Battlefield 3

[edyzmedieval]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7GVSx7yMaA&feature=feedu

The launch is just around the corner, on the 25th of October. The game is definitely one to purchase, so who will be getting this seemingly amazing FPS? :yes:

[Graphic]

I'd have pre-purchased it by now if the alpha or the beta ran at a playable framerate.

4 years with this PC (with a 2009 graphics card from my 8800 taking a dump) and its the first game that's unplayable that wasn't just a wretched console port. It was a nice run *sniff*

[Monk]

The netcode was unplayable in beta*, an absolute glitchy mess that wouldn't register your shots half the time. The other half you'd see people getting killed before the person who killed them even stopped sprinting and decided to shoot. I heard they did some work post beta, but the launch of bad company 2 comes to mind. Its beta was largely the same as BF3's: unplayable, glitchy, and filled with oddities that only served to frustrate. At release it was hardly any better.

I'm staying far away from BF3 until DICE decides to get their act together. I don't doubt that in about a year BF3 will be worth a look.


*oddly, it was way better in alpha. What the hell did they do? :inquisitive:

[Kekvit Irae]

You have to be in a match to change options.
You have to have a supercomputer to play it.
No in-game server browser.

nope.jpg
I'll stick to BF2 and BF:BC2.

[easytarget]

pre-ordered and pre-loaded at this point :yes:

say what you want, but the simple fact is this, MP games have a shelf life, unlike SP, if you want to play them and enjoy them, you have to enter into the bargain at release, play and enjoy them with a large population cross section of talent and ramp your unlocks along with everyone else, it's more like a ride and you've got to get on early

if you don't, you'll most likely get to enjoy spending most of your time in the company of hardcore no lifer cretins

sad but true, MP has an enjoyment curve, i've seen it repeated countless times since the origins of MP w/ quake2

put my theory to the test, dust off an old copy of Q2, Q3 Arena, TFC or for that matter CS - log in and report back how often you find yourself re-spawning :dizzy2:

[Risasi]

I think it looks sweet, alas I don't have a small fortune to spend on it. I'm trying to budget for the Ivy Bridge Macbook Pro. Looks like I will have to stick to BF 2 and Project Reality.

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P.S. I see it's rated M now. I don't mind the blood so much, it's the strong language. That's too bad. I actually keep spare copies around to play with friends and their kids. I think I'll definitely stick to BF2...

[edyzmedieval]

CSS still has a very loyal fanbase so that game has almost no shelf life, it will always be played and in high numbers.

CS aside, I'm looking forward to both SP and MP in BF3. :yes:

[CountArach]

I'm looking forward to it, for sure. I really just want a new decent multiplayer FPS on PC.

[LeftEyeNine]

OK now that makes me special.

I'm the first human being not enjoying any multiplayer FPS other than CS series.

[easytarget]

Take heart, it's special in a good way.

Btw, ever check out RO or RO2? If you liked CS, you might like the realism of those two.

[LeftEyeNine]

RO as in Red Orchestra ?

[easytarget]

Oh, yeah, sorry, Red Orchestra.

[edyzmedieval]

Check the vids. :yes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzpISsS6bKg&feature=channel_video_title


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruN0VWGnb1E&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5GW4CCvW6M&feature=related

[easytarget]

launches at mid-night, probably run into lvl 50's when i finally get a chance to play this weekend :rolleyes2:

[edyzmedieval]

Any thoughts on the game post-release?

[Kekvit Irae]

So I finally caved and started playing it. The campaign is HORRIBLE. It's just one big quick time event after another. You get into a QTE battle with a rat. A RAT. I kid you not.
Battlefield [E] is one big insult to the franchise. I had much more fun playing Bad Company 2's campaign than this.

On the multiplayer side, it's Battlefield. What more can I say?
Unfortunately, your most important class abilities are locked until you can rank up, so no using the defib as a medic until you score some kills. The most insulting part is that you don't get flares or missiles in jets or helicopters until you get some rank ups. This means that unless you are extremely lucky and get a few kills with your crappy chaingun (which is virtually worthless against ground targets), you are WORTHLESS to your team if you jump in a jet. Considering that 99% of all engineers on the map will have Stinger missiles (your first class unlock for engies), you're a sitting duck without flares.


My thoughts: Unless you enjoy being blinded by the lighting effects, having class roles that play more like Call of Duty until you rank up, and playing REALLY horrible maps (Conquest Metro comes to mind), stick with BF:BC2 or BF2. At least they don't insult the Battlefield legacy the same way BF3 does.

