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edyzmedieval
11-30-2011, 01:01
Referring here to the books, mainly. :book2:
So, who's up to reading the whole epic? Just finished book 2 today (A Clash of Kings) and I must say I'm really enjoying the series so far. I for one love the whole political intrigue and change of situation in the books, always keeps me guessing what happens next. Sometimes it's pleasantly surprising, sometimes I feel bad for the characters I root for. :yes:
Anyone else?
Made a post about it in 'what're you reading' thread.
Finished Feast of Crows.
Up till now the first book is my favourite.
Quoting from other post-
Finished A Feast for Crows.
Going to get a A Dance with Dragons soon.
Wikipedia says that there are two more books left after this. Considering the number of loose ends and unanswered questions though, I cannot see how GRRM can tie them all up in just two books, satisfactorily.
Pretty intriguing names though.
Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. Makes one wonder if there is going to be a happy ending to books. The last book's name seems to suggest otherwise.
atheotes
11-30-2011, 09:20
Just halfway through the firstbook and liking it so far :yes:
The first book is sitting on my desk, waiting for a less hectic time in my life to be cracked open. I don't imagine it's the type of book you can read with lots of distractions.
edyzmedieval
12-01-2011, 00:04
The first book is sitting on my desk, waiting for a less hectic time in my life to be cracked open. I don't imagine it's the type of book you can read with lots of distractions.
It will draw you in quite easily, especially the first book. :yes:
atheotes
12-01-2011, 08:13
This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136923-Westeros-A-Game-of-Thrones.)might interest some of you
CaesarAugustus
12-01-2011, 09:28
I've read through the whole series once, the second book is the best, the fourth is to be endured, the rest are quite above average.
scottishranger
12-04-2011, 20:06
Just finished A Dance with Dragons.
Absolutely love the series. I love how long it is also. I cant believe how he always ends up killing off the people I love though :(
Papewaio
12-07-2011, 22:06
I've slowly read each book as its slowly been published. Dark and gritty but if you want a faster paced but similar grit try Joe Abercrombie "The Blade Itself" is the first book and he has been cranking them out since... Any series where a teeth pulling crippled inquisitor is practically the good guy yet still has its funny moments is a gem.
Martins work is very interesting.
We used to refer to people who wanted a fresh start at the Org to have taking the black in reference to this series
edyzmedieval
12-08-2011, 03:01
When I read the first time the mention of Ser Sandor Clegane I thought immediately of our own Ser Clegane. :grin:
edyzmedieval
12-16-2011, 21:21
Advancing through the third book, getting all the more muddled (in a good way) and captivating.
I will probably stop after the fourth book and wait for the others to be released before I continue, I don't want to finish the books and then wonder a couple of years what will happen until the next book comes out. :grin:
Hooahguy
12-17-2011, 23:03
5th book is fantastic.
The Stranger
04-02-2012, 13:55
Season 2 YEAH
Hooahguy
04-03-2012, 03:50
First episode was great, loved it!
Yup. First episode was full of win. Many great moments.
Tyrion's meeting with Cersei, Robb and Jamie's little chat and finally Littlefinger's scene with Cersei
Although I'm afraid the whole thing felt a bit disjointed. Which going by the books will probably become a common norm for all the episodes.
Hooahguy
04-03-2012, 12:00
Yeah, it felt a bit disjointed, but thats to be expected.
It feels more like a "Catch Up" episode. It is as if they are trying to cram in elements of the book in as little of time as possible, so it is moving very fast.
The budget constraints are quite hilarious though. Joffrey's tournament was very laughable, it is a couple of guys fighting on a wall with people crammed in around them. I know in the books it was meant to be a complete joke, but not -this- bad.
They have 50 mins to put all together, imo was masterly done...
Yes was sad not seeing more of Cressen or charas like Patchface, Shireen or Brynden, but again they have lots of limitations to deal with...
In the future though, like ASoS, I can't see it covered in just 10 eps...
They'll probably cram scenes from the book together and remove the relatively unnecessary once entirely.
For instance I think that the bit about Daenerys
Stopping in the ruined city in the middle of the Red Waste will be removed entirely and next she'll be shown at the gates of Qarth.
CountArach
04-04-2012, 14:02
The budget constraints are quite hilarious though. Joffrey's tournament was very laughable, it is a couple of guys fighting on a wall with people crammed in around them. I know in the books it was meant to be a complete joke, but not -this- bad.
Their budget is massive though. They got a 15% increase on the $50-60 Million that they had from last year.
Some of the scenes are really shoddy though and poor Stannis.. he is depicted as a big child who will kick and scream if he doesn't get his own way. Those "corrections" are also silly, they come across as rushed and a little highpitched. I imagined him slower and a little more demanding, forceful. A far more calculated and powerful character, only limited by his strong lawful morality.
CountArach
04-04-2012, 14:20
Some of the scenes are really shoddy though and poor Stannis.. he is depicted as a big child who will kick and scream if he doesn't get his own way. Those "corrections" are also silly, they come across as rushed and a little highpitched. I imagined him slower and a little more demanding, forceful. A far more calculated and powerful character, only limited by his strong lawful morality.
I love Stannis and I was quite happy with the way that he was portrayed. I imagine after a couple more episodes the actor will sink more into the role. As has been said, they were in a rush to get everything into there.
Yeah, far too early to tell...
But so far I agree with Beskie, I expected more pauses and "clenched teeth" :P
Hooahguy
04-05-2012, 04:51
Well they had to fit a lot in so I expected it to be a bit rushed when it came to the Stannis scene.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-07-2012, 23:57
Bought the entire book series.. must say the books are just as captivating as the tv serial..
Bought the entire book series.. must say the books are just as captivating as the tv serial..
Wait till they get longer and you start having the urges to skip over a few pages of rambling now and again.
Centurion1
04-08-2012, 05:58
Wait till they get longer and you start having the urges to skip over a few pages of rambling now and again.
So good i never wanted too!!!
johnhughthom
04-08-2012, 12:47
So good i never wanted too!!!
I approach every Bran chapter not knowing if I'll have the strength to read it all...
Ibn-Khaldun
04-08-2012, 13:04
Who are the most favourite characters to you?
Since I saw the tv series first then I really like Tyrion Lannister. Funny little man.. And I like Jon Snow as well.
Episode 2.
Nice enough. Lot of gratuitous stuff.....again.
Minor plot changes, (as I suspected)
Like Bron being named the commander of the Gold Cloaks. And they actually showed an Other taking away Craster's child.
What I did not like was Tyrion's meeting with Janos Slynt. It was very short...that scene had a lot of malicious potential. Rest of Tyrion's scenes, specially the one with Varys, were good. Nice to see the little man throwing his weight around on the screen.
johnhughthom
04-08-2012, 13:24
Who are the most favourite characters to you?
Since I saw the tv series first then I really like Tyrion Lannister. Funny little man.. And I like Jon Snow as well.
Maybe a bit spoilery as I talk about later books.
I think everyone loves Tyrion. Jon Snow seems to divide people, not a fan myself. My favourites are probably Tywin and Arya, and Tyrion of course. Really starting to like Jaime in the later books too, Brienne as well.
The Lurker Below
04-08-2012, 15:34
some favorites come, some favorites go. i only hope that Arya is still standing at the end.
Hooahguy
04-09-2012, 15:38
Episode 2 was pretty good, Im gonna have to rewatch it.
But the ending scene with Stannis and Melisandre was horrific. I mean, she never offered him a son, if memory serves, and they definitely never had sex.
That's actually how she can make her shadows...
In the books it was hinted many times that they shared chambers and bed...
Melisandre asked Davos too in one occasion iirc...
Greyblades
04-09-2012, 16:55
Some of the scenes are really shoddy though and poor Stannis.. he is depicted as a big child who will kick and scream if he doesn't get his own way. Those "corrections" are also silly, they come across as rushed and a little highpitched. I imagined him slower and a little more demanding, forceful. A far more calculated and powerful character, only limited by his strong lawful morality.
