia in the last two games I played, so it's statistically impossible for me to be mafia this game. :yes:
Vote: Visorslash for ignoring probability.
Diamondeye
09-15-2011, 17:21
I've been Mafia in the last two games I played, so it's statistically impossible for me to be mafia this game. :yes:
:laugh4: Amateur :wink:
johnhughthom has requested replacement.
vote: Zack, because it's about time I start metagaming him.Vote: TheLastDays
TheLastDays
09-15-2011, 22:40
Seriously, get a sense of humour :clown:
If you wish, I can cite multiple games where I acted as silly as possible and was lynched D1/D2.
VOTECOUNT PAGE 3:
Not voting: johnhughthom, Winston Hughes, hero di classico, robbiecon
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1 without voting): Montmorency
No Lynch:
B_Ray: Visorslash
Montmorency (2): Diamondeye, Cahoma
Zack (2): Oh! TheLastDays!, ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
Visorslash: B_Ray
Oh! TheLastDays!: Zack
Deadline will hit in .
7 for lynch by majority.
Montmorency and Zack is both at L-5.
Looking after a replacement for johnhughthom. PM me if interested.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-15-2011, 23:27
Can we all just get along :laugh:?
Ya'll know I'm innocent right so if a cop have investigated someone, tell me and I can post it here without anyone discovering the cops identity. Right?
Ya'll know I'm innocent right so if a cop have investigated someone, tell me and I can post it here without anyone discovering the cops identity. Right?
3char
There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. If someone contacts you outside the game you should report it to the game Mod IMMEDIATELY.
Winston Hughes
09-16-2011, 00:30
vote: johnhughthom's replacement
unvote: Visorslash
vote: Montmorency
I forgot about the majority requirement. Just bandwagoning to get the ball rolling.
Montmorency
09-16-2011, 02:47
Bandwagon? What a shame.
L-5?
classical_hero
09-16-2011, 04:49
vote:visorslash Because I can.
Because I can indulge in OMGUS.
Unvote; Vote: hero di classico
Majority is NOT required for lynch. Please tell me if this is still somewhere in the rules, as majority was a requirement in the base of my ruleset.
Also, if you didn't read the ruleset yet, do so now. Remember that this game have unusual rules.
classical_hero
09-16-2011, 07:23
VOTECOUNT PAGE 3:
Not voting: johnhughthom, Winston Hughes, hero di classico, robbiecon
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1 without voting): Montmorency
No Lynch:
B_Ray: Visorslash
Montmorency (2): Diamondeye, Cahoma
Zack (2): Oh! TheLastDays!, ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
Visorslash: B_Ray
Oh! TheLastDays!: Zack
Deadline will hit in .
7 for lynch by majority.
Montmorency and Zack is both at L-5.
Looking after a replacement for johnhughthom. PM me if interested. I underlined the important part, so what exactl does that mean then, if it does not mean that you need 7 votes for a lynch?
TheLastDays
09-16-2011, 08:19
From my understanding of the rulepost it means as soon as someone reaches a simple majority in votes he will be lynched, regardless how much time is left on the clock, he cannot be redeemed. If no one reaches a simple majority by the end of the day, the person with the most votes on them will be lynched,
robbiecon
09-16-2011, 13:23
Vote:ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
Bandwagoning, immediately after a vote has been placed, without so much as a character in addition to it. No-no. Not on my watch.
From my understanding of the rulepost it means as soon as someone reaches a simple majority in votes he will be lynched, regardless how much time is left on the clock, he cannot be redeemed. If no one reaches a simple majority by the end of the day, the person with the most votes on them will be lynched,
Correct.
Montmorency
09-16-2011, 22:26
It looks like I'll have to resort to tie-voting. Vote: Zack.
I won't be present when deadline hits but voting will be closed, so no votes after the deadline. The 12 hours for breaking a hypothetical tie still applies from deadline.
TheLastDays
09-17-2011, 00:10
Someone has to die Day 1 and I don't really think Zacks guilty. Not sure about Monty either but I have to go to bed and it's all I can do right now.
unvote, vote: Montmorency
If I can't sleep for some reason and check back in a few hours I might change. This game could use some more activity.
Montmorency
09-17-2011, 00:38
We don't have to lynch someone. :3
Unvote, Vote: Montmorency
Why am I consistently targeted so early? I'm remarkably average in skill.
TheLastDays
09-17-2011, 10:30
We don't have to lynch someone. :3
I don't see you voting No Lynch, but you're correct, it could be helpful just in the beginning, especially since this game has fewer numbers than a usual small game.
Let's see who bites.
unvote, vote: No Lynch
TheLastDays
09-17-2011, 10:31
Okay scratch that, I thought there was still time.
FINAL VOTECOUNT DAY 1:
Not voting: johnhughthom
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1 without voting):
No Lynch:
Montmorency (5): Diamondeye, Cahoma, B_Ray, Oh! TheLastDays!, Zack
Zack (2): ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Montmorency
johnhughthom: Winston Hughes
Visorslash: hero di classico
hero di classico: Visorslash
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK: robbiecon
Deadline will hit in .
7 for lynch by majority.
Montmorency got lynched Day 1.
STILL looking after a replacement for johnhughthom. PM me if interested. I may extend the Night phase if I don't find a replacement soon. If you guys know someone who could be interested in replacing in, please PM that person.
Montmorency was desperate. He tried to get Zack lynched (shouting: I HAVE TO TIE VOTE I HAVE TO TIE VOTE) but it was in vain. Now the noose was tied around his neck and he gave up. After all, everyone would die, sooner or later.
Meanwhile, an Italian man was laughing hysterically a couple of kilometres away...
Montmorency, Vanilla Townie, was lynched Day 1.
Night 1 begins now. I want to have all Night actions by
TheLastDays
09-17-2011, 12:32
It's what is to be expected on Day 1, at least it wasn't a power role.
No talking during the Night, please. This is your only warning. I know I have a lot of unusual rules, so please take the time to read the ruleset.
How did TLD and I manage to both vote for two different people?
Zack, considering the post right above you I have to give you an official warning. Please stop posting now, it's the Night phase.
EDIT: Your official warning is retracted, I didn't originally understand the meaning of your post. The last vote count is updated.
In the future though, please PM me about such things if it's during the Night phase.
Sorry.
The deadline will be extended with another 24 hours because I still haven't found a replacement for johnhughthom. If you know someone who could be interested, contact him. If I don't find a replacement at the new deadline I will be forced to modkill him.
Earthling replaces johnhughthom. Thanks! Deadline for Night actions is the one in the first post, the Day won't start until I get home from work though.
Earthling
09-19-2011, 05:38
GM asked me to confirm that I'm in as a replacement. Here, and read through the rules.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, hero di classico and robbiecon was close friends. This night they was out at a night club in LaSalle. They had a pretty good time, but when they was going home Robbie was hit by something in the neck. He turned around and it was a - grenade. The gang didn't run away in time.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Vanilla Townie, was killed Night 1.
hero di classico, Doctor, was killed Night 1.
robbiecon, Roleblocker, was killed Night 1.
Day 2 starts now. The deadline is
Diamondeye
09-19-2011, 15:49
Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup, and it looks like there might be at least one Vigilante, too. The setup allows for only one mafia kill and one SK, as far as I understand.
For now, I am going to Vote:Zack.
Diamondeye
09-19-2011, 15:49
Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup
And M, Cahoma's an Innocent Child, of course... Hmm.
TheLastDays
09-19-2011, 16:08
Oo - So I guess the writeup just incorporates three kills into one?
Mafia, SK + Vig?
It's tough because if we don't know who killed who, it's going to be hard to get the scum via kill choices.
TheLastDays
09-19-2011, 16:09
But let's start to pressure a bit anways. Vote: Earthling just so the replacement doesn't feel left out :yes:
Earthling
09-19-2011, 18:06
I think it has to be Vote: Zack. There are reasons to that, but let's see how the wagon rolls.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-19-2011, 18:20
Vote: Zack
I'll argee!!
:knight: :knight:
Diamondeye
09-19-2011, 18:23
Woah, guys! I'm going to step off this wagon before it just goes bonkers and unvote; Vote:ELITEKINGWHATEVERCAKEMANNAME for so enthusiastically joining on third.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-19-2011, 18:25
Woah, guys! I'm going to step off this wagon before it just goes bonkers and unvote; Vote:ELITEKINGWHATEVERCAKEMANNAME for so enthusiastically joining on third.
Aren't you nice :laugh:?
Earthling
09-19-2011, 18:37
He's dead.
Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.
Diamondeye
09-19-2011, 19:27
He's dead.
Facepalm. Then he needs to stop pretending to vote :gripe:
Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.
I think I understand what you're asking here, and I think the answer is no, but please elaborate. Which part of the post are you referring to and why would it disclude me from being a pro-town power-role? Or an SK, for that matter? Speaking hypothetically, of course.
classical_hero
09-19-2011, 22:04
I was surprised that you did not notice that. More time to concentrate on Capo
Where did the bandwagon on me come from?
*looks at my username*
Oh, right.
The bolded colors in the updates and tallies hurt my eyes, tbh.
Vote: Earthling
Color me curious as to why the night phase couldn't advance until JHT was replaced.