[Risasi]

That really is too bad to hear this report...

[LeftEyeNine]

So I finally caved and started playing it. The campaign is HORRIBLE.

No BF3 for me then.

[CrossLOPER]

You get into a QTE battle with a rat. A RAT. I kid you not.
Hantavirus is no laughing matter.

[easytarget]

Any thoughts on the game post-release?

I've been playing it since it released (and in the alpha and beta) and find it to be pretty much what I expected. That's usually the key for me with games I know a lot about, to enjoy them I ignore the hype and focus on what I'm likely to actually get on release.

In this case, that was pretty easy, I knew what I was going to get was Bad Company 3 (and not Battlefield 3). I knew the SP portion would be a joke not worth ever firing up (I won't be), I knew the co-op would be worth running through (I haven't yet, but I will at some point), and I knew the only reason to buy the game was to play MP.

So, for the very few souls here who would ever bother contemplating an MP FPS, here's my short take on it:

It's class based modern warfare, there are a variety of weapons available (none of which are nearly as hard to obtain as previously mentioned above) for each class, for each vehicle, and for each plane/chopper. Whether this is a well thought out and balanced way to implement a team based MP game is a topic for another discussion, but suffice it to say its prevalence now is so overwhelming it has even infected what I personally consider one of the best team based MP games ever made, Team Fortress 2. Like achievements, which I also consider a gaming virus with little to no redeeming qualities, the unlock business appears to be here to stay. Honestly, with hundreds ultimately available, I find it really hard to believe they've been play balanced.

The teams that win usually do so because the players on their side focused on their classes strengths in pursuit of the objective (taking and holding control points). Which at least means that when you play, you are never really shocked by the arbitrary outcomes, the AI isn't cheating, it's just your team got beat by a better performing opposing team. And there can be quite a bit of fun to be had in the firefights that break out in a fluid front that's ever changing as the control points move back and forth between the two opposing forces. The game has issues with lag that need to be resolved (throwing around all that eye candy is not something DICE has completely figured out), the teammates you are paired with may or may not be effective or work together (just as in any MP game), the maps and weapons need tweaking, all the usual stuff that comes up at launch.

I've found it to be pretty entertaining so far, but as I said at the top, I came to it knowing what I was getting, and got what I expected.

[Vuk]

So I finally caved and started playing it. The campaign is HORRIBLE. It's just one big quick time event after another. You get into a QTE battle with a rat. A RAT. I kid you not.
Battlefield [E] is one big insult to the franchise. I had much more fun playing Bad Company 2's campaign than this.

On the multiplayer side, it's Battlefield. What more can I say?
Unfortunately, your most important class abilities are locked until you can rank up, so no using the defib as a medic until you score some kills. The most insulting part is that you don't get flares or missiles in jets or helicopters until you get some rank ups. This means that unless you are extremely lucky and get a few kills with your crappy chaingun (which is virtually worthless against ground targets), you are WORTHLESS to your team if you jump in a jet. Considering that 99% of all engineers on the map will have Stinger missiles (your first class unlock for engies), you're a sitting duck without flares.


My thoughts: Unless you enjoy being blinded by the lighting effects, having class roles that play more like Call of Duty until you rank up, and playing REALLY horrible maps (Conquest Metro comes to mind), stick with BF:BC2 or BF2. At least they don't insult the Battlefield legacy the same way BF3 does.
Thanks for the review Kekvit, it sounds like everything I feared it would be. Another brilliant computer gaming franchise hiked away by the console hype. I really hope that it fails, and that they learn their lesson. I mean, aren't there enough BS console titles out there without them having to ruin the computer games? BF was one of my favorite franchises, and ever since BC2 (I don't say BC 1 because it WAS both fun and funny, but it could have been much more so), it has been garbage.

[easytarget]

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, everything viewed backwards in time becomes a long lost gem. BF was ok, it certainly wasn't the team based magical place it's now made out to be (imho). I've seen better team based behavior in TF2 or RO. As for the current dire straights team based FPS find themselves in, well, you can lay that one squarely at the feet of the 800pd gorilla sucking all the air out of the room: COD.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!


So I went to go on BF3 the other day..... And It said something about I would need (error message you see) DirectX 10.0 or something or if I had such and such another thing I would need DirectX 10.1.


I mean, I got 6 gig of RAM and basically most if not all of the hardware requirements so I don't know what is going on......