I think your saying that because you're attached to him after playing him in the gameroom, I still cringe when I read the chapters with tywin.
That's actually how she can make her shadows...
In the books it was hinted many times that they shared chambers and bed...
Melisandre asked Davos too in one occasion iirc...
You remember correctly. It's after the chapter where they kill Renly together.
However she does not offer him a son. Infact in the books it's stated quite a few times that Shireen is Stannis' heir.
The Stranger
04-09-2012, 17:30
Maybe a bit spoilery as I talk about later books.
I think everyone loves Tyrion. Jon Snow seems to divide people, not a fan myself. My favourites are probably Tywin and Arya, and Tyrion of course. Really starting to like Jaime in the later books too, Brienne as well.
i liked jon snow way up to the last book... he became very annoying then, too much like his stepmom -_- how that happened, i dont know. but apparantly every stark (except maybe arya) makes really stupid descisions.
Greyblades
04-09-2012, 17:55
*shrugs* Everyone makes mistakes, and in SOIAF mistakes are usually fatal, personally I was surprised jon managed to last as long as he did considering he was doing so well and seeing as the game of thrones entity of death is even more sadistic than the one in the Final destination movies.
*shrugs* Everyone makes mistakes, and in SOIAF mistakes are usually fatal, personally I was surprised jon managed to last as long as he did considering he was doing so well and seeing as the game of thrones entity of death is even more sadistic than the one in the Final destination movies.
I doubt he's dead...
If you recall they spent hours in closed doors planning...
Worst case there's a red priestess handy XD
But in overall I enjoyed every chapter and stories, mind you the Starks' storyline isn't the one I'm most interested in, but every character with his point of view, provides enjoyable "angles"...
Even Cersei's madness and paranoia was entertaining to me :D
All I care for is an ending that isn't cheesy...
Greyblades
04-09-2012, 19:31
After mass effect I would welcome a cheesy ending, I want at least someone to have a happy ending dang it!
Even Cersei's madness and paranoia was entertaining to me :D
The Cersei chapters in the recent books were few of my favourites. I relished (a little maliciously perhaps) reading how even after screwing so many things up, she does not lose her attitude and arrogance, and even in the face of shame and humiliation, she really seems to believe (quite stupidly) in her superiority.
Hooahguy
04-09-2012, 20:42
The Cersei chapters in the recent books were few of my favourites. I relished (a little maliciously perhaps) reading how even after screwing so many things up, she does not lose her attitude and arrogance, and even in the face of shame and humiliation, she really seems to believe (quite stupidly) in her superiority.
Totally agree!
That's actually how she can make her shadows...
In the books it was hinted many times that they shared chambers and bed...
Yup, and Melissandre has a real "thing" for royal blood. She works her shadow magic with it, among other things. Remember how she gets about the maybe-royal baby? Wants to keep it around?
Also, if I remember correctly, she intends to do some sort of royal blood offering to awake the dragons of the wall. Which I'm guessing will not work in a spectacular manner.
I was watching episode 2 with a friend, and explained, "Anyone can die, good deeds are usually punished, and nobody's plan works out. Ever."
Ibn-Khaldun
04-09-2012, 21:13
I actually wish Tyrion to become the king in the end..
johnhughthom
04-09-2012, 22:11
You remember correctly. It's after the chapter where they kill Renly together.
However she does not offer him a son. Infact in the books it's stated quite a few times that Shireen is Stannis' heir.
I assume son is a euphemism for the shadow that kills Renley.
tibilicus
04-10-2012, 02:32
Although I have read the books I'm personally of the opinion that the tv series is better. As much as I appreciate the world Martin has created; the pace since a Storm of Swords has been incredibly slow, almost to an unnecessary extent.
Hooahguy
04-10-2012, 04:25
Although I have read the books I'm personally of the opinion that the tv series is better. As much as I appreciate the world Martin has created; the pace since a Storm of Swords has been incredibly slow, almost to an unnecessary extent.
I have never heard anyone say this until now.
Papewaio
04-10-2012, 06:37
Well my bet is that while Jon Snow is of Eddeards blood he isnt his bastard. My guess is that Jon Snow was the bastard of his sister and either the mad king or Rhaegar.
atheotes
04-10-2012, 07:22
I have never heard anyone say this until now.
second that.
Well my bet is that while Jon Snow is of Eddeards blood he isnt his bastard. My guess is that Jon Snow was the bastard of his sister and either the mad king or Rhaegar.
The possibility is open i suppose. IIRC, there is mention of Lyanna Stark being raped from the Stark's POV. We know that Robert was in love with her and was betrothed. But there is no mention of her feeling towards Robert. And the exact timeline of events between Lyanna being "abducted" and her death. I would be very surprised if Jon was Aerys's bastard.
Hooahguy
04-10-2012, 18:05
Also, the GoT facebook page has just announced that its been renewed for a 3rd season.
johnhughthom
04-10-2012, 18:11
Also, the GoT facebook page has just announced that its been renewed for a 3rd season.
Wonder if they'll do the whole Storm of Swords in one series, or do it in two a la the UK edition of the book. They'd have to cut a lot to fit it into 10 episodes.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-10-2012, 18:17
Wonder if they'll do the whole Storm of Swords in one series, or do it in two a la the UK edition of the book. They'd have to cut a lot to fit it into 10 episodes.
UK edition of the book?
Hooahguy
04-10-2012, 18:51
The Uk edition is split in half.
Wonder if they'll do the whole Storm of Swords in one series, or do it in two a la the UK edition of the book. They'd have to cut a lot to fit it into 10 episodes.
I hope they split it:
- they haven't introduced anyone from House Tully, except Cat.
- Brotherhood Without Banners, shown Dondarrion for a sec, Thoros only mentioned and that's it.
- Mance Rayder and a HUGE amount of characters beyond and at the Wall.
- Whole Bran's storyline (still no Reeds!!!).
- Slaver's Bay.
- Arya and the Hound.
- Red Wedding.
- Joffrey's Wedding.
- Oberyn.
I mean all of that is crucial to the story, what are they going to cut there? XD
Hoorah!
Yes, it's official.
HBO has ordered a third season of GAME OF THRONES.
Like the first two seasons, it will be ten episodes long. This one will cover (roughly) the first half or thereabouts of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the series.
I'll be writing the seventh episode, with the working title "Autumn Storms."
Full details can be found at a dozen other places on the web, so I won't rehash 'em here. Just wanted to pass along the news to my faithful readers.
We had a grab event tonight at the Bloomsbury Theatre. Now I'm tired. night, all.
link (http://grrm.livejournal.com/)
Admittedly, still not liking Stannis. He seems so whiney and pathetic in comparison to how he is made out to be, and the comments from Davos about Stannis being his god just come across as silly and petty because of it.
The Stranger
04-16-2012, 13:16
i guess ppl will dislike this episode.
Varys is epic tho
Malahide MPV for the season, perfect Balon ^^
Pitty no Victarion and Aeron so far :(
I liked the ep in overall (Yoren being the motivator for Arya's prayer, was so-so, but still acceptable), can't wait to see Harrenhal!
Hooahguy
04-16-2012, 21:03
I thought it was quite good, I thought that Margaery and Brienne wwere done very well.
The Stranger
04-16-2012, 23:10
but the tournament sukked :S
i like the rest
the part with the riddle of varys was great!
Hooahguy
04-17-2012, 00:36
Eh, the tournament was fine.
I liked the third episode, completely different change of pace from the first two.
I felt that the Renly-Loras-Margaery dialogue was great, really capturing a dynamic that only seems to be implied in the novels. I also enjoyed the Night's Watch scenes, Yoren went out like a real boss, just as I imagined.
The standout part for me though was how well they directed Tyrion's duplicity with the small council, by proposing different plans for Myrcella to Pycelle, Varys and Littlefinger; the transitions between the three and their different responses, interlinked with Tyrion's own musings on the Martells/Greyjoys/Arryns, was portrayed brilliantly by all involved and there was a real sense of satisfaction in seeing the snitch's comeuppance.