TheLastDays
09-19-2011, 22:15
The bolded colors in the updates and tallies hurt my eyes, tbh.
Vote: Earthling
Color me curious as to why the night phase couldn't advance until JHT was replaced.
Exactly my idea.
I would just like to clarify that it is a modding standard of mine to extend the night when a player needs to get replaced, in order not to give clues about that person's role. Me extending the night phase is in no way indicative of his role and/or alignment.
Winston Hughes
09-19-2011, 22:50
If not for their initial votes against one another on day 1, I'd have said Zack and TLD were blatantly working together here. But, on the other hand, maybe that kind of doubt is exactly what those votes were supposed to engender.
vote: Zack
TheLastDays
09-19-2011, 23:00
Yes, we're blatantly working together here :yes:
I don't think it's Zack and I had no idea anyone else would vote Earthling when I did so, at the beginning of the day phase. I'm applying pressure where I see fit. You, on the other hand, have enough evidence on Zack to be third on his bandwagon? Care to explain?
unvote, vote: Winston Hughes
TheLastDays
09-19-2011, 23:01
Never mind, I just realised that with DE's unvote you are only the second vote on Zack. Still, I'd like to hear some reasons for you vote.
Winston Hughes
09-19-2011, 23:23
Today's votes on Earthling follow on from you and Zack switching to Montmorency in fairly quick succession yesterday, right after Mont directed his own vote to draw Zack level. At the time, you said that Zack didn't look guilty, though how on earth you could determine that from his posts to that point is completely beyond me.
Unvote, Vote: Oh! TheLastDays!
There you go, Winston.
Apparently I am dumb. For those who can make educated guesses as to what possible roles (particularly anti-town roles) are in the game based on those that were revealed last night, could you share with the rest of us?
vote: Cahoma
Voting for the confirmed townie, seriously?
unvote; vote: TheLastDays
Totally forgot about that, thank you for the reminder!
Earthling
09-20-2011, 04:54
Care to explain?
This also goes for anyone asking what they're missing on figuring out the game setup.
Before I go on, Diamondeye still doesn't make sense to me but he did remind me of one thing I'd missed, a serial killer would be kill immune as in the setup and doesn't fear death at night by mafia/vig, only the lynch, so anyone could be a serial killer and be more aggressive in thread, particularly if they felt the town needed to be rallied to beat the mafia. I don't get his votes but recognize I was withholding points earlier until more people showed up so his response to me is ok, so long as we lynch a mafia today.
On the setup/strategy, here's simply what we know:
With the number of town roles already, the setup would have three mafia.
Three kills last night as far as I can also tell means either mafia, town vig, and SK, or mafia and two vigs. I think two vigs (or vig +1-shot vig) is much less likely, if it's true that means we're just better off and can get lucky even though they failed last night.
There's always the very small chance there are still more town roles, than the Doctor, Blocker, Mason/Child, and Vig we already have, in which case we move further down the setup possibilities, but still 3 mafia and probably still an SK, and too remote a chance to think about.
So 3 Mafia + 1 SK is worst case for the town but also most likely, I think we have to work with that.
Then Cahoma is confirmed Innocent. Any townie knows what they are obviously. That just leaves 6 people so very, very good odds that anybody you could lynch just turns up as a scum. That alone is all that's needed for a wagon on Zack, or you TLD, really, but Zack is the default to me because he got saved from the lynch yesterday and a townie was lynched, so why not guess some of those voters were mafia.
The real question is what happens tonight. Could be 2 or 3 kills, if people target the same victims then fewer, or if someone targets the SK he doesn't die. But what we want for the town is 2 mafia dead before the next day or they're too close to controlling the lynch. 1 mafia, the SK, 3 townies for 5 remaining is still a chance (for everyone, really, but at least town is still in it). That's what we want, hopefully the SK sees the need for at least one mafia to die too because they could straight outvote him too.
Diamondeye
09-20-2011, 06:59
I know this comes out of the blue, but Earthling makes a helluvalot of sense right now. I'm going to replace my vote since the gingerbreadman was just making fun of me anyway.
Unvote; Vote: Zack.
TheLastDays
09-20-2011, 08:11
Earthlings post does make sense.
I'd like to hear Winston's reasons for his vote though, as it came before, and especially I'd like him to talk about why he just went on throwing out accusations without explanation when I first asked him for his reasoning.
I'm willing to follow Earthling on his theory for today.
Man, you people jump at any chance you have to lynch me.
Oh, and I'm the backup doctor btw.
Diamondeye
09-20-2011, 15:13
Okay, benefit of doubt and a clear bandwagoner here makes me unvote and Vote:Visorslash. Since the doc is dead, I think we have to give Zack the benefit of the doubt on his claim, because it looks like there might be a lot of roles (and thus a powerful Mafia faction) which means we need all the protection we can get.
If Zack is telling the truth, we currently have CDDVMB down, at least. If that third kill is an SK, this matches the "weakest" Mafia+SK Setup (ie. TTTTTT) without any further power-roles. Also, if the third kill is an SK, we can figure out now that there has to be an even amount of T's which restricts the possibilities of the setup quite a bit...
Just thinking out loud now, of course.
TheLastDays
09-20-2011, 16:36
I don't know if this was good because Zack just painted a target on his back with no one to protect him while I was actually in the lead I think.
Anyway, I agree on the shameless bandwagoning by Visor but would still like to hear more from Winston.
Winston Hughes
09-20-2011, 17:20
unvote
If that third kill is an SK, this matches the "weakest" Mafia+SK Setup (ie. TTTTTT) without any further power-roles. Also, if the third kill is an SK, we can figure out now that there has to be an even amount of T's which restricts the possibilities of the setup quite a bit...
You've lost me here. Could you explain how you reach those conclusions?
Anyway, I agree on the shameless bandwagoning by Visor but would still like to hear more from Winston.
Did you miss what I said in post 115?
TheLastDays
09-20-2011, 18:07
You've lost me here. Could you explain how you reach those conclusions?
It's the game setup, you can have a look at it in post #3 or #4.
There are seven potential power roles, depending on a random roll.
So far we have
M (innocent child, revealed right at the beginning)
B (Roleblocker, died Night 1)
D (Doctor, died Night 1)
D (Backup Doctor, if Zack's telling the truth)
So we have (at least) four power roles, this is where DE's analysis is off, if I understand the setup correctly. We have a maximum of three Ts in that original role distribution and TTT is a setup without a serial killer, so we have, at least, a TT setup.
This means we have one or two more pro town power roles and we face a Mafia, consisting of three members and a serial killer.
Did you miss what I said in post 115?
Alright, just reread it. I hadn't determined that Zack was innocent, my comment "I don't really think Zacks guilty" was to explain that my early vote on him was a joke vote, motivated by the situation that he complained about being meta gamed all the time on CFC.
So, based on my setup analysis I think it's pretty important we get a Mafia today and I'm not a Mafia, so I would advise us all to search harder.
Earthling
09-20-2011, 21:36
Diamondeye why did you say there's a cop?
If it's DDMVB then that matches the two T setup - with 3 mafia and an SK.
If you know for sure there's a cop role, then there are yet more roles out there, or it just means Zack is lying about being backup doctor.
Earthling
09-20-2011, 21:45
Right, so to reiterate my position is that really needs answering from Diamondeye. If we can be sure there are no other town roles (well, still the vig and Cahoma is Mason-Child) then Zack's claim makes sense. If people are sure there is a cop, then I would guess Zack has a false claim. Just about anybody else could still be scum by the numbers again so I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.
TheLastDays
09-20-2011, 21:55
What evidence is there for a cop in the game? Are you sure DE didn't just mean the Vig? Also I forgot the vig in my post.
Earthling
09-20-2011, 22:01
No, he listed a cop in the post above but as you and Winston pointed out it didn't really make sense, what he was saying with too many T's in the setup. He could just be trying to confuse us, like how he didn't vote for Zack yesterday but started off on Zack today of his own accord. But if he's mafia I doubt that both the wagons on Zack and Visorslash are safe for him so I don't get that either.
Of course I would be trigger-happy to mark Diamondeye down as the serial killer after all but that's a bit biased. :clown:
In and of itself Zack's claim makes sense - backup doctor makes DDMVB and matches the scum that seem to be out there. Still have 3 mafia and an SK though.
I probably should unvote: Zack for now.
Diamondeye
09-20-2011, 22:22
What evidence is there for a cop in the game? Are you sure DE didn't just mean the Vig? Also I forgot the vig in my post.
I confused the Cop and the Roleblocker, yes. So most of that analysis is a bit off.
Actually, it means that instead of that C, there needs to be at least one other "special" role if there really is an SK...
I've been quiet because I've been out for most of the day yesterday, and I will be as well today.
Unvote; Vote: O! TLD!
I'M the scummy bandwagoner? For shame.
Unvote;
But that is the way you always play. I'll be back later today and see what's happened. I don't see the case on me though.
Quiet? :yes: Total indicator of scum. Please kill me immediately because I am oh-so suspicious because of that.
Bandwagons? ONE. On Zack, who you had posted a good case on at the time.
So yeah. That's it.