HELP?? :dizzy2::dizzy2:

[easytarget]

Not sure I understand the problem, if you need DX to run the game, it should install it when you attempt to load it up the first time, just like every other game I've ever played.

Perhaps you're attempting to run the game on an older graphics card that won't run dx10 or dx11?

What vid card you got?

[Vuk]

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, everything viewed backwards in time becomes a long lost gem. BF was ok, it certainly wasn't the team based magical place it's now made out to be (imho). I've seen better team based behavior in TF2 or RO. As for the current dire straights team based FPS find themselves in, well, you can lay that one squarely at the feet of the 800pd gorilla sucking all the air out of the room: COD.

Not at all, I recognize BF 1942 and BF2's flaws and want an improved battlefield game that does not share those shortcomings. That said however, I also understand what made them excellent games, and what defines the Battlefield series. When you turn against those principals, you will not have a good Battlefield game.

[easytarget]

I don't disagree with you, but the tide at the moment is definitely running against true team based game design.

There's more team based behavior in 5 minutes worth of play in L4D or L4D2 than you'll likely see in 8 hours play time on a BF3 server, or 80 hours of play time in MW3. Funny how designing the game to reward team play works so well when done right, and yet how rare it is ultimately to find.

Trends are hard to fight, so I tend to just move from genre to genre based on where the best game design is taking place.

[Vuk]

I don't disagree with you, but the tide at the moment is definitely running against true team based game design.

There's more team based behavior in 5 minutes worth of play in L4D or L4D2 than you'll likely see in 8 hours play time on a BF3 server, or 80 hours of play time in MW3. Funny how designing the game to reward team play works so well when done right, and yet how rare it is ultimately to find.

Trends are hard to fight, so I tend to just move from genre to genre based on where the best game design is taking place.

If every series sells out, there will not be any good computer games left soon. There are plenty of cheap COD rip-offs out there. Battlefield had its own audience, and did not have to sell out to the COD crowd. I really hope the game flops and they learn their lesson.

[edyzmedieval]

Battlefield 3 lost the sales battle with MW3 for the moment, the copies sold for PC (hard copies) are only around 500.000. Digital distribution is excluded however.

[easytarget]

That wasn't ever in doubt, but honestly I don't know why gamers would care about unit sales, I know I don't. Any more than I care which movie made the most money at the box office. Which also reminds me of The Oscars, which I feel pretty much the same way about, why should I care what holiday wants to give itself awards for? I'm amused they televise it and assume I'd ever bother to watch them give themselves a pat on the back.

[easytarget]

If every series sells out, there will not be any good computer games left soon. There are plenty of cheap COD rip-offs out there. Battlefield had its own audience, and did not have to sell out to the COD crowd. I really hope the game flops and they learn their lesson.

No doubt true, but changes nothing. And BF3 wasn't a flop, while it won't reach MW3 numbers, pre-selling 5M of anything at 60 bucks isn't likely to instill the gaming industry w/ a lot of desire to stop mimicking Hollywood with their sequel disease.

[naut]

Ugh, this and Modern Yawnfare are for me everything that is wrong with FPS, just CGI gallery shooters. I'll take RO2 over these any day. [/grumpy]

[Vuk]

No doubt true, but changes nothing. And BF3 wasn't a flop, while it won't reach MW3 numbers, pre-selling 5M of anything at 60 bucks isn't likely to instill the gaming industry w/ a lot of desire to stop mimicking Hollywood with their sequel disease.
Yes, but it likely would have sold just as well if they did not flip their finger in the face of PC gamers, just like the @$$80!3$ who made DX3. The entire industry knows how to do nothing but mindlessly follow the path of the latest franchises. They all one to appeal to a single audience and completely ignore all the other, potentially less profitable audiences out there. They are risk adverse, and they deem not copying the latest hits to be a risk. The only major player in the industry I can think of who put out a game that was a considerable risk recently is Valve, and look how well that did. Risks can cause great losses, but can also pull in big profits. You simply have to take risk intelligently, and not blindly. The whole industry is too stupid and too afraid of losing to do that.

[edyzmedieval]

Ugh, this and Modern Yawnfare are for me everything that is wrong with FPS, just CGI gallery shooters. I'll take RO2 over these any day. [/grumpy]

They cater to different species of gamers. RO2 is a strong realistic shooter while BF3 and MW3 focus more on the arcade part.

[Sp4]

No BF3 for me then.

xD What were you expecting. BF series have never been single player games. The campaign in BC1 sucked, the one in BC2 sucked, the one in BF3 sucked, there were none before that.
All the campaigns do now is look pretty but hey, that can be said of every new FPS these days.