The only part I disliked was those involving the Greyjoys, but then I've never liked the principles of their house and Theon's treachery was always a major annoyance for me, so seeing these things on-screen only served to exacerbate those sentiments. :P
Another great episode. Brienne is spot on, and man is she tall.
Loved the scene where Tyrion confronts Pycell. The bit where he puts the second coin for the prostitute had me laughing hard. The scene with Varys was good too, but since they'd spoiled the dialogue in the trailer, it was a bit underwhelming.
And last part with Yoren and Arya. From the quiet chat they were having to the brutal and bloody deaths, it was excellent.
Read all the books some years ago. Probably the #1 best fantasy series for me, at least in the character story, nitty-gritty realistic historical fantasy segment.
Greyblades
04-17-2012, 20:38
The bit where he puts the second coin for the prostitute had me laughing hard.
Hrm, I'm kinda annoyed that I didnt get the joke there.
Hrm, I'm kinda annoyed that I didnt get the joke there.
After Tyrion places the first coin he sees Pycell struggling (surprisingly) manfully with Bronn and Shagga and comes to the conclusion that if he's so vigorous out of bed, then he must be a lot more virile, than what can be guessed by his appearance. And thus decides that the poor girl deserves a bit more.
edyzmedieval
04-18-2012, 15:42
I'm always rooting for the Starks, but why is it that they experience so many setbacks?
I'm always rooting for the Starks, but why is it that they experience so many setbacks?
They say everytime someone asks GRRM about the release date of his next book, he kills off a Stark. :clown:
Seriously though, I don't think they've fallen so hard as everyone thinks. It's just that...they fell, badly, but with the bad came the good. Probably they won't be the glorious family of the North that they could've been had everything gone well but even ATM
Bran is on his way to godhood, more or less. Sansa is becoming an expert in the very game her father died because of, and she's learning from a pro. Arya is becoming a deadly assassin in a world renowned brotherhood. Jon is the commander of Night's Watch (and he won't die, I can wager my fortune on that), and will probably turn out to be the third head of the dragon or somehow related to Rhaegar. And Catelyn, will most probably find peace after she kicks some more Frey butt.
The only one left is Rickon, and something in my gut says that he'll be the next Lord Stark eventually.
So yeah their situations are not ideal, but they're pretty damn awesome all the same.
Spoilers as of the 5th book:
To add what rajpoot said, Stannis is in a very good position to secure The North...
Maybe there won't be a King in the North at the end, but the Starks aren't in such a bad shape...
Boltons and Karstarks on the other hand :P
The Stranger
04-18-2012, 23:30
They say everytime someone asks GRRM about the release date of his next book, he kills off a Stark. :clown:
Seriously though, I don't think they've fallen so hard as everyone thinks. It's just that...they fell, badly, but with the bad came the good. Probably they won't be the glorious family of the North that they could've been had everything gone well but even ATM
Bran is on his way to godhood, more or less. Sansa is becoming an expert in the very game her father died because of, and she's learning from a pro. Arya is becoming a deadly assassin in a world renowned brotherhood. Jon is the commander of Night's Watch (and he won't die, I can wager my fortune on that), and will probably turn out to be the third head of the dragon or somehow related to Rhaegar. And Catelyn, will most probably find peace after she kicks some more Frey butt.
The only one left is Rickon, and something in my gut says that he'll be the next Lord Stark eventually.
So yeah their situations are not ideal, but they're pretty damn awesome all the same.
but robb was so awesommmeeeee :S
spankythehippo
04-19-2012, 06:38
Who are the most favourite characters to you?
Since I saw the tv series first then I really like Tyrion Lannister. Funny little man.. And I like Jon Snow as well.
Prettiest characters:
Daenarys and Melisandre. Oh yeah.
The Stranger
04-19-2012, 07:38
disgusting.
Why not Brienne the Beauty?
Ibn-Khaldun
04-19-2012, 09:56
I will not judge over the beauty of the female characters in this show after I read how young some of them are in the books!
disgusting.
Why not Brienne the Beauty?
I wasn't convinced that they could do a good job creating a Brienne, you know. Because the books portray her being not 'not beautiful' but ugly. And Gwendoline Christie isn't hard to look upon.
But like I said before they did a great job! I don't know how they made her jaw/mouth look so wide....maybe they stuffed in cotton balls ala Marlon Brando.
johnhughthom
04-19-2012, 10:42
I will not judge over the beauty of the female characters in this show after I read how young some of them are in the books!
Most of the younger characters have had a few years added to their age in the series.
So apparently this episode had a reference (http://kotaku.com/5903237/too-bad-about-that-arrow-in-the-knee-doomed-game-of-thrones-kid) to Skyrim's arrow in the knee?! :dizzy2:
So apparently this episode had a reference (http://kotaku.com/5903237/too-bad-about-that-arrow-in-the-knee-doomed-game-of-thrones-kid) to Skyrim's arrow in the knee?! :dizzy2:
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but that scene is more or less straight from the book, which has been around long before Skyrim came out.
So you might see it as a reference but even in the books that kid got killed by the Lannisters because he got shot in the leg and couldn't walk with them.
Yeah I know, but I don't think they say he got hit by an arrow.
Nonetheless Kotaku guessing that it is a reference (even if it's not) just proves how widely how deeply the arrow in the knee hit people in the heads. :clown:
Hooahguy
04-19-2012, 22:56
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but that scene is more or less straight from the book, which has been around long before Skyrim came out.
GRRm wrote for Skyrim???
The Stranger
04-20-2012, 00:43
I will not judge over the beauty of the female characters in this show after I read how young some of them are in the books!
ye daenearys was like 5 years old!!
Furunculus
04-21-2012, 23:06
half way through book five, brilliant fun.
Found this latest episode rather sub standard compared to the previous ones. The Tyrion scenes were short and not as brilliant. The only bits I liked were in the latter half. Daenerys at the gates of Quarth, and the arrival of Tywin Lannister at Harrenhal. Also Liam Cunningham is becoming more Davos-y by the day. :yes:
Also who was the girl from Volantis whom Robb spoke with in the beginning. I don't remember any such character in the books and the significance of the scene fairly eluded me.
gaelic cowboy
04-23-2012, 15:34
Also Liam Cunningham is becoming more Davos-y by the day. :yes:
Liam Cunnigham is mighty stuff in whatever he does be in, even when it is utter hogwash like that japanese vampire movie he was in.
edyzmedieval
04-23-2012, 15:38
Any speculation on when Book 6 might come out?
Also who was the girl from Volantis whom Robb spoke with in the beginning. I don't remember any such character in the books and the significance of the scene fairly eluded me.
Maybe she was Jeyne? Bit weird for her travelling like that, still all these scenes are new (in ACoK Robb was only mentioned now and then).
Maybe she was Jeyne? Bit weird for her travelling like that, still all these scenes are new (in ACoK Robb was only mentioned now and then).
Doubtful. Jeyne Poole is supposed to be at one of
Littlefinger's brothels at this time in the story. Furthermore the girl in question seemed like a medic who helped amputate a wounded Lannister soldier's leg, and seemed sympathetic to the Lannisters.
Maybe it was a scene added just for the flavour and to develop Robb's character, but I haven't seen them introduce new characters for flavour yet.
Edit:
You meant Jeyne Westerling.
Apparently you are right. The actress is Oona Chaplin, and although she introduces herself as Talisa. She is indeed Jeyne Westerling.
Quote from wiki-
Originally, Chaplin was only announced as playing 'Jeyne', leading to fan speculation that she would be playing either Jeyne Westerling, a noble girl of the Westerlands, or Jeyne Poole, a friend and companion of Sansa Stark's who accompanies her to King's Landing.[1] It was later announced to be Jeyne Westerling.[2] However Chaplin's character introduces herself as Talisa when she first appears. She goes on to say that she is from the Free City of Volantis, while Jeyne Westerling is actually a member of House Westerling, minor nobles from the Westerlands sworn to House Lannister (however, Jeyne Westerling's mother is indeed from the Free Cities in the books).
The Night is Dark and full of Terrors...