TheLastDays
09-20-2011, 23:02
And now you're sillily throwing your vote on the next bandwagon to save your own hide? When I was not the one who brought up your bandwagoning?
unvote, vote: Visorslash
In case I can't edit voted posts.
Unvote
Vote: Zack
He claimed doctor right after the bandwagon was starting on him. There's noone to protect him, so he's getting killed tonight anyways, which he'd of course know. I think he's lying.
@ Cahoma
You may be right.
Vote: Zack
He claimed doctor right after the bandwagon was starting on him. There's noone to protect him, so he's getting killed tonight anyways, which he'd of course know. I think he's lying.
That doesn't make any sense.
Diamondeye
09-21-2011, 06:49
That doesn't make any sense.
Yes it does. Some of us are giving you a chance here though.
Have you recieved a PM stating that you can protect since the doctor died? Or is there a second doctor out there who can protect you tonight?
Please don't answer in this thread (neither you or the eventual other doctor). Just think about it. There might be.
Tally:
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray
1 x Winston Hughes (TLD)
1 x Visorslash (Diamondeye)
I believe that's correct. TLD, your vote on me is incorrect, I believe, as you didn't bold the unvote part.
I don't know if this was good because Zack just painted a target on his back with no one to protect him while I was actually in the lead I think.
Anyway, I agree on the shameless bandwagoning by Visor but would still like to hear more from Winston.
Actually, you did bring up my "shameless" bandwagoning. Even though I thought his case was reasonable, doubt has been cast with the claim.
TheLastDays
09-21-2011, 07:28
Nope, DE brought it up, I only agreed and still do.
My vote on you should be valid. The rules state that an unvote isn't necessary but appreciated. Wasn't on purpose on my part but still it should count.
You are the best choice at the moment. Bandwagoning without much explanation, just following along. Winston is still fishy as well.
Also, B_Ray, care to explain how you voted for Cahoma, the innocent, first and then switched to a bandwagon vote with no reasoning at all?
Earthling
09-21-2011, 07:41
Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
Zack claiming backup doctor is very bold and clever as scum but it works by the setup if he is town, and then we just have our 3 mafia and SK so pretty much any lynch works.
vote: Visorslash
and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
And why?
If I understand this correctly, we have 8 players left right?
3 are scum, 4 are town and one is a serial killer apparently?
Winston Hughes
09-21-2011, 08:04
Vote: Earthling
I stopped asking myself who I find suspicious, and started asking myself who I haven't found suspicious, and his name jumped right out at me. His analysis has been sober, considered and, as far as can be expected, accurate. Now, for one thing, this is somewhat out of character for a townie Earthling. Although it's not unusual to see him working out the set-up of a game, when playing as town he is, in my experience, always aggressive and confrontational when it comes to dealing with other players. From the look of the way he's acting here, I'd say his usual "I don't care if I'm suspicious" attitude is absent, and he's trying quite hard to avoid getting in people's faces. For another thing, it's worth remembering that the people in the best position to understand the set-up are those who have the most information from the start and who can confer between themselves behind the scenes, ie. the mafia. This, then, would explain why Earthling was able to move so quickly from dropping in as a replacement, to having a better grip on the game than anyone else appears to have.
Tally:
Vote: Earthling
2 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes, Visorslash)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray
3 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD, Earthling)
Please tell me what the case on me is about, so I can defend myself. :bow:
Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
When did I say that? Or anything like that?
Okay, benefit of doubt and a clear bandwagoner
So Diamondeye is given free reign to vote Zack? I'm not? TLD is allowed to agree with your post, but focus on Winston for some stupid reason? And I vote with your case and suddenly I'm a bandwagoner, where so is Diamondeye? Granted I am slighlty worse, but still. :tongue:
Quiet? I've posted more than a lot of people in this thread, granted more recently, but still. I don't lurk in games. You should know that Earthling and you to Diamondeye.
I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts. Have you *looked* at my posts? Or anyone elses? Why me in particular? I voted on one bandwagon, Zack's, because it was the best lead we had on that point and I was tired, didn't really want to focus on mafia. B_Ray, voting the innocent child? He has posted hardly anything.
And now you're sillily throwing your vote on the next bandwagon to save your own hide?
So when you do it, (Netherworld) you're not scum? And when I do it, I am? That's a tad hypocritical there.
Unvote; Vote: TLD
So there. :tongue:
1 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray, Visorslash)
3 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD, Earthling)
Unvote; Vote: Oh! TheLastDays!
In case edited votes are not counted. You sir, are scummier than me.
TheLastDays
09-21-2011, 08:32
So when you do it, (Netherworld) you're not scum? And when I do it, I am? That's a tad hypocritical there.
Only that Netherworld is over and I'm proven to have been innocent there.
You took the easy way, wagoning Zack and then, when things went your way, you immediately voted on the next best target, which was me at that point.
I was suspicious of you from your vote on Zack already, as I never bought the "case" on him. Your scummy panic switch was only another step down the road to Mafiatown.
TheLastDays
09-21-2011, 08:32
In case edited votes are not counted. You sir, are scummier than me.
Please elaborate.
Unvote; Vote: Earthling
I agree with Winston. More so than I agree with Earthling. He is always in your face, see Capo and ATPG Mafia 2 for examples. This is a change...
2 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes, Visorslash)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray)
3 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD, Earthling)
Only that Netherworld is over and I'm proven to have been innocent there.
Hypocritical. :rolleyes:
You took the easy way, wagoning Zack and then, when things went your way, you immediately voted on the next best target, which was me at that point.
I was suspicious of you from your vote on Zack already, as I never bought the "case" on him. Your scummy panic switch was only another step down the road to Mafiatown.
I took the easy way, huh? So there is something with following someone's elses case? Wow. What a piece of :daisy:.
Next best target is you for being a scumball. Bull:daisy:. You said you agreed with Earthling. (Read:agreed) but you kept to your vote of Winston so you could set up a case on the poor sod (me) who happened to vote Zack next.
Vote switching means you're mafia eh? THEN HOW COME YOU WERE ABLE TO DO IT IN NETHERWORLD AND IT WAS FINE? :tongue:
In fact lynch anyone who has ever changed a vote, because they must be scum.
Earthling
09-21-2011, 08:45
Oh dear Winston. Is Visorslash your mafia roleblocker? That would definitely be the best we could get for the town, as it prevents them from blocking the vig or SK at night.
Wrong faction. Try serial killer.
Earthling
09-21-2011, 09:02
bbbut Diamondeye has to be the SK...:stare:
You do what you have to. Now, because you poor sods found me out, you can lynch me, and the town loses. :D
Earthling
09-21-2011, 09:11
If we lynch you and you are the SK the town probably does lose, I'll give you that. It would be entirely on the mafia to make a mistake because they could block or kill the vig, and we can't count on them to fail.
unvote: Visorslash; vote: Winston Hughes
That takes care of the problem if you really are just mafia partners and you're bluffing - he might be saving you when you're a more important mafia role but we'd still get one.
As an aside, Zack should protect Cahoma regardless of what happens here or what anyone else claims - no guarantee we can protect the town vig. Know he'd be in the doctor-WIFOM situation but still the call that has to be made, Cahoma surviving for the lynch tomorrow or at the end would greatly increase our chances of victory.
2 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes, Visorslash)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray)
2 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD)
1 x Winston Hughes (Earthling)
Earthling
09-21-2011, 09:42
Visorslash, if you're really an SK, what do you think about Diamondeye's "lynch-anyone-but-me" phenotype? Is he your call for the town vig, or otherwise you must think he's one of the scum right?
I actually like that tally for information purposes. However:
People (town, really) need to be extremely careful about moving their votes to where someone could be lynched with a 5/8 majority. The three mafia could still coordinate their votes and just switch and get that, especially to get someone like Visorslash if he really is the SK, and taking him down just lets the mafia beat the town. If you're sure it's the right lynch, of course we need to do that before deadline, but just for the sake of temporary pressure that's a no. I hadn't quite realized how risky we were before, earlier in the day, it's possible only lack of mafia attention/coordination saved us.
It is really interesting that we had 4 votes on Zack at one point yet no one jumped to the majority for an auto-lynch - some mafia might have already been on that wagon and couldn't rally though. Diamondeye jumping off there really surprises me, you did too Visor, and I get why the SK would do it but you can't both be the SK.
I'm not too sure on Diamondeye. I could go either way.
Either way, it's up to the town to save the day. I will follow any vote really. Doesn't really matter anymore, I'm a dead man walking.
But, it's lynch or lose for you folks. I'm willing to give the town a shot, just pick a target for me.
Earthling
09-21-2011, 10:00
I can't believe Winston is the town vig. I still kinda think you are just mafia partners and claimed SK, but if that's true the town gets a mafia anyway, and if you are the SK Winston could still be mafia.
Zack is looking more like a townie and between TLD and Diamondeye I'd be willing to believe one is town. I gotta say I am baffled by who is working together, because the three scum should be working together, but they didn't manage anything like voting in quick succession to just get the majoriy lynch. Then B_Ray could easily be the third scum to any combination of people but that's a hard lynch to get people going for now plus all he did was that one silly vote on Cahoma and I'd rather go on a better hypothesis.