[Vuk]

xD Wtf were you expecting. BF series have never been single player games. The campaign in BC1 sucked, the one in BC2 sucked, the one in BF3 sucked, there were none before that.
All the campaigns do now is look pretty but hey, that can be said of every new FPS these days.
My internet has always sucked, so I have played SP and occasionally lanned. For me, SP was all there was.

[edyzmedieval]

xD What were you expecting. BF series have never been single player games. The campaign in BC1 sucked, the one in BC2 sucked, the one in BF3 sucked, there were none before that.
All the campaigns do now is look pretty but hey, that can be said of every new FPS these days.

I have to say, despite the lack of campaign, the 1942 Single Player was real fun.

[LeftEyeNine]

FPS stands for First Person Shooter so I'm not sure what's with expecting shooting action from a game that does not exclusively specify itself as multiplayer.

Yeah, the trend may be MMFPS especially about those 2 series but I've loved the cinematic experience of CODMW2 I was sucked in and I'd like more of it.

[easytarget]

FPS stands for First Person Shooter so I'm not sure what's with expecting shooting action from a game that does not exclusively specify itself as multiplayer.

Yeah, the trend may be MMFPS especially about those 2 series but I've loved the cinematic experience of CODMW2 I was sucked in and I'd like more of it.

funny you should use the word cinematic, that would be exactly the reason why i hate it

shooter on rails that plays like you're watching a movie not actually playing the game is exactly what's wrong with the last two cod's

[Fragony]

funny you should use the word cinematic, that would be exactly the reason why i hate it

shooter on rails that plays like you're watching a movie not actually playing the game is exactly what's wrong with the last two cod's

But if you like that kinda thing COD is just the thing you like, can't say they can't put up a great show, nobody does it better.

@LEN BF3 campaign is ok, the awesome graphics help a lot. Haven't played MW3 heard it also looks great, but in MW2 the engine really showed it's age

[easytarget]

Fair enough Fragony, I'll agree with that. I'm not one to argue someone else out of what they like.

For me though, I'm reflexively repulsed by any game that stoops to forcing me to view their handy work by grabbing my face the whole ride and forcing me to gape at their work, it feels like summer time blockbusters for 14 year olds mixed with a Disney ride.

[Vuk]

Fair enough Fragony, I'll agree with that. I'm not one to argue someone else out of what they like.

For me though, I'm reflexively repulsed by any game that stoops to forcing me to view their handy work by grabbing my face the whole ride and forcing me to gape at their work, it feels like summer time blockbusters for 14 year olds mixed with a Disney ride.

QFT
Honestly my politics and my taste in video games are extremely similar. The thing I value above all other things is freedom. The freedom to install it where I want, the freedom to tweek the game if I am not satisfied (thanks for letting me down there CA), the freedom to play as many mods as I like, the freedom to go anywhere and do anything within reason. I believe that it was Tim Stellmach who said once to a group of Video Game Design students that if you put even one unnecessary barrier to the player in your game, than you can count your game a complete failure. A game is not supposed to be about game designers creating an experience, but about the power of allowing gamers to create their own experience. What I have always loved about the Battlefield franchise is the ability to go anywhere and do anything with as much freedom as a game designer could possibly give you. The greatest video games are ones where you can create you own, awesome experiences, then look back and know that you, not some character you have no control over, just did something really cool.

When you take that away from BF, it ceases to become battlefield and becomes another worthless COD-clone.

[LeftEyeNine]

Well I'm still thrilled with that mission in Brazil you had to run away in and out of the houses and all over rooftops like a rat in a cage of cats. CoD had delivered what I liked by then and I'm looking for similar experiences in a FPS game.

Anyho, it seems it's a matter of different tastes.

Frag, noted. :bow:

[Fragony]

Indeed. I'm no fan I play through it once between multiplayer sessions, it's hard to feel cheated even if campaign can be beaten in a day. Nobody ever complains about the Half-Life or Uncharted games being scripted. Got no COD game in any top 10 but it are good games, not really for me but good nonetheless

[Fragony]

Can't edit, article vukkie and easytarget should apreciate. It's kinda true of course, FPS games are a shadow of the glory of the first Rainbow-Six games and No One Lives Forever (best shooter ever made imho) or even Halo. Let's not even get me started on System Shock 2 and Thief

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1212380p1.html

[Vuk]

Indeed. I'm no fan I play through it once between multiplayer sessions, it's hard to feel cheated even if campaign can be beaten in a day. Nobody ever complains about the Half-Life or Uncharted games being scripted. Got no COD game in any top 10 but it are good games, not really for me but good nonetheless
That is because those games are built around scripted events (even so, they offer more freedom than COD). No one is saying you cannot have games with scripted events. People get mad when they take a non-scripted game like BF that they loved and sell-out. I enjoyed Half-life, but never half as much as BF 1942 and BF 2.


