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Samurai Waki
09-30-2011, 21:20
Some of the top scientists, engineers, and pyro-experts in the world discuss 9/11. Very troubling video. But it is pretty long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4
PanzerJaeger
10-01-2011, 00:58
They are not some of the top scientists, engineers, and pyro-experts in the world. This is propaganda.
Crazed Rabbit
10-01-2011, 01:13
PJ is correct.
All these conspiracy theories have been debunked before, and compiled by Popular Mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
CR
But popularmechanics is owned by proxy to the Bush family (Jed Bush) and they are mainstream fascist corrupt government propaganda! Even my jenga set disagrees with it! We all know if you take a piece, it topples sideways!
Warning, Video contains naughty words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9My8sbckwAc&NR=1
*These are the serious arguments and opinions of truthers in regards to popular mechanics, not Beskar's personal opinion.
Montmorency
10-01-2011, 01:29
Seems like a pretty big secret to hide, no? Then again, the government did get away with fakng the moon landings.
Don't forget to keep linking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods everywhere to make your argument sound super serious, it is even on wikipedia, so it must be true!
Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[2] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
*Note: I am not saying it is not true, but it doesn't mean A+B=2
Samurai Waki
10-01-2011, 08:05
They are not some of the top scientists, engineers, and pyro-experts in the world. This is propaganda. Didja even watch it?, or are you just saying that because you've watched the other crazy conspiracy theory stuff? Not once does it mention they endorse any conspiracy theories, just that much of the evidence doesn't add up.
I know that the video and AE911 is backed by infowars, ie: Alex Jones.
It is the style they use on the videos, Alex Jones does lots of films and programmes, he is a professional presenter and this is how he makes his life living by preaching and whipping up the conspiracy crowd. Sort of like a megachurch you guys have in America, where people preach for a quick buck, in the style of those like Glenn Beck too, who does similar things. He also has a bunch of bogus actors posing as people and there was a case in one of his clips that he talked about a very important source in Britain and he goes to meet them, it was some one younger than me who lived his mothers basement going "Yeah, NWO is real!", "What makes you think that?", "Just 'cause". I think he was on the show for 10 seconds before Alex Jones just completely side-lined him.
There was another thread on this anyway, I believe Lemur posted an independent report and a report by the FBI on the incident. If he sees this thread, he may be able to repost the sources again for you as well.
So they'd be competent enough to fool their own population, but not competent enough to work out all the problems surrounding an investigation? Right.
Also, I heard something random, not sure if it is true, but apparently 24% of all Jenga games in the United States is played on 9/11 (11/9 for the rest of the World).
The problem with the conspiracy is it is much more complex than few fanatics indoctrinated by a man, having the surprise of the novelty, to succeed.
Imagine how many men and resources the CIA or whatever Agency should have deploy in term of manpower, money and secrecy. 2 Boeings, one missile (which one?), digging a big hole in the ground in the middle of nowhere, creation of families (for the messages), preparation of the 2 towers without nobody noticing that the destruction of the concrete, the list and cost is endless.
Whereas when terrorist attack is much more simple: Due to the fact that a Mitsubishi AM6 Zero (or a Kate) with around 500 kg explosive could destroy or badly cripple an aircraft carrier during WW2, why not to do it with a bigger plane (E=mv2). Need few volunteer, simple weapons to keep the passenger quite (and ignorant), a little bit of training in piloting, so few bucks, travel cost and per diem, job done… All material needed for the destruction is provided by the planes, simple and efficient.
The same thing for the Moon Landing: For this one, none of the guy with a spider in their mind was still able to tell me why the USSR would have shut-up if the US wouldn’t have landed…
Whereas when terrorist attack is much more simple: Due to the fact that a Mitsubishi AM6 Zero (or a Kate) with around 500 kg explosive could destroy or badly cripple an aircraft carrier during WW2, why not to do it with a bigger plane (E=mv2). Need few volunteer, simple weapons to keep the passenger quite (and ignorant), a little bit of training in piloting, so few bucks, travel cost and per diem, job done… All material needed for the destruction is provided by the planes, simple and efficient.
Exactly, it is far simpler just to pay a couple of "terrorists" than then all the other nonsense.