So I'd say Winston, and again, it's insurance against the chance that you are scum together so you can't bluff your way out (but if you are an SK, you lose nothing by just lynching someone else)
Alright then.
Unvote; Vote: Winston Hughes
1 x Earthling (Winston_Hughes)
1 x Zack (Cahoma)
2 x TLD (Zack, B_Ray)
2 x Visorslash (Diamondeye, TLD)
2 x Winston Hughes (Earthling, Visorslash)
Timer:
So you guys don't have to look at the front page.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-21-2011, 14:02
Vote:Earthling
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-21-2011, 14:12
I am :sad:? What page is the write-up on?
TheLastDays
09-21-2011, 14:20
Lol, Warman, you're a classic.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-21-2011, 15:26
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, hero di classico and robbiecon was close friends. This night they was out at a night club in LaSalle. They had a pretty good time, but when they was going home Robbie was hit by something in the neck. He turned around and it was a - grenade. The gang didn't run away in time.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, Vanilla Townie, was killed Night 1.
hero di classico, Doctor, was killed Night 1.
robbiecon, Roleblocker, was killed Night 1.
Day 2 starts now. The deadline is
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :sad:!
4. Go check it.
Thank you!! :balloon2::balloon2:
Lol, Warman, you're a classic.
I know. :pimp: :pimp:
Warman, be quiet now or I will be forced to modkill you.
Diamondeye
09-21-2011, 15:50
If Winston is scum, he's covering Visor here. So I'll unvote; Vote: WH and Visor is the lynch tomorrow if we've got a mobster in the net.
Winston Hughes
09-21-2011, 16:24
Visor isn't the SK, he's scum.
Unvote; Vote: Visorslash
Winston Hughes
09-21-2011, 16:37
Bah, just too late in the day. Good luck, town. You're going to need it.
Winston Hughes
09-21-2011, 16:44
The clue should have been the difference in how Visor and I were playing. Someone said it before: the SK had to help the town catch the mafia.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-21-2011, 18:25
Warman, be quiet now or I will be forced to modkill you.
Eh,What? :dizzy2:
Diamondeye
09-21-2011, 19:06
The timer says I'm too late, but just in case that's not true, unvote; Vote: Visor would tip it in favour of Visor's lynch, I think. People should've joined me on that earlier.
FINAL VOTECOUNT DAY 2:
Not voting:
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1 without voting):
No Lynch:
Zack: Cahoma
Oh! TheLastDays! (2): Zack, B_Ray
Visorslash (2): Oh! TheLastDays!, Winston Hughes
Winston Hughes (3): Earthling, Visorslash, Diamondeye
Deadline will hit in .
5 for lynch by majority.
Winston Hughes got lynched Day 2.
Winston Hughes tried to hide his knife behind his back but it was in vain. The Town found it and he was quickly hanged.
Winston Hughes, Serial Killer, was lynched Day 2.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, former Vanilla Townie, now Neutral Survivor was modkilled and autolost Day 2 for repeated posting after death.
Night 2 begins now. I want to have all Night actions by
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-22-2011, 16:10
FINAL VOTECOUNT DAY 2:
Not voting:
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 1 without voting):
No Lynch:
Zack: Cahoma
Oh! TheLastDays! (2): Zack, B_Ray
Visorslash (2): Oh! TheLastDays!, Winston Hughes
Winston Hughes (3): Earthling, Visorslash, Diamondeye
Deadline will hit in .
5 for lynch by majority.
Winston Hughes got lynched Day 2.
Winston Hughes tried to hide his knife behind his back but it was in vain. The Town found it and he was quickly hanged.
Winston Hughes, Serial Killer, was lynched Day 2.
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK, former Vanilla Townie, now Neutral Survivor was modkilled and autolost Day 2 for repeated posting after death.
Night 2 begins now. I want to have all Night actions by
Would you care to explain to me what the hell is a ModKill? Why does it matter, I AM ALREADY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You autolose when modkilled, so if town win you still lose in this case.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-22-2011, 16:33
Now, if you told me this ahead of time I would have stop talking! :yes: :laugh:
I hope my town loses then!
It's all in the rules. This is why I told you guys to read them.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
09-22-2011, 20:36
You pissed me off with your rules. Shame on you! No Cashews and Milk for you!! I should ModKill you in my game but..... :laugh4:
It was a dark and windy Night, and the townspeople thought it was too cold to check each other's houses and protect each other. That was fatal, because in the morning they found two dead bodies.
Cahoma, Innocent Child, was killed Night 2.
Oh! TheLastDays!, Mafia, was killed Night 2.
Day 3 starts now. The deadline is
TheLastDays
09-22-2011, 21:45
a brief “Bah!”-type post that contains NO game related information.
I was just a little child! YOU MONSTERS!
Waaaaaaaaaaah!
Should've gone with my lynch choice yesterday.
From the information I know (dead people, number of nightly kills, and my own role), I suspect that this is the setup:
DDMBVTT
DD: Doctor (hero di classico) + Backup Doctor (Me)
M: Innocent Child (Cahoma)
B: Roleblocker (robbiecon)
V: Vigilante (?) -- determined since there is one mafia kill and one SK kill per night, yet an additional kill has been evident each night.
TT: Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather (Mafia); Serial Killer (Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune, Investigation Immune) -- I don't know of any other roles, so this is the conclusion I have come to.
Now, the following are the remaining roles that are still alive:
Backup Doctor -- Me
Vigilante -- ?
Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Godfather (pick one) -- ?
Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Godfather (pick one) -- ?
Vanilla Townie -- ?
And here are the remaining players:
Earthling
Diamondeye
Zack
Visorslash
B_Ray
Since Earthling, Diamondeye, and myself have all shown a clear attempt to try and figure out the game, its setup, and the alignment of other players, and Visorslash and B_Ray have not made as clear an attempt to do so, I conclude that Visorslash and B_Ray are likely the two remaining scumbags.
Vote: B_Ray
Voting analysis to follow.
Oh, and I must have been roleblocked last night, as I tried to protect Cahoma. Since TheLastDays died, I think it's safe to say that the Mafia Roleblocker is still alive, and that TLD was either the Godfather or the Goon.
Visorslash
Day 1
Vote: B_Ray
Typical scum move: distance yourself from your teammate by outright voting them at the very beginning of Day 1, when there is little risk of them actually being lynched.
Because I can indulge in OMGUS.
Unvote; Vote: hero di classico
Switched his vote off of B_Ray to assure his buddy wasn't lynched -- better safe than sorry.
Day 2
Vote: Zack
Without any comment, jumps on the bandwagon. He was third. Hmmm.
I've been quiet because I've been out for most of the day yesterday, and I will be as well today.
Unvote; Vote: O! TLD!
I'M the scummy bandwagoner? For shame.
Unvote;
But that is the way you always play. I'll be back later today and see what's happened. I don't see the case on me though.
Quiet? :yes: Total indicator of scum. Please kill me immediately because I am oh-so suspicious because of that.
Bandwagons? ONE. On Zack, who you had posted a good case on at the time.
So yeah. That's it.
Again, see what I said about his vote and unvote against B_Ray. Here, Visor votes for his scum buddy, then immediately unvotes, as there is a good chance TLD could be lynched (and he almost was).
@ Cahoma
You may be right.
See, Visor is looking for any chance to cast suspicion on me. After all, mafia tend to dislike doctors.
Quoting posts is tiresome, so I'm just going to summarize what I see for now. If you want to find the quotes, feel free to do so.
Visor keeps posting these tallies to make sure that TLD isn't lynched, since he's so close to the lead.
Visor again votes for TLD, then again switches off of him.
TLD votes for Visor -- TLD saw the bandwagon coming on Visor, then jumped on the bandwagon to make himself look town. Unfortunately for TLD, he didn't survive the night. Fortunately for the town, it looks like this careful voting was to ensure that TheLastDays -- the Godfather? -- wasn't lynched, and Visorslash -- the Goon? -- was, as he was deemed much more expendable, due to the nature of the goon's role, the numbers the mafia had (2 is still very, very good for only 5 players left), and to give TLD some serious town cred.
Visor votes for Earthling, someone who already has a vote, to try and catapult him ahead of himself and TLD. I also think it's interesting to note that Visor never comes up with his own cases, he just jumps on a case someone else already made.
Wrong faction. Try serial killer.
(Had to quote this, due to the importance.)
PIS! PIS! PIS!
Visor knew that Winston wasn't mafia, and that he was a serial killer!
Oh, and Visor used the rolleyes smiley at one point. Rolleyes = scum.
Oh, and Unvote, Vote: Visorslash.
And I should mention that in his limited amount of posts -- something he did as scum in Three Wolf Moon, btw -- he exhibited the same behaviors as Visorslash. Voted for teammates when they weren't in danger, voting Visor then quickly unvoting.
Actually, looking back in hindsight, I'm not so sure that Earthling or Diamondeye aren't scum. They both voted for Winston, someone who was accusing TLD, and neither ever accused TLD, nor did TLD ever accuse either of them. I need to take a break, I'll be back to talk later. Someone else post, this is getting ridiculous.
For now, Unvote.