Can't edit, article vukkie and easytarget should apreciate. It's kinda true of course, FPS games are a shadow of the glory of the first Rainbow-Six games and No One Lives Forever (best shooter ever made imho) or even Halo. Let's not even get me started on System Shock 2 and Thief

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1212380p1.html
I agree with most of the article. As far as No One Lives Forever, I have never played that, but have heard from lots of my friends that it is excellent (mostly Thief and DX fans TBH), so I decided to go out and buy it today. After all, I don't live forever, so I might as well play it before I die. lol

[easytarget]

I don't like to oversell games, it interferes with subsequent player enjoyment, on the other hand, you do need to pitch something occasionally that truly is a gem in order to get it played.

NOLF is one of those games. Classic SP FPS. Sure the graphics are a bit dated, been awhile since it came out, but it's solid entertainment.

[easytarget]

Can't edit, article vukkie and easytarget should apreciate. It's kinda true of course, FPS games are a shadow of the glory of the first Rainbow-Six games and No One Lives Forever (best shooter ever made imho) or even Halo. Let's not even get me started on System Shock 2 and Thief

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1212380p1.html

Yep, I agree with most of the article. Here is a reference to what I consider the amount of freedom and choice most modern FPS SP games provide the player (I threw out a link because I suspect most of you aren't old enough to of actually seen and played this game): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Lair

Note the section under Gameplay. And when they say "instead of controlling the character", they don't do the game justice in how stupid it was, you literally watched the game play itself and hit a button (yeah, one lousy button) at certain points, it was literally, a button masher with zero control over the game.

And just like the MW3, it made a ton of money at point of release.

[Fragony]

'As far as No One Lives Forever, I have never played that, but have heard from lots of my friends that it is excellent (mostly Thief and DX fans TBH), so I decided to go out and buy it today.'

Ow! Sir you are in for a real treat, it's pure genius from beginning to end, excellent AI, full of whacky humour and bursting with variety. And Cate Archer is the coolest heroin in video-gaming history, period. Oh and that soundtrack..

sniff

[Vuk]

'As far as No One Lives Forever, I have never played that, but have heard from lots of my friends that it is excellent (mostly Thief and DX fans TBH), so I decided to go out and buy it today.'

Ow! Sir you are in for a real treat, it's pure genius from beginning to end, excellent AI, full of whacky humour and bursting with variety. And Cate Archer is the coolest heroin in video-gaming history, period. Oh and that soundtrack..

sniff

lol, I saw some vids online and it reminded me of MDK2 with its over-the-top humour. I gotta admit, it does look really funny.

*Abandon ship! Abandon ship!*

Did he say ship, or sheep?

Ship, why?

Oh, no reason...
I just gotta stop watching all the videos or I will know all the jokes before I play the game. :P

[easytarget]

Yep, I got to say, NOLF is one of those games that reminds me of really good books that end, and leave you wishing you had them to read again, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

I envy you, enjoy it!

[Hamata]

It's still the same story as cod though russia is evil/U.S.A dominate. or something like that

[easytarget]

Right, because it's a spy spoof riffing off the 60's cold war period.

[Fragony]

Yep, I got to say, NOLF is one of those games that reminds me of really good books that end, and leave you wishing you had them to read again, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

I envy you, enjoy it!


Aye to that, the moments where the awesome main theme kicks in is when you realise you are playing pure gold. Shame about the sequel, it just left me cold

[easytarget]

Agreed, sequels are tough to pull off, most don't succeed. That's OK though, it detracts nothing from the first one's genius, just means that anyone reading this thread will know the place to start and end is with the first one.

[Fragony]

WTVuk no writedown yet? I hope that is because you are too busy with being in HARM's way. I DEMAND A REVIEW, and it should include the words 'yes' and 'indeed' at least twice.