I am really liking how the pacing is getting now. Far less jumpy and skippy with the scenes fleshing out abit more.
Though it seems they have taken a lot of characters out of the series, such as Edumure, the Blackfish, and many others which does make it abit sad.
BTW Stannis in the last scenes was actually good, still not as stern as I imagined him, but quite ruthless and direct...
While the shadow scene was fantastic, sad they cut all the Storm's End siege, but next episode should really start with a bang :P
I'm always rooting for the Starks, but why is it that they experience so many setbacks?
Because they do not play the game very well. They're not willing to dishonor themselves, so they get repeatedly destroyed by the people who are willing to stoop a bit lower. In short, they are naive fools. The only one who doesn't suffer from this syndrome is Arya, who was always the least Stark-ish of them all.
BTW Stannis in the last scenes was actually good, still not as stern as I imagined him, but quite ruthless and direct...
While the shadow scene was fantastic, sad they cut all the Storm's End siege, but next episode should really start with a bang :P
Storm's End siege doesn't occur in this episode. You are thinking of much later.
However... the shadow scene is the one from the Storm's End siege, which is worrying observation now you brought it up. As they might have simply merged Storm's End seige with Renly's Death. Poor Penrose.
The only one who doesn't suffer from this syndrome is Arya, who was always the least Stark-ish of them all.
Actually, it is the otherway around. Arya is the most Stark-ish of them, in looks and personality (Cue: Lyanna Stark, Eddard's Sister).
Sansa is the least Stark-ish of them in personality and looks.
edyzmedieval
04-23-2012, 19:18
I still root for Jon though. ~D
And hope Rickon gets fleshed out as a proper character.
Hooahguy
04-23-2012, 20:44
I thought it was a good episode, though I didnt like Dany's scene, and the scene with Davos, Melisandre and the demon was as freakish as I imagined it to be.
Crazed Rabbit
04-24-2012, 03:14
What do you guys think is a good way to introduce season 2 to someone who hasn't seen season 1 (or read any of the books)?
CR
Force them to watch Season 1.
What do you guys think is a good way to introduce season 2 to someone who hasn't seen season 1 (or read any of the books)?
CR
Wouldn't be much fun! The series is complicated enough with all it's characters and intertwined plots, and starting it from in between, specially in a TV show where many of the part are cut out might be a little confusing and dull.
Whoever it is certainly must watch Season 1 before this one, and if possible eventually read the books.
That's what I did. I watched the first season last year when it was aired and then got so interested that I bought the entire set of books and ADwD separately.
PanzerJaeger
04-25-2012, 02:02
So I guess this show is not going to have any big battle scenes. I get that they are expensive, but if Xena: Warrior Princess could pull it off in the 90's, I would think HBO could do one every once in a while. The fade out - fade in 'battles' just are not working for me.
Still enjoying the show, though!
http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dragons.jpg
So I guess this show is not going to have any big battle scenes. I get that they are expensive, but if Xena: Warrior Princess could pull it off in the 90's, I would think HBO could do one every once in a while. The fade out - fade in 'battles' just are not working for me.
Still enjoying the show, though!
Deep Space 9 had tons of battles too.
Come to think of it, even Rome worked in the Battle of Philippi after they knew it was canceled.
Hooahguy
04-25-2012, 04:21
So I guess this show is not going to have any big battle scenes. I get that they are expensive, but if Xena: Warrior Princess could pull it off in the 90's, I would think HBO could do one every once in a while. The fade out - fade in 'battles' just are not working for me.
Still enjoying the show, though!
Well they also have to fit in a ton of stuff in the space of 10 episodes an hour each. While battle scenes are great, unless something big happens in it, no point showing it. And AIFAK, the book doesnt go into much detail either.
Alexander the Pretty Good
04-25-2012, 04:23
They're going to do the Battle of the Blackwater, and Gurm is writing it. If it lives up to the expectation (that is, of being the only battle they can afford to do) then I will be satisfied. There weren't many battle scenes in the actual book, at least from POV perspectives.
Anyway, I liked all of the last episode except for the Jeyne Westerling introduction. It doesn't seem to match her character in the book (though we don't get to see much of her anyway) as well as being time/place-wise totally wrong.
Anyway, I liked all of the last episode except for the Jeyne Westerling introduction. It doesn't seem to match her character in the book (though we don't get to see much of her anyway) as well as being time/place-wise totally wrong.
I thought it was an utterly pointless addition until after the show and I read that she was meant to be Jeyne. Now, I think it was a very good way to set up a character who is going to have a pivotal role in the story. And another change from the books that is an improvement (given that in the books, as you say, she is totally underwritten.) They want to keep the Robb story alive in this season, so some radical changes in time/place are necessary.
Actually, it is the otherway around. Arya is the most Stark-ish of them, in looks and personality (Cue: Lyanna Stark, Eddard's Sister).
Sansa is the least Stark-ish of them in personality and looks.
I understand that perspective, but I disagree. Sansa may be excessively girly, but she's excessively girly because she's trying her best to fill her specific role in life. After the first few knocks, she becomes rather stoic and tries to maintain her dignity within the very meager limits available to her. Arya, on the other hand, isn't particularly concerned for rules, decorum, honor, or really much of anything other than pursuing her own personal ends, namely revenge. She becomes a full-on assassin. I don't quite think that Ned would have found that to be a proper profession for any Stark, regardless of gender and temperment.
Caught up with the fourth episode last night having missed it on Monday, although Sky Atlantic's second showing features audio descriptions for the blind... not entirely a bad thing, at least it wouldn't be if she pronounced names like Cersei and Tyrion correctly and didn't refer to characters and locations as "the fat boy" and "the burned castle" (Hot Pie and Harrenhal)! :P
The strongest points for the episode for me were the Stannis-Renly and Tyrion-Lancel scenes, though I enjoyed some of the further character building we saw in Robb Stark (the amputation scene showed him to be his father's son, I feel) and Tywin Lannister (instantly noting that Arya was a girl, shows the guy doesn't miss a beat).
Melisandre's birth scene... as graphic as I expected it to be, but any real impact on me as a viewer was nullified by the audio description lady bluntly saying "THE END" as the camera pans over the shadow creature. I must watch it again without the running commentary.
although Sky Atlantic's second showing features audio descriptions for the deaf... How effective was that?
How effective was that?
You have no idea! :wink:
That's what happens when you rush a post in the morning!
Greyblades
04-26-2012, 16:52
Heh, the latest south park episode referenced Game of thrones.
The Stranger
04-26-2012, 17:00
haha ye this one is quite funny :P
edyzmedieval
04-26-2012, 21:17
Bran is a proper Stark as well, he's quite the stoic and the noble one even with the adversities he's facing.
And yet, and I think everyone does, I have a particular affection for the direwolves.
atheotes
04-27-2012, 11:07
Bran is a proper Stark as well, he's quite the stoic and the noble one even with the adversities he's facing.
And yet, and I think everyone does, I have a particular affection for the direwolves.
Why would anyone not like the direwolves? :thinking: Only scenario i can think of is if they had given one to Catelyn...
The Stranger
04-27-2012, 13:17
shes a tully =_= male tullys are kewl female tullys annoying!
gaelic cowboy
04-27-2012, 14:27
Someone mentioned are there going to be big battles this time well I read probably on IGN or something that there going to do a battle but it will be at night.
They can pretend there is more fighting going on when in reality it will be just 50 to 60 extras in a dark field probably.
If they were to do a full on battle with horses and infantry etc etc then the Curragh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curragh) is the only place in Ireland where it's possible to get the real scale needed. Also the handy army barracks nearby means the army reserve lads can get a couple weeks of craic for half nothing like they did in Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan.
Wish they would do same as those films but they prob wont.
Kagemusha
04-27-2012, 14:32
Someone mentioned are there going to be battle I read probably on IGN or something that there going to do a battle but it will be at night.
They can pretend there is more fighting going on when in reality it will be just 50 to 60 extras in a dark field probably.