Earthling
09-22-2011, 23:44
I'm here, and I'll vote: Visorslash. Visorslash is clearly mafia, and that gives us three townies to the one mafia left so we should get it anyway. I think it's him and B_Ray, rather than Diamondeye who I'll give benefit of the doubt, can't be entirely sure but that's what I'd go with.
This is kinda hilarious though, that Cahoma was actually killed. Mafia, y u so bad?
They could have roleblocked or killed the town vig, as they had only like, two people to choose from, but they must have blocked Zack to be able to kill Cahoma.
Pretty much everything you said does seem right to me Zack, including the DDMVB which is pretty certain now, this was a fun if bloody setup with so many killers.
I have made no attempt to work out the setup, in the thread. I have a word document on my computer with notes and stuff I can copy and paste here if you like.
Because we have TTDDVBM
That's 7 players, and it points to the three mafia and SK so that's 11 players. So there will actually be an extra vanilla townie.
And I claimed serial killer yesterday for a number of reasons:
I didn't want to be killed. :shrug:. I had just helped the town to another loss on another game on TWC *as town*, so any chance I could take to evade the lynch and thereby help the team was a choice I would take. Unfortunately, or fortunately as some may see it, we lynched the actual serial killer.
I knew I was safe for tonight because I had claimed serial killer.
I'll make a lynch vote later, plenty of time to decide.
Earthling
09-22-2011, 23:56
And you're claiming you are what now...? :book:
When did I say I was claiming anything? (Now :tongue:)
@ Zack
(Had to quote this, due to the importance.)
PIS! PIS! PIS!
Visor knew that Winston wasn't mafia, and that he was a serial killer!
Oh, and Visor used the rolleyes smiley at one point. Rolleyes = scum.
How would I know that? You've made a leap, I don't understand how you did it.
Earthling
09-23-2011, 00:08
Well, you are just a mafia, but Zack is right about all the remaining roles, the game setup has to be like that at this point, and with him as backup doctor, me vanilla townie but nothing really prove-able there, and the one town vig left, nothing for you to really claim. And you can't really expect anyone to believe it was a townie move you claimed SK yesterday.
I would put Diamondeye down as the town vig over B_Ray, not just for Diamondeye trying to figure stuff out as a townie and his voting pattern clearly lacking mafia coordination (if, say, he and TLD and B_Ray were the scum why didn't they coordinate better and outright get someone like Zack lynched earlier).
What really has me convinced on Diamondeye, is that it would totally be his style to just kill someone N1 as a town vig, with no knowledge of the game setup yet or waiting to see anything play out. He's down it before and would do it again, and probably did kill either the doctor or roleblocker that first night, but that's what's great about him on the rare occasions he is actually town. :thinking:
And you can't really expect anyone to believe it was a townie move you claimed SK yesterday.
Why not? It would stop the lynch on me, a townie, and I'd be obvious lynchbait to leave alive.
Earthling
09-23-2011, 00:16
Because you're not just a townie, due to the game setup where we know what roles are left and knew that really yesterday too. If you were the town vig you would have simply claimed that, obviously a much better way to get out of the town lynching you than claiming serial killer, but you're not.
Plus if you're not mafia, it's the same issue where we wonder why the mafia didn't just bandwagon on you to get the 5/8 lynch majority, and have someone lynched right away. They did get dangerously close with Zack and I'll admit it was risky play by me/anyone else who was town (Winston was SK so he just wanted someone to go, I get that). But I'd put that one down to poor coordination among the mafia dn probably B_Ray failing to get on the Zack bandwagon.
If you were the town vig you would have simply claimed that, obviously a much better way to get out of the town lynching you than claiming serial killer, but you're not.
Don't ply this crap. If I had claimed town vig, you would've said I was lying/panicing scum, etc.
Vote: Visorslash
Visor -- Mafia
B_Ray -- Mafia
Zack -- Backup Doctor
Diamondeye -- Vigilante
Earthling -- Vanilla Townie
And that's a wrap.
See, you're not even the least bit concerned with catching scum, only with saving your own skin.
Don't give me reasoning, I'm not giving you reasoning. :tongue:
Case to be posted soon. We have two days remember.
Don't give me reasoning, I'm not giving you reasoning. :tongue:
Wait... are you seriously suggesting I haven't given any reasoning? Have you read any of my posts?
I'm saying your reasoning is crap, and requires leaps of logic that no mortal man can make without splitting their brain in half with a bandsaw.
Post Analysis of Earthling (To be Edited in):
I think it has to be Vote: Zack. There are reasons to that, but let's see how the wagon rolls.
Starts a vote on Zack, who was up high on the vote tally on the first day.
He's dead.
Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.
Diamondeye posted this:
Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup, and it looks like there might be at least one Vigilante, too. The setup allows for only one mafia kill and one SK, as far as I understand.
For now, I am going to Vote:Zack.
I can't for the life of me figure out what was wrong with this. He's completely right. But he follows Earthlings vote.
This also goes for anyone asking what they're missing on figuring out the game setup.
Before I go on, Diamondeye still doesn't make sense to me but he did remind me of one thing I'd missed, a serial killer would be kill immune as in the setup and doesn't fear death at night by mafia/vig, only the lynch, so anyone could be a serial killer and be more aggressive in thread, particularly if they felt the town needed to be rallied to beat the mafia. I don't get his votes but recognize I was withholding points earlier until more people showed up so his response to me is ok, so long as we lynch a mafia today.
On the setup/strategy, here's simply what we know:
With the number of town roles already, the setup would have three mafia.
Three kills last night as far as I can also tell means either mafia, town vig, and SK, or mafia and two vigs. I think two vigs (or vig +1-shot vig) is much less likely, if it's true that means we're just better off and can get lucky even though they failed last night.
There's always the very small chance there are still more town roles, than the Doctor, Blocker, Mason/Child, and Vig we already have, in which case we move further down the setup possibilities, but still 3 mafia and probably still an SK, and too remote a chance to think about.
So 3 Mafia + 1 SK is worst case for the town but also most likely, I think we have to work with that.
Then Cahoma is confirmed Innocent. Any townie knows what they are obviously. That just leaves 6 people so very, very good odds that anybody you could lynch just turns up as a scum. That alone is all that's needed for a wagon on Zack, or you TLD, really, but Zack is the default to me because he got saved from the lynch yesterday and a townie was lynched, so why not guess some of those voters were mafia.
The real question is what happens tonight. Could be 2 or 3 kills, if people target the same victims then fewer, or if someone targets the SK he doesn't die. But what we want for the town is 2 mafia dead before the next day or they're too close to controlling the lynch. 1 mafia, the SK, 3 townies for 5 remaining is still a chance (for everyone, really, but at least town is still in it). That's what we want, hopefully the SK sees the need for at least one mafia to die too because they could straight outvote him too.
Posts some decent logic. No problems yet.
Diamondeye why did you say there's a cop?
If it's DDMVB then that matches the two T setup - with 3 mafia and an SK.
If you know for sure there's a cop role, then there are yet more roles out there, or it just means Zack is lying about being backup doctor.
For all we know he could be. He could be lying about being roleblocked so that Cahoma, Mr Innocent, died. Oh well, it could happen to anyone, right?
Right, so to reiterate my position is that really needs answering from Diamondeye. If we can be sure there are no other town roles (well, still the vig and Cahoma is Mason-Child) then Zack's claim makes sense. If people are sure there is a cop, then I would guess Zack has a false claim. Just about anybody else could still be scum by the numbers again so I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.
Now he stops going after Zack, and onto me. Because of two reasons, quietness and bandwagoning. Not only is the quietness reason hypocritical, as there are people quieter (B_Ray for example), it is not a reason at all. Bandwagoning which again, others did and I only did once.
No, he listed a cop in the post above but as you and Winston pointed out it didn't really make sense, what he was saying with too many T's in the setup. He could just be trying to confuse us, like how he didn't vote for Zack yesterday but started off on Zack today of his own accord. But if he's mafia I doubt that both the wagons on Zack and Visorslash are safe for him so I don't get that either.
Of course I would be trigger-happy to mark Diamondeye down as the serial killer after all but that's a bit biased. :clown:
In and of itself Zack's claim makes sense - backup doctor makes DDMVB and matches the scum that seem to be out there. Still have 3 mafia and an SK though.
I probably should unvote: Zack for now.
And of course, being the "doctor" Zack won't be targeted tonight by the vig.
Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
Zack claiming backup doctor is very bold and clever as scum but it works by the setup if he is town, and then we just have our 3 mafia and SK so pretty much any lynch works.
vote: Visorslash
Some lies here. I never said anything about not getting that almost everyone left is something. I said it was possible that he fake claimed doctor. That's it. Dunno how you got confusion about the setup from that. :inquisitive:
Says I'm probably not the town vig. Gives zero reasoning towards it and everyone swallows it. Gives Zack a get out of lynch free card, and continues to defend him.
Oh dear Winston. Is Visorslash your mafia roleblocker? That would definitely be the best we could get for the town, as it prevents them from blocking the vig or SK at night.
SK can't be blocked m'dear. So certain that Winston is mafia and I'm part of the team with him. Winston ends up being the Serial Killer. How did you come to the conclusion that I am a mafia roleblocker? :laugh4: Because you know that you are?