[Vuk]

WTVuk no writedown yet? I hope that is because you are too busy with being in HARM's way. I DEMAND A REVIEW, and it should include the words 'yes' and 'indeed' at least twice.
lol, NOLF and NOLF 2 have both shipped, but neither have arrived yet. And when they do, I am going to at least try to resist installing them until Winter break.
I think I would fail my classes if I started playing them. :P

[lars573]

I agree with most of the article. As far as No One Lives Forever, I have never played that, but have heard from lots of my friends that it is excellent (mostly Thief and DX fans TBH), so I decided to go out and buy it today. After all, I don't live forever, so I might as well play it before I die. lol
Well I liked NOLF. But I hated Deus Ex, and refuse to play any other games in the series (hated it that much). And the first 2 Thief games were unplayable trash. Third one was alright.


It's still the same story as cod though russia is evil/U.S.A dominate. or something like that
In the 60's that makes sense. In MW2 it's even more ridiculous than the same storyline was in Red Dawn 25 years ago. China might have been more realistic, but you want to able to sell the game in China........

[Vuk]

Well I liked NOLF. But I hated Deus Ex, and refuse to play any other games in the series (hated it that much). And the first 2 Thief games were unplayable trash. Third one was alright.

You are lucky that there are rules in place that forbid it lars, otherwise you would have so many obscenities coming your way that you would not know where to put them...or maybe you would...but that is not my business. I will leave it at this: go to h...ome base. :)

[lars573]

My "grand-father" (my mom was Roman adopted) was a sailor. There's PM's, come at me bro! :toff:


And that last reference makes no sense to someone who never got past the first few levels of Thief 1 or 2, or Deus Ex. ~;p They were that bad. Especially Thief 2. Taffing Hammer prison......

[Fragony]

And the first 2 Thief games were unplayable trash. Third one was alright.

Que wut, first two Thief games are pure genius. Third one is a crime against humanity

By the way, I am right behind you right now

Especially Thief 2. Taffing Hammer prison......

That's Thief 1

[Vuk]

Que wut, first two Thief games are pure genius. Third one is a crime against humanity

By the way, I am right behind you right now

Especially Thief 2. Taffing Hammer prison......

That's Thief 1

QFT
Thief 1&2 are amongst the best games ever made. (second only to DX1 IMHO) Thief 3 was an insult to the first games and to all the fans.


My "grand-father" (my mom was Roman adopted) was a sailor. There's PM's, come at me bro! :toff:


And that last reference makes no sense to someone who never got past the first few levels of Thief 1 or 2, or Deus Ex. ~;p They were that bad. Especially Thief 2. Taffing Hammer prison......
You never got past the first few levels? I bet that if you had played them farther you would have had a different opinion. Sure, they are not the addictive twitch shooters like the first Unreal Tournament, but their beauty lies in their storyline and depth. Also, the gameplay is some of the best in the world if you have the patience for it. Thief 2 and DX had me captivated from the get-go. Thief 1 I did find a little slow at first, but you just need to give it a little bit of time and it will draw you in.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Guys, let's keep it respectful.

CR

[Fragony]

QFT
Thief 1&2 are amongst the best games ever made. (second only to DX1 IMHO) Thief 3 was an insult to the first games and to all the fans.


:sweetheart: The only thing preventing me from strapping up explosives is the Cradle. That was awesome. Nowhere as scary as Thief 1 but what is?

JOIN US, JOIN US NOWWWWW

[lars573]

You never got past the first few levels? I bet that if you had played them farther you would have had a different opinion. Sure, they are not the addictive twitch shooters like the first Unreal Tournament, but their beauty lies in their storyline and depth. Also, the gameplay is some of the best in the world if you have the patience for it. Thief 2 and DX had me captivated from the get-go. Thief 1 I did find a little slow at first, but you just need to give it a little bit of time and it will draw you in.
Which would never happen. The game play made me see red. Plus everything about Deus Ex ripped off the Matrix.


Que wut, first two Thief games are pure genius. Third one is a crime against humanity
I disagree. The third Thief is no masterpiece, but it's leagues better than the others, which are unplayable.


By the way, I am right behind you right now
I have a $70,000 sliver of radioactive meteor to stop the one from Metropolis, with you all I need is a penny for a book of matches.



That's Thief 1
Really? Then I guess I'm getting the numbering mixed up, all the burned copy my brother got hold had on it was Thief. It's been so long.

[Fragony]

Plus everything about Deus Ex ripped off the Matrix. I think Deus Ex is older than The Matrix, but even if it isn't, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Matrix.

I disagree. The third Thief is no masterpiece, but it's leagues better than the others, which are unplayable. No problem here, still play them in fact (fan missions that is I WILL NEVER HAVE ENOUGH)

[Vuk]

Which would never happen. The game play made me see red. Plus everything about Deus Ex ripped off the Matrix.