If they were to do a full on battle with horses and infantry etc etc then the Curragh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curragh) is the only place in Ireland where it's possible to get the real scale needed. Also the handy army barracks nearby means the army reserve lads can get a couple weeks of craic for half nothing like they did in Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan.
Wish they would do same as those films but they prob wont.
Or they are going to create the battle scenes, like they did in Gladiator, with randomly mixing same people over and over again.
gaelic cowboy
04-27-2012, 14:40
Or they are going to create the battle scenes, like they did in Gladiator, with randomly mixing same people over and over again.
I dont think so according to the article I read I think thats what the idea of the night battle is for to begin with, there is no need to mix it at all they can just pretend there is more going on.
Just stick a few fellows wavin burning torches at the edge of the field to simulate more fighting, then focus the camera on the center where 50 lads duke it out in the dark.
Done right it will look good and you wont mind knowing the reality.
They are supposed to do this Battle of Blackwater does it happen at night or evening???
Kagemusha
04-27-2012, 14:44
I dont think so according to the article I read I think thats what the idea of the night battle is for to begin with, there is no need to mix it at all they can just pretend there is more going on.
Just stick a few fellows wavin burning torches at the edge of the field to simulate more fighting, then focus the camera on the center where 50 lads duke it out in the dark.
Done right it will look good and you wont mind knowing the reality.
I guess you are right.Its a shame we cant have similar number of extras like in some 50-60´s epic dramas, these days.
Greyblades
04-27-2012, 14:51
Alas the days of Waterloo's level of 16,000 extras running around are over in this day of computer graphics and budget tv series.
gaelic cowboy
04-27-2012, 14:55
Alas the days of Waterloo's level of 16,000 extras running around are over in this day of computer graphics and budget tv series.
It's not impossible but it is a tv series an not a film they cant spend 3 week filming couple of battalions of army reserve lads simulating D-Day landings in curraghcloe.
They use restricted views and the like to give the impression there is a ton happening round the corner when in reality it's 20 fellows all shouting off camera.
Kagemusha
04-27-2012, 16:57
In my opinion computer graphics can pretty much emulate human movement already.Its only facial expressions that computer created characters cant get quite right.
gaelic cowboy
04-27-2012, 17:04
In my opinion computer graphics can pretty much emulate human movement already.Its only facial expressions that computer created characters cant get quite right.
Yea which means that with some clever shots they probably can get away with only actually havin 50 actors in a field hacking each other.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m30hx3A0QA1r1si4po1_500.jpg
How could I've missed this, they did cut the peach scene! :O
Very funny meme though :P
The episode was very good, really liked Qarth and the scenes at King's Landing...
Pity Bran and Osha have taken Jojen's and Meera's parts; Stannis and Davos are ever improving; didn't like much Loras giving all the blame to Stannis though, as if they had already forgotten about Brienne...
BTW in two weeks the GoT RPG for most consoles and PC is going to be released, saw few previews and looks nice :)
(Conleth Hill "Varys" and James Cosmo "Lord Commander Mormont" are featured in the game ^^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGw0mYm9_cs
Greyblades
04-30-2012, 16:23
New episode and just like the last time the inevitable death hits hard.
I keep forgetting to post this for weeks, but it still tickles me now and then... when watching Game of Thrones with Secura, upon the steampunk cog introduction, she goes "What is the spinny thing hovering over the world?"
I couldn't stop laughing, and gave her a look going "Are you serious?".
[I am going to get into big trouble now, aren't I?]
PanzerJaeger
05-01-2012, 00:54
'Plots and schemes are the same thing...'
Anybody catch that line? It made me :grin:.
Excellent episode. For once no dull moments at all. All the scenes were quite good.
Arya's story is getting better by the day and I'm looking forward to more of her scenes with Tywin Lannister. Did the little girl make him uncomfortable by staring?
In the books Jamie tells a story about how Tywin Lannister ruined a man's evening by just staring at him throughout dinner. And here we have Arya looking at him right in the eyes until he asks her to 'fetch the water'!!
Then there's the Night Watch. Somehow I always thought that the Fist of the First Men was supposed to be in the middle of a forest. Never imagined it to be a cold desert kind of place. Still we'll get to see Ygritte soon. :yes:
And finally for a change I liked the parts with Daenerys in this episode. Emilia Clarke is looking prettier then ever, and more importantly Jorah Mormont is finally set to take a bigger role.
Centuries come and go without a person like that coming into the world. There are times when I look at you and I still can't believe you're real.
I guess someone forgot to tell him you don't lay it on so thick on the first date.
Edit:
It does appear they've done away with the part where they send Myrcella to Dorne altogether. Pity because it was a perfect opportunity to see Joffery get 'impslapped' again.
I keep forgetting to post this for weeks, but it still tickles me now and then... when watching Game of Thrones with Secura, upon the steampunk cog introduction, she goes "What is the spinny thing hovering over the world?"
Hey, I did elaborate saying I knew it was supposed to be the sun, I wanted to know what all the spinning rings around it had to do with anything! :stare:
[I am going to get into big trouble now, aren't I?]
:yes:
Greyblades
05-01-2012, 09:51
So it's basically official that you two are together? Oh dear, now if I peeve off one of you I get the wrath of two mods!
I had no idea that so many Orgahs knew each other in RL.
The Stranger
05-01-2012, 12:27
pics or it didnt happen.
So it's basically official that you two are together? Oh dear, now if I peeve off one of you I get the wrath of two mods!
:no:
Friends only and friends it will stay. :yes:
Greyblades
05-01-2012, 13:06
Er, whoops, I didnt mean to be rude. It's hard enough to read people's relationships even with eye contact. Sorry.
Centurion1
05-01-2012, 16:10
british people..... making awkwardness a national treasure since the inception of empire
Greyblades
05-01-2012, 20:47
What? Where did that come from? I'm Awkward, I know, but it's unfair to call every British person awkward because of it.
johnhughthom
05-01-2012, 21:24
:no:
Friends only and friends it will stay. :yes:
Lies! I know the truth and shall tell all!
:clown:
Keep things on-topic, gents! :bow:
gaelic cowboy
05-02-2012, 13:00
Hey, I did elaborate saying I knew it was supposed to be the sun, I wanted to know what all the spinning rings around it had to do with anything! :stare:
I believe it's a fancy orrery is it not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrery
I believe it's a fancy orrery is it not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrery
That is what I was looking for, I was trying to explain it but the name kept eluding me.
Saying about how it was going into the Steampunk theme of the opening credits, and how it is for astrophysical instruments which are used in the theme based on antiquity (meaning Orrery). Then it went off-topic with Secura asking "What does Steampunk have to do with Game of Thrones?", then I just gave up with my face in my palms. (Answer being, HBO just did it for the Lulz because it looked good.)
So latest episode. It's amazing how they can manage so many 'funny' scenes despite the story being so grim.
We finally see Ned Stark's 'pass the sentence, swing the sword' thing at work. And both beheading scenes were in stark contrast with the one in the first episode of season one. Ned Stark wins the executioner award, hands down.
Scenes full of win were the ones at Kings Landing (seeing Joffery slapped never gets old, and Sandor Clegane playing the hero), Tywin and Arya (she's quickly shaping up to be a new favourite, unlike in the books) and Jon and Ygritte (going to be good for a few laughs as long as Ygritte is alive).
Aside from that, Catelyn throws a monkey wrench just when the King in the North is trying to score, wouldn't have been surprised had Robb gone, "Mommm! Please!".
Hooahguy
05-07-2012, 15:12
Great episode, but the riot scene annoyed me. Would have been better had they been on horses.
Also Ygritte looks exactly how I imagined her to be. Great scene.
Also Theon's scenes were not very good, IMO. Except for when Theon chopped off the head of Ser Rodrik.
Except for when Theon chopped off the head of Ser Rodrik.
I felt that the scene was meant to show how Theon overrates himself. AFAIK they'll be cutting off most of Theon chapters where he meets Ramsey and has his control of Winterfell usurped. So the scene (by what I understood) compared him to Eddard, and how he had executed the deserter in one stroke.