If we lynch you and you are the SK the town probably does lose, I'll give you that. It would be entirely on the mafia to make a mistake because they could block or kill the vig, and we can't count on them to fail.
unvote: Visorslash; vote: Winston Hughes
That takes care of the problem if you really are just mafia partners and you're bluffing - he might be saving you when you're a more important mafia role but we'd still get one.
As an aside, Zack should protect Cahoma regardless of what happens here or what anyone else claims - no guarantee we can protect the town vig. Know he'd be in the doctor-WIFOM situation but still the call that has to be made, Cahoma surviving for the lynch tomorrow or at the end would greatly increase our chances of victory.
I was bluffing alright. If you were so sure that Winston was mafia over me, why didn't you go for him first? Or was the bandwagon on me too easy to ignore? I like how you attacked my "bandwagoning", but then you did it yourself. Brilliant. Of course Zack must protect Cahoma. That's so likely to happen. What a coincidence that Zack failed to protect Cahoma, and was roleblocked.
Visorslash, if you're really an SK, what do you think about Diamondeye's "lynch-anyone-but-me" phenotype? Is he your call for the town vig, or otherwise you must think he's one of the scum right?
I actually like that tally for information purposes. However:
People (town, really) need to be extremely careful about moving their votes to where someone could be lynched with a 5/8 majority. The three mafia could still coordinate their votes and just switch and get that, especially to get someone like Visorslash if he really is the SK, and taking him down just lets the mafia beat the town. If you're sure it's the right lynch, of course we need to do that before deadline, but just for the sake of temporary pressure that's a no. I hadn't quite realized how risky we were before, earlier in the day, it's possible only lack of mafia attention/coordination saved us.
It is really interesting that we had 4 votes on Zack at one point yet no one jumped to the majority for an auto-lynch - some mafia might have already been on that wagon and couldn't rally though. Diamondeye jumping off there really surprises me, you did too Visor, and I get why the SK would do it but you can't both be the SK.
Of course acting as a serial killer, I can't care about the situation. I just post neutral responses. He could always be a basic townie. Maybe you didn't want to go for the 5/8 majority as you thought it'd look too scummy? I don't think it's a lack of coordination, I think you're screwing us over.
I can't believe Winston is the town vig. I still kinda think you are just mafia partners and claimed SK, but if that's true the town gets a mafia anyway, and if you are the SK Winston could still be mafia.
Zack is looking more like a townie and between TLD and Diamondeye I'd be willing to believe one is town. I gotta say I am baffled by who is working together, because the three scum should be working together, but they didn't manage anything like voting in quick succession to just get the majoriy lynch. Then B_Ray could easily be the third scum to any combination of people but that's a hard lynch to get people going for now plus all he did was that one silly vote on Cahoma and I'd rather go on a better hypothesis.
So I'd say Winston, and again, it's insurance against the chance that you are scum together so you can't bluff your way out (but if you are an SK, you lose nothing by just lynching someone else)
Maybe because you're the scumbag. Set up a trap on Zack for the next person to follow. I.E. me.
I'm here, and I'll vote: Visorslash. Visorslash is clearly mafia, and that gives us three townies to the one mafia left so we should get it anyway. I think it's him and B_Ray, rather than Diamondeye who I'll give benefit of the doubt, can't be entirely sure but that's what I'd go with.
This is kinda hilarious though, that Cahoma was actually killed. Mafia, y u so bad?
They could have roleblocked or killed the town vig, as they had only like, two people to choose from, but they must have blocked Zack to be able to kill Cahoma.
Pretty much everything you said does seem right to me Zack, including the DDMVB which is pretty certain now, this was a fun if bloody setup with so many killers.
I'm sure they did.
And you're claiming you are what now...? :book:
Didn't claim a thing.
Well, you are just a mafia, but Zack is right about all the remaining roles, the game setup has to be like that at this point, and with him as backup doctor, me vanilla townie but nothing really prove-able there, and the one town vig left, nothing for you to really claim. And you can't really expect anyone to believe it was a townie move you claimed SK yesterday.
I would put Diamondeye down as the town vig over B_Ray, not just for Diamondeye trying to figure stuff out as a townie and his voting pattern clearly lacking mafia coordination (if, say, he and TLD and B_Ray were the scum why didn't they coordinate better and outright get someone like Zack lynched earlier).
What really has me convinced on Diamondeye, is that it would totally be his style to just kill someone N1 as a town vig, with no knowledge of the game setup yet or waiting to see anything play out. He's down it before and would do it again, and probably did kill either the doctor or roleblocker that first night, but that's what's great about him on the rare occasions he is actually town. :thinking:
Because you're not just a townie, due to the game setup where we know what roles are left and knew that really yesterday too. If you were the town vig you would have simply claimed that, obviously a much better way to get out of the town lynching you than claiming serial killer, but you're not.
Plus if you're not mafia, it's the same issue where we wonder why the mafia didn't just bandwagon on you to get the 5/8 lynch majority, and have someone lynched right away. They did get dangerously close with Zack and I'll admit it was risky play by me/anyone else who was town (Winston was SK so he just wanted someone to go, I get that). But I'd put that one down to poor coordination among the mafia dn probably B_Ray failing to get on the Zack bandwagon.
I can't be bothered to do the rest, I'm never going to be able to convince the town players.
I'm saying your reasoning is crap, and requires leaps of logic that no mortal man can make without splitting their brain in half with a bandsaw.
Why do you think it's bad? Explain why, or else I'm going to assume it's only "crap" because it's against you.
Oh, and edits are against the rules.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137952-C9-The-Revenge-of-the-Russo-In-Play&p=2053377874&viewfull=1#post2053377874
The other stuff is conjecture on your part as well, but this is plain weird.
Okay will post in a new post then.
You said Winston isn't mafia, he's a serial killer -- BEFORE he was lynched. What is weird about pointing that out?
Your analysis and cases would be easier to swallow if they weren't OMGUS in nature.
Post Analysis of Earthling:
I think it has to be Vote: Zack. There are reasons to that, but let's see how the wagon rolls.
Starts a vote on Zack, who was up high on the vote tally on the first day.
He's dead.
Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.
Diamondeye posted this:
Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup, and it looks like there might be at least one Vigilante, too. The setup allows for only one mafia kill and one SK, as far as I understand.
For now, I am going to Vote:Zack.
I can't for the life of me figure out what was wrong with this. He's completely right. But he follows Earthlings vote.
This also goes for anyone asking what they're missing on figuring out the game setup.
Before I go on, Diamondeye still doesn't make sense to me but he did remind me of one thing I'd missed, a serial killer would be kill immune as in the setup and doesn't fear death at night by mafia/vig, only the lynch, so anyone could be a serial killer and be more aggressive in thread, particularly if they felt the town needed to be rallied to beat the mafia. I don't get his votes but recognize I was withholding points earlier until more people showed up so his response to me is ok, so long as we lynch a mafia today.
On the setup/strategy, here's simply what we know:
With the number of town roles already, the setup would have three mafia.
Three kills last night as far as I can also tell means either mafia, town vig, and SK, or mafia and two vigs. I think two vigs (or vig +1-shot vig) is much less likely, if it's true that means we're just better off and can get lucky even though they failed last night.
There's always the very small chance there are still more town roles, than the Doctor, Blocker, Mason/Child, and Vig we already have, in which case we move further down the setup possibilities, but still 3 mafia and probably still an SK, and too remote a chance to think about.
So 3 Mafia + 1 SK is worst case for the town but also most likely, I think we have to work with that.
Then Cahoma is confirmed Innocent. Any townie knows what they are obviously. That just leaves 6 people so very, very good odds that anybody you could lynch just turns up as a scum. That alone is all that's needed for a wagon on Zack, or you TLD, really, but Zack is the default to me because he got saved from the lynch yesterday and a townie was lynched, so why not guess some of those voters were mafia.
The real question is what happens tonight. Could be 2 or 3 kills, if people target the same victims then fewer, or if someone targets the SK he doesn't die. But what we want for the town is 2 mafia dead before the next day or they're too close to controlling the lynch. 1 mafia, the SK, 3 townies for 5 remaining is still a chance (for everyone, really, but at least town is still in it). That's what we want, hopefully the SK sees the need for at least one mafia to die too because they could straight outvote him too.
Posts some decent logic. No problems yet.
Diamondeye why did you say there's a cop?
If it's DDMVB then that matches the two T setup - with 3 mafia and an SK.
If you know for sure there's a cop role, then there are yet more roles out there, or it just means Zack is lying about being backup doctor.
For all we know he could be. He could be lying about being roleblocked so that Cahoma, Mr Innocent, died. Oh well, it could happen to anyone, right?
Right, so to reiterate my position is that really needs answering from Diamondeye. If we can be sure there are no other town roles (well, still the vig and Cahoma is Mason-Child) then Zack's claim makes sense. If people are sure there is a cop, then I would guess Zack has a false claim. Just about anybody else could still be scum by the numbers again so I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.
Now he stops going after Zack, and onto me. Because of two reasons, quietness and bandwagoning. Not only is the quietness reason hypocritical, as there are people quieter (B_Ray for example), it is not a reason at all. Bandwagoning which again, others did and I only did once.