Whereas when terrorist attack is much more simple: Due to the fact that a Mitsubishi AM6 Zero (or a Kate) with around 500 kg explosive could destroy or badly cripple an aircraft carrier during WW2, why not to do it with a bigger plane (E=mv2).
Not that much energy, there's a factor of 1/2 missing (E_k = 1/2*mv^2). Probably mixing with Einstein's formula (for rest energy), which if applied would seem to annihilate all of New York and more. But I have seen a video on YouTube where it is proved that Einstein is incompatible with an absolute ideology such as that of Al-Qaeda.
PanzerJaeger
10-02-2011, 17:31
Didja even watch it?, or are you just saying that because you've watched the other crazy conspiracy theory stuff? Not once does it mention they endorse any conspiracy theories, just that much of the evidence doesn't add up.
I watched the first 10 minutes or so. I am not a structural engineer, so I wouldn't possibly know whether what they are claiming is accurate or not. What I am is skeptical. So, instead, I put that time into doing a bit of research on AE911Truth. I suggest you do the same before buying into their claims. They are not the foremost experts in anything, and the mainstream scientific community has rejected their positions.
Their modus operandi is actually pretty insidious in its simplicity. Instead of using false or misleading engineering techniques, they simply start with a false premise attributed to the government which never actually existed (WTC7 falling in 6.5 seconds) and then go on to show how such a claim is architecturally impossible.
By the way - I don't agree with the mocking tone taken by some in this thread. A long time member of your caliber is deserving of far more respect. The government lies all the time and there is nothing wrong with taking a critical view of the official story. I just don't think AE911Truth offers a more accurate account.
Adrian II
10-02-2011, 20:39
PJ is correct.
All these conspiracy theories have been debunked before, and compiled by Popular Mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
CR
Good link there, I have referred people to it several times.
I could have referred them to some Penn & Teller vids. But I reckoned those would be too much .. in their faces :laugh4:
AII
Oops, forget the 1/2 on Kinetic Energy. Still valid: Half of the mass by speed square is largely enough to destroy a tower (1/2 of a 747 is still impressive). No need for stupid theories…
“Exactly, it is far simpler just to pay a couple of "terrorists" than then all the other nonsense”.
I knew it!
Gavrilo Princip was paid by the Austrian Secret Services (in co-operation with the Russians) to kill the Archduke to start the WW1… And John of Arc was in fact a secret agent of the English to trap the Dauphin in a battle he couldn’t win and Hitler was paid by the (proto) Mossad to create a genocide that will make the creation of Israel possible, and there is a monk in a hidden place in the Himalaya who controls the world…
I don't quite understand your response, Benus. You are constructing a Strawman which cannot be applied in the thread, and if it was in association with my statement, then that statement is being out of context since it would supporting your argument that such a grand conspiracy fails on a fundamental level due to the sheer scale of it and that if there was to be any sort of conspiracy, it would have been far simplier to pay for a couple of 'terrorists' then have 20% of the American population on their payroll.
I don't agree with the mocking tone taken by some in this thread. A long time member of your caliber is deserving of far more respect. The government lies all the time and there is nothing wrong with taking a critical view of the official story. I just don't think AE911Truth offers a more accurate account.
I don't feel many have really mocked Samurai Waki, he comes here after watching something and he has some concerns, he isn't sure about them but would like some assistance. The slight problem of it, he has fallen into one of those baiting traps out there, which acts as a lure to bring you into a certain frame of mind about events in efforts to exploit you. Infowars is such a bait-trap-lure organisation which profits from this. Infowars backs the AE911 movement as a proxy with trying to advertise as "architects and engineers", they get people "doubting" such as our friend Samurai Waki.
What people have done is attack the very source of the information itself, they have used arguments in order to help our friend Samurai Waki from falling into the trap. They have attempted to explain why it is being presented as such, even yourself are explaining how they are using a false premise. I have added information about the "Next Steps" talking about what will begin to crop up in Samurai Waki's further reading as I know people who have gone down this route before and are very pro-conspiracy theory.
"I don't quite understand your response, Brenus". I was just pointing out that your simple solution could be applied whatever events you want.
If you want to convince some to die in an act of terrorism, you have to be pretty convincing. The other solution/alternative could have been to convince Bin Laden to send volunteer to do the job, however the fact that he was killed is against this interesting solution.
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