Greyblades
05-07-2012, 15:49
Great episode, but the riot scene annoyed me. Would have been better had they been on horses.
Well having horses there would probably result in a load of broken horse legs and kicked extras.
Hooahguy
05-07-2012, 16:05
I felt that the scene was meant to show how Theon overrates himself. AFAIK they'll be cutting off most of Theon chapters where he meets Ramsey and has his control of Winterfell usurped. So the scene (by what I understood) compared him to Eddard, and how he had executed the deserter in one stroke.
Yeah... I was wondering where Ramsey was.
Well having horses there would probably result in a load of broken horse legs and kicked extras.
But... the realism...
Very enjoyable episode, but I didn't like Roose, he... he raised his voice XD
The Stranger
05-07-2012, 19:55
i cant remember that Dany lost her dragons...? is that just me or?
i cant remember that Dany lost her dragons...? is that just me or?
Nope she doesn't lose them in the books. Guess this is just a ruse to get her into the House of the Undying.
Nope she doesn't lose them in the books. Guess this is just a ruse to get her into the House of the Undying.
Kind of annoying, that. Now she's going to go in there thinking, "I'm going to kill these stupid mages" instead of "I'm going to get help from these stupid mages and then be surprised when it turns out they want to kill me".
I don't like Theon's scenes, but I think that's sort of the point. They do a good job portraying him as a character who you might feel sympathy for if he wasn't constantly being a total jerk. Also annoyed that they never introduced Jojen and Meera, but I guess they ran out of aspiring child actors or something.
I thought with the episode, the second series finally settled down to a "normal" pace. Most of the preceding episodes suffered a little from trying to tell a bit too much, a bit too fast - resulting in rapid changes of scene and characters that were jarring and potentially disorienting. But tonight's seemed happy to take it's time, to stay at one place for 10-15 minutes and was all the stronger for it.
Crazed Rabbit
05-08-2012, 06:00
Kind of annoying, that. Now she's going to go in there thinking, "I'm going to kill these stupid mages" instead of "I'm going to get help from these stupid mages and then be surprised when it turns out they want to kill me".
I don't like Theon's scenes, but I think that's sort of the point. They do a good job portraying him as a character who you might feel sympathy for if he wasn't constantly being a total jerk. Also annoyed that they never introduced Jojen and Meera, but I guess they ran out of aspiring child actors or something.
I didn't like the dragon stealing change, didn't think it necessary. And I thought Jojen and Meera hadn't joined them yet.
CR
And I thought Jojen and Meera hadn't joined them yet.
They did already when Bran started to act as Lord of Winterfell...
The Freys also joined the court at that time...
In the last episode, Bran, Hodor, Osha, Rickon, Summer and Shaggydog already escaped; so either they will meet them along the road in season 3-4 or most likely that's the new party going beyond the Wall...
I didn't like the dragon stealing change, didn't think it necessary. And I thought Jojen and Meera hadn't joined them yet.
CR
Not only that... They killed off Irri... which to my knowledge is still alive in the books? They just decided to ..:daisy: the books.. this takes too long.
Hooahguy
05-09-2012, 13:54
Not only that... They killed off Irri... which to my knowledge is still alive in the books? They just decided to ..:daisy: the books.. this takes too long.
It could have been other things. Maybe her contract is up or something. Or maybe she isnt really dead, just injured?
It could have been other things. Maybe her contract is up or something. Or maybe she isnt really dead, just injured?
Nah, she was played by a Norwegian actress who confirmed that they just killed her character. "Sorry, we killed you" ...
I'm not too opposed to the changes they've made from the books. The fact is that there are way, way too many characters in the books to put them all into the television show. The show is already jam packed with so many major characters that it would be hard for people to keep track of them if they hadn't read the books. Could you imagine trying to develop three times as many as we've already seen? It just wouldn't work. So, they've got to strip out some characters for expediency, which also means stripping out some storylines. The important thing, to me, is that they keep the overall developmental purpose of the characters intact. In this sense, I think they've succeeded with almost every change they have made. Despite the changes they have made, the story still feels correct and the characters all seem to act the way they should. That indicates to me that the alterations have been handled wisely. The only exception is the theft of the dragons, which I don't quite see the point of and which could have character development implications for Dany that don't mesh well with the book. However, we haven't seen how it's resolved yet, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until next week.
I'm just waiting to see if they cut off Rhaegar and Ellia's cameo in House of the Undying.
That bit is one of the two times 'song of ice and fire' is actually mentioned in the books. Very important IMO.
Tywin and Arya, Jon and Ygritte. Going to be the most memorable pairs this season I'll wager. And it's almost sad to Robb and Jeyne, knowing how their story ends.
Also they've changed the Quarth storyline quite a bit, can't wait to see where Barristan Selmy makes his entry.
Also they seem to be going out of their way to make Cersei look like a tragic figure (or atleast less evil then she's portrayed in the books), and I cannot fathom why. If they keep doing this it'll get confusing very soon, as to which side is really the 'evil' side.
Oh come on, she's not evil...
The love of her life whispered the name of a corpse on the night of their wedding: pretty messed up :P
She's just overprotecting and quite spoiled...
Greyblades
05-14-2012, 11:24
Tywin and Arya, Jon and Ygritte. Going to be the most memorable pairs this season I'll wager. And it's almost sad to Robb and Jeyne, knowing how their story ends.
Also they've changed the Quarth storyline quite a bit, can't wait to see where Barristan Selmy makes his entry.
Also they seem to be going out of their way to make Cersei look like a tragic figure (or atleast less evil then she's portrayed in the books), and I cannot fathom why. If they keep doing this it'll get confusing very soon, as to which side is really the 'evil' side.
...Wasn't that the point? That the only truely evil Lannister is Joffrey and the rest are deeper than that.
Generally speaking, protecting the bad guy makes you bad, even if you're good. Makes one fall under this trope (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiVillain).
And OK, maybe evil is a strong word. Joffery is evil, but even the other Lannisters are bad to some degree, Cersei being the worst. She gets people bumped off, allows people to be horribly tortured and what not, just to advance herself. Sometimes it's not even for a specific reason. I seem to recall the books mention some woman she just gave to Qyburn because she happened to come to her after some tragedy. Can't remember exactly.
Greyblades
05-14-2012, 12:52
Generally speaking, protecting the bad guy makes you bad, even if you're good. Makes one fall under this trope (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiVillain).
And OK, maybe evil is a strong word. Joffery is evil, but even the other Lannisters are bad to some degree, Cersei being the worst. She gets people bumped off, allows people to be horribly tortured and what not, just to advance herself. Sometimes it's not even for a specific reason. I seem to recall the books mention some woman she just gave to Qyburn because she happened to come to her after some tragedy. Can't remember exactly.
Meh, a villian without some contrast to them are boring, only the psychos dont need some measure of redeeming features to seem interesting, and cercie's not exactly the raving mad sort.
Hooahguy
05-14-2012, 13:54
The Tywin and Arya scenes are so far my favorite of the season.
And Ygritte finally said the words!
Tywin and Arya, Jon and Ygritte. Going to be the most memorable pairs this season I'll wager.
I agree - they are fantastic; largely due to the skill of the actors/actresses but moving Tywin to be with Arya was a rather inspired directorial decision.
Also they seem to be going out of their way to make Cersei look like a tragic figure (or atleast less evil then she's portrayed in the books), and I cannot fathom why. If they keep doing this it'll get confusing very soon, as to which side is really the 'evil' side.
I much prefer TV Cersei to book Cersei. In the book, she just seems a rather stupid and utterly villanous Cruella de Ville kind of figure. But the TV actress presents a more emotionally deep and thoughtful character, even if still shown [repeatedly by Tyrion inter alia] to be wrong headed and bad.
By contrast, Jamie's escape seemed to paint him blacker than in the books - I don't recall his rather ruthless use of his fan club.
rickinator9
05-15-2012, 01:40
I am looking forward to the moment Tywin realizes he has a Stark as his cupbearer. He must be becoming suspicious, now that Arya's lying is speaking against itself.