No, he listed a cop in the post above but as you and Winston pointed out it didn't really make sense, what he was saying with too many T's in the setup. He could just be trying to confuse us, like how he didn't vote for Zack yesterday but started off on Zack today of his own accord. But if he's mafia I doubt that both the wagons on Zack and Visorslash are safe for him so I don't get that either.
Of course I would be trigger-happy to mark Diamondeye down as the serial killer after all but that's a bit biased. :clown:
In and of itself Zack's claim makes sense - backup doctor makes DDMVB and matches the scum that seem to be out there. Still have 3 mafia and an SK though.
I probably should unvote: Zack for now.
And of course, being the "doctor" Zack won't be targeted tonight by the vig.
Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.
Zack claiming backup doctor is very bold and clever as scum but it works by the setup if he is town, and then we just have our 3 mafia and SK so pretty much any lynch works.
vote: Visorslash
Some lies here. I never said anything about not getting that almost everyone left is something. I said it was possible that he fake claimed doctor. That's it. Dunno how you got confusion about the setup from that. :inquisitive:
Says I'm probably not the town vig. Gives zero reasoning towards it and everyone swallows it. Gives Zack a get out of lynch free card, and continues to defend him.
Oh dear Winston. Is Visorslash your mafia roleblocker? That would definitely be the best we could get for the town, as it prevents them from blocking the vig or SK at night.
SK can't be blocked m'dear. So certain that Winston is mafia and I'm part of the team with him. Winston ends up being the Serial Killer. How did you come to the conclusion that I am a mafia roleblocker? :laugh4: Because you know that you are?
If we lynch you and you are the SK the town probably does lose, I'll give you that. It would be entirely on the mafia to make a mistake because they could block or kill the vig, and we can't count on them to fail.
unvote: Visorslash; vote: Winston Hughes
That takes care of the problem if you really are just mafia partners and you're bluffing - he might be saving you when you're a more important mafia role but we'd still get one.
As an aside, Zack should protect Cahoma regardless of what happens here or what anyone else claims - no guarantee we can protect the town vig. Know he'd be in the doctor-WIFOM situation but still the call that has to be made, Cahoma surviving for the lynch tomorrow or at the end would greatly increase our chances of victory.
I was bluffing alright. If you were so sure that Winston was mafia over me, why didn't you go for him first? Or was the bandwagon on me too easy to ignore? I like how you attacked my "bandwagoning", but then you did it yourself. Brilliant. Of course Zack must protect Cahoma. That's so likely to happen. What a coincidence that Zack failed to protect Cahoma, and was roleblocked.
Visorslash, if you're really an SK, what do you think about Diamondeye's "lynch-anyone-but-me" phenotype? Is he your call for the town vig, or otherwise you must think he's one of the scum right?
I actually like that tally for information purposes. However:
People (town, really) need to be extremely careful about moving their votes to where someone could be lynched with a 5/8 majority. The three mafia could still coordinate their votes and just switch and get that, especially to get someone like Visorslash if he really is the SK, and taking him down just lets the mafia beat the town. If you're sure it's the right lynch, of course we need to do that before deadline, but just for the sake of temporary pressure that's a no. I hadn't quite realized how risky we were before, earlier in the day, it's possible only lack of mafia attention/coordination saved us.
It is really interesting that we had 4 votes on Zack at one point yet no one jumped to the majority for an auto-lynch - some mafia might have already been on that wagon and couldn't rally though. Diamondeye jumping off there really surprises me, you did too Visor, and I get why the SK would do it but you can't both be the SK.
Of course acting as a serial killer, I can't care about the situation. I just post neutral responses. He could always be a basic townie. Maybe you didn't want to go for the 5/8 majority as you thought it'd look too scummy? I don't think it's a lack of coordination, I think you're screwing us over.
I can't believe Winston is the town vig. I still kinda think you are just mafia partners and claimed SK, but if that's true the town gets a mafia anyway, and if you are the SK Winston could still be mafia.
Zack is looking more like a townie and between TLD and Diamondeye I'd be willing to believe one is town. I gotta say I am baffled by who is working together, because the three scum should be working together, but they didn't manage anything like voting in quick succession to just get the majoriy lynch. Then B_Ray could easily be the third scum to any combination of people but that's a hard lynch to get people going for now plus all he did was that one silly vote on Cahoma and I'd rather go on a better hypothesis.
So I'd say Winston, and again, it's insurance against the chance that you are scum together so you can't bluff your way out (but if you are an SK, you lose nothing by just lynching someone else)
Maybe because you're the scumbag. Set up a trap on Zack for the next person to follow. I.E. me.
I'm here, and I'll vote: Visorslash. Visorslash is clearly mafia, and that gives us three townies to the one mafia left so we should get it anyway. I think it's him and B_Ray, rather than Diamondeye who I'll give benefit of the doubt, can't be entirely sure but that's what I'd go with.
This is kinda hilarious though, that Cahoma was actually killed. Mafia, y u so bad?
They could have roleblocked or killed the town vig, as they had only like, two people to choose from, but they must have blocked Zack to be able to kill Cahoma.
Pretty much everything you said does seem right to me Zack, including the DDMVB which is pretty certain now, this was a fun if bloody setup with so many killers.
I'm sure they did.
And you're claiming you are what now...? :book:
Didn't claim a thing.
Well, you are just a mafia, but Zack is right about all the remaining roles, the game setup has to be like that at this point, and with him as backup doctor, me vanilla townie but nothing really prove-able there, and the one town vig left, nothing for you to really claim. And you can't really expect anyone to believe it was a townie move you claimed SK yesterday.
I would put Diamondeye down as the town vig over B_Ray, not just for Diamondeye trying to figure stuff out as a townie and his voting pattern clearly lacking mafia coordination (if, say, he and TLD and B_Ray were the scum why didn't they coordinate better and outright get someone like Zack lynched earlier).
What really has me convinced on Diamondeye, is that it would totally be his style to just kill someone N1 as a town vig, with no knowledge of the game setup yet or waiting to see anything play out. He's down it before and would do it again, and probably did kill either the doctor or roleblocker that first night, but that's what's great about him on the rare occasions he is actually town. :thinking:
Because you're not just a townie, due to the game setup where we know what roles are left and knew that really yesterday too. If you were the town vig you would have simply claimed that, obviously a much better way to get out of the town lynching you than claiming serial killer, but you're not.
Plus if you're not mafia, it's the same issue where we wonder why the mafia didn't just bandwagon on you to get the 5/8 lynch majority, and have someone lynched right away. They did get dangerously close with Zack and I'll admit it was risky play by me/anyone else who was town (Winston was SK so he just wanted someone to go, I get that). But I'd put that one down to poor coordination among the mafia dn probably B_Ray failing to get on the Zack bandwagon.
I can't be bothered to do the rest, I'm never going to be able to convince the town players.
You said Winston isn't mafia, he's a serial killer -- BEFORE he was lynched. What is weird about pointing that out?
When did I say that?
And I'm sorry my case is OMGUS. I can't do much, I'm not very good at putting cases together. I just play to my gut. :shrug:
When did I say that?
Go back and read the post. :wink:
I can't be bothered to do the rest, I'm never going to be able to convince the town players.
Why do you keep referring to the town or "town players" as separate entities from yourself?
Oh wait, I know why.
Why do you keep referring to the town or "town players" as separate entities from yourself?
Oh wait, I know why.
Ha ha. Very funny. I meant the other people, who are playing for the town.
*facepalms*
That post of mine was about me.
I said I wasn't a mafia roleblocker, I was the serial killer.
:book:
I finally understand the mechanics behind this now!
Sorry if I'm the last person to get this, but I'm going to spell it out to make sure I've actually got it straight.
OK, so as I understand it, there can be absolutely no doubt that we are either a TT or 0T set-up for scum roles. We know this because four town roles have been confirmed (Mason, Doctor, Roleblocker, and Vigilante). And we also had a Serial Killer, so that eliminates the TTT and T set-ups. That means three mafia to start, and we killed one, so two mafia definitely remain.
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Two things concern me.
One: Zack claimed back-up doctor and didn't get killed last night. Instead the mafia go for the innocent child? That makes no sense.
Two: At the very end of Day 2, Visorlash had a chance to put TLD in the lead, but instead switched to WH to continue the tie. He and TLD had been going back and forth all day, so this seems bizarre to me.
Concern One can be explained by the mafia choosing to leave a publicly-claimed doctor alive in order to make the town question the very fact that he did't die. Which is what I'm doing now. Concern Two can be explained without too much trouble, but I'd still like to hear Visor's comments on it.
The only thing that gives me some faith in Zack is the fact that he had a vote on TLD yeterday when he was tied for the lead (at 2 votes, the most anyone had before the extension). I don't think he'd do that if TLD were his scum partner. I think Diamondeye switched his vote (which was on Visorslash originally) to Winston Hughes in order to prevent the possibility of TLD getting the tie-breaker vote.
vote: Diamondeye
All he has to do now is show up and place a vote on Visorslash to put him at the majority and end the Day phase, so if anyone else agrees with me or has any doubt, change your vote now!
If Visor turns out to be mafia, then please assist me in putting my foot in my mouth.
As I see it, we HAVE to lynch a mafia tonight. If we lynch a townie, then even a successful vig kill won't save the town.