Why exactly? Was it too hard for you? Honestly, that is the impression I am getting.
Also, the only similarities between DX and the Matrix was that the main characters wore trench coats and sun glasses. Unless I am mistaken, DX's development began before the matrix was release, and DX was released a year later.


I disagree. The third Thief is no masterpiece, but it's leagues better than the others, which are unplayable.


No, they are not unplayable, as the fact that thousands of gamers can play through them proves. What do you mean by unplayable? Too difficult? Not interesting? What?

And for your insulting Thief I have only one thing to say to you "MY HAMMER AWAITS THEE!!" ~;)

[Vuk]

I disagree. The third Thief is no masterpiece, but it's leagues better than the others, which are unplayable. No problem here, still play them in fact (fan missions that is I WILL NEVER HAVE ENOUGH)
Have you ever played Too Good To Be True? My sis made that one for a contest. :P It was the second mission she ever made.

[Fragony]

Have you ever played Too Good To Be True? My sis made that one for a contest. :P It was the second mission she ever made.

Will check it out.

And Thief 4 better be good or there will be blood. Thief 3 has not been forgiven.

[Vuk]

Will check it out.

And Thief 4 better be good or there will be blood. Thief 3 has not been forgiven.
If DX 3 and the few things leaked out about Thief 4 are true, then it will be even worse. Kinda makes you wish you could line up everyone at EM and punch 'em all in the face. (of course I would never want to do that, because I am a peace loving man)

[lars573]

I think Deus Ex is older than The Matrix, but even if it isn't, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Matrix.
Deus Ex came out a year after the Matrix. Or if your me and played the PS2 version, 2002.


No problem here, still play them in fact (fan missions that is I WILL NEVER HAVE ENOUGH)
So? Doesn't mean they were good. I still play RTW and M2TW on occasion. Or Red Alert 2.


Why exactly? Was it too hard for you? Honestly, that is the impression I am getting.
Also, the only similarities between DX and the Matrix was that the main characters wore trench coats and sun glasses. Unless I am mistaken, DX's development began before the matrix was release, and DX was released a year later.
When I played Deus Ex it came off like a cheap Matrix clone with crap game play. Thief wasn't too hard. I have an innate tendency to go at things backwards or sideways the first time. And both games penalized me for that. Thief especially.


No, they are not unplayable, as the fact that thousands of gamers can play through them proves. What do you mean by unplayable? Too difficult? Not interesting? What?
Partly not that interesting. Partly poor overall game design, crap controls and wonky half baked gameplay mechanics.


And for your insulting Thief I have only one thing to say to you "MY HAMMER AWAITS THEE!!" ~;)
Yawn. Your hammers are weak and poorly fashioned. Dai-katanna was the better Ionstorm game. Well the N64 version with no voice track. :2thumbsup:

[Vuk]

When I played Deus Ex it came off like a cheap Matrix clone with crap game play. Thief wasn't too hard. I have an innate tendency to go at things backwards or sideways the first time. And both games penalized me for that. Thief especially.

It is absolutely nothing like the Matrix. I cannot see how you could play it and come away with that opinion. Also, I cannot see how you can say that the games penalized you for doing things different ways. That is what the games are famous for! (esp DX) The great thing about DX is that you can complete your objectives in any realistic order in almost anyway you can imagine. I really cannot see how you could have came away with that impression.


Partly not that interesting. Partly poor overall game design, crap controls and wonky half baked gameplay mechanics.

The levels were genius. The controls were fully customizable, intelligent, and minimalist, while still allowing so much control for those who wanted it. What is wonky about the gameplay mechanics? Thief had the best stealth gameplay of any game till this day.



Yawn. Your hammers are weak and poorly fashioned. Dai-katanna was the better Ionstorm game. Well the N64 version with no voice track. :2thumbsup:
Vile weed! FOR KARRAS, AND THE BUILDER!

[Fragony]

Kinda curious, what do you feel Deus Ex ripped of from the Matrix? Can think of absolutely nothing and that isn't because I'm not trying

[Veho Nex]

What the heck does this have to do with BF3?