Also they've changed the Qarth storyline quite a bit, can't wait to see where Barristan Selmy makes his entry.
I'm kinda glad they changed it, found most of the Daenarys portions of A Clash of Kings to be boring and couldn't wait to read through them. Unfortunately, this dislike has carried into the TV show, as I find her constant "I WANT MY DRAGONS!" and "I WILL CLAIM WHAT IS MINE THROUGH FIRE AND BLOOD" to be rather tiresome. I'm hoping the House of the Undying scenes are markedly more interesting.
I am looking forward to the moment Tywin realizes he has a Stark as his cupbearer. He must be becoming suspicious, now that Arya's lying is speaking against itself.
Tywin and Arya's scenes are fantastic, really fleshing out both characters in a manner not entirely shown in the books, at least as early as this; Tywin is shown to be incredibly astute and intuitive (detecting that Arya was a girl straight away, figuring that she's a Northerner and that she's only pretending to be a peasant), while Arya appears to be more intelligent and resourceful than her novel counterpart (just look at the Jaqen kills, The Tickler and Ser Amory make far more sense than Chiswyck and Weese, choices she laments as wasteful in the novel).
What else was there? Theon's scenes were good, though I think they made the wrong choice in omitting Ramsay, who I think needs to be established as soon as possible for us to see how Theon's treachery and tyranny pale in comparison to the ruthless bastard of Bolton. Jaime's attempted escape was good, another alternative perspective of his character; he's broken so many vows, what's killing a distant relative going to do? The Jon/Ygritte dynamic was excellent, though the outcome wasn't so, hope we don't miss out on a fight with Halfhand. I recall some dialogue between Cersei and Tyrion about Joff and the Targaryen heritage, but I'll have to watch again to get a better idea of what was discussed.
Overall, I like the direction they're taking things and can't wait to catch next week's episode.
The Stranger
05-15-2012, 13:18
Ygritte so preettttyyyy
and cercei was actually likable for a while :P but whyyyy so open about her and jaime :S
Hooahguy
05-15-2012, 19:28
as I find her constant "I WANT MY DRAGONS!" and "I WILL CLAIM WHAT IS MINE THROUGH FIRE AND BLOOD" to be rather tiresome.
Can you blame her? Her only source of power is those dragons. Without them, she is nothing.
Can you blame her? Her only source of power is those dragons. Without them, she is nothing.
That is a point but in the books she has an almost motherly affection for them. Emilia Clarke though has still to get out of her angry-little-princess act. IMO her portrayal of Daenerys needs a little more.....maturity....
Maybe if she stuck out her neck a little less while shouting.....
That is a point but in the books she has an almost motherly affection for them. Emilia Clarke though has still to get out of her angry-little-princess act. IMO her portrayal of Daenerys needs a little more.....maturity....
Maybe if she stuck out her neck a little less while shouting.....
I agree, I liked her a lot in the first season but now she's just downright irritating.
I keep thinking she needs to tone it down a bit, because otherwise there's no reason why anyone she talks to in Qarth wouldn't just stab her in the face to shut her up. The leader of the 13 sums it up nicely in the show - she's got three cat-sized dragons, less than a hundred starving Dothraki, most of which are women, and Ser Jorah, who isn't with her half the time. If Xaro didn't want to marry her, literally nothing would stop her from getting killed with that attitude.
I liked the rest of the episode - also agree that they need to bring in Ramsey and the Qhorin fight otherwise there's a real departure. IMO no reason to bring in Qhorin at all if Jon isn't going to fight him.
Can you blame her? Her only source of power is those dragons. Without them, she is nothing.
I recognise this fact, but the novels portray Daenarys to be a strong female protagonist, wise and mature beyond her fourteen years, yet Clarke's portrayal seems petulent and out-of-touch; I wouldn't say she's quite as volatile as Viserys, but there's certainly an inkling of the Targaryen heritage there.
That is a point but in the books she has an almost motherly affection for them.
I agree; the TV series portrays a child who has lost her toys rather than a mother who has lost her children.
I liked the rest of the episode - also agree that they need to bring in Ramsey and the Qhorin fight otherwise there's a real departure. IMO no reason to bring in Qhorin at all if Jon isn't going to fight him.
I think there's scope to continue the story without Ramsay Bolton, but it would be a wasted opportunity if that's the path they took; there's so much potential in comparing Theon's brief reign over Winterfell to Ramsay's tyranny in the North, particularly since we've already seen similar contrasts before in Jon/Theon preparing to execute someone (a noble man trying to uphold his oath to protect the realm contrasted against one trying to enforce his rule upon it, both continuing the lesson they learn from Ned in the pilot, both uncomfortable with the task ahead of them) and Brienne/Margaery reacting to Renly's death (an unattractive, physically strong woman who genuinely loved the deceased but could never have him, compared to a beautiful, strong-willed woman who married him for political reasons but could not truly 'have him' either).
As for Qhorin, I can't see them skipping the fight. After all the advice he's imparted on Jon and everything that he stands for, the fight would be a culmination of events that would finally provide the audience with real perspective on the lengths that the Night's Watch will go to in order to uphold their oath, something we've only seen touched on in the Craster scenes.
atheotes
05-16-2012, 11:41
Like some have mentioned, i too am finding Clarke's portrayal a little immature and not the calmer version portrayed in the book.
And i did not like the actor portraying Roose Bolton. Way too loud and not creepy enough.
The way the stories and characters are developing, i think i need to stop comparing and just enjoy it as something different from the books.
I really need to make a habit of typing long posts in the Notepad and then copy-pasting them. Hate it when page does not load and lose everything I wrote.
Anyhow, things are finally gearing up for the end of the season finale. It was a return to form for Tyrion. Finally some more full-of-win scenes. The threat he delivered was perhaps his best line all season.
And Rob and Jeyene. Their scenes seem so out of place amidst the death and misery, and yet somehow they work, a simple budding romance untouched by the events around them. Tragic how it ends, I know I'll feel sad, despite knowing what's coming.
Qarth story is progressing too slowly. I wonder if they even plan to re-introduce Barristan Selmy this season. Also they need to give Jorah Mormont more screen time.
Edit:
Bronn's line wins the irony award. "I like to keep my hands clean"
I miss the Greatjon: Karstark invoking the Father was the most un-Northman thing ever and Roose is completely out of character and doesn't scare anyone...
Qarth's changes I think were done just to dilute the arc throughout the whole season (it will just get back to normal), but everything else was pretty good: Cersei and Tyrion, Varys, Brienne & Jaime etc, all very close to the books :)
Hooahguy
05-21-2012, 14:36
Good episode, really enjoyed Tyrion's scenes, as said before.
The Stranger
05-21-2012, 21:36
i want more ygritte
I miss the Greatjon: Karstark invoking the Father was the most un-Northman thing ever and Roose is completely out of character and doesn't scare anyone...
Qarth's changes I think were done just to dilute the arc throughout the whole season (it will just get back to normal), but everything else was pretty good: Cersei and Tyrion, Varys, Brienne & Jaime etc, all very close to the books :)
Odd that they did the Brienne and Jaime bit early (also odd that they killed off Cleos Frey, too). That actually doesn't happen until the beginning of Storm of Swords.
Once again, I started reading the beginning of the next book before the TV season was over, and somehow miraculously avoided spoilers in the show that way, without meaning to. Though there's no way to avoid spoiling Jeyne Westerling, unfortunately..
Read the first four, so far ignoring the last book. It was interesting at first that he was killing off my favorite characters, but he killed all of em so meh. The world is rather engrossing and the added intrigue was cool, and the dragongirl and the creatures from beyond the wall were cool and suspensefull. But for me it just all became a matter of too many main characters dead, too much slaughter and the fourth book was just kind of dull. While its tempting to see how he resolves things I dont care :( .
Greyblades
05-28-2012, 09:03
Battle of the blackwater.
"COME WITH ME AND TAKE THIS CITY!"
All I have to say about it really.
Awesome.
Edit: I just finished watching it, I think I just saw Tywin smile.