Could you elaborate a bit more on what you want me to answer?
I don't think Zack thought TLD would be lynched.
I still think it's Earthling. :shrug:
I guess I'm asking why you flip-flopped your votes so much and ended up choosing WH over TLD. Obviously, we now know that either player were excellent choices.
I have no idea why you wouldn't change your vote to Diamondeye right now, Visor. Unless I missed something, he's the only living player who hasn't voted yet. And there are already two votes on you. Three votes out of five means majority, which means you're instantly lynched.
...:inquisitive:...
You must be pretty confident that he's not going to vote for you. Maybe I've misplaced my own vote... I'll wait and see what happens.
I guess I'm asking why you flip-flopped your votes so much and ended up choosing WH over TLD. Obviously, we now know that either player were excellent choices.
I voted Zack initially because it seemed like Earthling knew what he was talking about. Then it turned to me, and I chose TLD. I ended up claiming serial killer to evade the lynch, as you know.
If I change my vote to Diamondeye, who is he going to vote for, him or me? Hmm?
Fair enough. But if DE shows up and votes for Earthling, I'm going to assume you two are partners.
At this point in time, there are only three options. Lynch Earthling or lynch Diamondeye or lynch me.
I think Earthling is scum. You vote what you think is right. :shrug:
Diamondeye
09-23-2011, 07:07
Vote: Visorslash.
Earthling is spewing out sound logic. Unfortunately, I am not the Vigilante, just an ordinary townsperson. I'm not sure where that leaves us in terms of tonight, but for reasons already stated, I don't think there really is an alternative to voting Visorslash.
FINAL VOTECOUNT DAY 3:
Not voting:
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 3 without voting):
No Lynch:
Visorslash (3): Earthling, Zack, Diamondeye
Earthling: Visorslash
Diamondeye: B_Ray
Deadline will hit in .
3 for lynch by majority.
Visorslash got lynched Day 3.
The town was confounded. "Visorslash said he was the killer, but Winston was the killer. What is Visorslash then? And isn't killers evil?" They lynched him faster than the speed of light.
Visorslash, Mafia, was lynched Day 3.
Night 3 begins now. I want to have all Night actions by
*facepalm*
Extremely sorry guys, I forgot it was Night. Write-ups will be up in a couple of hours.
It was a cold Night. Zack was out to protect a certain person. Unfortunately he got stabbed on his way to him.
Zack, Doctor, was killed Night 3.
Day 4 starts now. Deadline hits in
...or so they thought. When they started accusing each other in the morning B_Ray stepped forward. He took out a gun - and shot Diamondeye twelve times in the head! Now there was only B_Ray and Earthling.
"It's cool, I'm just a vig, not Mafia" said B_Ray.
"BWAHAHAHAHA" said Earthling.
"What's so funny?"
"This."
Earthling pointed a gun at B_Ray.
"But... but... Diamondeye, he..."
B_Ray started to cry.
"Don't kill me" he said.
"Why would I kill you?" Earthling sounded surprised.
"But you're pointing a gun at me!" B_Ray cried.
"Oh, I was just laughing at the funny writing on this gun that Diamondeye dropped."
"Spaghetti Macaroni Tagliatelle Penne Corleone THE RUSSO WILL SUCCEED" Earthling read out loud.
"Earthling, don't you understand what this means?"
"That Diamondeye was secretly Italian?"
"No, he was Don Russo!"
They searched Diamondeye's pockets and B_Ray found a piece of paper.
"Don Carlo 'Diamondeye' Russo
Mafia Boss
Dial 666-666-6666 to talk with me.
Regards,
The Evil Don Russo"
Diamondeye, Mafia, was killed Night 3.
B_Ray and Earthling then lived happily together forever, and they walked together towards the sunset.
IT'S A TOWN WIN.
B_Ray, Cahoma, Montmorency, Zack, hero di classico, Earthling and robbiecon, the Town, wins.
The roles:
B_Ray: Vigilante
Cahoma: Innocent Child
Diamondeye: Mafia Godfather
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK: Vanilla Townie
Montmorency: Vanilla Townie
Oh! TheLastDays!: Mafia Goon
Visorslash: Mafia Roleblocker
Winston Hughes: Serial Killer
Zack: Backup Doctor
hero di classico: Doctor
johnhughthom: Vanilla Townie
robbiecon: Roleblocker
Night 1:
B_Ray kills hero di classico
Oh! TheLastDays! kills robbiecon
Visorslash blocks hero di classico
Winston Hughes kills ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
hero di classico protects Cahoma
robbiecon blocks Zack
Night 2:
Zack protects Cahoma
B_Ray kills Oh! TheLastDays!
Visorslash roleblocks Zack
Oh! TheLastDays! kills Cahoma
Night 3:
Diamondeye kills Zack
B_Ray kills Diamondeye
Zack protects Earthling
Scum QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/4c5QuDq3v3e)
Montmorency
09-24-2011, 21:25
Oh yeah, I was in this game, lol.
I would have posted some thoughts before, but didn't want to interfere in a game I wasn't part of. :P
Diamondeye
09-24-2011, 21:50
I called that before the night even started, B_Ray, when you voted for me. Well played, town - and Winston, the Serial Killer, too! I knew things were dire when we had to lynch Visor, since if I was right about you, B_Ray, then I knew you'd kill me. If I was wrong, the Vigilante might still kill me, or he would probably kill you (for not voting Visor) which would leave me with a really hard last day to struggle through.
Thanks for hosting, Johhoq, it was a great game :bow:
Winston Hughes
09-24-2011, 22:13
Well done town, especially B-Ray for the expert vigging, and Earthling for the solid analysis. :bow:
For my part, I just can't seem to pick out a villain at the moment, and that was my undoing here, as I choose to accuse the wrong one out of both Zack/TLD and Earthling/DE.
Diamondeye
09-24-2011, 22:56
For my part, I just can't seem to pick out a villain at the moment
This is doubly emberassing when it's me we're talking about :wink:
classical_hero
09-25-2011, 01:43
I want to know why B_Ray vigged me on the first night.
TheLastDays
09-25-2011, 16:40
I want to know why he vigged me the second night :tongue:
Well played, esp. B_Ray, in this case the vig really won the game for the town.
And my streak continues...
Great game, everyone! I'm sorry for not being more active. I don't generally post a whole lot anyway, but I've been straight lurking a lot lately.
Classical Hero, I promise your death was completely random. :tongue2: I actually thought about not killing anyone on Night 1, but decided that would be boring.
TLD, I killed you for two reasons: (1) At that point in time, I had decided that either you or Visorslash were definitely scum, but I couldn't decide which. Visorslash's willingness to change his vote off Earthling just before the night ended made me less suspicious of him. (2) I thought it might be beneficial to go ahead and eliminate a player who was likely to be "competing" for lynch victim on the following day.
My choice of Diamondeye at the end is pretty obvious. But it's pretty funny that, in the middle of Day 3, I sincerely suspected Zack more than Visorslash. :wacky: That was largely because Zack had his FoS pointed at me. But I can't blame him.
Thank you for hosting, Johhog! This has been a pretty unique experience for The .Org. For future games you host, I would suggest not having a strict ban on night phase communication. It is extremely easy to forget about, and I'm not sure what it actually accomplishes for the game experience. It was fun to watch Warman being so oblivious about his death, though! :laugh4:
A few things:
1. Why did you both try to bus me Day 2? :/ I mean, my vote wasn't well placed, but you both tried to kill me. :P
2. Best role claim ever. :tongue:
3. SHould've listened to me in the QT. :P
@ Johhog
I must admit, I disliked the no communication outside the thread in daytime, and the no editing, and no night posting.
I also must admit that this kind of game isn't something I prefer, having now gone through it. Too many power roles for too little people. (Well, there can be.)
But, I still enjoyed it, thanks for hosting.
classical_hero
09-27-2011, 07:36
Considering the nature of the setup, we could easily have another game and it will be totally different from this one.
TheLastDays
09-27-2011, 08:53
Someone asked why the votes among the Mafia weren't more coordinated. It was a combination of timezones and no communication. We weren't allowed to communicate with each other during the day phase.
Considering the nature of the setup, we could easily have another game and it will be totally different from this one.
True, I just don't like tons of power roles in a small game.
For example, you could have 3 vigs in the game, and wipe out the scum team night one.
Yeah, I thought 3 mafia and a serial killer was a bit much for a 12-player game.
True, I just don't like tons of power roles in a small game.
For example, you could have 3 vigs in the game, and wipe out the scum team night one.
That's just in theory, that would never happen in a game as the chance (risk?) for that is .02%
I have to apologise for the role randomisation in this game, but I couldn't do much as I randomised it. You guys got unlucky, most games with this setup have far fewer PRs.
Still, you could get a vig, one shot vig and a SK wipe out the mafia team. :P
But the chance is small yeah. Just my aversion to a lot of power roles coming through.
I have to apologise for the role randomisation in this game, but I couldn't do much as I randomised it. You guys got unlucky, most games with this setup have far fewer PRs.
Don't apologise, it was a fun game. I especially enjoyed claiming SK to get the SK lynched. :laugh4:
We came close, but eh. :P
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