[Fragony]

Absolutely nothing wees sneaksies stoleth the thread

[Vuk]

What the heck does this have to do with BF3?
SS, SS2, Deus Ex 1, Thief 1, Thief 2 (in that order) are the most formative games in gaming history. They defined the direction that modern games went in. Look at other games of their time, and then look at them. See how many elements of a modern shooter they have that games of their time simply did not. (esp SS)
So I guess you could say that a discussion of these foundational games is relevant to the discussion of any video game. ~;)
Ok, maybe that is a little weak. :P

[Fragony]

That, and we are fanboys, or better, loyal sluts. If you think the Fallout fans should be handled with care think again. In his youthfull folly Lars534 has upset the ballance and now our wrath is clawing it's way out into this world. And we said let it be so

[Vuk]

It is the truth. Thief and Deus Ex (Thief esp though I think) fans are probably the most loyal and the most passionate in the world. In a lot of ways they are more than just games to us, they are something that has shaped the way we think and look at the world. In a sense, they are part of us, and yet greater. They are a paragon for what games should be, an ideal the industry should strive for.
When you insult them, you bring down the wrath of the Builder. ~;)

Speaking of loyalty BTW, if you ever want to join Vuk in making your very own Hammerite suit of armour and hammer, here are some dimensions he pulled from concept art to help you!

Calculations For Hammer Dimensions Assuming Hammerite Guard is 6 feet tall. (based on rough conversion of Dromed units, info from interviews, and studying of concept art. You can do your own calculations for your individual height to get your own customized hammer though ~;))
{
76 pixels = 1 Foot
6.3333333333333333333333333333333 Pixels = 1 Inch
Height = 456 pixels
Height = 6 feet
Height = 72 Inches

Hammer height = 278 pixels
Hammer height = 3.6578947368421052631578947368421 feet
Hammer height = 43.894736842105263157894736842104 Inches

Hammer Handle Height = 247 Pixels
Hammer Handle Height = 3.25 Feet
Hammer Handle Height = 39 Inches

Hammer Handle Circumference = 9 Pixels
Hammer Handle Circumference = 0.11842105263157894736842105263158 Feet
Hammer Handle Circumference = 1.4210526315789473684210526315789 Inches

Hammer Head Height = 31 pixels
Hammer Head Height = 0.40789473684210526315789473684211 feet
Hammer Head Height = 4.894736842105263157894736842104 Inches

Hammer head width (with taper) = 56 pixels
Hammer head width (with taper) = 0.73684210526315789473684210526316 feet
Hammer head width (with taper) = 8.842105263157894736842105263156 Inches

Hammer head width (without taper) = 45 pixels
Hammer head width (without taper) = 0.59210526315789473684210526315789 feet
Hammer head width (without taper) = 7.105263157894736842105263157884 Inches

Angle of Taper = 45
}

[Vuk]

WTVuk no writedown yet? I hope that is because you are too busy with being in HARM's way. I DEMAND A REVIEW, and it should include the words 'yes' and 'indeed' at least twice.
lol, I broke down over Thanksgiving and played through it. Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139184-No-One-Lives-Forever) is my review. (short and sweet)

[edyzmedieval]

Anyone here actively enjoying Battlefield 3?

[Hooahguy]

I was. Before something wacky happened with a patch and my performance dropped. Still go on every now and then. A lot of fun, I just dont have the time that I used to, and the time I do have is spent in Deus Ex: HR or Crusader Kings 2.

[easytarget]

Anyone here actively enjoying Battlefield 3?

Used to, when it first came out, then I reached some tipping point with EA, not sure what the last asshat sort of thing they did that pushed me over, but at any rate, I uninstalled Origin and I've decided to never buy another game published by EA.

I'd pretty much already reached my limit with the sameness of every modern shooter, the entire genre feels like Westerns were back in the day, it's as if the devs and publishers can't be bothered to show any imagination whatsoever in developing games. It's all interchangeably boring.

Time is on my side though, and I've got plenty to occupy my time. Just as westerns, which in their hey day were no doubt seen as something that would never come to an end, it will. Probably about the time they pull their heads out far enough to realize game purchasing demographics have moved well past 14 year old boys.

[tibilicus]

I still play regularly on the 360.

[Hooahguy]

Oh, also the whole Premium thing is dampening my liking of it.

[Fragony]

Anyone here actively enjoying Battlefield 3?

Tried to but it's too overwhelming in scope for my liking, I do sometimes play team deathmatch but not the Rush and Conquest modes.

[edyzmedieval]

A bit of a thread resurrection, but BF3 is available for free up until today on the Origin Store.

[edyzmedieval]

In case you want to feel old, this incredible gameplay trailer, with the famous tank battle presentation, is 5 years old. :freak:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwOrl036_A