Battle of the blackwater.
"COME WITH ME AND TAKE THIS CITY!"
All I have to say about it really.
Awesome.
Edit: I just finished watching it, I think I just saw Tywin smile.
Not enough horses, in my opinion, but such are the woes of HBO's budget.
Otherwise, mostly faithful to the book but no mention of the giant chain, either. I feel like that's kind of important to emphasize Tyrion's flair for strategy, beyond just "let's engulf them in an explosion of green fire".
The Rains of Castamere in the brothel and the credits was a nice touch, though.
Kagemusha
05-28-2012, 15:30
This episode was magical.Loved every bit of it, while it was somehow different from the books. The few last minutes with Cersei telling his boy a story while preparing for suicide,until interrupted by first Loras Tyrrell and then by Tywin marching in, followed by the end song, was just captivating.
Stannis the one-man army.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that Lord of Castamere...
Epic episode!
Greyblades
05-28-2012, 16:52
A small complaint; where were the knights? I dunno but I dont think I saw any stormland troops who were wearing full plate or any identifyable livery beyond stannis.
A small complaint; where were the knights?
The big green boom, was literally cash exploding, not wildfire ^^
Excellent episode. It was fun to watch drunk Cersei. And it's always fun to watch Joffery and Tyrion....Jack Gleeson will forever be Joffery Baratheon now, just as Daniel Radcliffe will be Harry Potter.
And the scene with Hound and Sansa was done very well. Full of irony, the only man kind to a girl who firmly believed in fairy tales is the one who seems most hateful.
My only gripe is that it seemed a bit excessive to devote an entire episode to the battle. All the important plot points could've been covered in twenty minutes tops. Considering how many characters they are chopping off entirely, an entire episode (no matter how awesome it was) for the battle was a bit...unfair.
Hooahguy
05-29-2012, 14:27
Fantastic episode!
What I loved: Cersei's scenes, Tyrion, Davos, and the Hound.
What I didnt like: lack of the chain, and Stannis being a one man army.
Wishing I hadn't read about what happens in the book at "The Red Wedding" ~:mecry:
Anyone started to look into the gossip of Season 3?
It has been confirmed that this guy will be joining the cast:
5704
Now he is the Norwegian actor Kristofer Hivju and was last seen in the remake of The Thing.
The Blackfish?
Tormund Giantsbane?
Vladimir
06-01-2012, 14:38
Oh dear Lord! Keep that man away from sunlight at all costs.
Anyone started to look into the gossip of Season 3?
It has been confirmed that this guy will be joining the cast:
5704
Now he is the Norwegian actor Kristofer Hivju and was last seen in the remake of The Thing.
The Blackfish?
Tormund Giantsbane?
I checked out the article on IGN and it listed a list of characters who were confirmed to appear in season 3. It included the Reeds, Edmure Tully, Blackfish, Mance Rayder, Tormund, Beric Dondarrion and some more.
The man in the picture actually looks exactly like I've always imagined Tormund would appear. Maybe a little chubbier in the cheeks but otherwise he's spot on. :yes:
Kagemusha
06-01-2012, 16:59
One has to wonder who are they casting as Mace Tyrell?While not confirmed.I dont think there is any doubt about him appearing.
johnhughthom
06-01-2012, 17:15
You will always be Mace to me, Kage. :laugh4:
Greyblades
06-01-2012, 17:36
I miss that game.
I miss that game.
Ditto.
Who knows, third time lucky.....maybe this time like three or four people can get together to be hosts.
As an incentive, I'm sure Org Admins can create a GoT-Game Host Award for all of them. ~D
Kagemusha
06-01-2012, 18:04
@johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=26454) , Lol! Not sure if thats a compliment or what, but thanks anyway! :on_2thumbs:
@rajpoot (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=27094) , i have a large game slot open at gameroom and i have been planning something for quite a while.:on_harhar:
Greyblades
06-01-2012, 19:22
Did anyone find out who sent the faceless man to kill renly?
Both games were awesome!
They made me love the serie and buy the books ^^
The Stranger
06-01-2012, 22:28
nope didnt find out :S
man too bad those games never finished. i was going to win both XD
(with my brothers in arms Arjos and Jarema ofcourse :D)
johnhughthom
06-01-2012, 22:28
Both games were awesome!
They made me love the serie and buy the books ^^
~:)
The Stranger
06-01-2012, 22:30
@johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=26454) , Lol! Not sure if thats a compliment or what, but thanks anyway! :on_2thumbs:
@rajpoot (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=27094) , i have a large game slot open at gameroom and i have been planning something for quite a while.:on_harhar:
where is that game? :O i want to play :O
johnhughthom
06-01-2012, 22:58
@johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=26454) , Lol! Not sure if thats a compliment or what, but thanks anyway! :on_2thumbs:
It was intended as a compliment. :yes:
The enthusiasm of yourself and most of the other players really was something to behold in those games, pity my skin wasn't thick enough to cope with it! :laugh4:
Kagemusha
06-02-2012, 19:10
johnhughthom , :bow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn2l2_v6Ur8&feature=related
Ibn-Khaldun
06-02-2012, 19:42
I like that song..
Greyblades
06-02-2012, 22:44
I will never be as awesome as Tywin, but I'd like to think my efforts in the two games was worthy of the Lord of Lannister.
Dang, now that I look at it I'm a bit of a arrogant git, arent I?
Nice...
Tomorrow is the final.
Here is a version of the main theme which I think is a tribute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yydcG9woWA
So season finale.
Kind of a disappointment. Didn't really live up to the mark set by series.
I mean it was fun seeing Varys in the brothel and Ygritte smacking Jon Snow with the sword, but still....no moments of 'win'.
Plus they're changing too much. I did not like how they portrayed Stannis, making him look a little too....fanatical. And Littlefiger talking with Sansa directly....too much.
And they cut out Rhaegar and Elia entirely. I mean in the books, the stuff Daenerys sees in the rooms is supposed to be foreshadowing. None of that here (unless you count the frozen throne-room as an indication of the things to come if the Others win...perhaps...).
The only bits I liked were the ones with Maester Luwin, the ending (really makes one see the series from another perspective) and Arya and Jaqen.
Edit:
What is the dead horse chewing?
Iirc in the books it was chewing its own intestine or something...
Anyway the episode wasn't that bad, did feel that they stuffed too many events in one hour though...
Must have skipped things like Rhaegar, because they never introduced an actor for the part etc...
And get ready for Sam the Slayer! XD
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-05-2012, 02:50
I feel like this whole season, except maybe for Blackwater, was stuffing too many events into too short a time.
Hooahguy
06-05-2012, 03:11
I feel like this whole season, except maybe for Blackwater, was stuffing too many events into too short a time.
Agreed. Thats probably why they are splitting up ASoS into two parts, as I hear.
On the finale, I thought it was great, though I didnt like Dany's scene. The House of the Undying could have been better. Though the dragonfire was awesome.
And when I saw the Others and we got a close up shot, I got chills.
Kagemusha
06-06-2012, 13:42
I agree that the books are too big to be crammed in single season. About the sets.Is it just me or was Iceland a mistake as shooting location. The tundra is not really how the beyond of the wall i imagined. As far as i understand the Nightwatch should have been at forest. Also Northern arctic forest at least to me can be used as lot more menacing surrounding then tundra, like for example it was used at ep 1 of season 1.
I liked Iceland, iirc they were at the Frostfangs, never imagined that area as a forest...
Earlier in the season while at Craster's they were surrounded by trees and that was ok...
So....they're selling the Iron throne (http://store.hbo.com/game-of-thrones-life-size-replica-iron-throne/detail.php?p=373634&v=hbo_shows_game-of-thrones&ecid=SMM-HBO-00396&pa=SMM-HBO-00396) apparently.
Times like this I wish the Rupee to Dollar conversion rate was better.
This made me feel better, can't say why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yca1HbizssY
This made me feel better, can't say why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yca1HbizssY
He says that a lot. :laugh3:
Edit:
2x speed with VLC player for an entirely different experience.
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